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    I've loved the Transformers since the very beginning. I've watched the original series as a kid, watched the hell out of the animated movie, and bought nearly every comic book made. But I only LIKED the new movie. The robots looked great, but story just wasn't great. Shia & Megan's storyline was great, special forces were too, as well as the Section 7 element. What was pure crap was the parents! After Bumblebee was introduced, they just weren't needed. Then there's the crap w/ them crawling around the house, and the parent's giving and interview was just stupid! The easiest way to fix this problem is to have long time Transformer's writer Simon Furman. If anyone can fix the crap that was already done...he can!

    Resurrect Megatron!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOutlawX View Post
    I've loved the Transformers since the very beginning. I've watched the original series as a kid, watched the hell out of the animated movie, and bought nearly every comic book made. But I only LIKED the new movie. The robots looked great, but story just wasn't great. Shia & Megan's storyline was great, special forces were too, as well as the Section 7 element. What was pure crap was the parents! After Bumblebee was introduced, they just weren't needed. Then there's the crap w/ them crawling around the house, and the parent's giving and interview was just stupid! The easiest way to fix this problem is to have long time Transformer's writer Simon Furman. If anyone can fix the crap that was already done...he can!

    Resurrect Megatron!

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    The movie has to appeal to general audiences and not only fanboys.

    The movie worked well, so deal with it.

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    I love Furmans work on TFs' comics throughout the years, but the guy can't write a decent human character to save his life. A skill which is pretty much essential in live action.

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    Beej Awe, were you calling the writers hacks? Sticks, stones, takes one to know one... hey... So not polite at all, and didn't your mother ever teach you to...er, nevermind. And maybe Simon was busy when the agent called... who knows exactly what happens.


    I grow up watching and reading any thing to do with TF in the 80s. I loved it how it realy had nothing to do with any thing from the 80s or the 90s. It was all new and original. TF made there mark back in the 80s and it have now made a new mark in 2007.

    Hell the whole team that work on the film did a frikin good job. So i hope they just keep going and making the next one better or just as good.

    Like NELSON said : The movie has to appeal to general audiences and not only fanboys.
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    sorry man..while i can some what agree that the story could have been just alightly better, it did it's job and i am 100% fine with it. I've always wondered how so many big budget movies suck so much though. Studios pump millions and millions into them, yet they cant hire decent writers. But thats a thread topic for another time.

    But dude...come on...the parents?! The parents were fuckin great! They better be in the new one. Everyone loved the parents!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beej View Post
    Were you talking to me?
    no Beej i tryed just quoting some of your reply but it did not work.

    i was agreeing with what you said.

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    I think Beej i will just stick copying full quotes.not quote and try to edit them for the patrs i just need.

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    The movie has to appeal to general audiences and not only fanboys.



    So what was the George Bush scene, or the Moutain Dew scene appealing too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beej View Post
    Practice makes perfect. You just keep trying.
    Its not worth it if i make people think i'm attacking there reply's like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beej View Post
    No harm, no foul. No guts, no glory. Really, now I am out of cliches.
    I use them when i'm at work if i stuff up big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Ballard View Post
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    So what was the George Bush scene, or the Moutain Dew scene appealing too?
    Comedy relief for the general audience and ad placement.

    Anything wrong with that?

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    orci, kurtzman and kruger have a tough job on their hands. i hope they can make a more intriguing story line for the sequel but this writers strike is not helping. i also wanted simon's involvement in this movie, but more of a consultant. i hope he gets in there at one point in time.

    roberto, if your out there, have you ever been in contact with simon furman at one point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    The movie has to appeal to general audiences and not only fanboys.

    The movie worked well, so deal with it.

    I couldn't agree more. The "parents" bit was hilarious.

    This movie was a fresh take on Transformers. If the story was exactly the same as the original series, it would be nothing more than a rerun.....booooooring

    The trekkies will cry about the remake of star trek just the same...

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Ballard View Post
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    So what was the George Bush scene, or the Moutain Dew scene appealing too?

    Mountain Dew machine, Xbox and Evil Transformer Car where great. Hope they apear as "bad guys" in TF2

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    Rant removed due to being full of AIDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dman View Post
    Okay, I realize that Michael Bay is an infinite genious, but I have to agree that the story was awful. I'm not even a fan of G1 and I'm saying this. There were parts that took too long, parts that didn't make sense, and points in the movie that simply weren't necessary.

