Decepticons mustn't have the AllSpark!!

[trashcollector]

At the end of the movie, when Sam is running towards the rundown building to get the cube out of the city, he bumps into Cadillac Escalade and drops the cube onto the ground.

The xbox 360, the mountain dew vending machine, and the Cadillac received the spark from the cube and therefore became robots.

Now, did anybody noticed that the robots, as soon as they were given life, they started to destroy humans? I think this kind of gives a hint that suggests why Megatron wanted the cube.

Also, this is just my opinion, but I think that when Cybertron was created, all the characters from autobots were not necessary evil, but violent and destructive.

[Bumblebee1983]

At the end of the movie, when Sam is running towards the rundown building to get the cube out of the city, he bumps into Cadillac Escalade and drops the cube onto the ground.

The xbox 360, the mountain dew vending machine, and the Cadillac received the spark from the cube and therefore became robots.

Now, did anybody noticed that the robots, as soon as they were given life, they started to destroy humans? I think this kind of gives a hint that suggests why Megatron wanted the cube.

Also, this is just my opinion, but I think that when Cybertron was created, all the characters from autobots were not necessary evil, but violent and destructive.

That's a good pick up. The Allspark has raw power that gives 'bots power, but uncontrolled power, without sentient thought. Prime has the matrix, so that's why autobots are the way they are.

At least that's how I've had it explained to me....

[Ricardo]

At the end of the movie, when Sam is running towards the rundown building to get the cube out of the city, he bumps into Cadillac Escalade and drops the cube onto the ground.

The xbox 360, the mountain dew vending machine, and the Cadillac received the spark from the cube and therefore became robots.

Now, did anybody noticed that the robots, as soon as they were given life, they started to destroy humans? I think this kind of gives a hint that suggests why Megatron wanted the cube.

Also, this is just my opinion, but I think that when Cybertron was created, all the characters from autobots were not necessary evil, but violent and destructive.

Yes, I think Optimus also explained that in the movie. He said: 'Megatron will use the allspark to transform earth machine's into deadly machine, which will be the end of the human race'. Something like that.

[IMT Guyver]

But if you have a close look at the Steering Wheel in the car it has a Autobot Sign just like Bumblebee but red in color.Or i'm i just seeing things

[Prime]

But if you have a close look at the Steering Wheel in the car it has a Autobot Sign just like Bumblebee but red in color.Or i'm i just seeing things

I thought that too and watched the film on dvd and it is the emblem of the car maker. It just happens to be a coincidence that they have a similar look.

At the end of the movie, when Sam is running towards the rundown building to get the cube out of the city, he bumps into Cadillac Escalade and drops the cube onto the ground.

The xbox 360, the mountain dew vending machine, and the Cadillac received the spark from the cube and therefore became robots.

Now, did anybody noticed that the robots, as soon as they were given life, they started to destroy humans? I think this kind of gives a hint that suggests why Megatron wanted the cube.

Also, this is just my opinion, but I think that when Cybertron was created, all the characters from autobots were not necessary evil, but violent and destructive.

Now in regards to the last bit...."all the characters from autobots were not necessary evil, but violent and destructive" Prime has the matrix which basically reprograms the robots with the ideals of the autobots. One thing that was never explained was how the decepticons became sentient. In armada it was explored to a degree with starscream getting confused with what Alexia kept telling him. The other thing is that the car, xbox and the drink vending machine that were touched by the all spark and even earlier in the film the Nokia that kid gives to Simmons that he puts into the box, they all went on their basic programming, now we don't know what the mount dew robot was actually shooting at, we never see the escalade transform, in fact we only see the steering wheel grab the girls face. Now at the end of the film with the autobots hanging about with primes voice over, we don't see the escalade. Now I don't know if this was left out or just forgotten. If the escalade was at the end it would have tied up a loose end very nicely. But having said that, Prime never saw Sam drop the cube on the ground and therefore doesn't know that there are three robots running around.

I hope that tf2 indeed ties that up.

[IMT Guyver]

I all so think at one or two time's in the G1 series of TF they tried to explore and explained how the decepticons became sentient. I think it was in one the eps when One of the autobot when back in time to the begging of the war on cybertron and took a Autobot to ultra Sigma after begging shot by Megatron.Sigma re-built him and that Autobot become Optimus Prime.

[Smokescreen_5]

I all so think at one or two time's in the G1 series of TF they tried to explore and explained how the decepticons became sentient. I think it was in one the eps when One of the autobot when back in time to the begging of the war on cybertron and took a Autobot to ultra Sigma after begging shot by Megatron.Sigma re-built him and that Autobot become Optimus Prime.

You would be referring to the episode: "War Dawn". They didn't explain how Decepticons had become sentient, it explained how they were tired of playing battle games and wanted to take over everything. It wasn't just one Autobot that went back in time, it was 5. The band of Aerialbots who formed the Gestalt, Superion. They all got a glimpse of the past. There is no Ultra Sigma, there is a Vector Sigma. And what you were referring to was Alpha Trion who had been brought Orion Pax to him by the Aerialbots after Megatron attacked a warehouse full of Energon. Alpha Trion rebuilt him into Optimus Prime.

