Blu-Ray Bay

[OrangeCrush]

For someone that can care less you sure post a lot around here.


SLR, digital backs, medium format, etc.... they're all tools. It's the vision that matters. We've seen Bay's work, I'd like to see what your work looks like.

I have 18 posts total, You consider that alot? You have close to 2000 posts and your calling my 18 alot. Wow you have a twisted view of reality.

Sorry you couldnt be more wrong if you tried. 35mm is 100% inadequate for Architecture because you cannot correct for the convergence of lines when tilting up or tilting down and you can carry on with your its only a tool its the vision crap all day long but in the end if you dnt have the proper tools you cant do squat no matter what your vision is.

I am done with this because

1 - You stil lhavent figured out the real problem I have with what Michael said and keep harping on about me questioning his ability or expierence when I clearly have never done so.

2 - You clearly still have along way to go in your so called transition and I have zero interest in arguing with people who simply dont understand what your talking about.

The bottom line is BD and HD DVD are visually identical and you cannot name a single title on the market today that proves otherwise.

[OrangeCrush]

He feels the need to protect his own ego.

I have no ego, remember I am just a lowly Architectural photographer and I have no delusions about this field of photography as being anything but what it is. I do however only work 5 months out of the year and that I am proud of.

[KSaber]

Michael Bay has a valid point. Blu-ray can produce better quality picture and audio then HD-DVD. Why you ask? Plain and simple, more capacity means better transfer on both PQ and AQ.

Blu-ray is superior simply because:
1. more space of course, later BD will have up to 200 gb versus 51 gb.
2. BD-Java is more flexible and advance then HDi (hd-dvd).
3. BD discs are scratch resistance meaning better durability.
4. Higher bandwidth for video and audio transfer which means consistently better PQ and AQ (lossless).

And if that isn't enough to say, Blu-ray is superior then HD-DVD. You are simply a moron. The ONLY thing HD-DVD has going is cheaper price. I own both formats and I've consistently been seeing better results done on Blu-ray then HD-DVD.

[OrangeCrush]

Michael Bay has a valid point. Blu-ray can produce better quality picture and audio then HD-DVD. Why you ask? Plain and simple, more capacity means better transfer on both PQ and AQ.

Blu-ray is superior simply because:
1. more space of course, later BD will have up to 200 gb versus 51 gb.
2. BD-Java is more flexible and advance then HDi (hd-dvd).
3. BD discs are scratch resistance meaning better durability.
4. Higher bandwidth for video and audio transfer which means consistently better PQ and AQ (lossless).

And if that isn't enough to say, Blu-ray is superior then HD-DVD. You are simply a moron. The ONLY thing HD-DVD has going is cheaper price. I own both formats and I've consistently been seeing better results done on Blu-ray then HD-DVD.

LOL, another scratch person. Oh man I always love it when people use that one. Thanks for that I needed a good laugh before I hit the sack.

[zerohour]

Well to let you know, I work 365 days out of the year because I am in the military and I have zero experience in all this photography stuff you talk about and nor do I really care.

To answer that ever so question that you keep on bringing up, maybe Michael Bay knows or has seen something that nobody else has. Neither myself or you can prove this but because he says that there is a difference, we can only take his word on it. Most websites that have reviewed both formats of the same movie, probably never took into account how the process works of putting the movie onto the disk. A lot of those sites, just go by how they actually look on the screen. Some movies have terrible transfers for both formats. If you own HD-DVD, and not blu-ray, you can always still use that player to watch your movies. Nobody says that since the format is losing its supporters, doesn't mean you cannot use the hardware anymore. Just be happy with what you have.

[Mericalis]

LOL, another scratch person. Oh man I always love it when people use that one. Thanks for that I needed a good laugh before I hit the sack.

It's funny how you only picked the scratch resistance out of the statement to make a comment on--where as everything that was stated makes Blu-ray a superior technology.

