Blu-Ray or HD DVD

[Mobe1969]

I voted both. Back then I had no preference, as I was about to start researching and trying to pick a winner. The winner is painfully obvious. Can I change my vote now to "Blu Ray"

[dobyblue]

5 years from now, there will be another format and sony will tell us we have to buy their new gear because the ones that we got from them this year is old stuff.

That "next format" could well be Blu-ray Disc as well.

Currently, 50GB, 48 Mbps, 2-layer

Potential, 335GB, 288 Mbps, 10-layer

Ritek already mentioned that they have potential 10-layer discs for Blu-ray and TDK's 200GB prototype disc used 33.5GB/layer instead of 25GB.

An 8x read speed would give 292.4 Mbps.

That would not only let you move up to 2160p if you wanted to, but would also allow for 1080p content with far less compression....although when watching the quality of Pixar's "Cars" one wonders if much more bandwidth is really needed, considering a 24-bit uncompressed PCM track was also included.

The only TV's above 1080p right now are used for professional purposes or for people with $6 million to spend on their home theater. A 52" 2160p set right now is over US$50,000.

I don't think a new resolution will be heading to consumers so quickly. We've been at 480i (NTSC) and 576i (PAL) for years and years. A new digital disc was needed to replace DVD so we could get 1080p24 content to consumers. All DVD did was allow us to watch NTSC digitally, instead of on tape.

5 years does not seem like a realistic timeframe.

[ScarCrow28]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/te...rssnyt&emc=rss

Good article mentioning the secondary reasons for retailers dropping HD-DVD so suddenly and so fast. They see the impending battle with movie rental downloads and the like.


I'm not so sure it will be as terribly long to graduate to a HD Plus or HD Generation 2 resolution. The biggest gripe was the changeover from analog to Digital. The two just don't work well together. Once everything is digital from source to signal to monitor, things can scale up more easily with technology. It now becomes a matter of bandwidth speed. An issue that our country, the inventors of the internet, are seriously lacking behind in. Increase bandwidth speed, resolutions can increase with less drastic costs to the infrastructure.


But 5 years from now, Blu-Ray will be in its prime. And just starting to battle it out with downloads.

I think the next format war needs to be higher quality Audio recordings. Even now, mp3/ aac downloads are only 44.1khz 16bit. When will we finally see a 24bit / 96khz music standard?? I have a few DVDAudio titles and one DTS -Audio album. The sound is just awesome. Thats the war i want to see next.

[chinmoku]

Toshiba Corporation has decided to withdraw from next generation high-definition DVD production.

http://www.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/dailynews1.html

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/

[vogeler]

Blu-Ray !!!!!

[Mobe1969]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/te...rssnyt&emc=rss

Good article mentioning the secondary reasons for retailers dropping HD-DVD so suddenly and so fast. They see the impending battle with movie rental downloads and the like.


I'm not so sure it will be as terribly long to graduate to a HD Plus or HD Generation 2 resolution. The biggest gripe was the changeover from analog to Digital. The two just don't work well together. Once everything is digital from source to signal to monitor, things can scale up more easily with technology. It now becomes a matter of bandwidth speed. An issue that our country, the inventors of the internet, are seriously lacking behind in. Increase bandwidth speed, resolutions can increase with less drastic costs to the infrastructure.


But 5 years from now, Blu-Ray will be in its prime. And just starting to battle it out with downloads.

I think the next format war needs to be higher quality Audio recordings. Even now, mp3/ aac downloads are only 44.1khz 16bit. When will we finally see a 24bit / 96khz music standard?? I have a few DVDAudio titles and one DTS -Audio album. The sound is just awesome. Thats the war i want to see next.

Yeah, music downloads are pretty horrifically low density. I still buy CDs and convert them myself.

[dvdvision]

Now that HD-DVD is out, another format comes to bug Michael Bay, HD-VMD, the poor's man HD ! The fun continues

http://www.nmeinc.com/

[Avalanche™]

oyea! i picked the right side of victory again! woo, i currently own a little over 50 Blu Ray movies, so of course i was rooting for Blu

and i said this the same time Paramount sided with HD-DUD, it will only prolong the inevitable

[dvdvision]

Avalanche, do you own a 2.0 compliant BD player ? Because if not, you're way more screwed than HD-DVD buyers will ever be. Apart from the PS3, all current Blu players will become useless very soon.

[chinmoku]

Now that HD-DVD is out, another format comes to bug Michael Bay, HD-VMD, the poor's man HD ! The fun continues

http://www.nmeinc.com/

Hey, you forgot the Protein Coated Disc =()

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein-coated_disc

[Trigger Mike]

Avalanche, do you own a 2.0 compliant BD player ? Because if not, you're way more screwed than HD-DVD buyers will ever be. Apart from the PS3, all current Blu players will become useless very soon.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. They'll be unable to play certain special features, sure, but everything else will continue to work as it has always done. Oh, and the studios need to start including these features on the discs first.

Everyone keeps saying that anything under 2.0 is a paperwork. They are dead wrong.

[StormSailor]

So, an interesting tidbit online...

"Toshiba may not have officially cried uncle in the high-def format war, but it surely is coming soon, and it seems that Paramount might have already started planning ahead. The Digital Bits is reporting that several retail outlets have contacted them, claiming that Paramount Blu-Ray titles have suddenly started to pop up in their inventory software.

