CGI Models from movie to movie

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Ermm.. ill leave this up to the professionals of ILM.

but IMHO TF1 looked great but not as much detailed as ROTF, reflectiveness goes with the cleanness of the cars.

Exactly! i dont know where people
are coming up with the cg looked bad in ROTF????
it looked much better than TF1, in my opinion.
im sure thats one of the things in ROTF that
they tried to improve and perfect.

i think the cg looked better, newer, and moer real. No offense,
but this thread doesnt make sense....in my opinion

[EastwoodClinton]

You obviously watched a downscaled low res pirated copy then.
Watch the BluRay on a good tv or projector system and then maybe you will see how much detailed the CGI on Transformers2 is even compared to the first movie. Transformers1 CGI wasn't as much detailed.

I wouldn't even know where or how to get a pirated, low scale quality version of ROTF. We're all talking about the SAME movie here, the SAME version you watched, whether it's regular dvd, or blu ray, I'm assuming most people watching movies here have a decent enough t.v. to watch it on. It's not about the tech people have at their homes. It's the movie itself. The CGI was rushed. You should know if you watched Micahel Bay himself talking about the situation in the commentary. End of discussion.

[wingzero]

I wouldn't even know where or how to get a pirated, low scale quality version of ROTF. We're all talking about the SAME movie here, the SAME version you watched, whether it's regular dvd, or blu ray, I'm assuming most people watching movies here have a decent enough t.v. to watch it on. It's not about the tech people have at their homes. It's the movie itself. The CGI was rushed. You should know if you watched Micahel Bay himself talking about the situation in the commentary. End of discussion.

You obviously didn't understand what Michael Bay was telling there. He couldn't have bashed ILM CGI on Transformers2 because it's way better than the first movie. He was sorry for not having had time to make the movie feel less rushed, refined but there is nothing wrong with CGI.
If you think that watching the DVD is the same as watching the BluRay editions then you really have no clue. You can have the original DVD but whatever upscaling player/device you used it wouldn't turn it into a BluRay nor a very highbitrate Digital2K or Digital IMAX version. The DVD means having lost 70%-80% of temporal and spatial details, very low standard resolution and quite bad temporal interpolation.

[I Fight Giant Robots]

I wouldn't even know where or how to get a pirated, low scale quality version of ROTF. We're all talking about the SAME movie here, the SAME version you watched, whether it's regular dvd, or blu ray, I'm assuming most people watching movies here have a decent enough t.v. to watch it on. It's not about the tech people have at their homes. It's the movie itself. The CGI was rushed. You should know if you watched Micahel Bay himself talking about the situation in the commentary. End of discussion.

the cgi never goes wrong in a transformers movie, in my opinion. Michael
won't let it. ROTF improved significantly. ROTF looked newer, and more real than the first.
name ONE Scene where the cgi looked rushed. and yes, i know what you mean by michael talking about how he had to finish the movie the day of the premiere. but it stilll turned out good!

[IHeartBayhem]

I think both films have some extremely beautiful CGI shots, but if I had to choose with overall quality, I would have to pick the first movie. Keep in mind that I don't think that there is one ugly or awful CGI shot in either movie, but what was bothersome in the 2nd movie was that the motion blur was intentionally removed from a few scenes in the film (as stated in the Commentary or the Documentary) to try to make it blend in more with the film.

I think it created the opposite effect, it stood out more, and looked like the greatest stop motion animation in history. The movie Monster House comes to mind when describing some of the CGI in ROTF when it comes to movement.

Did it bother anyone else in ROTF when CGI characters (namely the Twins) would disappear and reappear in some shots? The most obvious is when they find the massive doorway in the mountains of Egypt. During the pan, the human walk in, and before the cut, we see the Twins helping each other inside. After the cut, the Twins disappear entirely, then reappear at the doorway for their little scuffle. That bugged me a little bit.

But when the CG in the film is on, (like the opening scene, 95% of The NEST debriefing, the Forest Fight, etc) it's absolutely gorgeous. I just think the CG in TF1 (which really needs it's own subtitle by now LOL) was practically flawless.

[wingzero]

I think both films have some extremely beautiful CGI shots, but if I had to choose with overall quality, I would have to pick the first movie. Keep in mind that I don't think that there is one ugly or awful CGI shot in either movie, but what was bothersome in the 2nd movie was that the motion blur was intentionally removed from a few scenes in the film (as stated in the Commentary or the Documentary) to try to make it blend in more with the film.

I think it created the opposite effect, it stood out more, and looked like the greatest stop motion animation in history. The movie Monster House comes to mind when describing some of the CGI in ROTF when it comes to movement.

Stop motion? You want to see CGI looking like stop motion then look that on Avatar, all the mechas move like puppets as well as the aliens and creatures, they don't look real at all.
There is no stop motion like effect at all on Transformers2 CGI, it looks crystal clear and way more photorealistic than the first one. Don't know why you and others complain about stop motion like movements that just aren't there at all. All the CGI moves smoother, it's easier for eyes to track everything on screen even when they are moving fast, while on the first movie the temporal resolution wasn't that high.

[swishbig]

I liked the way the ROTF CGI displayed the emotion of the robots. They seem more lively and interactive around the humans. The first one was good too but you can tell that all the models/CGI in the second film contain more detailed facial appearance in the robots.

[Crainy]

You obviously watched a downscaled low res pirated copy then.
Watch the BluRay on a good tv or projector system and then maybe you will see how much detailed the CGI on Transformers2 is even compared to the first movie. Transformers1 CGI wasn't as much detailed.