[OrangeCrush]

Well to let you know, I work 365 days out of the year because I am in the military and I have zero experience in all this photography stuff you talk about and nor do I really care.

To answer that ever so question that you keep on bringing up, maybe Michael Bay knows or has seen something that nobody else has. Neither myself or you can prove this but because he says that there is a difference, we can only take his word on it. Most websites that have reviewed both formats of the same movie, probably never took into account how the process works of putting the movie onto the disk. A lot of those sites, just go by how they actually look on the screen. Some movies have terrible transfers for both formats. If you own HD-DVD, and not blu-ray, you can always still use that player to watch your movies. Nobody says that since the format is losing its supporters, doesn't mean you cannot use the hardware anymore. Just be happy with what you have.

Sorry I have owned both Blu Ray and HD DVD and if Michael Bay has seen something that we haven't why not explain it instead of giving us these ridiculous posts that go into no detail whatsoever on why he thinks what he does. I am sorry but I dont care who you are, if you dont make a proper argument then what you say means jack crap. Michael Bay can have all the experience in the world but that doesn't mean I am going to listen to what he says when he gives no explanation and it contradicts every single Hi Def site on the net. Every single Hi Def site on the net has said time and time again that the visuals for HD DVD and BD are identical and then comes Michal Bay and he says differently with no explaination and people on here eat it up like it was gospel, lol. Sorry but I dont play that game.

Maybe people wouldnt have such a big problem with what he was saying if he actually took the time to make a proper argument. Instead he comes off as sounding like a Sony advertisment.

Ill say it again there isnt a single title on the market that backs up what Michael is saying. If there is I would love to know which one it is.

[Mericalis]

To answer that ever so question that you keep on bringing up, maybe Michael Bay knows or has seen something that nobody else has. Neither myself or you can prove this but because he says that there is a difference, we can only take his word on it.

There are other people who feel their product looks better on Blu-ray. Richard Casey from R&B Films has already stated that there is a difference, although very little, in the HD DVD and Blu-ray version of Nature's Journey. And because he said the Blu version is slightly better, he gets crucified everytime he goes on a Red Fanboy site because of his comments just like Mr. Bay has lately. So, Mr. Bay you know what you want to see from your films, you shouldn't have to put up with second best.

[OrangeCrush]

It's funny how you only picked the scratch resistance out of the statement to make a comment on--where as everything that was stated makes Blu-ray a superior technology.

The other 3 were just as rediculous, they just werent as funny and those 4 statments he made have been put to bed 6-9 months ago. There is no point continuing to argue with someone that is stuck in the past.

[Bourne]

ATTENTION MR BAY...

I’ve watched transformers, besides the cheesy dialogues among the characters which we don’t care about and lot less info about the autobots,decepticons and cybertron it self, your movie has achieved one thing..which has set benchmark in visual effects..thanks to ILM and youur Digital Domain..

The only way to embrace transformers is in high def of course,and im among the hundreds of thousands of people which has bought transformers on HD DVD..at least appreciate the fact that your movie is the most highest selling HD DVD title to date and at least appreciate or stand behind the hundreds of thousands of fans which has bought the movie on HD DVD rather talk shit all the time about HD DVD....im not a fanboy..since i own 25 blu ray titles and 22 HD DVD.

One of the HD DVD movie is your movie transformers..but im preety sure you have offended alot, ALOT of HD DVD fans....of course you know more about the movie more than anyone else in this world..and of course its ok to side one format..but to bash the other format,in public is like throwing shit on hd dvd fans which has bought youur movie...

Do they deserve this?..they bought ur movie and this is what they get?...and to bash the other format which is HD DVD..which hundreds of thousands of them bought your movie on that format,is just stupid and unprofessional..

I appreciate the fact that you speak up with the public..but just stop insulting HD DVD and its fans...i love your movie,but since you keep talking shit about HD DVD and its fans,I don’t give a shit about Transformers anymore..because the way you treat your fans is just like trash just because they bought your movie on the HD DVD format...


