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    Sadly I know this isn't true, some guys collections of these things is just unworldly. Still I should be moving this year so I need to sort out the paperwork that I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevermore View Post
    But the toy was not named "Jetfire" in Japan...
    Because it never sold in Japan.

    And furthermore, what do the names used in the US audio version have to do with the Japan broadcast? They changed half the cast's name for the Japanese dub anyway.
    That part I don't know. But my point is, the Mirage/Ferrari name debacle isn't the first time a character had different names in different formats (comic, movie, toy) for legal reasons.

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    someone above me called him slyster that sounds pretty cool i could live with that. Mario i could not:lmao

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    Geographically, he still lived in Italy.
    Sure, but still not the same thing.

    Or were the Babylonians considered Iraqi? Geographically, they still lived in Iraq.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trailbreaker View Post
    I find this unbelievable. Why? Because why would Bay devote that much time talking to some random guy(s) he doesn't even know while he could be busy filming?
    Because Bay wasnt filming at the time and we were invited to see the sets, talk to Bay, get Autographs and everyone knows Bay loves to talk about what he is doing and loves to show off his work. while on set, we were told the hover drone would be a Con ship, we were told about the Wreckers, Shadow was allowed to sit in the Wreckers, Ironhide and Optimus, Bay told us of scenes that were being shoot there and who and what bots (code named) would be in what shoots. And who says Bay doesnt know us? We may not be guys that are at his side like Nelson, but I have had the privilege to meet and talk to Bay twice and my brother has talked to him many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    In the movie script, he was never called Mirage to begin with.
    This is common though. A lot of names get changed from the script to the final movies. If he was not named Mirage in the script, what was he called? You say NOW that he will have a human based name and not a real TF name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plague1980 View Post
    This is common though. A lot of names get changed from the script to the final movies. If he was not named Mirage in the script, what was he called? You say NOW that he will have a human based name and not a real TF name?
    According to what Nelson said over at TFW2005, his code name in the script was "Enzo", among other names.

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    Well, this is fucking annoying. It's like calling Optimus Prime FLAMES!:head
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trailbreaker View Post
    Skyfire. He was Jetfire in the G1 cartoon. They had to change his name, and his character model, for the show because the Jetfire toy was actually derived from one of Takara's competitors in Japan. (of course that was 25 years ago, things have changed since then, but still.)
    Actually in the G1 cartoon he was called Skyfire, it was the toy which was called Jetfire. The toy is VF-1 Battroid Valkyrie from Takatoku Toys and seen in Robotech/Macross and animated as a triple changer based on the toy design which was released in 1983. The original Soundwave toy (before becoming Soundwave with takara/hasbro) was released mid 70s, most original G1 toys were just rerelease`s/repaints etc of toys released in one form or another over 25 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimboslo View Post
    Actually in the G1 cartoon he was called Skyfire, it was the toy which was called Jetfire. The toy is VF-1 Battroid Valkyrie from Takatoku Toys and seen in Robotech/Macross and animated as a triple changer based on the toy design which was released in 1983. The original Soundwave toy (before becoming Soundwave with takara/hasbro) was released mid 70s, most original G1 toys were just rerelease`s/repaints etc of toys released in one form or another over 25 years ago.
    Woops! That was a typo. I meant that he was Skyfire in the cartoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jafs81 View Post
    Sure, but still not the same thing.

    Or were the Babylonians considered Iraqi? Geographically, they still lived in Iraq.
    I dunno, I'm just going by what the Wikipedia article said.

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    You know what - I don't give a sh@$ how they call the Ferrari in the movie, but I know one thing for sure:



    SPOILERS

    The Ferrari is red in the movie and there will be scenes in which he'll be invisible. So I don't care if he's called Mirage or Sylvester Stallone.

    SPOILERS

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    I'm gonna laugh at all of the naysayers and conspiracy theorists when it turns out that Nelson and Mike have been truthful the whole time.

