Why Unicron Will NOT Work.

[Hotwire]

For the love of God! Again with the Unicron BS! He is simply too big to be done right. For reference, check out the pic below...

Now, seeing as Prime is 32ft tall in this continuity, that would make that red line 12,800ft tall. That's not even 2.5 miles. For those suggesting that Unicron is the Moon, the moon is about 2160 miles wide or roughly 356,400 time larger than Prime. Anyone wanna try putting those two object on screen effectively? You know, like having a conversation like they did in the cartoon.

If they were to put Unicron on screen, fans are going to want to see him talking to other Transformers. Now assuming that Unicron is the size of the moon, and an average Transformer head measures 3 ft, times 356,000, would make Unicron's head 200 miles high!

Just how would you make that scene work? Prime at 32 ft tall looking at a 200 MILE tall head! Go for it.

[Lbrosfilm]

While I agree with you that it won't work, I'm still going to say that it would be freaking awesome!

[davidargile]

For the love of God! Again with the Unicron BS! He is simply too big to be done right. For reference, check out the pic below...

Now, seeing as Prime is 32ft tall in this continuity, that would make that red line 12,800ft tall. That's not even 2.5 miles. For those suggesting that Unicron is the Moon, the moon is about 2160 miles wide or roughly 356,400 time larger than Prime. Anyone wanna try putting those two object on screen effectively? You know, like having a conversation like they did in the cartoon.

If they were to put Unicron on screen, fans are going to want to see him talking to other Transformers. Now assuming that Unicron is the size of the moon, and an average Transformer head measures 3 ft, times 356,000, would make Unicron's head 200 miles high!

Just how would you make that scene work? Prime at 32 ft tall looking at a 200 MILE tall head! Go for it.

Well you make a good point on size etc in relation to unicron and the autobots/decepticons. I dont personally think unicron is the moon but I do think that unicron may be in the movie. He may not be a giant eating planet but may be a larger robot that could be in the ending of the movie. I personally think unicron could be the old truck because of the horns on it. I seen something in transformers prime where cliffjumper had similar horns on him in car mode when he transformed the horns became part of his head and unicron did have horns. Its a stupid thought about the fuel truck. I do think unicron might be in it though but we will have to wait and see

[Trailbreaker]

Ahh I remember that one scene where Unicron ate Galvatron. Galvatron must have had to been the size of the UK for something like that to happen.

This article pretty much sums up why Unicron in the live action universe would be insanely outrageous.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Scale#Planets_and_planetbots

Unicron is a more extreme problem. Assuming no size changing occurs during his transformation (and really, what possible reason would he have to become smaller?), in robot mode he would be so massive that any shot featuring a recognizable part of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be on a scale such that no normal Transformer would even be visible.

Scenes in the 1986 movie in which he directly interacts with normal Cybertronians are blatantly absurd (though totally phat-looking). Shots such as the Dinobots fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye, impaling Brainstorm on his fingernail, or especially him picking up Galvatron between his fingers before swallowing him, break any concept of "planetary" scale.

[Crainy]

Even if someone wanted to do it, it could NEVER be done. And no, i dont mean it cant be done right. It CANT be done. Its impossible. If Optimus Prime would look at Unicrons talking head, all he would see would be a HUUUUGGGEEEEEEEEE grey wand.

Well, he could communicate through other robots or maybe through displays, but a direct conversation or interaction in any way is not possible.

[Duracell Bunny]

What would be the point of having Unicron that ridiculous size anyway?

EAT PLANET

end of film.

No thanks.

[Trailbreaker]

Well, he could communicate through other robots or maybe through displays, but a direct conversation or interaction in any way is not possible.

Like Sideways in Armada!

Wanna know another problem with Unicron? He has no real practical reason to have a two modes. He's better off as a planet. Just think about it, if you're a planet sized machine that everyone can clearly notice who has a Death Star laser/vacuum vortex combo that can blow up a planet right on the spot, why the hell would you have to turn into a robot? To punch a big hole in the planet because it's so much fun?

Or it could be the other way around. If you're a giant planet sized robot, why the hell would you have to have a planet alternate mode? Because its more compact and aerodynamic for moving around? There's no air resistance or gravity in space!

Anybody ever played the PS2 Transformers video game from Atari way back in 2004? The final battle involved your character fighting Unicron...in his planet mode. While it kinda sucked that you didn't get to see his robot mode, it made a lot more sense.

[redqueenar]

[What I said last time this came up. I'll wait while you go find it.]

[Trailbreaker]

[What I said last time this came up. I'll wait while you go find it.]

Found it! But I'm not telling anybody where it is.

[DK Prime]

For the love of God! Again with the Unicron BS! He is simply too big to be done right. For reference, check out the pic below...

Now, seeing as Prime is 32ft tall in this continuity, that would make that red line 12,800ft tall. That's not even 2.5 miles. For those suggesting that Unicron is the Moon, the moon is about 2160 miles wide or roughly 356,400 time larger than Prime. Anyone wanna try putting those two object on screen effectively? You know, like having a conversation like they did in the cartoon.

If they were to put Unicron on screen, fans are going to want to see him talking to other Transformers. Now assuming that Unicron is the size of the moon, and an average Transformer head measures 3 ft, times 356,000, would make Unicron's head 200 miles high!

Just how would you make that scene work? Prime at 32 ft tall looking at a 200 MILE tall head! Go for it.

Ehhh sorry..but the specs I have of Optimus states him as only 28 feet tall. But you are absolutely right..Unicron is just too big to be done correctly. And the whole Unicron idea is just not appealing to me.

