possible plot points revealed

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Shia reveals possible plot points, says TF3 will be better than ROTF

yikes!

[r-type]

"It's going to be the craziest action movie ever made, or we failed."

Go hard or go home. I like it. Let's do this!!

[sora]

Glad to hear very positive things from him.

[Dynasty]

I dunno, kinda hope they're just leading the fans to avoid people from picking up the plot. TF isn't a drama, it's not a romance, and it's not supposed to depress everyone. It needs to have excitement and humour. Hundreds of people probably died in ROTF, so if what that site says is true, I hope they do it in a way that it's so extreme, such a "human" and devastating way that tears away the transformers and entertainment factors. Not that that'd be something Bay would go for, but if there was enough pressure put on him to change the story to something mushy...

[wingzero]

Transformers3 must be epic, cruel and more adult than the first two. It must give viewers the feeling of threat, menace and despair that the population would be put into with the Decepticons nightmare...
Even if this movie is not going to show nor introduce Unicron, and I think that something like a giant Decepticon city would be more than enough to set a proper giant scale never seen before, it must be dramatic.
And actually Transformers2 had many horror like elements put into it... if it wasn't for writers strike and well known production issues I bet Mr.Bay would have delivered a more dramatic movie maybe even 180minutes long as the movie deserved and there wouldn't have been any on/off moments felt by viewers watching it as it unfortunately does have. Transformers2 main flaw is that it's unfinished business, we don't know how many filmed but not finalized scenes couldn't be added either and who knows if an extended/director's cut edition will ever be released.
Anyway, Transformers3 must up the ante and deliver an outstanding, all new, frightening, dramatic, massive full of action experience to viewers worldwide or it won't be able to break the $1billion barrier and it might be at risk of becoming a flop. It must push the PG-13 envelope to its limits.

[danifox]

human death?....

better not be megan...

[jamjam101]

I have a feeling it's going to be a great motherf*cking movie!!

[taybrian1]

Human death? I'm going with Lennox, Epps, and the Witwicky parents.

[redqueenar]

Alan Tudyk.

[Bot Girl]

Alan Tudyk.

He really should just be tattooed with a red shirt at this point! LOLOLOL (Love the guy, BTW!)

[chops]

Everyone knows it will be better than ROTF. How could it be worse?

[wingzero]

human death?....

better not be megan...

Mikaela should get pregnant of Sam's kid ... to follow the original characters the couple in the movie actually resemble and Transformers4,5,6 should feature Sam and Mikaela son like 15-20years in the future for an all new trilogy with a new cast.

So Mr.Bay shouldn't and can't kill Mikaela without breaking down the franchise. He will be able to get rid of the whole cast and renew it with the second trilogy of movies anyway...

[Mech_1000]

**Spoilers**
I kind of saw this coming. You cant have a human alliance and not expect the fight to focus on human lives. Pick out the beings that can be destroyed with one "blast cannon". It will definitely add some heart and morality to the Autobots cause.

[TIMtationX]

Mikaela should get pregnant of Sam's kid ... to follow the original characters the couple in the movie actually resemble and Transformers4,5,6 should feature Sam and Mikaela son like 15-20years in the future for an all new trilogy with a new cast.

...

I hope you're kidding.

[wingzero]

I hope you're kidding.

No. Absolutely not. Why? Do you know the original characters from the franchise that Sam and Mikaela resemble and are more or less based on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikaela_Banes

Mikaela Banes is a fictional character from the Transformers universe. She is differentiated from "typical" women in her age group, having inherited mechanical skills from her father, Cal, a grease monkey and paroled car thief. The character is portrayed by Megan Fox in the 2007 and 2009 films and serves the role of Sam Witwicky's love interest. She is based on Transformers Generation 1 character Carly.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witwick...James_Witwicky

