Official RoTF discussion thread **PART 2 /Reviews go here** [ SPOILERS ]

[nelson]

Ok, I'm done with this racism discussion. It's only going to lead to more trolling and flame wars.

Anyone who wishes to talk about this any further, you have a couple options:

• Start your own site/forum
• Send a PM to someone who cares

The alternative is to become a persona non grata on these boards and risk getting banned.

[Ultra Magnus]

So the shard that was stolen use to revive megatron, why didn't sam use 'his' shard to revive OP back?

The reasons already given were good ones, but I'd like to add that they couldn't have, even if they knew it would work and they wanted to: they were on the run at the time and couldn't return to the other Autobots. It was a colossal gamble just to go to Simmons; what about the security around and in the Autobots' base at Diego Garcia? Sam wouldn't be able to get near Optimus without being seen and recognised, and not all of the guards may be loyal to Lennox, so they'd probably arrest Sam on sight and not let him near Optimus or the other Autobots.

Plus, they probably forgot about the shard because of their present situation, only to remember it later when they were searching for Jetfire, at which point their priority was interpreting the ancient symbols to try and figure out what the Decepticons want.

Did Optimus lose all of JetFire's parts at the end of the movie, or just the wings?

I think he lost all of them; on the aircraft carrier at the end, he looked like his normal self IIRC. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that count.

[taybrian1]

I thought of something when I was at work...Optimus Prime doesn't swear. We've heard some of the other Autobots use colorful language, (Bumblebee probably would if he actually spoke,) but he never has. It gives him an elegance that probably goes unnoticed.

[Optimash Prime]

I thought of something when I was at work...Optimus Prime doesn't swear. We've heard some of the other Autobots use colorful language, (Bumblebee probably would if he actually spoke,) but he never has. It gives him an elegance that probably goes unnoticed.

Truth he is a classy leader and Bay didn't tarnish that image...... great observation Tay!!!

[Shadow]

Truth he is a classy leader and Bay didn't tarnish that image...... great observation Tay!!!

Ratchet has never either.

[nimrod323]

Ratchet has never either.

yeah,thta is true. Ermm guys when BB came out and neutralised all the kitchen appliances, sam asked him to get back into the garage,i heard BB saying "Whatever" haha, did you guys notice that?

[berrycoolz]

Ratchet has never either.

I believe the closest thing to it is him saying Fool (ROTF). "This fool has been misinformed" or something like that. During the deactivation of NEST scene.

[taybrian1]

Ratchet has never either.

That's true. I guess he has a lot of class too. Then again, we haven't seen him trying to heal a bot that just wants to get up and go either.

[DECEPTICON-BITCH]

You have one post and you joined this month, so its fair to say your brand new around here. I just want to let you know, thats how we get down around here in this forum. So you either deal with it or kick scrap metal. Nobody is making you stick around here, so if you don't like it you can take the good, bad, the hate, the love, the ugly and the beatiful with you to another forum.
"PUNK ASS DECEPTICON,"- iRONHIDE

Yes, I am new here. I'm not a forum/blogger obsessed internet nerd by any means and have no regrets about that. As a huge Decepticon fangirl I really feel this movie was a kick in the pants to everyone who doesn't give two shits about the panzy ass auto-dorks. If thats how I or anybody else feels, I think we should be able to voice that opinion and not have some pizza eating geek delete it because he doesn't agree with it. Thats not what a forum should be. If I get kicked out and banned for that so be it.
AUTOBOT SCRAP!

[taybrian1]

Yes, I am new here. I'm not a forum/blogger obsessed internet nerd by any means and have no regrets about that. As a huge Decepticon fangirl I really feel this movie was a kick in the pants to everyone who doesn't give two shits about the panzy ass auto-dorks. If thats how I or anybody else feels, I think we should be able to voice that opinion and not have some pizza eating geek delete it because he doesn't agree with it. Thats not what a forum should be. If I get kicked out and banned for that so be it.
AUTOBOT SCRAP!