"Transformers is the most notable title that has been listed 'on order' or 'available for pre-order...'" (http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/79/26679.php)

Probably just rumor, and people/retailers getting excited over unconfirmed stories, but still interesting...

[MR BLU]

Well it official, Blu-ray won...

[Smokescreen_5]

Well it official, Blu-ray won...

That it is... . I just heard on the radio that Toshiba was throwing in the towel on their HD DVD's!!!! HA HA HA.. thats funny.. never bought an HD DVD anyways... Happened to pick up the PS3 that plays Blu-Ray.. so yeah.. umm.. when is Transformers gonna be put on Blu-Ray anyways? Oh, another question.. I know someone posted this once before and I tried searching thru posts but can't seem to find it.. someone posted a website that talked about the differences between dvd, hddvd and bluray, which had pictures and in depth information so you could actually have a visual of what was being discussed.. Whoever originally posted that link, could you post it again? Or at least message it to me? Thanks!

[Mobe1969]

It is now OFFICIALLY over:

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/ir/en...0080219_03.htm

[Dadi]

YEAH, TRANSFORMERS WILL COME SOON!!!! Ill BUY IT !

[xAgonyxScenex]

It is now OFFICIALLY over:

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/ir/en...0080219_03.htm

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Wonder how I knew it would end up this way in August...but HD-DVD supporters couldnt. Talk about blind faith.

[vogeler]

YEEES!!! This is what I've whaited for! hopes the TRANSFORMERS get on blu-ray emediatly!! cause im going to buy it

[Mobe1969]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Wonder how I knew it would end up this way in August...but HD-DVD supporters couldnt. Talk about blind faith.

Simply as you used your head and looked at the sales figures and trends, I guess. Just like I did. I didn't think it'd be over this quick though, but it was inevitible looking at the figures. I don't know when HDDVD had the last majority on even a single week (they didn't even manage with Transformers or Shrek), and the Since Inception figures were always getting smaller and smaller.

[MR BLU]

YEEES!!! This is what I've whaited for! hopes the TRANSFORMERS get on blu-ray emediatly!! cause im going to buy it

Pictures are now circulating of Transformers and other hddvd only titles already in the system for Blu at some stores...

Here is a pic from a guy at Circuit City:


Personally, I think Bay already knew encodes were ready for Blu

[Smokescreen_5]

Here's the full picture for you:

[Double]

Hopefully Circuit City stays in Business long enough for us to get it...

[MangaMel]

Lol~ Ramen noodles. I still prefer DVD though...Still no idea and no time to read about Blue Ray thing...:P

[IMT Guyver]

Source link http://www.current.com.au/2008/02/20...XGEAZOXNF.html
Blu-ray could still lose HD video war: Toshiba
By Matthew Henry

SYDNEY: Toshiba claims that Sony’s victory in the high definition disc format war will be short lived due to the rise of HD digital video downloads over broadband, which the company claims was one of the key reason for abandoning HD DVD.

In a press conference this morning, Toshiba Australia general manager, Mark Whittard, said that while the US film and retail industries’ recent shift to support Blu-ray sealed HD DVD’s fate, other factors played a role in Toshiba’s abandonment of its high definition video disc business.

Whittard claims the penetration of both next generation disc formats is well below expectations while uptake of digital movie download services is accelerating, and could render HD discs redundant.

“We believe technology developments will soon leapfrog high definition discs, whether it be HD DVD or Blu-ray,” he claimed.

“This step is going to be leapfrogged by the next major format – digital content, internet downloads and video on demand.”

Whittard also identified DVD as a formidable competitor to Blu-ray.

According to figures quoted by Toshiba, total sales of HD movie discs reached a paltry $300 million last year compared to sales of over $23 billion for DVD discs.

Whittard claims Blu-ray will find it difficult to replace DVD in the same way DVD comprehensively replaced VHS.

Toshiba sold less than one million HD DVD players worldwide, and while Blu-ray has achieved higher penetration with the PS3, Whittard claims DVD will be “extremely difficult” for Blu-ray to overcome.

“DVD players still sell in their tens of millions worldwide today,” he said.

“DVD upscaling technology means you get near high definition quality, and to most people there is little discernable difference.”

However, while Toshiba is now moving towards a business model which will see it place more emphasis on other HD video delivery platforms, it has not ruled out joining the Blu-ray camp.

“You never say never, but at this stage there are no plans,” he said.

Toshiba's HD DVD players also have the potential for internet connectivity which gives them the potential to accept HD video streaming over ethernet connectivity, which could be utilised by the company in the future.



[Wed 20/02/2008 12:56:00]

This is just somthing i found today on the 21/02/08
personal i dont care. To me the format wars are over.

[dobyblue]

Downloadable HD content that comes on par with Blu-ray is still almost 20 years away.

The physical disc will be the dominant format during our lifetimes.

The current downloadable "HD" content from Apple and xbox Live is 720p with lossy Dolby 5.1 - it does not even hold a candle to Blu-ray.

Within the next year the players will be available for under $200 and the movie prices will drop too. Blu-ray will be adopted in a similar timeframe as DVD was moving forward now.