here's more plotholes

1. the Witwicky glasses.
Megatron's navigational system was accidentally activated by Sam Witwicky's grandfather in the arctic, which imprinted the coordinates on the glasses at that moment (1897 or w/e).

When Optimus Prime projected the 3D map through the glasses, the location displayed was in Hover Dam (Prime said it was near them).

How did coordinate imprints on the glasses modify itself to include information from 30 years later?

2. the Witwicky connection
Decepticon hacked through government data to find out about the Witwicky's encounter with Megatron in the arctic. They then did a search to find out about the glasses.

So how did the Autobots find out about the whole thing?

Bumblebee already knew about Witwicky since the very beginning of the film, He went to the car dealership to wait for Sam Witwicky and purposely approached him.
Not only that, when Barricade finally found out about the glasses and went looking for Sam, Bumblebee magically figured out the Decepticon move again. Is he psychic?

How did the Autobots know about Megatron and Witwicky grandfather's encounter is a mystery all by itself. When Prime first landed on earth, he was already showing Sam the holograph of Witwicky's grandpa standing in Megatron's hand. WTF?

there were plenty misinterpreted military information in the film too. just like all other michael bay movies. "high heat sabot" LOL. Magnesium at 7000 degrees from Sabot? Almost could be considered retarded...

Does Michael Bay even know what a Sabot is?

I just ignore these stuff when watching his movies, but so disappointing considering what they could of done with better understanding of simple physics.
Imagine a tracing shot of an APFSDS round fired from a rifled barrel (british still uses rifled 120mm), discarding its slip ring and the sabot, then stabilized from yaw with its fins and no rotation at high speed, then hits some armor and melts through... it would make all those bullet tracing camera shots look like crap!

The Hoover Dam was built around The Cube, they didn't move it, they moved Megatron/NBE1. Prime's words were: "The code on these glasses indicates the Allspark is 230 miles from HERE" No mention of Hoover Dam. The 'Bots were at the Griffith Observatory, presumably 230 miles away.

Previous supplemental stuff (Comics/ prequels) indicate that Bumblebee was already on similar reconnaisance, in the same way the Decepts were. (i.e. ebay, secret files, etc.) But the movie alone, doesn't address this, I would assume its left to the viewer to put that one together.

I agree that a little fact checking would do a body good. But when you've got these military machines on the clock at about roughly $25k per hour, correct ballistics terminology would probably be the last thing on my mind.

So you're saying the Cube was at the Hoover Dam site when Megatron crash landed in the arctics? And he had the location information before he departed for earth?

Then how come the other Decepticons who left whereever they came from AFTER Megatron had to go through all the trouble to find out where the Cube is?



still doesn't explain how Bumblebee was able to anticipate every Decepticon move.

He went to call for the other Autobots AFTER Decepticon's spying break through. And what about him knowing Barricade was coming for Sam? Looked totally like a reaction instead of coincident.



The way I look at it, Michael Bay just doesn't have or ignores advisers. No one is saying a film director should have good understanding in physics and engineering concepts, but there were way too many mistakes he could of easily avoided. In many instances, he went out of his way to create stuff that make no sense. The tank for example, adding another turret on top and getting rid of all the sights and sensors... Even if we use our imagination to fool ourselves from all these illogical nonsense, bottomline is, how was that stupid tank better looking than say an Abram or Leopard2? It looked tall, light and totally lacks the masculine feel a tank should have. Renting a M1 would of looked so much better.

Don't tell me he couldn't of rented a M1 for few hours, he got those MV-22 and F-22s... Speaking of which, my favorite part of this movie was when the Spectre gunship pounded the crap out of that scorpion with 105s, although most of those were probably medium arm shots like 25mm, 30mm and 40mm. Still, wished there was more of that sort...

Yes, the charater named Banachek explains this, and how they used the Hoover Dam as a disguise. Megatron locates it, but upon orbit falls in the arctic, and is shit out of luck once he falls through the ice, until the late 1800's/early 1900's. And later when he's moved close to The Cube in the 1930's.

