Bonecrusher is ALIVE!!

[trashcollector]

This is just my theory, but I think that Bonecrusher is still at large in a small size because when Frenzy lost his body trying to get the glasses from Sam, he was still alive and able to move.

And Bonecrusher lost his connection with his body after dueling with Optimus Prime. So I think that Bonecrusher is still alive, tending this wounds and waiting to be casted in the next film with all the other constructicons.

Anybody agree with me?

[Smokescreen_5]

Uhh.. Bonecrusher is dead. Frenzy is dead. Jazz is Dead. Blackout is Dead. Brawl is dead. Megatron is dead. Lets move forward with new characters!

[Shadow]

This is just my theory, but I think that Bonecrusher is still at large in a small size because when Frenzy lost his body trying to get the glasses from Sam, he was still alive and able to move.

And Bonecrusher lost his connection with his body after dueling with Optimus Prime. So I think that Bonecrusher is still alive, tending this wounds and waiting to be casted in the next film with all the other constructicons.

Anybody agree with me?

Uhh.. Bonecrusher is dead. Frenzy is dead. Jazz is Dead. Blackout is Dead. Brawl is dead. Megatron is dead. Lets move forward with new characters!

You are right about Bonecrusher. If they really wanted to bring him back they could. Frenzy lost his head and still lived so why not Bonecrusher? If the Constucticons are indeed in the next movie he should be there as well. And no one knows for sure that Magatron is dead. Yes the Allspark seemed to shut him down but there is no clearification that it destroied him. He may just be in a shutdown mode. The power from the cube may just make him more powerful.

[Smokescreen_5]

You are right about Bonecrusher. If they really wanted to bring him back they could. Frenzy lost his head and still lived so why not Bonecrusher? If the Constucticons are indeed in the next movie he should be there as well. And no one knows for sure that Magatron is dead. Yes the Allspark seemed to shut him down but there is no clearification that it destroied him. He may just be in a shutdown mode. The power from the cube may just make him more powerful.

Frenzys' Head was chopped off and then transformed into a spider looking thing that changed into a phone, yes this is true. But while he was having a battle with the Defense Secretary, Glen and Maggie, you may recall that he threw out one of his ninja looking stars, and it boomaranged back at him and split his head in two, killing him. Unless of course he just said, "Oh Shit!", for no apparent reason.

[megatron42]

i ain't dead yet i'll be back in the sequel built bigger and badder

[Smokescreen_5]

i ain't dead yet i'll be back in the sequel built bigger and badder

Jazz: You wanna piece of me?

[uraydo]

I have a theory (and really this is me trying to explain away a badly written script) that Frenzy's regenerative attributes were more advanced than any other Transformer in the movie. this would explain how he survived as a head, how he changed form with ease (?Bumblebee?) and how his parts were the most manipulatable of the cast of bots. (how he transformed into a cell phone.)

if this theory was true, it would allow frenzy to survive a two thirds of his head being cut off. However if his spark was located in his head, the trauma of his final injury could have been enough to kill him.


I hate bad story telling. you would not believe the flack I receive from my peers for liking this movie.... I get more flack from my teachers.

[Shadow]

Frenzys' Head was chopped off and then transformed into a spider looking thing that changed into a phone, yes this is true. But while he was having a battle with the Defense Secretary, Glen and Maggie, you may recall that he threw out one of his ninja looking stars, and it boomaranged back at him and split his head in two, killing him. Unless of course he just said, "Oh Shit!", for no apparent reason.

We all know about him killing himself with the star. What he was refering to was if Frenzy could have his head chopped off and live then why couldnt Boncrusher, thats all. Remember the transformers can regenerate. So as long as a spark remains they can heal themselves. We really dont know if there sparks were extinguished. Remember its hollywood so anything or anyone can come back. Both the Boncrusher and Brawl toys state they were not killed. Brawl was revived buy the cubes powers when it merged with Megatron and Bonecrusher did do just what we are talking about. He regenerated and hid in the South Americas and took on a green color for camo wich to me hints at the traditional coloring of the Constucticons.

[trashcollector]

Thank you Shadow2879, at least you know what I am talking about. Of Course I know Frenzy died after getting himself ninja starred, but I was talking about the first time when he got his head cut off.

And another thing about Bonecrusher's death is that there were no "sparks" flying out from his body when he was being cut, only the orange "normal sparks" that you see in everyday life which means that Bonecrusher's might still be alive and Michael Bay better put him in.

[Shadow]

Thank you Shadow2879, at least you know what I am talking about. Of Course I know Frenzy died after getting himself ninja starred, but I was talking about the first time when he got his head cut off.