    What happens to Scorponok when the battle in the desert was over? Did he just disappear? Perhaps back into his trailer, because Michael said his scene was over, instead of disappearing for reasons driven by the plot IN THE MOVIE.

    Why did Optimus choose not to go after Bumblebee when the Sec. 7 took him? His excuse was "he cannot harm the humans," and yet he had just released MikalARGH and Sam from a vehicle by lifting them up 30 feet and dropping them, tearing off the roof of a car and shattering glass, both of which had the potential to slice into someone and kill them? Would we get another rib-ticklingly hilarious "Oops, my bad" from Optimus if someone HAD died? Also, couldn't Jazz have disarmed everyone?
    I'm just saying they COULD have done something, but once again, it must have been the director, the omni-being who obviously has total control of the world of Transformers, and not the plot, which should be controlling things, who told them they couldn't. It would have gone differently if the plot driving their actions, and these established "rules of conduct" had been used logically and not just where Michael Bay, the infinate genious that he is, hadn't picked and chosen where they should apply to.

    Why do we need to take half an hour to get to know two stereotypical high schoolers? A scene like this doesn't have to take up so much time, and honestly, nobody cares that much about Shia's crush on some chick who Mike Bay only chose because "she had a nice stomach." Can't act, she's interesting up to the point that she has tits. Once you get used to seeing her, the movie slows down a lot.
    It's a movie about an interstellar war between two factions of giant, shape-shifting robots. Why did I feel like I had been watching MTV for the first 30 minutes? Let me tell you that I don't share Mike's appreciation for "nice, flat stomachs." I can't stand thin chicks like her (or thin chicks in general, actually), so the 30 minutes got real old real fast. Then, once you figure out that they're just trying to use Megan to distract you from the fact that the story has basically halted, it makes you hate the world a little bit more.
    And yes, Megan, I do think your character and her purpose for the entire first half of the movie was incredibly SHHHHHHHAAALLLLOOOOWWWWWWW, but since you probably can't read, I won't worry about your feelings too much.

    If finding the glasses was so important, why did he take his sweet time trying to get Shia some ass? If he can't speak, aren't there other ways to communicate with Shia? Holographic displays inside of the car like he had in the comic adaption? Maybe he can pop a picture of the glasses in while Shia was driving, and that would cause Shia to swerve in surprise? It would make for a very funny scene. But come on, he's here goofing off while the Autobots are on their way.

    Why do we not get to see the final fight between Megatron and Optimus? They went through all the trouble of designing Megatron as this cool Cybertronian jet (I was one of the people who HATED his gun form in the cartoon and hoped he'd be redesigned into something more self-sufficient), had such an immense budget to work with, and you tease the audience with such cool imagry and just NOT SHOW THE FINAL FIGHT? I guess they must have had to divert some of the money for CGI to, you know, pay to keep a porn star (Michaelargh) on the payroll and pay for all of those explosions. You don't hide the final brawl between the characters who you know were going to duke it out in the end.

    And this is quite possibly the biggest problem I had with the entire movie: The backyard scene! That atrocious scene where the Autobots, completely out of character for a good 10 minutes of pointless physical gags, act like rampaging buffoons instead of the capable, dependable crack team sent out to track the Decepticons that we know them as for the rest of the movie. Hey, if they had access to the internet, wouldn't they know NOT to park in the middle of the back yard? Or maybe how to parallel park?
    Yet another moment that got too goofy for the movie's own good, and didn't bother to follow its own established elements and rules.

    But hey, you know, the explosions and pretty pictures were cool. That's all that matters. The flashy pictures. Story doesn't just take a backseat in this movie, they bind and gag it and lock it in the trunk.

    And they wanted a more complex plot.



    Listen, it's not our fault you can't understand this very basic plot or weren't playing attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dman View Post

    And this is quite possibly the biggest problem I had with the entire movie: The backyard scene! That atrocious scene where the Autobots, completely out of character for a good 10 minutes of pointless physical gags, act like rampaging buffoons instead of the capable, dependable crack team sent out to track the Decepticons that we know them as for the rest of the movie. Hey, if they had access to the internet, wouldn't they know NOT to park in the middle of the back yard? Or maybe how to parallel park?
    Yet another moment that got too goofy for the movie's own good, and didn't bother to follow its own established elements and rules.
    They were so out of character...what, the cartoon characters?

