They should make another movie but it should be in the transformers origonal movies.....Like remake the cartoon ones....
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why should he do that
They should make another movie but it should be in the transformers origonal movies.....Like remake the cartoon ones....
Sam Witwicky: I bought a car - turned out to be an alien robot. Who knew?
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Ironhide: You feelin’ lucky, punk?
[pointing his guns at Sam]
Optimus Prime: Easy, Ironhide.
Ironhide: [stops pointing his guns at Sam] Just kidding. Just wanted to show him my cannons.
The truth about The Pirates of the Caribbean and the Matrix is they are BAD movies, written and directed by untalented people(the Wachowski brothers and Gore Verbinski are not top rated filmmakers). It has nothing to do with making two films at the same time. Just look at The Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson managed to deliver three GREAT movies because the right people worked on them.
If Michael Bay wanted to, he wouldn't have any trouble making Transformers 2 and 3 together.
Let's not get crazy here. The first Matrix movie was a solid, all-around good film. It had a clever concept, a great visual style, ground-breaking special effects, and it was fun to watch. The Wacho bros did a good job creating something new and interesting and exciting. They said their goal was to make a live action Ghost in the Shell, and they knocked it out of the park.Originally Posted by nathan alexander
They just should have left it alone instead of tacking on a lot of obvious, boring crap in the form of two sequels. Call them one-hit wonders if you want, but The Matrix was good.
They make good films and not so good films all the time!!!
Sam Witwicky: I bought a car - turned out to be an alien robot. Who knew?
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Ironhide: You feelin’ lucky, punk?
[pointing his guns at Sam]
Optimus Prime: Easy, Ironhide.
Ironhide: [stops pointing his guns at Sam] Just kidding. Just wanted to show him my cannons.
Why do this? I am assuming you mean remake the animated Transformers movie with Unicron/Junkions/Optimus dying/Hot Rod metamorphosis etc...
If this happens fans already know what will happen in the movie and the bitching and whinging will ensue over crap because the movies wasn't done as exactly the same as the original.
No the TF movie(s) needs to carve it's own path in movie success - take the characters into a whole new realm that fans have not seen before. That concept will astonish audiences and keep the franchise alive, while keeping in with the spirit of the original characters that everyone has grown to love and hate over the years. That's my bit.
Proceed on your way to oblivion ~ Unicron
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Ironhide: What have you done to Gears, you monster?? You turned him...well...NICE
No not that...not the series...just the trasformers movies
Sam Witwicky: I bought a car - turned out to be an alien robot. Who knew?
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Ironhide: You feelin’ lucky, punk?
[pointing his guns at Sam]
Optimus Prime: Easy, Ironhide.
Ironhide: [stops pointing his guns at Sam] Just kidding. Just wanted to show him my cannons.
Call them one-hit wonders if you want, but The Matrix was good.[/quote]
The Matrix was a ground breaking film... It can be classed in the same category as Jason and the Argonauts, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, and even Titanic.
But It was only about the visual effects, the story was secondary. Whereas James Cameron would combine both. The Terminator was not only visually awesome, it had a great story as well. The Wachowski brothers showed their storytelling limitations in the sequels... When the special effects were no longer the main focus, the story came up short.
A great filmmaker combines both. Kurosawa, Cameron, Spielberg, Lean, Scott, and Kubrick are all great storytellers. Even Michael Bay. That's why major projects like Transformers and Lord of the Rings were successful. The right man was in charge.
The Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy is technically good, with great visual effects, but the story, the acting, and the script is laughable.
We all remember Tron. At the time it was ground breaking... But who remembers the director, Steven Lisberger?
Yeah they should do them all at once. That way it will be the original cast, so they wont have to find a replacement just in case one of the Transformers has an accident and gets hurt or dies or something. LOL
ok here's my reason frank should voice megatron... say at the same time hugo
is doing a movie how can he voice megatron and film another movie
we decepticons now face our darkest hour:megatron from transformers prime
Simple: Hugo just can't do anymore movies until TF is finished.
