Are there any mistakes that bug you?

[Ed Fuego]

Well, the terrain and background were also remarkably different. It didn't stop me from going to see it in theaters, and it didn't keep me from buying the BD. It just bugged me is all.

And that's perfectly legit. It did look different. My main point was that the reason people would notice (if they did) wouldn't be because they "obviously" knew that there isn't a aircraft boneyard outside the Smithsonian, but rather because they saw the the terrain was substantially different. So the suggestion that it's common knowledge (that the boneyard isn't there) I don't think is really all that common.

And again, to address really the whole issue, these kind of changes in location are done all the time, in lots of movies. Perhaps they were better disguised, and a discussion as to why they were noticeable in ROTF is a reasonable discussion to have I think. From my perspective, I think that Bay isn't as concerned with those kinds of dramatic changes as perhaps other directors are. Most people probably don't know that the boneyard isn't there, or that Karnac is nowhere near the Pyramids. But in the context of the story, I don't really think Bay sees it as important. He's not making a documentary. I think in this kind of "fantasy" film (and to some extent, almost all movies are fantasy), it's not critical whether or not the film "reality" matches up with the actual reality. He appears to pick locations (and consequently connects those locations in the film) based on their visual aesthetics and ability to be shot.

To be honest, there were a few things that bugged me as well. I think that overall, the last section of the movie was too short. I think that it suffered from a lack of exposition about what was happening and why it was happening.

For example, a scene after the decepticons arrived in Egypt showing multiple protoforms scanning the same vehicle would have completely solved the "problem" of Devestator and the constructicons being in the same place. I don't know if that was the actual reason for the "problem" but that's what I would have tried to do.

As another example, some scene or line of dialogue indicating where Megatron really is when we first meet the Fallen.

Or something that would have emphasized a little more that Sam's "destiny" was to save Optimus (as described in the Prime "heaven" scene). Something perhaps like a vision, dream, premonition, etc. earlier in the movie. Maybe as a part of the visions Sam has, he sees the Primes for a split second, and doesn't understand what it means.

Anyway, I actually like these discussions, I have to admit. It appeals to the very small part of me that is a writer/director/filmmaker trying to get out of my researcher/scientist mind.

And once again, I've been unable to stop myself from writing and writing and writing.


Ed Fuego

[ppecchia]

Mr. Bay, firstly I love the movies great job, however, we need a little bit more attention to detail:

Transformers 1: The scene where Shia and Megan are looking under the hood of the car after it has stalled...the passanger door remains open after she steps out to look under the hood. Megan walks away from the car after they can't get it started then Shia turns over the engine, closes the hood and speed away to go after Megan. Well at no point in time did anyone close the passanger door, but when they switch back to the scene the door is closed?

Transformers 2: The scene where Shia and Megan are in Egypt hiding
in the hunt...Shia pokes a hole through the wall with a sword to see the Descepticons invading. He grabes the little bug robot droid through the poked hole that is searching for them with his right hand, then pulls off its head with the left hand. In the previous scene Shia's hand is wrapped in a bandage from the his accident which was worked into the movie as the telaport burn from the transfer from the US to Egypt.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to the 3rd instalment.

[chaguito]

The fact that Epps was a Technical Sergeant in TF1 and in 2 years is MEGA promoted to Chief Master Sergeant. It takes at least 10 years to do that!!!!....he jumped 2 ranks in 2 years....that is impossible!!!! :deadhorse1:

That they used the same predator/reaper cgi in both TF1 and TF2

Where where the Navy F18 ???? I saw them going off the carrier but not int the fight

Where did the F22's come from ???

[Drake]

The fact that Epps was a Technical Sergeant in TF1 and in 2 years is MEGA promoted to Chief Master Sergeant. It takes at least 10 years to do that!!!!....he jumped 2 ranks in 2 years....that is impossible!!!! :deadhorse1:

That they used the same predator/reaper cgi in both TF1 and TF2

Where where the Navy F18 ???? I saw them going off the carrier but not int the fight

Where did the F22's come from ???

A lot of this was financial choices. Stock footage isn't always perfect, and getting planes the exact way you want them AND being on a super tight schedule means making compromises. I didn't notice it.

If you want to talk about the rank jump, it is commonly known that when you volunteer for special units, you end getting promoted much faster than you would in the normal service. I've seen ten-year sergeants major coming out of special assignments, and most people, even fast-trackers, don't get that until around 18 years.

