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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:03 am
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1. When did Megatron learn English?

Megatrons first encounter with english was when Witwitky activated him in antarctica, later it's described that he is aware somewhat of his surroundings at a subconscious level at the Hoover dam area and could have learned english from there.

--- No, witwicky did not activate him, the flat out said that he activated his guidance systems. Yeah, and witwicky didn't teach him the entire english language in those two seconds.

2. If he hates humans so much, why is he speaking English to other
Cybertronians to begin with?

I guess you missed the Cybertronian language / symbols appearing first then translated into english !


---- No, I didn't miss it...that's just NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'm talking about Megatron, speaking in English to Prime. Why? Why would he? He doesn't need to. Why would he speak in English to Starscream for that matter either?

3. If the Autobots and the Decepticons can travel through space without the need of another ship (way to shoot yourself in the foot on this one Bay) and space is a hell of a lot colder than the arctic, then why was Megatron "frozen" in a warmer climate than one he functions perfectly fine in?

In the original script for the movie the "Ark" was written into the script but it was cut due to budget concerns. Space is also just as hot as hell can be and even our own astronauts face temperature variances in either direction.

---- I could have sworn it was cut because Michael Bay said "Why do robots that turn into vehicles need other vehicles to travel in?"

Also, the fact that they can survive in space where the temperatures vary to both extremes (thanks for pointing that out for me) just adds credit to my case AGAINST the slightly cool temperatures used to freeze BB and Megs.

Although I will concede that BB let himself be taken prisoner to avoid a confrontation.

4. If Megs was disabled since he crashed on earth so long ago...then how does he even know what humans are?

Humans were around on earth a lot longer than 10 thousand years ago, he could have detected them before crashing.

---- grasping for straws much? It's just bad writing.

5. Why was Prime "running" from Sector 7? Would Transforming and driving off be a little less obvious?

A complete non issue! However, maybe walking out of the area would have been easier than driving out ?

----- Easier? As in "It's much easier to get away from these people and hide as a giant robot stomping around the pace rather than as the cab of a semi" .......right.

6. I just can't believe that even Frenzy is so poorly constructed that a girl with an old rusty saw could cut his head off. That seems silly, and the saw looked electric at that.

He's a six foot tall turkey at best if not shorter than that so he's agile but not some thick necked robot that would take the entire autobot force to defeat. Even Spike in the G1 cartoon took him on.

---- But this isn't the cartoon, and 1 little girl with a rusty old saw does not = an entire autobot force. Plus, bullets were bouncing off of him later on in the hoover damn...so..yeah.

7. Speaking of silly, BB peeing on John Tuturro. That was really fucking stupid. That whole scene with him having to undress was totally insipid.

Since he told her in the car that "criminals are HOT" and blabbing about her fathers criminal record as well as her own then maybe she just wanted to humiliate him like he had done to her

-----Using another horrible scene to validate this horrible scene doesn't work. Both should have been cut.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:23 pm
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Orochi_Rockman wrote:
1. When did Megatron learn English?

Megatrons first encounter with english was when Witwitky activated him in antarctica, later it's described that he is aware somewhat of his surroundings at a subconscious level at the Hoover dam area and could have learned english from there.

--- No, witwicky did not activate him, the flat out said that he activated his guidance systems. Yeah, and witwicky didn't teach him the entire english language in those two seconds.

2. If he hates humans so much, why is he speaking English to other
Cybertronians to begin with?

I guess you missed the Cybertronian language / symbols appearing first then translated into english !


---- No, I didn't miss it...that's just NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'm talking about Megatron, speaking in English to Prime. Why? Why would he? He doesn't need to. Why would he speak in English to Starscream for that matter either?

3. If the Autobots and the Decepticons can travel through space without the need of another ship (way to shoot yourself in the foot on this one Bay) and space is a hell of a lot colder than the arctic, then why was Megatron "frozen" in a warmer climate than one he functions perfectly fine in?

In the original script for the movie the "Ark" was written into the script but it was cut due to budget concerns. Space is also just as hot as hell can be and even our own astronauts face temperature variances in either direction.

---- I could have sworn it was cut because Michael Bay said "Why do robots that turn into vehicles need other vehicles to travel in?"

Also, the fact that they can survive in space where the temperatures vary to both extremes (thanks for pointing that out for me) just adds credit to my case AGAINST the slightly cool temperatures used to freeze BB and Megs.

Although I will concede that BB let himself be taken prisoner to avoid a confrontation.

4. If Megs was disabled since he crashed on earth so long ago...then how does he even know what humans are?

Humans were around on earth a lot longer than 10 thousand years ago, he could have detected them before crashing.

---- grasping for straws much? It's just bad writing.

5. Why was Prime "running" from Sector 7? Would Transforming and driving off be a little less obvious?

A complete non issue! However, maybe walking out of the area would have been easier than driving out ?

----- Easier? As in "It's much easier to get away from these people and hide as a giant robot stomping around the pace rather than as the cab of a semi" .......right.

6. I just can't believe that even Frenzy is so poorly constructed that a girl with an old rusty saw could cut his head off. That seems silly, and the saw looked electric at that.

He's a six foot tall turkey at best if not shorter than that so he's agile but not some thick necked robot that would take the entire autobot force to defeat. Even Spike in the G1 cartoon took him on.

---- But this isn't the cartoon, and 1 little girl with a rusty old saw does not = an entire autobot force. Plus, bullets were bouncing off of him later on in the hoover damn...so..yeah.

7. Speaking of silly, BB peeing on John Tuturro. That was really fucking stupid. That whole scene with him having to undress was totally insipid.