*runs away* Too easy of an answer, I know!!!
look at the movie national treasure book of secrets nicholas cage is in the others isn't
from the frist one
we decepticons now face our darkest hour:megatron from transformers prime
LOL. Yeah right, there's no way Hugo could get away from his other movie for 20 or 30 minutes to record "I am Megatron" and "Give me the cube, boy!" Come on, it's voice acting, and only a handful of lines at that! It takes a day or two at most.
LOL! and what if there is a TF mechanics strike? Who will fix them?
Back up there, chief. Yes, a huge chunk of the Matrix appeal is visual, granted. But the Terminator did not have an incredibly novel and engaging plot: Killer robot from future tries to kill helpless woman, but is conveniently thwarted by man from future. It was basically just a chase movie. The Matrix was totally on this level: Man discovers humanity has been secretly enslaved by machines and joins war against them.But It was only about the visual effects, the story was secondary. Whereas James Cameron would combine both. The Terminator was not only visually awesome, it had a great story as well.
Keanu Reeves did not help much here, but then again, Schwarzenegger didn't really contribute to the storytelling much either. Talk about characters. Terminator had Sarah (average woman becomes super-madonna, cool), Kyle (oddly average soldier who doesn't contribute much, blah), and T100 (unstoppable killing machine who learns to stop, aw). The Matrix had a wider cast with more diverse and interesting backgrounds and motivations. A man searching for a messiah, an oracle, a kid wanting to be a superhero, a traitor who wants to be enslaved.
And I don't think a movie's success can really be judged by how well people remember the director.
Agreed, Pirates was weak, doesn't deserve a second screening, and is totally forgettable.
But this is interesting. "We all remember Tron." We do. It does not stand up to the test of time and the acting does not impress, but the visuals are iconic and the concept, of machines as people and people integrated into machines, is intriguing. It is hard to stare at those florescent costumes, but I'd almost rather watch Tron than a lot of modern movies, just because you can see that they were trying to be really novel and clever and they almost did something good.
[quote=siwel;5775]Back up there, chief. Yes, a huge chunk of the Matrix appeal is visual, granted. But the Terminator did not have an incredibly novel and engaging plot
A film has to capture the attention of the audience, and not let go. If it loses the viewers, then it's failed. For that reason, simple is best. The Terminator was Cameron's first, he wrote a basic story that he was able to turn into a cult, memorable film. He only achieved this due to his incredible talent. If it had been in the hands of another filmmaker then it could have been a disaster. Maybe if Cameron had written and directed The Matrix it would have been better? It's down to the ability of the man in charge.
If you look at Steven Spielberg, or Ridley Scott, their first films had the most simple themes, but they worked (Dual, Jaws, The Duellists, Alien). And those films are remembered in large parts as their greatest achievements. For example, for all it's outstanding visuals, Blade Runner was over complicated and incoherent. Not even Scott could save it.
The Wachowski brothers spun a web they could not escape from. Too many characters, over intricate, and excruciatingly boring...
Nah, he should not.
Wow. Duel? Really? In the same breath as Jaws and Alien? Not even close. Duel is white noise to help insomiacs get their forty winks.
Sure, another director might have done something else, something better with the Matrix, but it's not boring. Maybe it gets boring on too many viewings. How often are you watching it? You might want to consider cutting down. There was a kid on here who said he watched Transformers twice a day, every day. I think that's a bit much. Moderation, people! Just like Tanqueray!
[quote=nathan alexander;5801]Actually the Matrix main concept and basic elements are directly derived from Serial Experiments Lain japanese anime/manga that was released in Japan some years before Matrix even went into production (although obviously officially it's not, but just read the Lain manga and watch the anime and you'll see it).