Yay! Another chick on the forums. A Decepticon chick, but a chick none the less. It's been a little lonely around here. HA HA HA!

[halofan1]

I bought Bumblebee tonight.

[Jammed9000]

I bought Bumblebee tonight.

How do you "buy" a fictional character?

oh..crap.. did you mean the toy?

[nimrod323]

How do you "buy" a fictional character?

oh..crap.. did you mean the toy?

os the 2010 Limited edition camaro with TF logos all over it?

[Mech_1000]

AUTOBOT SCRAP!

You had your fun when no Autobot could seem to do anything against Star Scream or Megatron, its our turn now!!
(autobots):deadhorse1decepticons)

[nimrod323]

something hit me while i was thinking of this movie, remember when general morshower asked for air clearance and he talked to that guy who jumped of the plane,he said "how is it this dude can call me while my troops cant despite having the latest quantum krypto gear",in that sense assuming the military satellite is also using this tech tahts the reason why soundwave had to hack the sattellite, quantum krypto supposed to be the most secured and supposedly undeceipherable communication mode invented. though in real life its still in testing, read more here http://www.physorg.com/news160593524.html

[Darth Stitch]

I did this when I was eight years old.... I never thought I'd say this again.

This movie made me crush on Optimus Prime again. And now, Bumblebee too. Heh. (wibbles)

[skyde]

I REALLY wanted to like the movie. Regardless of what my friends had said I really tried. But sadly I could not. The action and effects were mediocre and the story was...well for a lack of a better word confusing. Robots were soulless and in some cases really irritating. The twins had a jar-jar binks kind of effect on me. I really hope that the movie will improve on a second viewing or maybe its my expectations that were too much.

[martinwellbourne]

I thought of something when I was at work...Optimus Prime doesn't swear. We've heard some of the other Autobots use colorful language, (Bumblebee probably would if he actually spoke,) but he never has. It gives him an elegance that probably goes unnoticed.

Optimus may not have sworn - but he does rip off another robot's face, and execute a Decepticon by shooting him in the head at point-blank range. (Ironically something Megatron does in the 1986 movie, killing Ironhide.)

That isn't the Optimus Prime that I grew up with - merciful, noble, almost Shakespearian in grandeur.

[Optimash Prime]

Optimus may not have sworn - but he does rip off another robot's face, and execute a Decepticon by shooting him in the head at point-blank range. (Ironically something Megatron does in the 1986 movie, killing Ironhide.)

That isn't the Optimus Prime that I grew up with - merciful, noble, almost Shakespearian in grandeur.

True but he always engaged in battle this is just an interpretaion of how he would react when outnumbered 3 to 1. Like a mother protecting her young kinda thing. He is still wise and classy and a Leader. But the old series was never this graphic, I agree. But this is a cool interpretation for a live action movie.

[martinwellbourne]

True but he always engaged in battle this is just an interpretaion of how he would react when outnumbered 3 to 1.

He wasn't outnumbered 3 to 1 when he shot a wounded Decepticon in the face in the opening ten minutes of Revenge of the Fallen.

And for those who dismiss the 1986 movie - these lines of dialogue during the Prime/Megatron showdown at Autobot City eclipse ANYTHING from either BayFormers 1 or 2.

Megatron: [surprised] Prime.
Optimus Prime: One shall stand, one shall fall.
Megatron: Why throw away your life so recklessly?
Optimus Prime: That's a question you should ask yourself, Megatron.
Megatron: NO!! I'LL CRUSH YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS!

Optimus Prime: You who are without mercy, now plead for it? I thought you were made of sterner stuff.

[I am aware that "one shall stand, one shall fall" was "paid homage to" in BayFormers 1, but given that the line was put in later, delivered off screen and without the emotional context of the original, I see no reason to get excited about it.]