Now in regards to the last bit...."all the characters from autobots were not necessary evil, but violent and destructive" Prime has the matrix which basically reprograms the robots with the ideals of the autobots. One thing that was never explained was how the decepticons became sentient. In armada it was explored to a degree with starscream getting confused with what Alexia kept telling him. The other thing is that the car, xbox and the drink vending machine that were touched by the all spark and even earlier in the film the Nokia that kid gives to Simmons that he puts into the box, they all went on their basic programming, now we don't know what the mount dew robot was actually shooting at, we never see the escalade transform, in fact we only see the steering wheel grab the girls face. Now at the end of the film with the autobots hanging about with primes voice over, we don't see the escalade. Now I don't know if this was left out or just forgotten. If the escalade was at the end it would have tied up a loose end very nicely. But having said that, Prime never saw Sam drop the cube on the ground and therefore doesn't know that there are three robots running around.

Those are some good points. It has been made unclear on numerous Transformers as to what happened to them. Last time we saw Barricade, he was barreling down the interstate right before Prime decapitated Bonecrusher. Last time we saw Scorponok was in the desert after they shot his tail off, but he was still kickin. The XBox, Mt Dew Machine and Escalade are interesting only because.. well I don't know if anybody played the Mt Dew Transformers game on their website, but they made it out as if it was an Autobot. Kind of fun to play and think about too. Then again.. I love the dew.. heh heh.. The Escalade.. who knows whats going to happen with that one. It's all black so who knows.. best guess I have right now is it may become Trailblazer. The XBox.. well if I was Ironhide, I'd probably just step on it and smash it.. never cared for Microsoft anyways. So now we have 4, Autobots, 2 Decepticons on earth, 1 in the skies, and 3 untamed unaffiliated bots out running around. I guess we should all be aware of our surroundings.. heh heh..

[Autobot_Killa]

Ok, i was wonderin where the f*** the allspark came from. I thought this was transformers, and it was power the were after to wipe out the autobots.
But now, they have decided to fight over "god".wtf?

[Prime]

Well the allspark is gone now. Now all that is left is for the autobots to preserve their transfomer race. Or as Prime said " We are Autonomous Robotic Organisms from the planet cybertron."

With the allspark gone I think it will step things up a bit in regards to the stakes next time round. The decepticons will be fighting internally for who is to take command, and the autobots will be trying to work out when barricade is going to turn up again after being chased off the freeway.

Also it is possible for jazz to come back as prime still has the piece of the allspark left. As we saw with frenzy, when damaged and you get the power from it, it will repair you. There may yet well be power left in that shard.

[trashcollector]

Well the allspark is gone now. Now all that is left is for the autobots to preserve their transfomer race. Or as Prime said " We are Autonomous Robotic Organisms from the planet cybertron."

With the allspark gone I think it will step things up a bit in regards to the stakes next time round. The decepticons will be fighting internally for who is to take command, and the autobots will be trying to work out when barricade is going to turn up again after being chased off the freeway.

Also it is possible for jazz to come back as prime still has the piece of the allspark left. As we saw with frenzy, when damaged and you get the power from it, it will repair you. There may yet well be power left in that shard.

If you have watched the movie, some remnants of the AllSpark still is left and even though Optimus Prime looked grim when he picked up the cube, don't forget that the original size of the cube was as big as an asteroid until
Bumblebee minimized it to a portable size. So I think that the cube will be maximized back to its gigantic shape and come to use in TF2 and give life to more autobots except they might not be as powerful as they are suppose to be.

[Prime]

If you have watched the movie, some remnants of the AllSpark still is left and even though Optimus Prime looked grim when he picked up the cube, don't forget that the original size of the cube was as big as an asteroid until
Bumblebee minimized it to a portable size. So I think that the cube will be maximized back to its gigantic shape and come to use in TF2 and give life to more autobots except they might not be as powerful as they are suppose to be.

One shard is all that is left. As I mentioned it could just be enough to get jazz repaired as we saw frenzy do when he found it in the dam. I highly doubt the shard will transform again as there is not enough of it to do that.

[Shadow]

One shard is all that is left. As I mentioned it could just be enough to get jazz repaired as we saw frenzy do when he found it in the dam. I highly doubt the shard will transform again as there is not enough of it to do that.

ya but it could regenerate just as the Transformers do. I mean they are of the same spark or whatever you want to call it.

[Shadow]

OK... This is for anyone who wants to know the TFs history. As for thse of you who ask how the Decepticons became sentient... They always were. When Cybertron was at piece the Autobots were workers and the Decepticons were Gladiators. They were the police force and so on. Spark in general was all evil. And as for the stuff that transformed in the movie when Sam fell with the cube... everthing on Earth will be evil at first because it was reversed enginnered from Megatron. If it would have been say Optimus then they would have been good. Here is a link to the history Transformers: A History Have fun reading, it is very long.

[Smokescreen_5]

OK... This is for anyone who wants to know the TFs history. As for thse of you who ask how the Decepticons became sentient... They always were. When Cybertron was at piece the Autobots were workers and the Decepticons were Gladiators. They were the police force and so on. Spark in general was all evil. And as for the stuff that transformed in the movie when Sam fell with the cube... everthing on Earth will be evil at first because it was reversed enginnered from Megatron. If it would have been say Optimus then they would have been good. Here is a link to the history Transformers: A History Have fun reading, it is very long.

