District 9

[uraydo]

Wow, so you want the camera to span on one shot for 4 minutes or something? Do you want the audience to go mad? Michael Bay's pacing is just fine. His shots in The Island, Bad Boys, Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, Transformers and The Rock are not that different from movies shot from Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Roland Emerich, Robert Rodriguez, Oliver Stone or Stanley Kubrick. Really, they aren't. If you have a hard time keeping up with what's going on, or who is who or what is what, then that's your problem, not Michael Bay's, or his fans who have no problem keeping up with his movies. It's not a mistake to make a fast paced movie. The Bourne films were famous for that, so why is it ok for those film to have fast paced camera action, but not Michael Bay's films?

Again, I was talking about the time between takes. you know, the time when the camera is not rolling. as in the stuff we will never ever see. The time taken to reset shots, move locations, or change scenes. the time taken to review footage and look at storyboards. I made NO comment on Bay's pacing.

Who ever said that was Bonecrusher? Wow, when I watch TTT, Peter Jackson made some big mistakes because most of the Uraki looked the same as they did in FOTR!

As for concentrating on certain characters and expanding their screen time, it's just a preference, but not a mistake. And as for small continuity errors like doors not closed (I loved the one where someone bitched that Mikaela had her shoes in her hands when running away from Alice, heaven forbid if a character does something off the screen) but that aside, TDK had twice as many of those errors/plausibility scenarios, but yet people seemed to have no problem over looking that.

yes, but Peter Jackson was not trying to make his armies diverse. It seemed Transformers was. when you give soldiers names, they are part of the cast, and must stand out form the extras.

As for the little things, I don't sweet them too much, but they are mistakes. period.

And screen time has little to do about how much a character reveals to the audience. I agree that some may not care if the robots had depth, but when I go to a movie about Autobots fighting Decepticons, that's what I expect to see. That's not what I got.

Bringing back to the topic at hand, I went to see District 9 to see a human connect to a misunderstood and ill-treated alien race, and that's what I got.

[Drake]

I liked D9, but the human characters were pretty much shallow and difficult to accept as being real people. It's bad when a CGI alien child can show more emotion and better acting than any of the human counterparts. I don't see myself buying the BD when it is released.

And the oppression bit? It's been done, and done better.

[Bayhem]

Bad Boys: 19 million, not 9 million.
Pearl HArbor: 151 million, not 135 mil. It cost more than Transformers. Pearl harbor doesnt even look like a 150 million dollar film. It looks more like a 100 million.

I'm sorry, but my numbers are the real numbers - the budget for BB was $9 million because it was Bay who said it on the commentary ( eventually he got $3 million more to finish the movie ).

It's all here on this very website - http://www.michaelbay.com/bio/bio.html



Pearl Harbor's budget was $150 million??

Where do you get these numbers?

Google every single Pearl Harbor interview and see for yourself - the budget was exactly $135 million.

As for "...Pearl harbor doesnt even look like a 150 million dollar film. It looks more like a 100 million", all I can say is :lol

[Bayhem]

However there are continuity errors that many people have pointed out previously, like Bonecrusher's reappearance, everything about the constructicions, and small things like car doors closing between cuts.

You know, there's a special word for what you just said and that word is "nitpicking".

Do you really wanna play that game?

Because I can list at least 20 obvious mistakes and continuity errors in movies like "The Dark Knight" and "Titanic".

Seriously, we're not going anywhere with this.

[uraydo]

And the oppression bit? It's been done, and done better.

Aliens building the Pyramids has been done, and done better.

[uraydo]

You know, there's a special word for what you just said and that word is "nitpicking".

As for the little things, I don't sweet them too much, but they are mistakes. period.

I'm not going to watch a movie over and over to find all the mistakes, but if I happen to see something that doesn't follow continuity, it takes me out of the film.

[Bayhem]

...but if I happen to see something that doesn't follow continuity, it takes me out of the film.

There you go, that's the difference between us.

Because even if I see a mistake or a continuity error, i simply ignore it because I'm well aware that there's no such thing as "a perfect movie" ( hell, we as human beings are not perfect, let alone a movie made by humans ), and at the end of the day we all make mistakes - yes, even film directors.

Just don't take these things so seriously and you'll be fine.

[Xsubs]

I'm sorry, but my numbers are the real numbers - the budget for BB was $9 million because it was Bay who said it on the commentary ( eventually he got $3 million more to finish the movie ).

It's all here on this very website - http://www.michaelbay.com/bio/bio.html



Pearl Harbor's budget was $150 million??

Where do you get these numbers?

Google every single Pearl Harbor interview and see for yourself - the budget was exactly $135 million.

As for "...Pearl harbor doesnt even look like a 150 million dollar film. It looks more like a 100 million", all I can say is :lol

135 million back then would be at least 151 mill today.

[Bayhem]

135 million back then would be at least 151 mill today.

I really don't know what to say here...

We're not talking about "back then" and "today".

