Bay's views on fanediting?

[ChldsPlay]

Does anyone know if Michael has any particular views on the world of fanediting?

Not necessarily the distribution of the fanedits, but just the idea of someone creating their own personal vision of movies to suit their tastes.

I know some directors are against this, while others fully endorse the idea.

[ChldsPlay]

Nobody knows, or at least has an idea?

[Bayhem]

No, publicly he hasn't said anything on the matter.

But I wouldn't be surprised if he answers here, on this thread. You never know...

[Mr Majestic]

Thank you for starting this thread! I've always wanted to re-edit the movie (mainly to cut out some of the unnecessary crap from the first movie), this would purely be to share with close friends and not to release on the web.

[Bayhem]

...(mainly to cut out some of the unnecessary crap from the first movie)...

No offence, but "crap", especially when it's posted on the site for the man who made the movie, is a bit harsh. Of course, there's nothing wrong with a constructive criticism, but "crap" is something people would use when they're basically bashing an artist and his work.


"Parts of the movie I didn't like", sounds a lot better. I think we can agree on that.

[ChldsPlay]

No offence, but "crap", especially when it's posted on the site for the man who made the movie, is a bit harsh. Of course, there's nothing wrong with a constructive criticism, but "crap" is something people would use when they're basically bashing an artist and his work.


"Parts of the movie I didn't like", sounds a lot better. I think we can agree on that.

Right, they may be crap to someone (and everyone has a different opinion on what is crap) but it's probably best not to call those parts you consider crap on the creator's site. I know there are several fanedits of the first 2 Transformers movies out there, and I'm sure they'll be some for the 3rd and I'm just curious if he has an opinion on this.

I guess nothing has ever been said...but...

Michael??
Nelson??

Care to chime in?

[Aliafne]

Oh at first I thought you meant fan videos ... else I cant process how you would imagine to "re-edit" a finished movie. Cutting out parts you dont like is not editing.

[Trailbreaker]

Oh at first I thought you meant fan videos ... else I cant process how you would imagine to "re-edit" a finished movie. Cutting out parts you dont like is not editing.

Exactly. Not only that, but saying you want to re-edit Bay's movie right on his website is a BIG no-no, btw.

And if I recall correctly, fan edits aren't exactly legal, either.

[ChldsPlay]

Oh at first I thought you meant fan videos ... else I cant process how you would imagine to "re-edit" a finished movie. Cutting out parts you dont like is not editing.

It is definitely editing. It doesn't offer the full flexibility of being able to choose which camera angles to use at what points, but it most definitely is editing.

[ChldsPlay]

Exactly. Not only that, but saying you want to re-edit Bay's movie right on his website is a BIG no-no, btw.

And if I recall correctly, fan edits aren't exactly legal, either.

Creating the edits is perfectly legal. It's in making them available where things get a little murky. They certainly haven't been deemed to NOT be legal though...yet.

[Aliafne]

It is definitely editing. It doesn't offer the full flexibility of being able to choose which camera angles to use at what points, but it most definitely is editing.

<br><br>Its mechanically moving the razor over the timeline. Its fine with fan music videos or fan videos. But if somebody wants to re-edit some scenes of a whole movie. It takes more than just cut and trim.&nbsp;

[Mr Majestic]

No offence, but "crap", especially when it's posted on the site for the man who made the movie, is a bit harsh. Of course, there's nothing wrong with a constructive criticism, but "crap" is something people would use when they're basically bashing an artist and his work.


"Parts of the movie I didn't like", sounds a lot better. I think we can agree on that.

I think you might need to loosen your transformers tinfoil hat... what happened to freedom of speech? What about all the people who within days of the last movie being released, started talking about a reboot? Isn't that also bashing the artist's work to a certain degree?

Ok I'll dumb it down for you: I would like to edit the movie and remove some of the comedy parts and make the storyline more darker and straight to the action.

[Bayhem]

I think you might need to loosen your transformers tinfoil hat... what happened to freedom of speech? What about all the people who within days of the last movie being released, started talking about a reboot? Isn't that also bashing the artist's work to a certain degree?

Ok I'll dumb it down for you: I would like to edit the movie and remove some of the comedy parts and make the storyline more darker and straight to the action.

First of all, don't try to act superior on me, because I can assure you, you got the wrong guy. Second, this is not your first time disrespecting Bay and his work on his own website...so I'd be very careful if I were you, because Nelson doesn't like that.

Third, this ain't YouTube or a random forum where you can say whatever you want. This is an official website and there are rules. Like I already said, there's nothing wrong with a constructive criticism, but you certainly are pushing it. Outside of that website, you can talk shit about Bay and his films all you want. No one cares. But while you're here, you'll follow the rules and you'll be at least respectful.