They were as clueless as the Autobots as to Megs' whereabouts, he just bounced without notice. He presumably was very single-minded and didn't inform his subordinates. It wasn't until Frenzy infiltrated via Mikaela's cellphone that he tipped the rest of the Decept. Squad to the Cube and Megs.

like I said, this one takes liberties with letting the audience put it together. And also why maybe the prequel stuff saw it fit to explain that BB was already on the case (searching the WWW for info/leads). He called the Autobots once he found LadiesMan217. Plus, you would assume that if two factions are looking for the same thing, you would anticipate the other team's moves, and react accordingly.

There is no disagreement from me on this one. However, I'm willing to bet that for every one person that noticed those smaller details, there were probably 50-100 that didn't, maybe even more. Just like when they mistakenly I.D. BB's engine when Mikaela pops the hood. I'm a car guy and saw that a mile away, but it doesn't phase me, because the bigger picture far outwieghs those little details, that will seem inconsequential to most. Hope the last part made sense.

Y'know honestly..I know there are holes, I'm just choosing to ignore them. If I nitpicked, it would take away from my enjoyment of the film.

My point exactly.

It's just when a film visually assaults me with that much kick-fucking-assery, it's easy to forgive a few quibbles. No film is perfect anyway.

I read that as:

"If I acknowledge all of the shortcomings in this film then I'll have to admit to myself that it wasn't very good."

Here are my main gripes.

1. When did Megatron learn English?

2. If he hates humans so much, why is he speaking English to other Cybertronians to begin with?

3. If the Autobots and the Decepticons can travel through space without the need of another ship (way to shoot yourself in the foot on this one Bay) and space is a hell of a lot colder than the arctic, then why was Megatron "frozen" in a warmer climate than one he functions perfectly fine in?

4. If Megs was disabled since he crashed on earth so long ago...then how does he even know what humans are?

5. Why was Prime "running" from Sector 7? Would Transforming and driving off be a little less obvious?

6. I just can't believe that even Frenzy is so poorly constructed that a girl with an old rusty saw could cut his head off. That seems silly, and the saw looked electric at that.

7. Speaking of silly, BB peeing on John Tuturro. That was really fucking stupid. That whole scene with him having to undress was totally insipid.

I'm sure there are other things that popped into my head during the film but that was three weeks ago and this is all I can think of at the moment.

are holes, I'm just choosing to ignore them. If I nitpicked, it would take away from my enjoyment of the film.[/quote]

I read that as:

"If I acknowledge all of the shortcomings in this film then I'll have to admit to myself that it wasn't very good."

You can read minds and tell exactly how much people liked the movie ? hmm!

1. When did Megatron learn English?

Megatrons first encounter with english was when Witwitky activated him in antarctica, later it's described that he is aware somewhat of his surroundings at a subconscious level at the Hoover dam area and could have learned english from there.

2. If he hates humans so much, why is he speaking English to other
Cybertronians to begin with?

I guess you missed the Cybertronian language / symbols appearing first then translated into english !

3. If the Autobots and the Decepticons can travel through space without the need of another ship (way to shoot yourself in the foot on this one Bay) and space is a hell of a lot colder than the arctic, then why was Megatron "frozen" in a warmer climate than one he functions perfectly fine in?

In the original script for the movie the "Ark" was written into the script but it was cut due to budget concerns. Space is also just as hot as hell can be and even our own astronauts face temperature variances in either direction.

4. If Megs was disabled since he crashed on earth so long ago...then how does he even know what humans are?

Humans were around on earth a lot longer than 10 thousand years ago, he could have detected them before crashing.

5. Why was Prime "running" from Sector 7? Would Transforming and driving off be a little less obvious?

A complete non issue! However, maybe walking out of the area would have been easier than driving out ?

6. I just can't believe that even Frenzy is so poorly constructed that a girl with an old rusty saw could cut his head off. That seems silly, and the saw looked electric at that.

He's a six foot tall turkey at best if not shorter than that so he's agile but not some thick necked robot that would take the entire autobot force to defeat. Even Spike in the G1 cartoon took him on.

7. Speaking of silly, BB peeing on John Tuturro. That was really fucking stupid. That whole scene with him having to undress was totally insipid.

Since he told her in the car that "criminals are HOT" and blabbing about her fathers criminal record as well as her own then maybe she just wanted to humiliate him like he had done to her ?

Yeah ,the SABOT stuff was out there.
I know because I work on tanks for the army.
Those 120mm SABOT rounds are heavy as shit.