The whole world already know blu-ray won,but just stop talking shit about it...AND APPRECIATE THE FANS..its just stupid and unprofessional to bash the other format PUBLICLY and throwing shit at the face of HD DVD fans which has bought your movie..REMEMBER THAT..you could have gave a proper comment and profesionally talk regarding HD DVD rather than talking shit about it...and just ignore the fanboys..U ARE PROFESSIONAL GODDAMNIT!..and you have lost alot of credibility after your comments...think about it!!...so quit it...and please make a good sequel, the guy get a gal thing is just stupid and unecessary...make it more serious shall u...we don’t need to know “SAM HAPPY TIME” crap what so eva…I wish ironhide should have destroyed that parents anyway….

Do you know who are you insulting MR bay? your own fanbase... people who purchased your movie...and i dont think calling them dick wards is wise..they are pissed because of your own unproffessionalism, which is bashing HD DVD since day one..


Lastly,THERE IS A THREAD A TEAMXBOX.COM...which entitled **Official 360 HDTV thread**...you must take a look at the amount of fans which appreciate your movie extremely in that thread regarding their HD DVD purchase of your movie...IM NOT PROMOTING THAT SIDE OR THREAD...im not a member anyways..but uve thrown shit on the HD DVD fans faces Bay...think about that..
Adios Amigo…

[zerohour]

Did someone spill soup on you today or what? Why do you have to be negative on this whole situation? This is the way I see it, Michael bay says he supports blu-ray and does not support hd-dvd. Ok, the man has an opinion and is willing to speak it. Then once Warner Bros. goes to blu-ray, he reiterates his statements. Then you come along and bash him like there is no tomorrow. I wonder why he would be upset? I really wonder........, it really does make me wonder if I am really talking to someone intelligent or not with the way you bash every single person on here. Why can't you just have a normal debate other then to degrade people? If you own both formats, then why all the fuss? You leave too many questions open in your replys and yet, all you do is make fun of everyone else, claiming your a superior God.

[OrangeCrush]

There are other people who feel their product looks better on Blu-ray. Richard Casey from R&B Films has already stated that there is a difference, although very little, in the HD DVD and Blu-ray version of Nature's Journey. And because he said the Blu version is slightly better, he gets crucified everytime he goes on a Red Fanboy site because of his comments just like Mr. Bay has lately. So, Mr. Bay you know what you want to see from your films, you shouldn't have to put up with second best.

The problem there is unless you actually encoded the films you have no idea why there is a difference in picture quality. It could something as simple as the encoders increasing the sharpness by a tad bit or using different parameters on the encode. It doesnt prove for a second that BD is capable of better picture quality. If you understood anything about encoding you would understand that there are a thousand different things you can do to alter the image quality. Again the people who did the BD encode could have increased the sharpness. That would make some people think that BD was cpable of a sharper picture quality but that couldnt be farther from the truth. It just happens to be the way they encoded them.

[KSaber]

Ill say it again there isnt a single title on the market that backs up what Michael is saying. If there is I would love to know which one it is.

LOL! You don't get it do you??? Titles that are produce on both formats, it goes by the lowest common denominator which is HD-DVD so you're going to see the same results, at times you might get lossless audio on BD that you won't get on HD-DVD but when movies come exclusively for Blu-ray, you get better results.

Now when Transformers comes out on Blu-ray, it will have a higher bandwidth for video transfer then HD-DVD due to extra space. So what does that mean? Less grain in the dark scenes. Less noise throughout the whole movie. As for audio, the HD-DVD version is missing LOSSLESS so you'll get that on Blu-ray, sucks that I had to buy an inferior copy of Transformers because of HD-DVD!!