In the 2007 Transformers live-action film, the main character, portrayed by Shia LaBeouf, is named "Sam" rather than "Spike". In early versions of the script, Sam had the nickname "Spike". This idea was later scrapped because, according to writer Roberto Orci, these nicknames were appropriate for a mechanic and an oil rig worker in the animated series, occupations in which the characters did not work in the film. However, he has stated that these nicknames may possibly be earned in any sequels.[3] He fights alongside the Autobots in the Battle of Los Angeles, and ultimately defeats Megatron at the end of the movie. According to Roberto Orci, the character of Sam was written as a "2007 version of Marty McFly".[5] LaBeouf has signed for three films, and has indicated that, if the film series continues, Sam will be reused in future installments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witwick...Spike_Witwicky

Animated series

In one particular adventure in 1985, when he was fifteen years old, Spike met a girl named Carly. He immediately took a liking to her, although Carly was more interested in getting to meet the Autobots at first. As time went on, Carly developed an attraction to Spike and through adventures together, including a solo mission to Cybertron, it blossomed into a romance.

As they entered their twenties, Spike and Carly were married, and in 1993, Carly gave birth to a son, Daniel. As Spike himself grew older, his experience and closeness to the Autobots saw him appointed Earth's official ambassador to Cybertron, but as the Autobots pressed their attack to reclaim Cybertron from the Decepticons in 2005, the 35-year-old Spike was stationed on Moonbase Two, which was attacked and consumed by the planet-eater, Unicron. Wearing a transforming "exo-suit" battle armor, Daniel rescued his father before Unicron was destroyed.

[fu2kimus_prime]

Though I don't think Shia should be so hard on ROTF, I like the attitude he's taking with Transformers 3. He's a great actor so if he's so determined to make it a great movie it can only be a good thing for this franchise.

[fu2kimus_prime]

No. Absolutely not. Why? Do you know the original characters from the franchise that Sam and Mikaela resemble and are more or less based on?

I think most people are well aware of who the characters are (very loosely) based on. However the live action franchise has such a different tone that I doubt following so slavishly to the old ways would work in any shape or form when it comes to these two.

[Dynasty]

Transformers3 must be epic, cruel and more adult than the first two. It must give viewers the feeling of threat, menace and despair that the population would be put into with the Decepticons nightmare...

This movie does not need to be push PG-13 to be successful, the more graphic etc., the more people may be turned off. People go to horror to see horror, drama to see drama etc. People who go to see a TF film go to see certain things, and even if people are obviously going to die- even main characters potentially- people go to a TF film to have fun, the enjoy the excitement. And if it doesn't have the action, the fun- people will be disappointed. I have no doubt that TF3 will raise the bar, especially with the FX, but if it's just killing humans, people won't feel compelled to see in numerous times, and it won't do as well.

It also must *not* be a rehash of G1- the series or the movie, for it to do well in modern times- no Unicron is necessary, and neither is a Daniel, etc. Let G1 be G1.

[Morethanmeetstheeye]

human death?....

better not be megan...

This and for many different reasons....

[wingzero]

This movie does not need to be push PG-13 to be successful, the more graphic etc., the more people may be turned off. People go to horror to see horror, drama to see drama etc. People who go to see a TF film go to see certain things, and even if people are obviously going to die- even main characters potentially- people go to a TF film to have fun, the enjoy the excitement. And if it doesn't have the action, the fun- people will be disappointed. I have no doubt that TF3 will raise the bar, especially with the FX, but if it's just killing humans, people won't feel compelled to see in numerous times, and it won't do as well.

It also must *not* be a rehash of G1- the series or the movie, for it to do well in modern times- no Unicron is necessary, and neither is a Daniel, etc. Let G1 be G1.

Sorry but your statements don't make any sense. So you:

1) You don't want an epic dramatic more adult movie with horror elements in it
2) You don't want G1 elements in it
3) You don't want Unicron in it
4) You don't want Sam and Mikaela son

"it's just about killing humans" ?? It's not a little kid PG movie, it's not supposed to be. Even the original G1 series had some very dark episodes actually. And anyway it must be ultra-realistic, you can't expect Decepticons invasion on planet Earth and few or no humans getting killed. It must have a lot of humans death to not become a Power Ranger thing... and no one wants anything like that to happen to the franchise I bet.
You can't tell Michael Bay to make a non realistic movie that doesn't make sense. And you can't expect Ehren Kruger to not get elements from G1 series and renew those.
Due to cuts and missing scenes that couldn't be completed for theatrical release Transformers2 was high at risk of not looking as much realistic as it needed to... there were human deaths there yes, but I bet the movie originally was supposed to be a lot darker than what they could achieve due to production issues and writers strike. And now Transformers3 is going to fix this, a massive scale worldwide Decepticon invasion can only mean thousands if not millions of human deaths and a war after another against the invaders.

