Decepticons unusually bad cannon fodder? (SPOILERS)

[Starscream-]

Yes, yes, I know that the good guys will eventually win the war and defeat the Decepticons but c'mon, they're not supposed to suck this bad in combat...

I mean, the only 2 kills the Decepticons ever got over the Autobots all came from Megatron (Jazz and Optimus Prime with the latter reviving in the same movie it dies...). Of course, he's the most powerful Decepticon and everything but it's like his comrades can't do anything right. Starscream is the second best Decepticon and all he ever did was remove a pair of legs from Bumblebee and put up a fight against Ratchet and Ironhide (which was evened by the spanking he received in ROTF).

I mean, when the only Autobot that supposedly stays dead in the whole movie is an ex-Decepticon... that's like a huge slap to the Decepticon insignia.

Here's one hoping that in the next movie(s) the Cons will at least put up a better fight than this

[Trailbreaker]

Being bad guys, most Decepticons are reckless, aggressive, single-minded bastards. Bonecrusher is horribly aggressive, he hates everything and will kill it, that's all he does. Blackout is single minded, it's all about Megatron and loyalty. They both died. Megatron was obsessed with getting the cube, he got the cube alright, but it killed him. See them chasing Sam all over the place in ROTF? That's all they care about, and they got their asses kicked by Prime because of it. Soundwave seems to be the smart one, and stayed up there in space.

Autobots' heads usually aren't up their tailpipes with ultimate power and all of that stuff bad guys want so therefore they end up putting up a better fight because they're more focused on winning the fight, on what they were trained to do.

[XxSoundwavexX]

Yes, yes, I know that the good guys will eventually win the war and defeat the Decepticons but c'mon, they're not supposed to suck this bad in combat...

I mean, the only 2 kills the Decepticons ever got over the Autobots all came from Megatron (Jazz and Optimus Prime with the latter reviving in the same movie it dies...). Of course, he's the most powerful Decepticon and everything but it's like his comrades can't do anything right. Starscream is the second best Decepticon and all he ever did was remove a pair of legs from Bumblebee and put up a fight against Ratchet and Ironhide (which was evened by the spanking he received in ROTF).

I mean, when the only Autobot that supposedly stays dead in the whole movie is an ex-Decepticon... that's like a huge slap to the Decepticon insignia.

Here's one hoping that in the next movie(s) the Cons will at least put up a better fight than this

yep yep i know how u feel...

[Starscream-]

Agreed, most of them are just pretty stupid and reckless, I'm just surprised that in 2 movies all the Cons could muster was 2 kills and a half (if you count Bee's legs and Scorponok's blow on Jetfire). Meanwhile, the Cons' casualties must be up in the 30s or something with all the spanking they took in the final battle.

[Trailbreaker]

Keep in mind also that there are way more Decepticons than Autobots in both movies, so I guess that kinda balances out the fairness a bit.

[Dynasty]

In their "defense" it took quite a bit to take out... the Tank guy in TF1, so maybe some are just quite a bit weaker? Better armaments but less regen power or ability to withstand hits?

[XxSoundwavexX]

ihope they give them a harder time in the 3rd and last film..

[megatron42]

as leader it is a slap in the face

[sls3553]

Agreed, most of them are just pretty stupid and reckless .

Stupid?? hardly. But I do agree on recklessness.

[Starscream-]

Stupid more in the sense that they have 0 cohesion, teamwork and plan of attack. How they managed to screw up in that desert fight so badly when their primary threat was out for the count and they outnumbered the Bots some 3 to 1 is beyond me

[Revolution.]

personality to me i thought megatron was badass in this one, he went off his head.

same with the fallen.

but if decepticons were to win, how bad would the movie feel for viewers who arent fimilar with the transformers universe?

[dragonfire144]

personality to me i thought megatron was badass in this one, he went off his head.

same with the fallen.

but if decepticons were to win, how bad would the movie feel for viewers who arent fimilar with the transformers universe?

i know but the decepticons have got like 3 (arcee,jazz,optimus) kills to the autobots 30. The deceoticons could at least get jolt i mean jolt was useless.