The first Matrix movie was an introduction and it ended with a cliffhanger when Neo can fly in the matrix world (long debated on forums if it was a flashback or a flashforward..). The second movie Matrix Reloaded was the best one, it gave pathos to the main elements which were Neo,Trinity and the semi-Gods they were actually fighting. Also it featured outstanding, top-notch and for the time the best CGI effects (not the best ones anymore since Transformers got released...) along with a lot of action and many new characters. Then Matrix Revolutions was so disappointing.... it seemed like the production decided to follow a different path than the japanese anime Lain, and they got it all wrong. They wanted to have Neo look like a modern Christ, while the main concept that Lain is based on simply tells that there are different levels of reality and to not trust the first God-wannabe that wants to look like God while in reality it's just a semi-God. That is the basic idea behind the concept, but the Matrix production decided to mix and distort things up, putting in elements of the christian religion and others. That was just wrong, along with all the confused part of Neo having his power in the real world.. they hinted to that but they didn't develop it further, while in Lain was very well developed instead.
Oh yeah, I know the Wacho bros used a lot of anime in trying to explain their vision for this film to the studios. I'm sure they borrowed tons, and I'm sure they got a lot wrong. But they still made a cool flick.
lol.... this thread kinda got off topic hahahahaha. Its kinda funny. I am some what worried about this sequel. The reason why I'm worried about it is because Mr.Bay I don't think originally wanted to make sequels out of it but he had the writers leave enough openings in the story to expand or explore other directions. The strongest three movies ever made telling the same story is Lord of the Rings and nobody can deny that. The reason was JR Tolkin was not a writer, he was a story teller. If you think of Starwars the story is basically modeled right after Lord Of The Rings. Sorry Mr.Lucas. Starwars just got made as a movie first and was visually revolutionary. As was Lord of the rings. I've yet to see a CG character rendered I liked more than Golum.
Sequels in general come with a can of worms. Fan's expect you to be as revolutionary as the first movie, tell a continuing story thats just as engaging if not better than the first one. Which is almost impossible to do cause of the psychology of people by nature. Its no longer a new experience and therefore one is not as engaged with it the second or even third time around.
I think if your going to do a Trilogy you should plan to do one from the beginning. The plot will be stronger with the screen writers, the story over all will have more continuity, you won't have casting problems, the production crew will know what to expect as well.
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I am new and this is a quote;
"I am some what worried about this sequel. The reason why I'm worried about it is because Mr.Bay I don't think originally wanted to make sequels out of it but he had the writers leave enough openings in the story to expand or explore other directions."
"I heard it was already in works...part 2 during the release of t1. I personally think it was meant to be that way. I have no prob with this.
Though I thought the reference to devastator/brawl was a mistake! As DEVASTATOR was a decepticon formed of multiple decepticons in the form of construction equipement....hhhmmmm...; And the destruction of jazz;" A fanboy thing though."
Last edited by raddimus; 12-07-2007 at 04:47 AM. Reason: I'm new and didn't post as a quote.
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well, i asked orci on dons site if they were going to write the movie with a sequel in mind. he replied that they were just focusing on this next installment.
Re: should bay do what they did with POTC 2-3
I figured as much; thanks for the info/update. I just hope bay doesn't throw popular names out there, for the sake of havving that name in the movie. Though if he does I'm still gonna see it. and i'll probably still like it.
although that tank which shoulda been called brawl; is akin to calling proffesor-x of the x-men movies collossus,and wolverine being called proffesor-x.
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Re: should bay do what they did with POTC 2-3
If you want to go there, Star Wars is a rip off of a lot of things before you ever get to Lord of the Rings. The two biggies being Kurasawa's Hidden Fortress (which has the droids, Leia, Obi-wan, the Empire, and the Rebellion) and Herbert's Dune (which has a desert planet, a Chosen One, a father who tries and fails to save the universe, only to be replaced by his twin children, primarily his son who takes up the burden of magical leadership while his daughter becomes a political leader).
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