And another thing about Bonecrusher's death is that there were no "sparks" flying out from his body when he was being cut, only the orange "normal sparks" that you see in everyday life which means that Bonecrusher's might still be alive and Michael Bay better put him in.

Well all I can say is that if Bay wants to use the Constuticons then Bonecrusher need to be brought back

• Movie Deluxe Class Jungle Bonecrusher (2008/unreleased)

A redeco of the original Deluxe class toy and part of the "Allspark Power" series. The toy tech-specs state after his fight with Prime, he fled until he was in the South-American jungle and, like Deep-Desert Brawl, altered his form to blend in. It is not known if this will involve a sequel.

[megatron42]

Jazz: You wanna piece of me?

no, i want two!

[xAgonyxScenex]

nope...dont agree with you....he got a sword through the face...he's gone!

[Smokescreen_5]

We all know about him killing himself with the star. What he was refering to was if Frenzy could have his head chopped off and live then why couldnt Boncrusher, thats all. Remember the transformers can regenerate. So as long as a spark remains they can heal themselves. We really dont know if there sparks were extinguished. Remember its hollywood so anything or anyone can come back. Both the Boncrusher and Brawl toys state they were not killed. Brawl was revived buy the cubes powers when it merged with Megatron and Bonecrusher did do just what we are talking about. He regenerated and hid in the South Americas and took on a green color for camo wich to me hints at the traditional coloring of the Constucticons.

Uhhhhhhhh.. yeah.. the toys came out before the movie. Before the movie, they were alive. After the movie .. they were dead. I've looked at all of the toy figures. Bonecrusher deluxe figure, Brawl deluxe figure, Brawl Leader figure, Brawl that came in the package with Scorponok and Ultimate Bumblebee, as well as the package from Sam's club that came with Deluxe Brawl, Bonecrusher, and Jazz. Nowhere on those packages do they say anything about being revived and not killed and or hiding in the South Americas with camo coloring. Otherwise, wherever you are getting your information, is unsubstantiated. And no, this is not me walking all over you, or trying to put you down in any way. It's me telling you that you may want to verify the facts first.

[Shadow]

Uhhhhhhhh.. yeah.. the toys came out before the movie. Before the movie, they were alive. After the movie .. they were dead. I've looked at all of the toy figures. Bonecrusher deluxe figure, Brawl deluxe figure, Brawl Leader figure, Brawl that came in the package with Scorponok and Ultimate Bumblebee, as well as the package from Sam's club that came with Deluxe Brawl, Bonecrusher, and Jazz. Nowhere on those packages do they say anything about being revived and not killed and or hiding in the South Americas with camo coloring. Otherwise, wherever you are getting your information, is unsubstantiated. And no, this is not me walking all over you, or trying to put you down in any way. It's me telling you that you may want to verify the facts first.

My info on these toys is of the 08 releases that are to be released in 08.

• Movie Deluxe Class Jungle Bonecrusher (2008/unreleased)

A redeco of the original Deluxe class toy and part of the "Allspark Power" series. The toy tech-specs state after his fight with Prime, he fled until he was in the South-American jungle and, like Deep-Desert Brawl, altered his form to blend in. It is not known if this will involve a sequel.

• Movie Fast Acton Battlers Deep Desert Brawl (2008/unreleased)

A redeco of Fast Action Battlers Brawl.

• Movie Leader Class Deep Desert Brawl (unreleased)

A redeco of Leader Class Brawl in tan with blue highlights. "Saturated with power from the AllSpark and freed from the influence of MEGATRON, DECEPTICON BRAWL disappeared into the rugged land around the Hoover Dam. Making his way over the course of months to the most troubled spot on Earth, he adapted his vehicle mode to the new environment, went to ground and waited. Hiding in the deep desert, he soaks up energy from the blazing sun, and emerges only to satisfy his hunger for destruction by attacking and annihilating human convoys and armored columns. He is a ghost in the desert, attacking randomly and without reason, and disappearing before human air power can arrive to track him. To those living in the region, he is a myth, but to those few who survive his attacks he is a monster." . Like Jungle Attack Bonecrusher, it is unknown if this will affect the sequels.

[Smokescreen_5]

My info on these toys is of the 08 releases that are to be released in 08.

• Movie Deluxe Class Jungle Bonecrusher (2008/unreleased)

A redeco of the original Deluxe class toy and part of the "Allspark Power" series. The toy tech-specs state after his fight with Prime, he fled until he was in the South-American jungle and, like Deep-Desert Brawl, altered his form to blend in. It is not known if this will involve a sequel.

• Movie Fast Acton Battlers Deep Desert Brawl (2008/unreleased)

A redeco of Fast Action Battlers Brawl.