[Optimash Prime]

He wasn't outnumbered 3 to 1 when he shot a wounded Decepticon in the face in the opening ten minutes of Revenge of the Fallen.

And for those who dismiss the 1986 movie - these lines of dialogue during the Prime/Megatron showdown at Autobot City eclipse ANYTHING from either BayFormers 1 or 2.

Megatron: [surprised] Prime.
Optimus Prime: One shall stand, one shall fall.
Megatron: Why throw away your life so recklessly?
Optimus Prime: That's a question you should ask yourself, Megatron.
Megatron: NO!! I'LL CRUSH YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS!

Optimus Prime: You who are without mercy, now plead for it? I thought you were made of sterner stuff.

[I am aware that "one shall stand, one shall fall" was "paid homage to" in BayFormers 1, but given that the line was put in later, delivered off screen and without the emotional context of the original, I see no reason to get excited about it.]

I agree but this is a different intepretation of Optimus making him more engaging...when your fighting a ruthless enemy you might have to be ruthless

The one thing about the Universe is how things change through others interpretation. May I remind you that energon series is bad but still ones interpretation of TF. All wasn't lost with prime and I find that this time around he was just more engaging to a very engaging deception that just killed soldiers and drivers (bridge smashing scene) . Demolisher deserved a head shot.

Please stop comparing G1 to Bays interpretation they are very different.

[martinwellbourne]

The one thing about the Universe is how things change through others interpretation. May I remind you that energon series is bad but still ones interpretation of TF. All wasn't lost with prime and I find that this time around he was just more engaging to a very engaging deception that just killed soldiers and drivers (bridge smashing scene) . Demolisher deserved a head shot.

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings..."

...Who said that again?

The Optimus Prime I grew up with wouldn't take the life of a wounded soldier. His honour, nobility and dignity set him above that. He isn't just supposed to be "The Ultimate Killing Machine", which is how he's portrayed in these movies (especially Revenge of the Fallen), there's a lot more to his character than that. I thought he came across as muddled and weak in BayFormers 1, and nothing but bloodthirsty in ROTF.

I think this nearly sums up the biggest problem with the franchise; that the film-makers really don't have a handle on the Autobots/Decepticons as characters. Most often they're played for laughs (Wheelie, Jetfire, Bumblebee, The Two Characters I Dare Not Mention, etc) and just have a "funny" accent to compensate.

The Starscream/Megatron dissention was again grotesquely underplayed in ROTF, amounting solely to Starscream beginning sentences with: "Not to be the bearer of bad news..." / "Not to be a pain..." etc.

[Optimash Prime]

At least they remembered to show that chain of command this time around between starscream and Megatron. They can even buld on it for the third. Also, Ironhide and others got no screen time either so maybe the third could cover more or them. I'm just hoping that the directors cut has more footage of the bots.

Sorry this interpretation has got you all fired up ...the 25th anniversary G1 box set came out (I picked it up) its a good time, maybe that would be better time spent for ya then being so angry

[Drake]

Demolishor also killed a crapload of innocent civilians, and would've killed many more. Optimus was in the right.

The 1986 movie is unrealistically absent of many of these things. Amazing how on Earth, the only civilian in danger was Daniel.

[r-type]

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings..."

...Who said that again?

The Optimus Prime I grew up with wouldn't take the life of a wounded soldier. His honour, nobility and dignity set him above that. He isn't just supposed to be "The Ultimate Killing Machine", which is how he's portrayed in these movies (especially Revenge of the Fallen), there's a lot more to his character than that. I thought he came across as muddled and weak in BayFormers 1, and nothing but bloodthirsty in ROTF.

That right goes bye bye when you're hellbent on destroying the human race. It's as almost as if you want Prime to slap Megatron across the face with a velvet glove before they duel at ten paces.

He gave Demolisher the coup de grâce, and as far as the others let's just say Prime isn't f***ing around this time. Pretty decisive, if you ask me.