A budget is a budget...and it's a fact that "Bad Boys" was a low-budget movie, and it's a fact that "Pearl Harbor" was made for $135 million ( pretty remarkable, considering how big this movie was ).

[Xsubs]

I really don't know what to say here...

We're not talking about "back then" and "today".

A budget is a budget...and it's a fact that "Bad Boys" was a low-budget movie, and it's a fact that "Pearl Harbor" was made for $135 million ( pretty remarkable, considering how big this movie was ).

135 million back in 2000-2001 is equivalent to at least 151 million today.
And today, it is considered to be a 151 million dollar budget.

[Bayhem]

135 million back in 2000-2001 is equivalent to at least 151 million today.
And today, it is considered to be a 151 million dollar budget.

Yes, you already said that, thank you.

[Nenita]

I looked at myself more trailer from the film. I knew still not times that into the cinemas come. The whole is somehow interesting. In Germany unfortunately only on 10 September. I believe look at myself I in the cinema? In the USA runs nevertheless already. Can recommend their that to me? Is it worth to look itself the film?

[lightning]

I liked D9, but the human characters were pretty much shallow and difficult to accept as being real people. It's bad when a CGI alien child can show more emotion and better acting than any of the human counterparts. I don't see myself buying the BD when it is released.

And the oppression bit? It's been done, and done better.

district 9 is quite ok, but it wasn't that great. this movie could have been more effective without the blairwitch style footages. at times it looked a bit distracting.

district 9 is like one of those movies you watch on cable, i wouldn't buy a dvd of this one. it's not that great.

[Nenita]

Ok. Ok ones, but I think I him me will nevertheless look at. It reminds me so much of Independence Day. I love such film ^^

[Drake]

Aliens building the Pyramids has been done, and done better.

TF2 has absolutely no bearing on the mediocrity of District 9.

And aliens didn't build the pyramids... the pyramids were built around an alien device.

And nobody has done alien robots from another world transforming into vehicles and engaging in amazing battle scenes better than TF. The only competition they've ever had has been the GoBots... and the GoBots were absolutely terrible.

[uraydo]

TF2 has absolutely no bearing on the mediocrity of District 9.

And aliens didn't build the pyramids... the pyramids were built around an alien device.

And nobody has done alien robots from another world transforming into vehicles and engaging in amazing battle scenes better than TF. The only competition they've ever had has been the GoBots... and the GoBots were absolutely terrible.

Why? because it has big explosions and shiny robots? In District 9 I felt for just about every alien that popped on screen. The only alien I felt for in TF2 was prime, and thats only because he went all slow motion and the music change. After the first shock of seeing it, I really couldn't care much less for Prime. Just like I didn't care for Jazz, Arcee, or Jetfire, which seems to be okay, because no character in the actual film did either.

And really, I don't care who built the Pyramids in the movie, because hiding something that big in the center of it was the stupidest idea ever. The Pyramid has been probed and proded by so many damn people. If something like that was buried in the pyramid, we would have found it a long time ago. Plus, the Egyptians are natorious for there recording of history. in fact they were doing it while most of the world was in Prehistory. and all that "we found these symbols all over the world" was bull as well. if they were in fact all over the world as apparent in the photos, it would be common knowledge.

anyways, let me get back on point. No, a movie exactly like Transformers has not been done... unless you count the original transformers movie... or maybe even Robotics.... or Robotech.... but a movie about two warring factions of robots that hide in plan sit has been done. It was called Small Soldiers. And it was way more awesome in the plot department than anything Bay's two robot films had to offer. Hell, one of the robots even got to be a protagonist. How cool is that?


BTW, I didn't think the acting in District 9 was terrible for the area which the movie took place. In fact, it was a breath of fresh air to not see them all act like Americans. I thought the acting in Grand Torino was much worst, but no one seems to say anything about that film.

[StefsChemicalRomance]

Better than RoTF.

It was amazing.

People can say how shallow the human characters were all they like - considering it was mostly all improvised, I was extremely impressed.

And with that whole argument, I'm with Uraydo.

[lightning]

Why? because it has big explosions and shiny robots? In District 9 I felt for just about every alien that popped on screen. The only alien I felt for in TF2 was prime, and thats only because he went all slow motion and the music change. After the first shock of seeing it, I really couldn't care much less for Prime. Just like I didn't care for Jazz, Arcee, or Jetfire, which seems to be okay, because no character in the actual film did either.

And really, I don't care who built the Pyramids in the movie, because hiding something that big in the center of it was the stupidest idea ever. The Pyramid has been probed and proded by so many damn people. If something like that was buried in the pyramid, we would have found it a long time ago. Plus, the Egyptians are natorious for there recording of history. in fact they were doing it while most of the world was in Prehistory. and all that "we found these symbols all over the world" was bull as well. if they were in fact all over the world as apparent in the photos, it would be common knowledge.

anyways, let me get back on point. No, a movie exactly like Transformers has not been done... unless you count the original transformers movie... or maybe even Robotics.... or Robotech.... but a movie about two warring factions of robots that hide in plan sit has been done. It was called Small Soldiers. And it was way more awesome in the plot department than anything Bay's two robot films had to offer. Hell, one of the robots even got to be a protagonist. How cool is that?