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    enzo huh could be endzone maybe ?

    Rush sounds awesome though but whatever his name is it will not effect the movie in any way so I don't see what the big deal is.

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    as i atated in other thread the image of red robot in trailer is nothing like image on toy box.

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albershide View Post

    there will be scenes in which he'll be invisible.


    And unless it is a new bot invented by Bay, Mirage would be the only logical choice.

    'Nuff said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimboslo View Post
    The original Soundwave toy (before becoming Soundwave with takara/hasbro) was released mid 70s, most original G1 toys were just rerelease`s/repaints etc of toys released in one form or another over 25 years ago.
    Micro Change Cassette Man wasn't released until 1983.
    http://www.microforever.com/MC10cassetteman.htm

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    the only reason people are saying that the red farrari is mirage is because there was a red bot in the prequel comics called mirage. Notice I say bot as he was not seen in his earth form so mirage could infact be in the film as a different earth mode. Then again he may not be in the film. I mean wheeljack has not been confirmed in the movie so he may not be there.

    we will all find out very shortly what the ferrari is called like thats gonna spoil the movie if its not mirage not for me. A name is a name thats all.


    if it has an italian accent Im going for the name of GALILEO

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    Are we sure this is even the Ferrari? On all the other car or truck u can usually spot the wheels on them pretty easily, I can't see anything on this bot tho, im gunna take a guess and say his name might be "the situation" ???

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    think this might be why he had the code name "enzo" in the scripts?

    Enzo Ferrari
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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trailbreaker View Post
    I assume everyone here wants to play a guessing game now?

    Here, have fun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italians

    My guesses:

    Benito Mussolini
    Pope Alexander III
    Julius Caesar
    Leonardo da Vinci
    The Most Interesting Man in the World (Oh wait, that guy's Spanish isn't he?)

    Mussolini, really? i wouldnt consider him a great Italian....

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowed View Post
    think this might be why he had the code name "enzo" in the scripts?

    Enzo Ferrari
    no shit Sherlock...


    so not mirage or just another statement on the mis-information campaign ... don't really care but calling a Transformer Enzo .... that is just lame

    Bay sort yourself out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niven View Post
    no shit Sherlock...



    Bay sort yourself out

    Niven, Sort yourself out and stop disrespecting Michael Bay on his own site.

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    You gotta be kidding. Maybe you havn't watched the new t.v. spot yet, or refuse not to because you don't want to be "spoiled" but there is a red "bot" in the new TV spot that IS the same "bot" as seen in the Children's picture book. The name happens to be Mirage. (This also goes for Wheeljack, who has also been spotted in the trailer) They're both in the movie.
    TF3ChildrensBookMirage.jpg
    http://s470.photobucket.com/albums/r...e.jpg&newest=1


    Quote Originally Posted by Faceh View Post
    the only reason people are saying that the red farrari is mirage is because there was a red bot in the prequel comics called mirage. Notice I say bot as he was not seen in his earth form so mirage could infact be in the film as a different earth mode. Then again he may not be in the film. I mean wheeljack has not been confirmed in the movie so he may not be there.

    we will all find out very shortly what the ferrari is called like thats gonna spoil the movie if its not mirage not for me. A name is a name thats all.


    if it has an italian accent Im going for the name of GALILEO

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    Default Re: Nelson, if not mirage in the film who is the red robot?

    Quote Originally Posted by EastwoodClinton View Post
    You gotta be kidding. Maybe you havn't watched the new t.v. spot yet, or refuse not to because you don't want to be "spoiled" but there is a red "bot" in the new TV spot that IS the same "bot" as seen in the Children's picture book. The name happens to be Mirage. (This also goes for Wheeljack, who has also been spotted in the trailer) They're both in the movie.
    TF3ChildrensBookMirage.jpg
    http://s470.photobucket.com/albums/r...e.jpg&newest=1
    dont get pissy nelson said it

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