    That was the litmus test for this movie and this live action franchise, in my opinion.

    That was one of the most wonderful scenes in the movie.

    I don't understand: some people have problems with humor with something that is not meant to be taken seriously: Transformers.

    In the words of Garland Greene (Steve Buscemi): ...he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    They were so out of character...what, the cartoon characters?

    That was the litmus test for this movie and this live action franchise, in my opinion.

    That was one of the most wonderful scenes in the movie.

    I don't understand: some people have problems with humor with something that is not meant to be taken seriously: Transformers.

    In the words of Garland Greene (Steve Buscemi): ...he's so angry that moments of levity actually cause him pain; give him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts.
    Aww Nelson, don't waste your energy typing up a response.

    I don't think he deserves one to be perfectly honest.
    I'm a dog chasing cars. I don't know what I'd do if I caught one. I don't have plans. I just do things. I'm not a schemer.

    I use a knife because guns are too quick. Otherwise, you can't savor all the emotions. You know who people are in their last moments.

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    Isn't even the life itself wide-open and incomprehensible?
    I don't think this film has serious plot holes. The factors undisclosed yet are fun to imagine.

    Films can't be everyone's cup of tea. But at the same time it's the fact that this film made many people happy.

    And I love the backyard scene. It let us know Autobots were imperfect but lovable beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sora View Post
    Isn't even the life itself wide-open and incomprehensible?
    I don't think this film has serious plot holes. The factors undisclosed yet are fun to imagine.

    Films can't be everyone's cup of tea. But at the same time it's the fact that this film made many people happy.

    And I love the backyard scene. It let us know Autobots were imperfect but lovable beings.
    And impatient!

    I love the backyard scene too. Ahh, if only I could look in my backyard and find a Topkick, '09 Camaro, a big rig, and a solstice.....ahhh...one can dream, right?

    Right?
    I'm a dog chasing cars. I don't know what I'd do if I caught one. I don't have plans. I just do things. I'm not a schemer.

    I use a knife because guns are too quick. Otherwise, you can't savor all the emotions. You know who people are in their last moments.

    I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you... stranger.



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    I'm not a writers guild member, but I've worked on a few screen plays... Hire Me for TF:2 I'll work for scale!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xXRavenXx View Post
    I'm not a writers guild member, but I've worked on a few screen plays... Hire Me for TF:2 I'll work for scale!
    Hey.....me too!!!!
    I'm a dog chasing cars. I don't know what I'd do if I caught one. I don't have plans. I just do things. I'm not a schemer.

    I use a knife because guns are too quick. Otherwise, you can't savor all the emotions. You know who people are in their last moments.

    I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you... stranger.



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    Removed rant is removed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumblebee1983 View Post
    And impatient!

    I love the backyard scene too. Ahh, if only I could look in my backyard and find a Topkick, '09 Camaro, a big rig, and a solstice.....ahhh...one can dream, right?

    Right?
    Right!

    Personally, I had been sinking into deep grief past five years since I lost my beloved brother. But this film reminded of something I had forgotten. I remembered fond feeling I got when I first went to the movie theatre with my brother in childhood. It's been a long while since I enjoyed a film with all my heart. And many elements of this movie still cheers me up.

    Quote Originally Posted by xXRavenXx View Post
    I'm not a writers guild member, but I've worked on a few screen plays... Hire Me for TF:2 I'll work for scale!
    Didn't Nelson tell forum members "Please do not ask for A JOB" ? But if I may say, I'm a professional writer too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dman View Post


    That's right, because I'm not kissing Michael Bay's infinitely genius ass.





    You know what they say: get 12 chimps in a room together and eventually, one will write Hamlet.
    Whoa whoa whoa.....you're insulting two people you don't even know. You're simply judging a book by its cover.

    Get over yourself, will ya?
    I'm a dog chasing cars. I don't know what I'd do if I caught one. I don't have plans. I just do things. I'm not a schemer.

    I use a knife because guns are too quick. Otherwise, you can't savor all the emotions. You know who people are in their last moments.

    I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you... stranger.



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