Or I could just go watch it all on DVD

[Shadow]

Or I could just go watch it all on DVD

You could but there is so much that is not in any cartoon or movie that explains a lot that people dont know.

[Smokescreen_5]

You could but there is so much that is not in any cartoon or movie that explains a lot that people dont know.

Oh you mean like reading some of the comics by Marvel or Dreamwave? Or perhaps looking at all of the toys like J. Alvarez did in his books? Or perhaps you are referring to all of the stuff that is made up by Transfans that are unofficial in the Transformers continuity? And yeah.. I don't bite on that stuff. I guess not everybody would know about the dealings or storylines in Botcon events. That would be something you could talk about I guess. Unless its been beaten to death like most other things.

[Shadow]

Oh you mean like reading some of the comics by Marvel or Dreamwave? Or perhaps looking at all of the toys like J. Alvarez did in his books? Or perhaps you are referring to all of the stuff that is made up by Transfans that are unofficial in the Transformers continuity? And yeah.. I don't bite on that stuff. I guess not everybody would know about the dealings or storylines in Botcon events. That would be something you could talk about I guess. Unless its been beaten to death like most other things.

Ok... I was just letting people know how other people on the boards are good people and you jump on and bash. What the heck bro? Im just tring to help people out and give thim info on stuff they may not know and you jump in and shot me down. Thats not cool. As for the TFs sight i posted for info... Did you read it? If not then try reading it. You may like it.

[Wreckage]

What if what was called the "Allspark" in the movie turns out to not be the true "Allspark", but instead, something else that was created by Unicron? What if the Autobots and Decepticons are different species? What if Unicron is somehow connected to the Decepticon species? What if he created several of these cubes and placed them on several planets as a means of conquering their organic populations by having these cubes turn the machines there into more Decepticon killing machines?

Just thoughts. But that could explain why the cube repaired Frenzy and not Bumblebee. Maybe the cube can sense the genetics of any Transformer that touches it. Maybe it is programmed to only repair and create Decepticons.

What if the real Allspark is something else entirely? What if it was stolen from Cybertron eons ago and replaced by some cheap immitation cube to keep the planet powered?

Again, just thoughts.

[phoenixgirl]

my theory about the allspark and the xbox and vending machine transformers is that creation was not complete.

In the movie, every time the allspark created a transformer, it was a creature that was nowhere near sentient. It was ruled completly by instinctual programming.

In the 1st destiny comic, the autobots referred to these accidents as mutations.

What if the allspark is only half the equation? If the allspark gives life to machines and creates the transformers, what makes them sentient?

[chatterbox]

did BBs voice get repaired when he touched the all spark?

tthere was that little zap when he touched it

if the allspark breeds bad robots why didnt it change BB into a con?

[phoenixgirl]

did BBs voice get repaired when he touched the all spark?

tthere was that little zap when he touched it

if the allspark breeds bad robots why didnt it change BB into a con?

I agree that the allspark is what fixed Bumblebee's voice. It fixed frenzy. I think the reason why it did not affect Bumblebee was because he was a machine that was already alive and sentient.

As I said before, those allspark creations were not decepticons persay. They had no intelligence and relied purely on instinct. They wake up, see strange things they don't understand, they shoot.
Just how I understand things

[BlackZarak]

I believe Orci said that it was Ratchet's repair beam that fixed Bumblebee, though he didn't discount the Allspark's assistance.

Also, the Allspark transmuted robots weren't necessarily evil, just wild and maybe a bit crazy. It probably didn't help that they were built from technology derived from Megatron.

In the original cartoon and comics there were 2 stages to TF creation. Step 1 would be to build and program the robots, then the lifeless robots would be given life by the Source of TF life: Vector Sigma in the Cartoon, the Creation Matrix in the Comics.

The Allspark in the 2007 Movie is a combination of Vector Sigma, the Creation Matrix and the Underbase (Marvel US TF Comics #47-50). Its life-giving properties come from the first two, while its cube shape and destructive power (it kills you if you merge with it) are from the Underbase.

[Wreckage]

did BBs voice get repaired when he touched the all spark?

tthere was that little zap when he touched it

if the allspark breeds bad robots why didnt it change BB into a con?

Maybe it did repair Bumblebee's voice. Who knows. But watching the movie myself, I got the impression that Ratchet is the one who did the repair.

What I'd like to know is why Bumblebee's face looks the same in TF2 if his voice got repaired. Given the way he moved the area of his face where his mouth should be when he talked, it seemed as if he has a mouth somewhere. I'm wondering if Ratchet put some metal thing in his mouth and around his face after he got his voicebox several damaged for some reason. If so, one would think Ratchet would remove it after he regained his ability to speak. Or maybe he gained an ability to speak for only a little while and then lost it. Maybe he's mute again in TF2. Or maybe his face has always looked weird.

[phoenixgirl]

I think he always looked like that. He din't change his face when he started talking again.