[OrangeCrush]

Did someone spill soup on you today or what? Why do you have to be negative on this whole situation? This is the way I see it, Michael bay says he supports blu-ray and does not support hd-dvd. Ok, the man has an opinion and is willing to speak it. Then once Warner Bros. goes to blu-ray, he reiterates his statements. Then you come along and bash him like there is no tomorrow. I wonder why he would be upset? I really wonder........, it really does make me wonder if I am really talking to someone intelligent or not with the way you bash every single person on here. Why can't you just have a normal debate other then to degrade people? If you own both formats, then why all the fuss? You leave too many questions open in your replys and yet, all you do is make fun of everyone else, claiming your a superior God.

Yawn, what a bunch of crap. If you want to make a serious post ill be happy to reply to it. I am a god, lol.

[Mericalis]

The other 3 were just as rediculous, they just werent as funny and those 4 statments he made have been put to bed 6-9 months ago. There is no point continuing to argue with someone that is stuck in the past.

What makes them so ridiculous?

With 1080p not being the final Hi-def possibility, you will have to make more room for information. HD DVD is limited greatly compared to the Blu-ray format (there are only so many layers you can put on one disc without it being corrupted).

Also, it has already been proven by several reviewers that the PQ and AQ of Blu-ray is slightly better because of the higher bitrate capabilities.

But as Nelson has stated, you seem to only care about your opinion in this matter as you have become continually confrontational with the moderator of Mr. Bay's site. So, again there is no use in pointing out the superior concepts of Blu-ray to you.

And on a sidenote, thank you for your amusing ideas of photography, they are a good laugh as well.

[OrangeCrush]

LOL! You don't get it do you??? Titles that are produce on both formats, it goes by the lowest common denominator which is HD-DVD so you're going to see the same results, at times you might get lossless audio on BD that you won't get on HD-DVD but when movies come exclusively for Blu-ray, you get better results.

Now when Transformers comes out on Blu-ray, it will have a higher bandwidth for video transfer then HD-DVD due to extra space. So what does that mean? Less grain in the dark scenes. Less noise throughout the whole movie. As for audio, the HD-DVD version is missing LOSSLESS so you'll get that on Blu-ray, sucks that I had to buy an inferior copy of Transformers because of HD-DVD!!

Oh no I do get it. I fully understand how the encodes are done and that changes nothing. You cant pick out a single BD title, even exclusive, that has a picture quality that is above what HD DVD has put out. There must be what, 100 Blu Ray exclusives now if not more. Again not a single one of those titles has a picture quality that is above what HD DVD has done.

[zerohour]

Yawn, what a bunch of crap. If you want to make a serious post ill be happy to reply to it. I am a god, lol.

Interesting, it was a serious post and yet, there you go again spewing nonsense into this thread. I have tried to make this a an arguement with no bashing and I have not once degraded you.

[OrangeCrush]

What makes them so ridiculous?

With 1080p not being the final Hi-def possibility, you will have to make more room for information. HD DVD is limited greatly compared to the Blu-ray format (there are only so many layers you can put on one disc without it being corrupted).

Also, it has already been proven by several reviewers that the PQ and AQ of Blu-ray is slightly better because of the higher bitrate capabilities.

But as Nelson has stated, you seem to only care about your opinion in this matter as you have become continually confrontational with the moderator of Mr. Bay's site. So, again there is no use in pointing out the superior concepts of Blu-ray to you.

And on a sidenote, thank you for your amusing ideas of photography, they are a good laugh as well.

Sorry not gonna go there. Again those 4 points have been beaten to death over the last year and every single one of them have been refuted time and time again on pretty much every HD site out there. If your really cusrious just go to HI Def Digest and do a search on those issues. Youll find plenty of them. I for one am not gonna go down that path again. They have been proven BS time and time again.

As for the photo lesson no problem. Anything else you need to know just ask.

[OrangeCrush]

Interesting, it was a serious post and yet, there you go again spewing nonsense into this thread. I have tried to make this a an arguement with no bashing and I have not once degraded you.

Sorry but any post that you make where you claim that I am claiming that I am a god, well I am not going to take it very seriously. Sorry.