[Johnd818]

Unicron can't be in this film. He was already destroyed by Keanu Reeves...no wait, he was destroyed by the silver dude on the surf board...no wait that wasn't him either.

Unicron = planet eater = already overdone and stupid. This is one transformers character from my childhood I hope stays out of Bay's adaptation of the franchise. I hated the idea of him as a child and despise the idea of him as an adult. There are still many, MANY other great concepts to go with over going with something that's already been done and has proven to be a bad idea. Plus Bay doesn't owe anything to die hard transfans, which are the ones that most want to see Unicron. He also has to appeal to the average movie fan. I'm sure they've seen enough planet eating failures on the big screen... Just my two cents. (Maybe three or four.)

[Trailbreaker]

Also, if you keep in mind the laws of physics, Unicron's very presence would be enough to destroy humanity. All he would have to do is sit there. Why? His gravity would throw the Earth's rotation and the Moon's orbit out of whack, effing up our tides and screwing up with our days and nights.

Unicron would have to be millions of miles away from any celestial body for them to be able to destroy him without causing the complete annihilation of the human race.

[redqueenar]

Also, if you keep in mind the laws of physics, Unicron's very presence would be enough to destroy humanity. All he would have to do is sit there. Why? His gravity would throw the Earth's rotation and the Moon's orbit out of whack, effing up our tides and screwing up with our days and nights.

Unicron would have to be millions of miles away from any celestial body for them to be able to destroy him without causing the complete annihilation of the human race.

He doesn't have to actually appear in the movie.

[DK Prime]

No true..it could be something like the essence of him. But still...think it would be hard to fit in to the story..it would require explanation on who Unicron is and how he came to be.. I just can't see it happen in this movie.

[Dynasty]

Not that I want to see Unicron, and all the other stuff I've said...

But- we saw in the '86 movie- Unicron eating TF planets, which could be a lot smaller than earth. And yes, he munched them, but a lot of those planets seemed pretty hollow. I'm just sayin'.

[Kumba]

The only way I see Unicron working is as a plot point. Something along the lines of him being the moon and Megs tryin to awaken him to eat earth. Would only take a small strike team to land on the moon get inside and plant some bombs to take him out....farout idea i know

[Hotwire]

Not that I want to see Unicron, and all the other stuff I've said...

But- we saw in the '86 movie- Unicron eating TF planets, which could be a lot smaller than earth. And yes, he munched them, but a lot of those planets seemed pretty hollow. I'm just sayin'.

Go back to my first post. I used the MOON as reference. I made Unicron the size of the moon, not even close to planet size.

[Dak]

Animating Devastator melted a computer ... animating Unicron would probably melt the building.

My wit is unmatched.

[kwiknip]

Apparently Unicron is the ultimate representation of fear to both Transformers & mankind. The simple mentioning of his name on any forum causes a he must not appear response. Ohhhh, this gives me goose pimples on so many levels. Unicron is the only fictional character that can cause fear in the virtual world & our real world.

Now that I think about that the more I'd like to see the impossible Unicron make an appearance, just to see how current tech can keep their render farm from melting the entire building & how the live action Transformers Universe can deal with this problem.

Why?, Why? everyone keeps asking? Just because Mr. Bay & Team CAN make the impossible POSSIBLE! Oh Yeah I said it first, so what.

[Dynasty]

Go back to my first post. I used the MOON as reference. I made Unicron the size of the moon, not even close to planet size.

Well, our moon isn't too skimpy. It's almost as big as Venus, and it is bigger than Pluto. (Yes, I know, Pluto isn't a planet anymore... )

[Hotwire]

Well, our moon isn't too skimpy. It's almost as big as Venus, and it is bigger than Pluto. (Yes, I know, Pluto isn't a planet anymore... )

Diameter of Venus = 12,103.6 KM/7520.8 Miles
Diameter of our Moon = 3474.8 KM/2159 Miles
Diameter of Pluto = 2360 KM/1466.4 Miles
You were right about it being bigger than Pluto, but Venus is more than 3 time bigger. Now Mercury is only 4879.4 KM/3031.9 Miles wide, but even that's a 50% increase.

[Chriskay]

He could mass shift like the allspark and get smaller. The moon might be hollow too.

[Hotwire]

Why?, Why? everyone keeps asking? Just because Mr. Bay & Team CAN make the impossible POSSIBLE! Oh Yeah I said it first, so what.

Please take a look at the picture above. Now, since someone corrected me on Prime's height being 28 ft instead on 32, that would make the red line a little over two miles tall. Do you notice how tiny the pixel representing Prime is next to it? Now you want to make that line over 2000 miles high and then have them share the screen?

Let's try it again.

[voltron]

Hmmmm ,I wonder how the guys felt about animating unicron in 1986.Im sure they thought the same thing..yet made it work....How about this...How about unicron not be in the movie..Maybe mentioned?....and then in the dvd extras ,they animate him the best they can on a planitary scale unicron transforming for those fan whom wish to see him again..its an idea....With thousands of years of battle damage.......

BTW im new to the forums..hello all

[Hotwire]

Hmmmm ,I wonder how the guys felt about animating unicron in 1986.Im sure they thought the same thing..yet made it work....How about this...How about unicron not be in the movie..Maybe mentioned?....and then in the dvd extras ,they animate him the best they can on a planitary scale unicron transforming for those fan whom wish to see him again..its an idea....With thousands of years of battle damage.......

BTW im new to the forums..hello all

And if you watch the '86 film again, you'll notice that the scale for Unicron is different in just about every scene. While no one will give G1 any flack over this, fanboys would crucify Bay for it.