[Dynasty]

^ Actually, it makes perfectly fine sense.

No- I dont want something pure drama without the action, fun and humour that is the foundation of TF. No, I do not want gore and horror and a depressing film filed with death.
No- I don't want a simple retelling of G1 with "Carly" and "Spike" and "Daniel" and "Unicron" in it. Having TFs, good v evil is enough, Bay can do his own plot.
No- we don't in this modern time need Mikaela to get pregnant at a young age and have a son.

TF started as a kids film, and while its fanbase is adult, they want to share that with their families, and bring in a new generation- and that's not going to happen if you go beyond early teen PG films. Also- as I specifically said above-- people are obviously going to die. A lot of them. But if the whole movie is human-driven, and focused on people dying it will not be enjoyable.

TF isn't going to be 100% realistic by it's very nature, and I trust Bay, given what he's done with TF and ROTF to work perfectly fine with that, doubly so this time around without a writer's strike.
I'm well aware of G1, especially there was a lot of death in the G1 movie in 86, but there was still a lot of humour and fun to lighten it to a pall wasn't cast over the whole thing, and that did not make it less dramatic, it cheapened no death no matter how small.

[Bot Girl]

Well said, Dynasty.

Ya know, folks, the emphasis some folks place on wanting a "darker" movie seems to miss the point that these movies have all been summer action adventure blockbuster type movies. They are supposed to appeal to a wide range of audiences, families, kids, adults, G1 fans, G2 fans, new fan recruits, etc. That means they need a mix of humor, action, humanity, giant robot fight scenes, and fun! Not morose, "dark," humorless cinema. Go to your local Ingmar Bergman festival for that! :-)

As to getting Mikela pregnant, I agree that we don't want to show a young woman becomeing a baby machine at an early age, but it also would not surprise me if Megan Fox doesn't has an "anti-dumpy" clause in her contract somewhere and would not want to be shown as a preggers woman. I get the impression she is just shallow enough for that. (Disclaimers:OK, and all you "Megan is wonderful" folks can refrain from sending rude PMs to me about this! I make no apologies for not liking her. And, no, I don't think pregnant women are dumpy, but sadly, Hollywood often portrays them that way.)

[wingzero]

Your statements are silly. So you want the movie to be a little kid Power Ranger kind of thing that adults and teenagers wouldn't take with seriousness anymore? I really wonder.. what do you expect the movie franchise to become, more realistic how? By having Decepticons playing cards with humans? Decepticons talking about religion and politics and phylosophy and maybe make a circus where they would fight Autobots for charity purposes?

If anything like that ever happened the franchise would be dead and the movie would bomb.

[Drake]

What is the deal with you insulting people? Accept the fact that people don't agree with you and respect that. This is an adult forum. Behave like one.

[fu2kimus_prime]

Your statements are silly. So you want the movie to be a little kid Power Ranger kind of thing that adults and teenagers wouldn't take with seriousness anymore? I really wonder.. what do you expect the movie franchise to become, more realistic how? By having Decepticons playing cards with humans? Decepticons talking about religion and politics and phylosophy and maybe make a circus where they would fight Autobots for charity purposes?

If anything like that ever happened the franchise would be dead and the movie would bomb.

Why do you feel the need to either put words in peoples mouths and wildly exagerate the points they were making, and/or insult them?

I can't speak for the people you were calling silly. However I too don't want the movie to focus too much on human death and destruction. That doesn't mean I want a Power Rangers movie either, it just means I want the movies to keep more or less the same tone we've had for the previous two films. An epic story, that ups the stakes, can still be told within those limits in my opinion.

But to be honest with you I'm not sure what it is you do want? As you state that you want a "darker" movie, yet I've also seen you state that you want Mikeala and Sam to have a family and become Headmasters. Something that really would make this franchise akin to a Power Rangers flick.