I'd guess that NEST is no exception.

[Link]

-How they flipped and played backwards the shot where Prime lifts his head in Egypt.

Curiously, I like better the shot flipped, have no idea why.

There's a scene that stars to bug me a little. When Galloway talks to Prime, there's a shot of him talking about the Autobot Cooperation Act, the camera pans behind Galloway, showing Prime, Lennox on the left.
This shot is repeated when Galloway says when they'll deny further asylum on the planet.
I know it's an editing thing, but it sometimes bugs me a little.

[Bot of Badassness]

MADE THIS LITTLE LIST WHILE WATCHING THE FILM:

• In the Pre-Credits Scene, The Fallen moves his right foot to kill a native, yet in the next shot, it’s his left foot.
• In the NEST Command Center, the screens are showing NEST helicopters, yet the angle shown is that not used by a security camera, but an Action Film angle.
• When Michaela is saying goodbye to Sam, before they kiss, we see the camera’s shadow on Sam’s back.
• At the College’s party, when Sam gets a cup of Punch when he’s talking to Alice, the amount of juice changes between shots from nearly full, to nearly empty, to nearly full again, indicating different takes.
• When Sam talks to Optimus in the cemetery, we can briefly see green tape on the grass showing Shia where to stand.
• When we get a birds-eye-view shot of the boat holding the Decepticons that will resurrect Megatron, we can see Rampage is Red and Overload is a Bulldozer, however, when Ravage lands onto the boat, Rampage is yellow and Overload is now a digger.
• When Megatron is coming up, out of the ocean, a man in a submarine tells the controller to turn “Hard Left Rudder” however in the following shot, the Rudder is turning right.
• When Sam goes crazy in his Astronomy Class, he begins to draw around six symbols on a blackboard, but in the next shot, he has somehow drawn twenty.
• Sam the rings Michaela, however, when he drops his books on some stairs, people begin changing places on the stairs as they walk up and down, indicating different takes.
• The Autobots send a message to NEST that they have picked up on this “power” in Sam. We see Eight Autobots are driving, when in the satellite image, there are Six dots indicating a robot.
• Sam now begins painting on a Bad Boys II poster in his dorm, in a later scene however, the paint used are now separated, indicating a new poster being used.
• When Alice begins to seduce Sam, to her beginning to kill Sam, a fan changes positions from being next to a window, in front of the window, then on a bed. Indicating different takes.
• Michaela kills Alice by crashing a car into a lamppost. The lamppost dents the middle of the cars bonnet. Yet in all scenes afterwards, the dent is to the car’s side, indicating a second car being used.
• When the car smashed through a warehouse roof, you can briefly see a camera welded to the car to catch the shot of the airbags inflating.
• When The Doctor projects symbols form Sam’s mind to Megatron, we see some of Sam’s memories as well; yet, some of these are of scenes not including Sam or without him being present.
• Starscream cuts the car in half (in the boot is a box containing Wheelie). When Optimus and Bumblebee arrive to save Sam, Michaela and Leo, none of them are seen bringing with them Wheelie’s Box. Once Optimus is dead, Bumblebee takes them to an abandoned prison since they couldn’t return to the warehouse. So how does Wheelie’s box end up in Bumblebee’s boot?
• When Soundwave orders some Decepticons to come to Earth, we see him gliding free in space, yet, when the Deception’s past him, he is attached to the US satellite.
• When Galloway arrests the Autobots, we see the camera’s shadow of both him and Lennox.
• When Sam, Michaela and Leo visit Simmons, a clock can be seen inside his Deli. However, the time on the clock changes every time we see it, indicating different takes and possibly a filming break for the crew to have lunch.
• When Sam shows Wheelie some photos that Simmons put onto a table, the two photos he holds up switch hands twice, indicating different takes.
• Before Sam reawakes Jetfire, Wheelie calls Sam “freshman”. 1. Sam isn’t at college anymore, and 2. How does Wheelie know this?
• Jetfire bashes down the museum’s doors, however, he ends up walking onto an air force base, which, after some research, is on the other side of the country!
• When Bumblebee and The Twins drive up to the others, you can see tire marks already in the dirt, indicating this is not a one take shot.
• Simmons tells the man guarding Jordan’s boarder that he is in Egypt with his family in their yellow car (Bumblebee) so how do The Twins get into Jordan?
• When Lennox tells Galloway to how to jump of a plane, we can see everything behind them once the hatch is open, Optimus’ dead body has disappeared. Indicating a different location.
• Megatron orders some more Decepticons to come to Earth, yet when they land, some men and camels can be see in the foreground showing no reaction to what’s happening.
• Devastator has a “scrotum” made of two wrecking balls, however only one of the construction vehicles that form him carries a wrecking ball.
• After running from explosions, Michaela’s white pants get dirty, however after a short amount of time, the pants are completely clean, indicating different takes.
• Devastator’s vortex can suck up cars and vans, but not the much lighter humans?
• When Leo, Simmons and Mudflap are underneath Devastator, Mudflap appears briefly to be the same height as the two humans.
• When Simmons is climbing the pyramid the Star Harvester is hid under, he contacts an Aircraft carrier. However when we see him speak, the pyramid behind him has a white top, only one of Giza’s pyramid’s have a white top, and that is the one the Star Harvester is buried under. This indicates the scene was filmed on one of the other two pyramids.
• When the air strike arrives in the small town, Ironhide gets his right cannon blown apart, yet once Optimus is resurrected and The Fallen has knocked him back down again, when Optimus and the other Autobots are getting up, Ironhide has got his right cannon back. There was not enough time for Ratchet to make another, and there was no spear metal around to use at the time.
• After Michaela is talking to Sam about how long it has taken to say that he loves her, we get a shot of Sam rubbing her back, we can clearly see that there is a mic-pack under her shirt.
• The last scene is on a Aircraft carrier, we get a birds eye view of Optimus walking towards the edge of the ship, yet in the next shot showing Sam, Optimus is still walking towards the edge as he has somehow “jumped” backwards.

