Bay and Cameron skeptical of 3-D conversions

[Hanna]

You're lucky. Glasses over the glasses I already wear are NOT comfortable!

Same here. And I've found I can't wear my contacts with a Bay movie. They're too strong and I get a migraine. But usually if its an IMAX 3D I'm fine with contacts and the 3D glasses. You might want to consider.

[TIMtationX]

Same here. And I've found I can't wear my contacts with a Bay movie. They're too strong and I get a migraine. But usually if its an IMAX 3D I'm fine with contacts and the 3D glasses. You might want to consider.

The problem is that they're too cheap to actually build REAL IMAX theaters anymore, so a lot of people won't ever get the chance to see a REAL IMAX 3D movie.. There really isn't anything like it.

[Trailbreaker]

You're lucky. Glasses over the glasses I already wear are NOT comfortable!

They need to make special ones that fit over our glasses properly.

[DEWY]

I honestly believe that this whole "3D thing" is a fad. As cool as it might be, and as much as I love the Transformers movies (A LOT!!!!), I wouldn't want to see any Transformers movies in 3D. I just think it won't work and people I know who watch a hek of a lot of movies are also losing interest in 3D movies as some get motion sickness, experience blurry vision after and sometimes during the movies as well. It might add to the experience but I would rather watch a Transformers movie on iMAX in 2D than in 3D as iMAX is an experience on its own already. TF2 rocked on iMAX in 2D, and I believe TF3 would rock even more in 2D!!!

If this was a poll I would vote "No" for having TF3 in 3D.

[Professor Fate]

When you base a movie's greatness on 3-D it's instantly a let-down on DVD.

[Bayhem]

If this was a poll I would vote "No" for having TF3 in 3D.

If you haven't voted already, have your say - http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum...3-3D-Or-Not-3D

[r-type]

http://www.collider.com/2010/03/24/j...-and-avatar-2/

You’ve made it clear that you’re not a fan of the conversion from 2-D to 3-D. Can you explain why?

Cameron: Well, it’s not a blanket statement. We’re converting Titanic, but we’re doing it right. What I’m not a fan of is a rushed or slap-dashed conversion that’s not done right. And, I’m certainly not a fan of conversion when you could shoot the movie in 3-D.

Do you think more movies will be done through conversion for the cost savings, even if it’s lesser quality?

Cameron: I don’t know. How much quality do people want? The problem is that these decisions should be made my filmmakers. They shouldn’t be made by studios. If it’s up to studios, they’re going to sacrifice quality for lower cost. Is that the right answer? Is that the principle on which movies are made by filmmakers? They don’t get the cheapest lens. They don’t get the cheapest camera. They get the one that does the right job and that satisfies their aesthetic requirements. If it was up to the studio, everything would be shot with a camcorder.

The decisions need to be made by filmmakers. Right now, they’re being made by studios because all the filmmakers hung back and said, “Well, let’s go see if Cameron hangs himself. Then we can forget about this 3-D thing, and roll over and go back to sleep.” That didn’t happen, so now they’ve gotta go, “Oh, fuck, maybe I have to think about doing a movie in 3-D,” as opposed to what should have happened. They should have been pounding on the gates of the studios, saying, “We want to make movies in 3-D. It looks cool. It’s a new art form. Let’s go. Give us the money.” That didn’t happen, so now they’re paying the price, which is the studio telling them to make their movies in 3-D and they’re caught with their pants down.

What’s it going to take for that power to return to the filmmakers?

Cameron: The filmmakers haven’t done anything about it. They’re not standing up. It’s like, “Come on! Show some spine, guys.” The studios have the power. They’re going, “You’re doing your movie in 3-D. Guess what? You don’t have a choice. You don’t want to do it? That’s fine. We’ll get someone else.” That’s not how it was supposed to be. But, if the filmmakers take control of this thing, like they should, and like they control any other aesthetic aspect of their movie, then you’ll have the quality and people will spend the money.

[Bayhem]

Thanks, r-type.

Pretty good interview.

[TIMtationX]

http://www.collider.com/2010/03/24/j...-and-avatar-2/

I thought a 3D conversion was a 3D conversion...So Titanic will be different than say, Clash of the Titans 3D conversion??...Oh wait, I guess Cameron can do it better than everyone else because he's James Cameron....

[Trailbreaker]

I thought a 3D conversion was a 3D conversion...So Titanic will be different than say, Clash of the Titans 3D conversion??...Oh wait, I guess Cameron can do it better than everyone else because he's James Cameron....

He's one of the few filmmakers who has a lot of power and can pretty much do whatever he wants without the studios having to make the decisions for him, because he makes them so much damn money. So yeah, he can do whatever he wants because he's James Cameron, but that doesn't make it a bad thing. Other filmmakers out there would love to have that kind of influence, better movies could be made that way!

But yeah, the primary weapon behind any influence is the dough. You make them lots of dough, they'll like you.

[Mech_1000]

Even with Bay's fight against the 3d effects, I still have a strong feeling he's going to do it anyways.

[DEWY]

If you haven't voted already, have your say - http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum...3-3D-Or-Not-3D

Thank you for notifying me of this, I did search for a Poll but couldn't find it. Thanx!