BTW, I didn't think the acting in District 9 was terrible for the area which the movie took place. In fact, it was a breath of fresh air to not see them all act like Americans. I thought the acting in Grand Torino was much worst, but no one seems to say anything about that film.

district 9 looks like a well funded blairwitch project. it didn't feel fresh at all since it resembles the same premise as alien nation. d9 is sort of a mockumentary/sci fi.

[Jammed9000]

district 9 looks like a well funded blairwitch project. it didn't feel fresh at all since it resembles the same premise as alien nation. d9 is sort of a mockumentary/sci fi.

And what's wrong with that?
At least it set out to attempt a small set of things like thrilling action, emotional story, and an origional setting for a Sci-Fi film, whereas TF2 attempted loads of things in a huge, emotionally incomprehensible bunch.
And in District 9 there was not ANY scene where I thought "Wow, that was just so badly done, it should have been cut out".
In fact I've seen some footage that was cut and I thought "Oh dammit, they should've left that in".

[Drake]

Why? because it has big explosions and shiny robots? In District 9 I felt for just about every alien that popped on screen. The only alien I felt for in TF2 was prime, and thats only because he went all slow motion and the music change. After the first shock of seeing it, I really couldn't care much less for Prime. Just like I didn't care for Jazz, Arcee, or Jetfire, which seems to be okay, because no character in the actual film did either.

And really, I don't care who built the Pyramids in the movie, because hiding something that big in the center of it was the stupidest idea ever. The Pyramid has been probed and proded by so many damn people. If something like that was buried in the pyramid, we would have found it a long time ago. Plus, the Egyptians are natorious for there recording of history. in fact they were doing it while most of the world was in Prehistory. and all that "we found these symbols all over the world" was bull as well. if they were in fact all over the world as apparent in the photos, it would be common knowledge.

anyways, let me get back on point. No, a movie exactly like Transformers has not been done... unless you count the original transformers movie... or maybe even Robotics.... or Robotech.... but a movie about two warring factions of robots that hide in plan sit has been done. It was called Small Soldiers. And it was way more awesome in the plot department than anything Bay's two robot films had to offer. Hell, one of the robots even got to be a protagonist. How cool is that?


BTW, I didn't think the acting in District 9 was terrible for the area which the movie took place. In fact, it was a breath of fresh air to not see them all act like Americans. I thought the acting in Grand Torino was much worst, but no one seems to say anything about that film.

You are stating opinions as facts. You liked D9? Good for you. I liked TF2 better. Someone said before... Alien Nation has already been done, and I liked AN better than D9.

And I hardly thought the actors acted like Americans. They acted, generally, like pompous brit jerks. Dropping the F-bomb every three seconds doesn't make it American.

[uraydo]

You are stating opinions as facts. You liked D9? Good for you. I liked TF2 better. Someone said before... Alien Nation has already been done, and I liked AN better than D9.

And the oppression bit? It's been done, and done better.

Wait, who's stating opinions as facts?

[lightning]

And what's wrong with that?
At least it set out to attempt a small set of things like thrilling action, emotional story, and an origional setting for a Sci-Fi film, whereas TF2 attempted loads of things in a huge, emotionally incomprehensible bunch.
And in District 9 there was not ANY scene where I thought "Wow, that was just so badly done, it should have been cut out".
In fact I've seen some footage that was cut and I thought "Oh dammit, they should've left that in".

i wasn't that impressed with D9.

i wish they shot this movie without making it look like a news footage

[Dynasty]

^ I'd have preferred that too, but since I sat through Cloverfield, I didn't find it that bad. I was glad it picked up after a while and didn't do that so much.

Overall- I thought it was good- good acting, no big stars being shoved in my face (if they're big stars that can act, and are doing good, that's different) the direction was good- neat story that was followed throughout- really appreciated that! The effects were good- and there were enough, I wasn't drowned in them.

Yeah there was gore, but... it wasn't...I don't know how to explain it... I've just seen things that bothered me farrr worse. And the swearing was kinda... with the accent, so it can't be chalked up to lazy writing, especially given the context.

The film is unique I thought- you feel for the characters, there's room for interpretation- I mean, the "Prawns" had all those weapons, there were over a million of them... so it says, I think, something about them...

[Trailbreaker]

I really like the documentary style in the beginning and the end. It set the mood for the movie. It was different. That's what I liked most about this movie, it was different.

[Drake]

Wait, who's stating opinions as facts?

That is hardly an opinion. Are you going to stick your neck out and say that D9 was the best movie for documenting and expressing the oppressive nature of man against those of different race, color, or creed? I think the large amount of people exploding and over the top use of profanity sort of disrupts the message. It reminds me of Romero's Land of the Dead, where thhe massage is shoved in your face without a slight degree of subtlety, along with the constant distraction of gore and utterly pointless carnage.