In the credits, Demolisher’s name is titled as “Wheelbot” and Rampage is titled as “Skipjack”. Note: Rampage’s correct name was also been said onscreen. These two names are actually titles used for the two robots before Hasbro named them.

[eagc7]

When we get a birds-eye-view shot of the boat holding the Decepticons that will resurrect Megatron, we can see Rampage is Red and Overload is a Bulldozer, however, when Ravage lands onto the boat, Rampage is yellow and Overload is now a digger.

Overload is not in teh scene, only Ramapge, Long Haul, Mixmaster and Scrapper AKA Ze Little one are there

[Dreadwing]

-The reuse of TF1 footage.

-The thing that Devastator isn't definited.
We don't know of how many constructicons are made of.

-reusing of Blackout/Grindor

Technically the "Reusing" is often used in the original G1 Cartoon. So more of a throwback, a prime example is Bumblebee & Cliffjumper, Another Inferno & Grapple. Identical appearance just different colors. But COMPLETELY different characters. Hope i cleared a tad up for you.

[TIMtationX]

If you want to talk about the rank jump, it is commonly known that when you volunteer for special units, you end getting promoted much faster than you would in the normal service. I've seen ten-year sergeants major coming out of special assignments, and most people, even fast-trackers, don't get that until around 18 years.

I'd guess that NEST is no exception.

But we're talking about a jump from E-6 to E-9 here.. There's no way a Tech Sergeant would've made it to Chief in 2 years. It's impossible. A Tech Sergeant has to have at LEAST 2 years time-in-grade to even be eligible for promotion to the next rank which is a Master Sergeant (E-7).

[Dreadwing]

But we're talking about a jump from E-6 to E-9 here.. There's no way a Tech Sergeant would've made it to Chief in 2 years. It's impossible. A Tech Sergeant has to have at LEAST 2 years time-in-grade to even be eligible for promotion to the next rank which is a Master Sergeant (E-7).

Well just my opinion but there are 2 things i can see contributing to this. 1.) Its a movie, and 2.) He was part of a team who defeated giant alien robots, which in my opinion could be a contributing factor? Idk just trying here lol.

[ARCEE^_^]

I hate the geography!
how can Cairo, luxor and a whole lot of other places are in Jordan!
WTF!
that kinda pissed me off!

[TIMtationX]

Well just my opinion but there are 2 things i can see contributing to this. 1.) Its a movie, and 2.) He was part of a team who defeated giant alien robots, which in my opinion could be a contributing factor? Idk just trying here lol.

....I know it's a movie. But when you're in the military you tend to look at servicemen in movies a little differently then when you're a civilian.