Since he told her in the car that "criminals are HOT" and blabbing about her fathers criminal record as well as her own then maybe she just wanted to humiliate him like he had done to her

-----Using another horrible scene to validate this horrible scene doesn't work. Both should have been cut.


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From what I gained from the comics, it seems Megatron was forced into stasis lock. Megatron used what little energy he had left for his heat shields and landing on Earth. His dangerously low energy levels combined with the sudden shock of freezing tempuratures after encountering the head from reenter, could acount for this.

but then why was Bumblebee affected by the same cryotech when he seemed at the top of his game? Maybe Transformers are more subceptable to cold in bot mode. Or maybe it is the Ice itself that jams there joints making them inoperable. although we have to think about how they protected themselves from ice in space as we can clearly see ice break of them as they enter Earths atomsphere.

But how did Megatron gain power and learn english? and why did he speak English?

Well we have to remember he was very close to the Allspark so it is no jump in imagination that he could have powered himself up over the years and became aware of his surroundings. this could have accounted for knowledge. Also after spending all that time being called nbe1 there is no wonder why he was so eager to correct the pitiful meat sacks upon his newly required freedom. but why English? Maybe Transformers have no pride of language and will comunicate in a way that the beings around them will understand. after all only crazy people and illegal aliens want to talk to themselves.

3. we are unsure if the transformers did not leave a craft in orbit somewhere in our Solar system or not.

5. Optimus is more agile in robot mode. don't believe me? Play the shitty game.

6. Frenzy's armer may not be all that, but he seems to have a better repair system than most bots. In fact I would not be surprised if he survied his little mishap.

7. I agree with you on this point but not the the extent that you feel about it.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:09 am
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Still doesn't explain why Megatron would be speaking English to other Cybetronians when he hates humans so much. (Assuming he was conscious on some level all those years and knowledgeable of his surroundings)

I can't buy it. It's just really poor writing.

And it's not about Prime being agile it's about Prime being a fucking "Robot In Disguise".


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:19 pm
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Orochi_Rockman wrote:
Still doesn't explain why Megatron would be speaking English to other Cybetronians when he hates humans so much. (Assuming he was conscious on some level all those years and knowledgeable of his surroundings)

I can't buy it. It's just really poor writing.

And it's not about Prime being agile it's about Prime being a fucking "Robot In Disguise".


Prime was already spotted by Sector 7 so what would be the point in transforming ? Unless he found an alternate form to change into.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:30 pm
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Galvatron wrote:
Orochi_Rockman wrote:
Still doesn't explain why Megatron would be speaking English to other Cybetronians when he hates humans so much. (Assuming he was conscious on some level all those years and knowledgeable of his surroundings)

I can't buy it. It's just really poor writing.

And it's not about Prime being agile it's about Prime being a fucking "Robot In Disguise".


Prime was already spotted by Sector 7 so what would be the point in transforming ? Unless he found an alternate form to change into.


To.....disguise himself? I seriously doubt that at first glimpse in the middle of the night by sector 7 they automatically knew "Oh that's a giant robot, and it turns into a peterbilt semi cab"

geez.. duck around a corner transform. Makes so much more sense.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:33 pm
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Orochi_Rockman wrote:
Galvatron wrote:
Orochi_Rockman wrote:
Still doesn't explain why Megatron would be speaking English to other Cybetronians when he hates humans so much. (Assuming he was conscious on some level all those years and knowledgeable of his surroundings)

I can't buy it. It's just really poor writing.

And it's not about Prime being agile it's about Prime being a fucking "Robot In Disguise".


Prime was already spotted by Sector 7 so what would be the point in transforming ? Unless he found an alternate form to change into.


To.....disguise himself? I seriously doubt that at first glimpse in the middle of the night by sector 7 they automatically knew "Oh that's a giant robot, and it turns into a peterbilt semi cab"

geez.. duck around a corner transform. Makes so much more sense.



Makes no sense to me as I said they already spotted him and Sector 7 couldn't follow a semi truck in a helicopter ?...right!
This little issue is such "Comic shop guy" nit picking it isn't even funny.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:41 pm
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That's right. Resort to barbs. They're all you've got.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:44 pm
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Okay, was I the only one who didn't expect brilliant writing from the guys who gave us Mission Impossible 3?



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:50 pm
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I wasn't expecting brilliant, I was expecting competent.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:55 pm
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Galvatron wrote:
Orochi_Rockman wrote:
Galvatron wrote:
Orochi_Rockman wrote:
Still doesn't explain why Megatron would be speaking English to other Cybetronians when he hates humans so much. (Assuming he was conscious on some level all those years and knowledgeable of his surroundings)

I can't buy it. It's just really poor writing.

And it's not about Prime being agile it's about Prime being a fucking "Robot In Disguise".


Prime was already spotted by Sector 7 so what would be the point in transforming ? Unless he found an alternate form to change into.


To.....disguise himself? I seriously doubt that at first glimpse in the middle of the night by sector 7 they automatically knew "Oh that's a giant robot, and it turns into a peterbilt semi cab"

geez.. duck around a corner transform. Makes so much more sense.



Makes no sense to me as I said they already spotted him and Sector 7 couldn't follow a semi truck in a helicopter ?...right!
This little issue is such "Comic shop guy" nit picking it isn't even funny.
:roll:


It may be a small issue, but it's just another one on the pile. The pile that is this failure of this script.

And by the way, Prime did get away, so if they can't follow a giant stomping robot you think following a semi would be....easier?


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