• Movie Leader Class Deep Desert Brawl (unreleased)

A redeco of Leader Class Brawl in tan with blue highlights. "Saturated with power from the AllSpark and freed from the influence of MEGATRON, DECEPTICON BRAWL disappeared into the rugged land around the Hoover Dam. Making his way over the course of months to the most troubled spot on Earth, he adapted his vehicle mode to the new environment, went to ground and waited. Hiding in the deep desert, he soaks up energy from the blazing sun, and emerges only to satisfy his hunger for destruction by attacking and annihilating human convoys and armored columns. He is a ghost in the desert, attacking randomly and without reason, and disappearing before human air power can arrive to track him. To those living in the region, he is a myth, but to those few who survive his attacks he is a monster." . Like Jungle Attack Bonecrusher, it is unknown if this will affect the sequels.

Ahh.. ok.. so you got it off of wikipedia. Hmm.. Well anybody can add information to that site, so its sometimes a good source for information, other times its not. Has there been anything released by Hasbro about any toys of that sort? I saw Australia had a bluish colored Leader Class Optimus Prime called Nightwatch Optimus Prime or something like that.. and I think it came with a blue sword (saw that off of eBay), other than that, the only new figures I've seen since the movie are Final Battle Jazz, Recon Barricade, Autobot Camshaft, and Cliffjumper. So not really sure where the comments about a Jungle Bonecrusher or Brawl came from. Is there something online elsewhere that talks about it besides Wikipedia? Like for example on www.bwtf.com or www.tfarchive.com ?

[Shadow]

Ahh.. ok.. so you got it off of wikipedia. Hmm.. Well anybody can add information to that site, so its sometimes a good source for information, other times its not. Has there been anything released by Hasbro about any toys of that sort? I saw Australia had a bluish colored Leader Class Optimus Prime called Nightwatch Optimus Prime or something like that.. and I think it came with a blue sword (saw that off of eBay), other than that, the only new figures I've seen since the movie are Final Battle Jazz, Recon Barricade, Autobot Camshaft, and Cliffjumper. So not really sure where the comments about a Jungle Bonecrusher or Brawl came from. Is there something online elsewhere that talks about it besides Wikipedia? Like for example on www.bwtf.com or www.tfarchive.com ?

Bro everything about TFs dose not have to come from these sights.
Go to TFORMERS.com and SEIBERTRON.com

Movie Deluxe Jungle Bonecrusher & Overcast

By News_Staff on Thursday, December 06, 2007 @ 05:23:09 PM
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JUNGLE BONECRUSHER

Barely functional after his battle with Optimus Prime, Bonecrusher crawled away from the scene of his defeat and hid. Effecting what few repairs he could on his own, he also removed his locator beacon and communications hardware, cutting himself off entirely from the other surviving Decepticons.


Fleeing south, farther and farther, he eventually found himself deep in the jungles of [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]South [COLOR=blue! important]America[/color][/color][/color]. Hidden in the most remote area on Earth, he is free to indulge his rage on the rainforest without interruption.

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[S!gma]

throwing in my 6 cents...

In one case [like the Beast wars] a body can be destroyed but by "re-polarizing" or by simply channeling the spark from the afterlife a Cybertronian can be revived, or put into a completley new body.

Which can explain rebirth, but is sort of corny because if characters cannot die [be destroyed] who the hell cares how many times you blow them up?
IMO it will discredit any future prime killings as sequel fodder.


If on the other hand the dead are gone it makes the series feel more real, and with Bay's promise that there will be new and amazing TFs in the next I hope that few are brought back.

The list is something like all Autobots except Jazz, Starscream, Barricade and Scorponok are alive. Megatron and frenzy seem dead, Blackout is also down. To me it seems like Bonecrusher is dead. Slow-mo that Mo-fo and it looks like prime jams the sword down his chest into his spark, and then rips BC's head off for good measure. While Constructicons stay a popular topic, Devastator is dead too, toys call him brawl but in the movie we are going to have to deal with it... or ignore it completley.

[Smokescreen_5]

Bro everything about TFs dose not have to come from these sights.
Go to TFORMERS.com and SEIBERTRON.com

Movie Deluxe Jungle Bonecrusher & Overcast

By News_Staff on Thursday, December 06, 2007 @ 05:23:09 PM
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JUNGLE BONECRUSHER

Barely functional after his battle with Optimus Prime, Bonecrusher crawled away from the scene of his defeat and hid. Effecting what few repairs he could on his own, he also removed his locator beacon and communications hardware, cutting himself off entirely from the other surviving Decepticons.


Fleeing south, farther and farther, he eventually found himself deep in the jungles of [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]South [COLOR=blue! important]America[/color][/color][/color]. Hidden in the most remote area on Earth, he is free to indulge his rage on the rainforest without interruption.

