Pearl Harbor

[Goodspeed]

Pearl Harbor is a masterpiece .... period.

[STEPhon IT]

I like Pearl Harbor, I bought the 4 disc version on dvd and it was stunning. Michael really did a good job with the film.

[Smokescreen_5]

He's also telling you he did like Affleck or Hartnett, and he's right, they are worthless.

He liked Affleck and Hartnett but yet you claim they are worthless? That doesn't make sense.

Pearl Harbor is a masterpiece .... period.

Thank You!

[kucharsk]

I'm somewhat sick of people complaining about the love triangle, about wanting a pure war movie.

Michael was going for a World War II-style war film, and that requires romantic entanglement.

Go back and watch what is arguably one of Michael's source films, Thirty Seconds over Tokyo.

I bet most here would be projectile vomiting over the love story there.

It's predictable and somewhat trite, yet it's what was expected for the era.

That's along the lines of what Michael was going for, at least if the commentary on the Vista DVD can be believed.

[uraydo]

I'm somewhat sick of people complaining about the love triangle, about wanting a pure war movie.

Michael was going for a World War II-style war film, and that requires romantic entanglement.

Go back and watch what is arguably one of Michael's source films, Thirty Seconds over Tokyo.

I bet most here would be projectile vomiting over the love story there.

It's predictable and somewhat trite, yet it's what was expected for the era.

That's along the lines of what Michael was going for, at least if the commentary on the Vista DVD can be believed.

by love triangle I assume you mean the "can sleep I with you since you liked my best friend who's dead, but wait he's not dead, but I still love you eventhough I'm not as cool as the former dead guy so I guess if I can't have you, I'll die (it was my turn anyways) but really the joke will be on you because you are going to have my baby and when he walks in on you having sex, i hope you remember me and how i screwed you first even thought I was the door prize."

run on sentience FTW

[LadiesMan217]

There's a love story in Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo? That I don't remember.

I wouldn't mind a love story in Pearl Harbor, but this one was so oddly structured. If the film had been set in Pearl from the get go, didn't have a love triangle but just a regular relationship between Affleck and Beckinsale, bigger parts to Tom Sizemore and Cuba Gooding etc. I think the film would have been much better. I can only speak for myself and that love triangle was very uninteresting for me; I would rather watch more scenes with Baldwin, or Mako, Colm Feore, or even Dan Aykroyd. The supporting characters were much more interesting for me.

[LadiesMan217]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDS_qTq2xwA

Watching that almost makes me cry a little The film could have been a masterpiece. It's the original teaser trailer with Hans Zimmer's The Thin Red Line score over it. Epic as fuck.

[halofan1]

I'm somewhat sick of people complaining about the love triangle, about wanting a pure war movie.

Michael was going for a World War II-style war film, and that requires romantic entanglement.

Go back and watch what is arguably one of Michael's source films, Thirty Seconds over Tokyo.

I bet most here would be projectile vomiting over the love story there.

It's predictable and somewhat trite, yet it's what was expected for the era.

That's along the lines of what Michael was going for, at least if the commentary on the Vista DVD can be believed.

It's not that there is a love triangle, it's that the love triangle has nothing to do with the attack.

No one did a good job on this film. It's a full on piece of shit. I couldn't forgive Bay for a while on this one, even Bruckheimer too.

[nelson]

It's not that there is a love triangle, it's that the love triangle has nothing to do with the attack.

No one did a good job on this film. It's a full on piece of shit. I couldn't forgive Bay for a while on this one, even Bruckheimer too.

You're just talking crazyness right there.

PH is my least favorite Bay film, but the effects and cinematography is some of his best work to date.

What did the love triangle have anything to do with Titanic, Xmen, and so forth?

[nelson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDS_qTq2xwA

Watching that almost makes me cry a little The film could have been a masterpiece. It's the original teaser trailer with Hans Zimmer's The Thin Red Line score over it. Epic as fuck.

If they had just left the story without the love triangle and just made about two best friends, I think I would've liked it more. But then everyone would've called it a homo flick.

[Devastator]

Is PH really that inaccurate? Did things in the film happen that way at all? Were the vehicles used of that era or even there during that attack? What about the weapons? I've only seen it once so whats the big deal of inaccuracy?

[halofan1]

You're just talking crazyness right there.

PH is my least favorite Bay film, but the effects and cinematography is some of his best work to date.