[baddog]

I just wonder , how can air forces attack to the decepticons when starscream is there?
it can defeat all airforces attack.. why is it watching?

or Decepticons dont know how to fight ! hehe

"its Starscream !!"

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when sam died or something saw primes (souls) and took an advice from them..
its the time that live action movie becomes cartoon hehe

[allison0z]

The pay tolls aren't bullted down to the street

[razgriz21]

About reusing footage, many sequels have done that (Hellbound: Hellraiser II, Star Trek The Undiscovered Country, etc).

[Lady_Prime]

Are you talking about continuity errors within the movie? I would have to watch the movie again to find continuity errors.

The "only" thing that I really didn't "understand" is the thought of freshmen in college not being able to drive their cars for the first year on campus. That, and the metal "adhering" to Optimus so quickly...I didn't quite understand that part as well but there is a such thing as entertainment value...

[allison0z]

Are you talking about continuity errors within the movie? I would have to watch the movie again to find continuity errors.

The "only" thing that I really didn't "understand" is the thought of freshmen in college not being able to drive their cars for the first year on campus. That, and the metal "adhering" to Optimus so quickly...I didn't quite understand that part as well but there is a such thing as entertainment value...

yeah some collages dont let freshmen bring cars on to campus. idk y but it happens

[Michael Do]

i want to point out one thing. not biggy and not nitpicking about it.

ok, at the deli, Simmon said they accept cash only, yet the mirror in the back has visa/MC/other CC logo on it. which indicates they do accept CC.

you will miss this if you didn't pay too much attention to all the details in the background.

[westfall]

How they flipped and played backwards the shot where Prime lifts his head in Egypt.

Curiously, I like better the shot flipped, have no idea why.

What bothers me the most on that scene is that if you look in the background you can see a plume of smoke COMING DOWN. Of course there might be some temporary gravitational residual distortion from The Fallen's warp field... :lol Guess i answered my own question...

[Mr.Gabba]

Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere... don't feel like reading all 4 pages to find out.

When Sam drops his books while on the phone to Mikaela, the same girl passes by him on the other side of the rail twice. She passes him, and then there's a cut to him picking up his books and running off in which he passes right in front of the girl who just walked by.

Also in the desert, when Ironhide's running from the bombs, his guns fall off but when the Fallen teleports in to take away the Matrix, his guns are back. When did he go back and get them?

[Chromia/Maybell]

A. Megatron IS a Prime, read the first junior novel, it confirms their relationship. But what reason would Megatron have to attack his master?
B. Alice is animatronic, not a pretender, only a refference to one.
C. Just something I noticed, one of Bumblebee's broadcasts, "We've got to stick together", is from an old movie, "It's a Wonderful Life" Why the heck would it be on the radio?
D. Half of his quotes from the last movie are from Star Trek. Lots of radiovised movies/TV shows, huh? =l
E. Bumblebee's car changes, as does the emblem. The neglected to alter the robot in any way, shape, or form.

[Abby]

The scene where Bumblebee is holding Skids by the foot as he and Mudflap are hanging onto the building when they are hiding from the cops. Mudflap is the one talking..."Man. Stupid cops. " Skids is saying something about acting like a ninja. Mudflap says "shut up or I will blend my fist in your face" The were saying the wrong lines. Mudflap should be hanging upside down not Skids.

[Primes_Girl81]

Well the main thing 4 me and i'm sure this was a main issue 4 alot of others and i also know they had to do it but it still annoyed me so much is when they jumped from scene to scene to quickly to fast 4 the avid watcher to absorb the scene itself i know if they didn't do this the film would take another 2 1/2 hrs which i wouldn't of complained i mean more trans means more time to spend with the movie lol!

[ridgeback]

When the navy states 5 going down to Meg's Body then later announce 6 coming back, forgetting that "ze little one" was killed.

I figured they revived Blackout to it just wasnt shown in the movie cause when Sam Makeala and Leo are driving away after killing Alice they reconize the helicopter before it picks up the car.

[Bot Girl]

I figured they revived Blackout to it just wasnt shown in the movie cause when Sam Makeala and Leo are driving away after killing Alice they reconize the helicopter before it picks up the car.

Ok, 5 went down, "ze little one" was killed, making 4, Megs was revived, making 5 and the Dr was now swimming free, making 6. The math was correct.