[Mericalis]

The problem there is unless you actually encoded the films you have no idea why there is a difference in picture quality. It could something as simple as the encoders increasing the sharpness by a tad bit or using different parameters on the encode. It doesnt prove for a second that BD is capable of better picture quality. If you understood anything about encoding you would understand that there are a thousand different things you can do to alter the image quality. Again the people who did the BD encode could have increased the sharpness. That would make some people think that BD was cpable of a sharper picture quality but that couldnt be farther from the truth. It just happens to be the way they encoded them.

Hmm, interesting...I thought you just said earlier there is no difference in any of the same titles, then you've just shot yourself in the foot if you state that there may be some tweaking done--maybe that in itself makes Blu better. As it appears here that this title may be an exception to the rule? Anyway, your comments are still quite humorous and fun to read...please keep it up as you are making yourself look more and more awkward cutting down the opinion of the one person who's opinion really counts when it comes to Transformers. Besides, it will be out soon enough on Blu-ray and we'll see what happens then.

[zerohour]

Sorry but any post that you make where you claim that I am claiming that I am a god, well I am not going to take it very seriously. Sorry.

You never once did claim that, yes but why I said that in those words is in the text of how you type. Once you read how the text is written in your reply's, you can clearly see that you do believe that you are superior, which is why I said that.

[RangerSix]

The bottom line is BD and HD DVD are visually identical and you cannot name a single title on the market today that proves otherwise.

Wrong. HD-DVD is an inferior format.

When a video encode is fully optimized to the strength of the format, in this case BD, there WILL be visual differences in the presentation. Whether you can see them or not is purely subjective and based on the quality of your presentation device.

For the life of me, I will never understand this “good enough” mentality that so many HD-DVD supporters seem so willing to embrace. Especially when you consider that BD has 40 percent more disc capacity, 25 percent more bandwidth, almost the entire CE industry backing it, and most of the studio support.

I am going to start calling you HD-DVD supporters Saint Jude’s Flock (the followers of lost causes and mediocre formats).

[KSaber]

Oh no I do get it. I fully understand how the encodes are done and that changes nothing. You cant pick out a single BD title, even exclusive, that has a picture quality that is above what HD DVD has put out. There must be what, 100 Blu Ray exclusives now if not more. Again not a single one of those titles has a picture quality that is above what HD DVD has done.

Okay both formats have it's high PQ titles and I understand that both BD/HD-DVD players can play all three codecs (MPEG-4, MPEG-2 & VC-1). What Bay is saying is that when Transformers do come out on Blu-ray, it's going to look better due to higher bandwidth for video codec which he's right.

[OrangeCrush]

Hmm, interesting...I thought you just said earlier there is no difference in any of the same titles, then you've just shot yourself in the foot if you state that there may be some tweaking done--maybe that in itself makes Blu better. As it appears here that this title may be an exception to the rule? Anyway, your comments are still quite humorous and fun to read...please keep it up as you are making yourself look more and more awkward cutting down the opinion of the one person who's opinion really counts when it comes to Transformers. Besides, it will be out soon enough on Blu-ray and we'll see what happens then.

No I said that there is not a single title out there that proves that BD has better PQ than HD DVD. There have actually been a very small handful, like 4 or 5 that I personally remember, dual format releases where people have claimed to see a small difference in picture quality. Its also important to not that with those 4-5 titles that the reviewers specifically said that neither one was better than the other one they were just slightly different. Again unless your the encoder you have no clue why there are discrepancies in the picture quality. Again it could be as simply as tweaking the sharpness. Its also important to note that a few dual format releases have used different codecs with the BD version usually using AVC and the HD DVD version using VC-1

[Mericalis]

There must be what, 100 Blu Ray exclusives now if not more. Again not a single one of those titles has a picture quality that is above what HD DVD has done.

LOL...you must not have heard of a disc called Ratatouille? Even HDD has it rated higher than TF or any other as far as PQ. Sorry friend, but if Mr. Bracke praises it that highly, I believe it's better--he's always been the most unforgiving when it comes to transfers.