And you obviously are retarded. The only way to see the CGI mistakes is by watching the blu-ray. Also, Optimus Primes model in ROTF has less detail than in TF1, same goes for Bumblebee and all the other bots that were in in TF1. And i must know it, i studied the designs.
The only character that had more detail was devastator. He looked great. But thats about it.

Seriously, as more as i watch TF2, i begin to question if it even deserved to get nominated for best special effects by the academy... theres alot wrong with the visual effects.

[Albershide]

Seriously, as more as i watch TF2, i begin to question if it even deserved to get nominated for best special effects by the academy... theres alot wrong with the visual effects.

Well actually it didn't get a nomination.
The only three nominees were Avatar, District 9 and Star Trek.

[wingzero]

And you obviously are retarded. The only way to see the CGI mistakes is by watching the blu-ray. Also, Optimus Primes model in ROTF has less detail than in TF1, same goes for Bumblebee and all the other bots that were in in TF1. And i must know it, i studied the designs.
The only character that had more detail was devastator. He looked great. But thats about it.

Seriously, as more as i watch TF2, i begin to question if it even deserved to get nominated for best special effects by the academy... theres alot wrong with the visual effects.

Do you seriously think that insulting me is going to turn your words into truth? How old are you,really? You act like a uneducated kid.

Whatever you are trying to complain about Transformers2 CGI is a lie. There is nothing to discuss about. You and others here telling that Transformers2 CGI would be less detailed and flawed are either telling a bunch of lies on purpose to bash ILM for whatever reason or you just watched pirated copies on small screens. It's as simple as that.
Whoever watched the movie in theaters at least Digital2K projector equipped ones or Digital IMAX better yet and then got the BluRay watching it on no less than 40-46" HDTV 1080p plasma or LCD screen or better yet 80-110"+ screen with 1080p DLP/DILA/SXRD projectors surely knows that Transformers2 CGI is topnotch and way more detailed than anything seen on the first movie.
Optimus Prime CGI model is way more detailed than anything seen on Transformers1 as well. It really seems that you didn't watch the movie maybe you watched it on a cell phone some pirated copy. The Transformers2 Forest Battle Scene looks bad CGI to you so,uh? And Optimus Prime is not detailed enough there,WHAT?

[IHeartBayhem]

Opinions? What's that?

[The Gr33n carD]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!:lmao

[IHeartBayhem]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!:lmao

LOL there's no point in fighting. It can lead to bannings, and I don't want that.

Speaking for myself, though.

[Crainy]

Well actually it didn't get a nomination.
The only three nominees were Avatar, District 9 and Star Trek.

My point exactly.

Try to pay really good attention to the CGI and you´ll find a mistake in every second scene.

[wingzero]

Opinions? What's that?

It's not a matter of having personal opinions. CGI being detailed or not is a fact there is no discussion and ILM CGI on Transformers2 is top-notch. Whoever disagrees either didn't watch the movies or did watch some pirated copy on a tiny screen.
The guy above is claiming that the CGI is flawed every second... I might think that he got an agenda for bashing ILM excellent work on the movie otherwise he must be a little kid trying to start a flame war telling lies and nonsense.

[vipe99]

name ONE Scene where the cgi looked rushed.

do you remember the scene in the c 130 where the dude got sucked out of the plane. That was terrible cgi. IMO

[chatterbox]

in my fact based research, rotf was a little bit worst than avatar in terms of cgi.

[sevsman]

do you remember the scene in the c 130 where the dude got sucked out of the plane. That was terrible cgi. IMO

Where abouts in the film was that mate?

I love seeing the parts with rendering that was worse than when Megatron held Starscream up and a hatchling slid over his shoulder.

Infact all the Nemesis related scenes where a huge fail to me...

[Niven]

CGI? whats that?

[sevsman]

It's not a matter of having personal opinions. CGI being detailed or not is a fact there is no discussion and ILM CGI on Transformers2 is top-notch.

If it's not opinions that count on something that is all about opinions and therefor financial return, can we see some factual input that holds your theory's true and shows that it's not just you saying what is obviously right in your own mind?

I think the fact that most people here prefer the CGI in TF1 holds a pretty good argument that the CGI overall was worse in ROTF.

Some of the CGI was completely flawless but pretty much anything D-con related was pushed to the side and left to be dealt with at the last moment when time and money were sparse.

Just my OPINION though, although opinions don't count :wtf

[sevsman]

Devastator was good but that was about it for D-cons.

Oh and it was a blu ray on a 50" screen. And no it wasn't a shitty copy, player or tv before you try and go that route. Why even go on about pirated copy's?

This is an enthusiast forum so I would think that everyone here has seen it in REAL dvd atleast.
Your arguement on that route holds absolutely no salt at all as for as I'm concerned.

[sevsman]

CGI? whats that?

Joke post?

Computer generated imagery

Sorry if it's not though

[vipe99]

Where abouts in the film was that mate?

I love seeing the parts with rendering that was worse than when Megatron held Starscream up and a hatchling slid over his shoulder.

Infact all the Nemesis related scenes where a huge fail to me...

when the soldiers get called in and pretend the c 130 is going down

[Niven]

Joke post?

Computer generated imagery

Sorry if it's not though

yes joke post always wanted to do that....

[lightning]

i don't know, tf2 looks awesome to me. the robot cgi looks so realistic.