[DEWY]

Even with Bay's fight against the 3d effects, I still have a strong feeling he's going to do it anyways.

I hope you are wrong! ;-)

[Vladimir Klimov]

to r-type:

Thank you for good interview too.

It seems to me that I have seen the word "fuck"… James Cameron tells us about the situation exactly. As a 3D specialist, I can speak on converting of "Titanic" into 3D: it will be "Titanic Fuck"! I know it. In principle, nobody can make converting "2D to 3D" well, even famous J.C. But all great movies that are started in production after "Avatar" of J.C. will be converted into 3D. And the "Transformers 3" too.

The situation is: the great J.C. is on a top of mountain as a champion and other directors are at the bottom of the mountain. And Michal Bay now is among this 2D film directors. But he has a chance to change all because I offer to him a very good union. I understand a "stereo-window" perfectly, more better than Vince Pace and J.C. together (please, see my 3D demo reels at my Web site). Michael Bay will be Number One in Hollywood if he makes the right choice.

[TIMtationX]

He's one of the few filmmakers who has a lot of power and can pretty much do whatever he wants without the studios having to make the decisions for him, because he makes them so much damn money. So yeah, he can do whatever he wants because he's James Cameron, but that doesn't make it a bad thing. Other filmmakers out there would love to have that kind of influence, better movies could be made that way!

But yeah, the primary weapon behind any influence is the dough. You make them lots of dough, they'll like you.

That's true. To me, Cameron has this kind of smugness that just I don't like, that's all. Great filmmaker, the problem is he KNOWS he's a great filmmaker. And Avatar's box office only made it worse. I watched him on Inside the Actor's Studio the a few weeks ago, and the smugness just oozed off of him HAHAHA!

[Optimash Prime]

That's true. To me, Cameron has this kind of smugness that just I don't like, that's all. Great filmmaker, the problem is he KNOWS he's a great filmmaker. And Avatar's box office only made it worse. I watched him on Inside the Actor's Studio the a few weeks ago, and the smugness just oozed off of him HAHAHA!

Oh no when james camerons smug cloud merges with geroge cloonys acceptance speech smug cloud .....

[Dynasty]

Same here. And I've found I can't wear my contacts with a Bay movie. They're too strong and I get a migraine. But usually if its an IMAX 3D I'm fine with contacts and the 3D glasses. You might want to consider.

I get a headache and feel ill with contacts + 3D glasses in normal 3D- I didn't have contacts when I saw IMAX, but I don't remember feeling awful watching IMAX... interesting...

[MitP]

I don't think Cameron is in much of a position to criticize the current 3-D craze, seeing as how AVATAR ignited it.

[lightning]

i'm not into the 3d craze. the movie will be good if it's well made.

[r-type]

I don't think Cameron is in much of a position to criticize the current 3-D craze, seeing as how AVATAR ignited it.

He's critical of half-assed conversions, and what -he- feels was the wait-and-see attitude of the industry. I'm all for humility and such, but why shouldn't he be able to criticize what is going on? Albeit a tad contradictory given what he's doing with Titanic, but ultimately not what he was pushing for when developing AVATAR.

[Bayhem]

Kevin Carr ( filmschoolrejects.com ):

It’s easy for 3D haters to dismiss the audience attraction of these films as the masses not knowing any better, similar to how many film journalists out there denounced the public as stupid for paying money to see Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. But the truth is there was valid entertainment value in both Transformers movies. And there’s valid entertainment value in 3D films.

In defense of 3-D - http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/opi...ense-of-3d.php

[Morgane]

Well in light of Bay's high energy style, I would prefer the 2D version. I think there's a real chance of my head exploding otherwise.

I hope this 3D thing is a craze. I saw Avatar in both versions. Run of the mill type of movie in both.

Nope I hope Mr. Bay sticks to his guns.

[Bayhem]

The directors for and against 3D technology

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/4686...echnology.html



"...Nolan had the opportunity to shoot his upcoming movie, Inception, in 3D, and he declined."


Good for Nolan, I like him even more now.

[r-type]

I'm growing kind of tired of this "line in the sand" business with regards to 3D. I'm not gonna lose respect for a guy if he chooses to go that route, or (like Bay) says it isn't for him. (at least right now)

While they may not have decided to use it with Inception, they haven't ruled it out.

But the acclaimed, award-winning director of photography said that neither he nor Nolan has ruled out the possibility of shooting it using the format.

[jamjam101]

He's one of the few filmmakers who has a lot of power and can pretty much do whatever he wants without the studios having to make the decisions for him, because he makes them so much damn money. So yeah, he can do whatever he wants because he's James Cameron, but that doesn't make it a bad thing

Well its not that he's James Cameron and he could do what he wants...its more that, for one, it's Titanic and that before Avatar it held highest gross since '98. And secondly, that it's his film and he along with few other created 3D cameras so he's quite involved in what is required to make a goood 3D conversion. And third, if a movie is going to return to theatres after 14 years in 3D, ofcourse he's going to make it as best as he can.

If someone like Bay knew what was required to make a 3D camera (as Camerson did), then even though they did not have enough time to shoot TF3 in 3D he would have probably been a little more convinced on the conversion, but probably still wouldnt have done it.