What did the love triangle have anything to do with Titanic, Xmen, and so forth?

The effects, cinematography, whatever don't matter when your story and characters are shit. Titanic and X-Men's love triangles DRIVE the story forward. And since we're comparing Titanic to Pearl Harbor, Titanic at least let me know there was going to be a love story. Pearl Harbor made me think I was going to get a war story. Titanic may have it's faults, but even one of the engineers in that movie is better developed than any character in Pearl Harbor.

Yes, Spielberg always has top notch effects, but his works like Jurassic Park and even Saving Private Ryan have a good character and story to drive them. Not saying all-out action films can't be enjoyable, but when you promise a film with strong characters, you better deliver. Bay didn't just not deliver, he fucked us all in the ass.

The point here is the attack should have driven the love story forward. All the attack did in this movie was tell us it was a big inconvenience to three wooden boards figuring out their love triangle.

And yes Pearl is very, very historically inaccurate. No movie ever is, but Pearl is criminally inaccurate.

[Bumblebee1983]

Oh my gawd, I must have been living under a rock (no, not the rock...:P) but I was just flipping through the channels (actually, boyfriend was) and Pearl Harbor is on and I never realized Jon Voight is in it. I have the special edition disk, but I haven't had the chance to watch it in forever.

But, it's the time when President Roosevelt was giving his speech after the attack on PH. And I looked at the guy....my boyfriend looked at the guy, we looked at each other and are like "bwha? Is that...?"

So, I go to imdb. Whala! It IS Jon Voight!

Seriously, I must dig this movie out and watch it sometime soon.

[nelson]

Is PH really that inaccurate? Did things in the film happen that way at all? Were the vehicles used of that era or even there during that attack? What about the weapons? I've only seen it once so whats the big deal of inaccuracy?

People just thought this was supposed to be some documentary.

PH's problems lie from something outside the film's control. They could've had a solid story and 99.99% historical accuracy and still this movie would've disappointed as much people as it did.

[Bumblebee1983]

People just thought this was supposed to be some documentary.

PH's problems lie from something outside the film's control. They could've had a solid story and 99.99% historical accuracy and still this movie would've disappointed as much people as it did.

Well, I find it interesting how Bay went beyond just the attack on Pearl Harbor, but how we retaliated.

That's what my dad loved about the film. And of course it's a war film.

[Trailbreaker]

Wow, I just saw this movie today. It was a great movie, though I do have my gripes such as the love triangle. Despite that, it was epic and, of course, AWESOME.

And Bee, I was very surprised too that Jon Voight was the President.

Therefore this is the second Bay movie I saw. There, you guys happy now?

[Mobe1969]

Wow, I just saw this movie today. It was a great movie, though I do have my gripes such as the love triangle. Despite that, it was epic and, of course, AWESOME.

And Bee, I was very surprised too that Jon Voight was the President.

Therefore this is the second Bay movie I saw. There, you guys happy now?

Cool. Did you see the theatrical cut or the Directors?

[Trailbreaker]

It was on AMC, therefore I saw an edited version.

[Chemical Superfreak]

Therefore this is the second Bay movie I saw. There, you guys happy now?

HELL NO! See the Rock or at least the Island, i'm ashamed you wasted your time on PH when you still haven't seen the Rock. Heh.

[Hardkore]

Great flick,even my dad loves it. He has the 2 disc set.

[elemental fantasy]

Indeed, you gotta see the Rock. Man, theres a thread for Pearl. :wtf

I've been away too long...

[Trailbreaker]

HELL NO! See the Rock or at least the Island, i'm ashamed you wasted your time on PH when you still haven't seen the Rock. Heh.

Okay I can do that...If I ever get the chance.

[Bumblebee1983]

Wow, I just saw this movie today. It was a great movie, though I do have my gripes such as the love triangle. Despite that, it was epic and, of course, AWESOME.

And Bee, I was very surprised too that Jon Voight was the President.

Therefore this is the second Bay movie I saw. There, you guys happy now?

YES! That's where I saw it, too. But I do have the two disk version somewhere...

The cinematography is amazing.

And I'd have to say that's my....*thinks a minute: Armaggeddon, the Rock, the Island, Transformers, Bad Boys...I think that's it* sixth Michael Bay film.

Did I leave any out?

[Trailbreaker]

You haven't seen BBII yet?

[Bumblebee1983]

You haven't seen BBII yet?

Tragically, not yet. But it's in the queue.