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And I presume that you have links to the actual figures? Pictures? Something of that sort? After seeing there was a Nightwatch Optimus Prime out there, its very possible. Oh cool.. .there is a Jungle Bonecrusher, but I don't see a Brawl out there. It doesn't give much details about it, and I can't read whats on the back, but thats cool that they've got them coming out.. looks like theres a few others coming out as well.. Overcast, Landmine, Stockade.. I'm intrigued now...

[S!gma]

Bro everything about TFs dose not have to come from these sights.
Go to TFORMERS.com and SEIBERTRON.com

Movie Deluxe Jungle Bonecrusher & Overcast

By News_Staff on Thursday, December 06, 2007 @ 05:23:09 PM
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JUNGLE BONECRUSHER

Barely functional after his battle with Optimus Prime, Bonecrusher crawled away from the scene of his defeat and hid. Effecting what few repairs he could on his own, he also removed his locator beacon and communications hardware, cutting himself off entirely from the other surviving Decepticons.


Fleeing south, farther and farther, he eventually found himself deep in the jungles of [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]South [COLOR=blue! important]America[/color][/color][/color]. Hidden in the most remote area on Earth, he is free to indulge his rage on the rainforest without interruption.

click here to view more images

Those have always differed from the plot of the incarnation of Transformers at the time. Tech specs like that are needed to write in re-paints and toys that have never been featured before. Theyre taken as gospel if there is no other info like in Universe, Robot masters, Alternators, BinalTech or Masterpieces but they provide little help towards real plot.


Let him sleep, the dude is dead
...IMO

[raddimus]

You are right about Bonecrusher. If they really wanted to bring him back they could. Frenzy lost his head and still lived so why not Bonecrusher? If the Constucticons are indeed in the next movie he should be there as well. And no one knows for sure that Magatron is dead. Yes the Allspark seemed to shut him down but there is no clearification that it destroied him. He may just be in a shutdown mode. The power from the cube may just make him more powerful.

Um I think the energon blade did the trick.

[Smokescreen_5]

Um I think the energon blade did the trick.

I was looking at this link here for Jungle Bonecrusher and noticed the seller had other new Transformers he had found as well.. Jolt which looks kind of like Swindle. Incinerator, which looks kind of cool with a picture of a First Strike Optimus Prime on the back, then theres Big Daddy, Grindcore, and Divebomb. I like the sounds of Big Daddy and Jolt.. lol..

[Xaniss]

I have a theory (and really this is me trying to explain away a badly written script) that Frenzy's regenerative attributes were more advanced than any other Transformer in the movie. this would explain how he survived as a head, how he changed form with ease (?Bumblebee?) and how his parts were the most manipulatable of the cast of bots. (how he transformed into a cell phone.)

if this theory was true, it would allow frenzy to survive a two thirds of his head being cut off. However if his spark was located in his head, the trauma of his final injury could have been enough to kill him.


I hate bad story telling. you would not believe the flack I receive from my peers for liking this movie.... I get more flack from my teachers.

Okay I don't know how authentic this is but this comes from the Transformers 'The Movie Guide' by Simon Furman - it's a hard covered book with a lenticular cover of Optimus going to the Autobot symbol. Frenzy is in this book and in a little fact box about him it says and I quote, 'A non-centralized logic net means that various bit of Frenzy can funtion independently, even if disconnected from the main torso strut.' End quote...

So I think that is why Frenzy was able to still function when he was just a head after the Bumblebee/Barricade fight. I do love this book, it's so fun! Simon has many a bit of info on most of the bots - stuff I didn't even pick up watching the movie, such as Bumblebee's exo-armour is coated in solar receptors, Blackout can shut down all auditory senses to protect himself from sonic backwash (makes sense really) or Barricade harbouring resentment for Starscream talking the credit of his work when he breached the stronghold of Ky-Alexa... okay off topic here sorry!

[Smokescreen_5]

Okay I don't know how authentic this is but this comes from the Transformers 'The Movie Guide' by Simon Furman - it's a hard covered book with a lenticular cover of Optimus going to the Autobot symbol. Frenzy is in this book and in a little fact box about him it says and I quote, 'A non-centralized logic net means that various bit of Frenzy can funtion independently, even if disconnected from the main torso strut.' End quote...

The movie guide huh? I'll have to see if I can still find a copy and pick it up...

[Michael Do]

In my theory, IF SoundWave ever go to earth and restore Megatron back to life (taken from the leak script) then all the other decepticons should be revive too since they were dumped in the sea together with Megatron.

[Bumblebee1983]

The movie guide huh? I'll have to see if I can still find a copy and pick it up...

I got one! And the prequel comic.

I haven't had time to read 'em yet, but I will.

You can order the Furman book from Amazon.com if you can't find any in your local bookstore.