[Starscream-]

Did Arcee die or just disappear?? Idk, from what I can recall I just saw her take some heavy fire in that desert fight although maybe 1 of the bikes got destroyed but the other 2 survived.

I thought they just disappeared like Barricade did in the first movie :wtf

[Jammed9000]

Look, there's just so many plot holes that you've gotta wonder exactly where it all goes wrong. Is it the writing? Is it the directing? Is it the editing?

[ChozoGhost87]

Look, there's just so many plot holes that you've gotta wonder exactly where it all goes wrong. Is it the writing? Is it the directing? Is it the editing?

? Whether or not Arcee and/or one or two of her "sisters" died or not isn't really a plot hole... If the trilogy is complete and we still don't have an answer (Barricade?), then I'd say it's a plot hole.

[esdren]

How they managed to screw up in that desert fight so badly when their primary threat was out for the count and they outnumbered the Bots some 3 to 1 is beyond me

It was nowhere near as lopsided as its made out to be. Yes there were more robots sided with the cons, but teh autobots had a lot of backup in the form of human military forces. the foot soldiers may not have been really effective, but the 3 tanks sittign on the ridge took out 3 or 4 cons by themselves. AND dont forget giant bomb toward the end of the battle AND especially dont forget the USS Kidd and its giant Devastator destroying railgun.

[Xsubs]

It was nowhere near as lopsided as its made out to be. Yes there were more robots sided with the cons, but teh autobots had a lot of backup in the form of human military forces. the foot soldiers may not have been really effective, but the 3 tanks sittign on the ridge took out 3 or 4 cons by themselves. AND dont forget giant bomb toward the end of the battle AND especially dont forget the USS Kidd and its giant Devastator destroying railgun.

They had the railgun the whole time through this movie and they only used it once?? PLot hole.....

[Starscream-]

It was nowhere near as lopsided as its made out to be. Yes there were more robots sided with the cons, but teh autobots had a lot of backup in the form of human military forces. the foot soldiers may not have been really effective, but the 3 tanks sittign on the ridge took out 3 or 4 cons by themselves. AND dont forget giant bomb toward the end of the battle AND especially dont forget the USS Kidd and its giant Devastator destroying railgun.

This is specially what troubles me. Transformers supposedly have a huge, huge technological superiority compared to even the US army. Heck, they can build Sun harvesters, not to mention that they can travel through space when we are only scratching the surface of intergalactical exploration... 1 of them can teleport himself across a vast distance in a blink of an eye. Another can lift boulders without effort and change the course of supersonic projectiles as if they were in slow-mo.

Yet, when they're faced with the human threat, they seem to falter and fall flat in their asses... at least in the most important battles. It is also beyond me why SS didn't help at all in that desert battle. He could have easily destroyed the tanks that were giving support there. Heck, it's beyond me why SS didn't get to fight anyone in that desert battle, considering in the 1st movie he took 2 Autobots by himself and a few raptors down.

[chops]

when you think about it they weren't that bad in battle. they had an army of nations going against them with jets, tanks, helicopters, and autobots. thats not an easy win.

[Drake]

The decepticons lost the element of surprise. The military already knew their weaknesses (thermal rounds) and also had time to understand their tactics. It would be pretty cool if in the 3rd movie, the decepticons figure this out, upgrade, and the first human rounds fired at them are completely ineffective.

As for SS... if you hadn't noticed, when he knows the fight will be lost, he bails, or in this case, hides. He's actually smart in this regard, being able to anticipate the loss ahead of time.

[Starscream-]

The thing is, he hit retreat too early in ROTF. He could of at least helped like in the first movie... fighting a bit but always making sure survival was first priority. In ROTF he was just shown flying above in the desert sky giving a few orders but doing nothing else to try and help from the get-go.

[megatron42]

he's a chicken.. why can't he be like thundercracker,or like the other seekers

[Trailbreaker]

he's a chicken.. why can't he be like thundercracker,or like the other seekers

He also looks like one, too.

[megatron42]

he backs down when i give him orders.. any ideas?

[esdren]

pin him down under your foot and run your treads over him some more, that should get his butt into gear