No one on this site is forcing you to praise Bay's work all the time, and people are allowed to be critical, but there's a right way to express your negative opinion, and there's a wrong way. I hope you understand that, and I really hope that you'll choose your words wisely the next time you decide to share your negative views on Bay's own website. Or when you talk to other members.

[Flyingheart]

If you have the Blu-ray of Michaels movies you can always personalize the movie by making bookmarks at your favorite scenes thats already editing the movie you just skip the scenes you don't wanna see by bookmarking the next scene you do like.

[Flyingheart]

http://www.universalhidef.com/home/e.../myscenes.aspx

[Aliafne]

I would like to edit the movie and remove some of the comedy parts and make the storyline more darker and straight to the action.

And? I meanfor doing it for yourself not putting it online, not sharing with anybody only for pure home use do it. Who cares? Why start a thread and why bother if Michael Bay cares or not?
I still find this whole idea and how you represent it very disrespectfull towards everybody who worked on the movie.

[Mr Majestic]

:lmao I think it's cute so many people are overly patriotic over certain topics. To some there's a fine line between constructive criticism and being disrespecting, just like how being sarcastic can come across as being misconstrued or condescending. Last time i checked the main page i didn't see any "beware of fascist mentality on various topics" alerts anywhere? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and free to say what they want regardless of where they are. I think keeping an independent and open mind on all topics is healthy. If you don't like what you read and it saddens your boring life that much then hide the comments... what else can you really to do about it? Some people react like a bunch of Nazi SS Storm troopers attacking anyone and everyone that chooses to think, act and comment free and independently? I personally felt angry at all the people who asked for a reboot of the franchise within weeks of DOTM being released and I think it's pathetic of people to think I'm disrespecting Bay, his team and/or all this work. I'm not sure how many times I've said it before but I'll say it again but I DO support his work but I for one don't need to act like a puppy seeking his maters affection.

As for "fan editing" - I think it's up to the individual if they choose to take a movie they've purchased and "remix" it so suit their preferred tastes. People do it with music so why not do it with movies, do we know if this is something Bay accepts and endorses?

[Trailbreaker]

lol, this is starting to look like an IMDb thread...

[sora]

Be nice during a debate.

[Darren Orange]

Sora, ROFL that is just awesome!

[ChldsPlay]

Its mechanically moving the razor over the timeline. Its fine with fan music videos or fan videos. But if somebody wants to re-edit some scenes of a whole movie. It takes more than just cut and trim.

I don't think you quite fully understand exactly what fanediting is, because what you describe is not even remotely close to what is involved in a fanedit. It is way more involved and complex than "moving the razor over the timeline." It's far more than just removing things.

[Aliafne]

I don't think you quite fully understand exactly what fanediting is, because what you describe is not even remotely close to what is involved in a fanedit. It is way more involved and complex than "moving the razor over the timeline." It's far more than just removing things.

"Editing is structure, color, dynamics, game with time, and many other things..." - Walter Murch
Thats why fan editing is not editing. You dont have the uncut movie, you dont have the original unedited raw version.

[I Fight Giant Robots]

If you have the Blu-ray of Michaels movies you can always personalize the movie by making bookmarks at your favorite scenes thats already editing the movie you just skip the scenes you don't wanna see by bookmarking the next scene you do like.

hey! i know what you're talking about. bookmarking is fun. I play around with the dvd remotes
all of the time. I put things on slow mo and I do that pause slow mo thing. And that repeat A-B
button is always funny. It allows you to repeat something over and over.

[Mr Majestic]

What everyone's opinion on taking the raw VOB file or a converted AVI file and editing the movie by selecting, reorganizing, removing and/or merging certain scene's from the movie? The idea is to take the trilogy and edit the story line to make a slightly different trilogy with less human interaction. As an artist (Dj, music producer, photographer) I'm open to the idea of fans taking my work and adding their own touch. The music and movie industry is built around this! 90% of our movie and music industry is based on copying, reproducing & sampling someone else's idea.

I wonder what the producers, directors, writers, cast and crew really think about this issue?

[nelson]

Right, they may be crap to someone (and everyone has a different opinion on what is crap) but it's probably best not to call those parts you consider crap on the creator's site. I know there are several fanedits of the first 2 Transformers movies out there, and I'm sure they'll be some for the 3rd and I'm just curious if he has an opinion on this.

I guess nothing has ever been said...but...

Michael??
Nelson??

Care to chime in?

Imagine someone re-painting or re-drawing a Da Vinci or a Matisse.

BTW, there is a difference between this and this.