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    Senior Member Hardkore's Avatar
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    I found a review of the Blu-Ray set that is not impressed.

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    I passed on the entire set. I don't like the prequels enough as movies to double dip for an underwhelming boxed set release. I'm glad they at least gave us the option of splitting the trilogies. I'll be keeping my previous format sets, however.

    I agree with the writer's assertion (in HK's link) that the Alien set is the benchmark for stuff like this, it's as close to definitive (sans Fincher participation) as it's gonna get.

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    either way all the bonus hours of footage is enough of a sell to me. 40 hours my mouth is agape, and soon my wife will be very usual. just wait till the 30th is all i can tell her

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    Who else in 2011 refused to buy the blu-ray boxset until the original versions of the classic trilogy are included? i did in protest because i am a firm believer in film preservation and a moviebuff, any true SW fans wants the original versions to be included on blu-ray and not the crappy special special special editions of the OT.

    Did you all know that in the 80s George Lucas with Steven Spielberg, James Stewart, Woody Allen, Roger Ebert and others in Hollywood went against Ted Turner who was colorizing black and white films when Turner bought some of MGM's and RKO's library of films. He made a unique speech to congress 26 years ago about altering films and how to preserve the original films in their original state forever.

    My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation.

    I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I’ve come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.

    The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.

    A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.

    People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as “when life begins” or “when it should be appropriately terminated,” but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.

    These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with “fresher faces,” or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor’s lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new “original” negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.

    In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

    There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.

    I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.

    I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.

    The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.

    There are those who say American law is sufficient. That’s an outrage! It’s not sufficient! If it were sufficient, why would I be here? Why would John Houston have been so studiously ignored when he protested the colorization of “The Maltese Falcon?” Why are films cut up and butchered?

    Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.

    I hope you have the courage to lead America in acknowledging the importance of American art to the human race, and accord the proper protection for the creators of that art–as it is accorded them in much of the rest of the world communities.
    Any thoughts on this? what a hypocrite eh? thus the American Film Insitute and National Film Registry was born and Star Wars was one of the first 25 films to be in the NFR in 1989.

    I didn't mind the SE at first when they came out in theaters when i was a teen as i liked them as i noticed they were different than the original versions but i didn't like that Han shot did not first (kind of cheats on the character) nor didn't like the dumb Jedi musical number in Jedi's SE version but some were fine but the original cuts are far better. I do own the original films on bootleg DVDs from conventions which are the original versions and the 2004 DVDs with bonus disc, original versions on laserdisc THX versions, widescreen THX original versions from 95 and SE laserdiscs.

    Too bad my mom bought me the BD boxset for my birthday in 2012 and i had to see what more crappy changes Lucas has done with the OT being the worst yet of "No..NOOOO".

    Sure Lucas may have the right to constant tinkering with the OT but he has NO right to replace the original films. I am a firm believer in film preservation and in presenting movies and TV shows in the way that they were intended to be seen. If a movie was made with a wide aspect ratio, it should only be shown that way.

    I am also a supporter of artists’ rights while simultaneously being a supporter of film preservation, not only of the physical film but also of the way that movies were originally shown theatrically when technical issues were not present. I fully believe that directors should be allowed to alter the edits of their movies; however, that is balanced with the need for making the theatrical versions available as well as a part of cinematic history.

    It's important for cinematic artists to acknowledge the existence of the original versions and other versions of their films. Like say Terry Gilliam, Ridley Scott, Steven Spielberg and others to know the existence of other versions of their films like for example ET came out with a special edition 20th anniversary altered version as when it was released on DVD in 2002 it had a double disc set with 2 versions of the film yet now on BD it only has the theatrical unmolested original cut as Spielberg regretted what he did. Blade Runner exist in 5 cuts yet are on Blu-ray, Brazil exist in 3 cuts which are on Blu-ray from Universal and Criterion, Close Encounters exist in 3 cuts being on the 3-disc set, Nightbreed now exist in 3 cuts with theatrical on DVD/Cabal Cut in theaters and upcoming Blu-ray Director's Cut, Legend exist in 2 cuts on DVD and BD, Watchmen exist in 3 cuts, Armageddon in 2 cuts, Army of Darkness in 3 cuts, Dawn of the Dead 1978 in 3 cuts, Dark City 2 cuts etc. well you get the point.

    George Lucas, however, has explicitly said that the original, theatrical edition of the Star Wars trilogy no longer exist in his mind. In fact, he has stated indirectly that he is eager for existing VHS and laserdisc versions to become so obsolete that they too are no longer viable. As far as he’s concerned, the only viable versions are the modified versions that started with the Special Edition releases.

    The hypocrisy in his attitude towards the Star Wars trilogy is palpable and offensive.

    Would the 1988 Lucas hate the modern Lucas?

    But anyone glad Lucas is FINALLY gone, retired, moved on and away from his company with someone else in charge and Disney owning it? it was the best news in years for the company. I am, i rejoiced as Lucas will no longer destroy the original trilogy anymore, sure he is the creator of the series but at the same time he was destroying the originals and vandalizing American film heritage.

    Disney-Fox-Lucasfilm should join forces together and give us from the Lucasfilm vault the original untouched, unbutchered, unbastardnized and unedited versions of the SW trilogy on BD with quality picture and sound restorations and they can have our money

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