What was the point of Alice/The Pretender??

[Prime9]

and how does Bumblebee not know she is a decepticon? Ironhide and the other Autobots could sense/smell Decepticons a mile away.

There was honestly NO point to having her in the movie. If Transformers can turn into humans what is the point in turning into vehicles?

[banandy]

Word.

[cdubya]

I agree...she sat INSIDE bumblebee and nothing??

[RyanCz1]

To add unnecessary time. Should have cut that whole segment out.

[darthrage]

BB knew that she there was something wrong with her. But he also know that with communication deficiencies, there would be no way to explain it to him without him freaking out.

So the best way would be just to get her out of the car in whatever creative way possible

[cdubya]

BB knew that she there was something wrong with her. But he also know that with communication deficiencies, there would be no way to explain it to him without him freaking out.

So the best way would be just to get her out of the car in whatever creative way possible

I agree to a certain extent. He was playing the songs thru the radio, calling him a cheat and calling her "superfreak" so he couldve played something like Ojays - Backstabbers, LMAO:lol

[BorrowedTime]

Ummm... were we watching the same movie?

I think Bumblebee definitely knew she was a D-con. As Darthrage pointed out, either his inability to speak, or a desire to keep the situation from going really badly, he tried to communicate Alice's origins more subtly.

The choice of music he played reflected that. The theme from Jaws, and "Super Freak" by Rick James were both hints to Sam. Then by manipulating the chair to slam her into the dash, and then spraying her with that green liquid. Bee was trying to warn Sam from the moment she got in the car.

[5 Star General]

BB knew that she there was something wrong with her. But he also know that with communication deficiencies, there would be no way to explain it to him without him freaking out.

So the best way would be just to get her out of the car in whatever creative way possible

thanks--school these youngster--BB is young son, maybe BB didnt detect a heart---yeah yeah BB is young--u realized that same had to yell for him when the kitchen bots attacked--WTF BB are u deaf?--iron hide is a born soldier--but he doesn't mean he can literally smell them as in odor---do they have sweat glands?...maybe he detects electrical signal--he and rachet cause rachet said in TF1 "i sense the decep are mobilizing "--Anyway--Alice purpose was to get into sam;s head without detection from other human authorities--starscream knows the humans have fire power--they killed Meg--but she failed since makeala (sp) came in a nik of time-----that is why as soons as they left the library--"grindor" was there----guess she told him she failed

nowi havnt seen the movie--im jus going by ads and comic book..lol

[Firefrost]

Once again, it was eye candy, which this film was.

[redqueenar]

A counter-point to Mikaela?

[banandy]

Once again, it was eye candy, which this film was.

Eye candy, fine - but that doesn't mean she had to be a decepticon!

[Prime9]

Eye candy, fine - but that doesn't mean she had to be a decepticon!

exactly, there was NO point for her and it could have been cut out of the movie COMPLETELY.

if bumblebee knew she was a decepticon like some of you say, but couldnt say anything to sam because it might freak him out (which is totally rediculous btw) then why would he not stand by him and make him aware the day after?

pointless

[taybrian1]

I think it was to show that Sam is never safe no matter where he is. She was put in to give more danger to the Decepticons.

[Jennar]

Also Ironhide and Ratchet have been fighting all the time since mission city. Bumblebee has been sitting in Sam's garage, he's most likely out of practice.

-J

[Satan's Camaro]

I can't decide whether I like the Alice storyline or not. On my first viewing I hated it but on second viewing I didn't find it so bad. Would've prefered a vehicle storyline though.

[wingzero]

and how does Bumblebee not know she is a decepticon? Ironhide and the other Autobots could sense/smell Decepticons a mile away.

There was honestly NO point to having her in the movie. If Transformers can turn into humans what is the point in turning into vehicles?

Nonsense.

1) Pretenders do appear in the original animated series and comics
2) Having a Pretender, Insecticons, Devastator is a way to show the general public unaware of Transformers franchise characters and mythology how many forms and sizes the aliens can have and how much menacing they are. It's kinda obvious, do you need it to be explained?

You should read some of the source material to understand why the Pretenders exist. There have been some well written stories about Pretenders that explain the reasons why they wanted to mimic humans, you know.

You can start looking here:

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http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Pretender
Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity

Super-God Masterforce cartoon

Eight thousand years ago, a starship containing the Autobot Pretenders Metalhawk, Lander, Diver and Phoenix pursued the Decepticon Pretenders Blood, Dauros and Gilmer to neolithic-era Earth, where they crashed. Using their Pretender abilities, the Autobots adopted the form of humans. They transformed the very structure of their bodies into an organic equivalent, shrinking down to normal human size to hide in plain sight among burgeoning humanity.

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Dreamwave Generation 1 comics

Pretender technology was originally developed as a form of additional body armour. Pretender shells can enhance their wearer’s physical strength and resistance to damage. More advanced shell designs could shrink down to human size and enable their wearer to blend into Earth society unnoticed.



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IDW Generation 1 comics

The technology was the invention of the Decepticon Thunderwing, and used living tissue painfully culled from live (quite possibly unwilling) subjects to create a powerful symbiotic, living carapace. The goal of this technology was to allow Transformers to survive an impending environmental collapse on their home planet, Cybertron. Even Megatron rejected the concept as unnatural and repulsive. Both cases where the technology was implemented ended in disaster as the melding of the robot's mind with the shell was improperly aligned or hastily executed.

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Note

Humanoid Pretenders' outer shells can be classified into three types at least. Human shells with thermostatic plating such as Cloudburst's are Space-Defense Pretender Shells. Monstrous humanoid shells like Bomb-Burst's are called Predator-Class Pretender Shells. While shells like Bludgeon's are Warrior-Grade Pretender Shells.[2]



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[taybrian1]

Also Ironhide and Ratchet have been fighting all the time since mission city. Bumblebee has been sitting in Sam's garage, he's most likely out of practice.

-J

I would have liked to see more of Ratchet than of Alice. Then again, I am female and don't really like competition that looks that hot.

[Jennar]

I would have liked to see more of Ratchet than of Alice. Then again, I am female and don't really like competition that looks that hot.

Alice wasn't that hot. It looked like she needed a shower, her hair looked like crap.

I would have preferred more Jolt over any of the Alice scenes let alone more screen time for Sidewpie or the Acree bikes.

-J

[OlimusPrime]

She was just a pretty girl that was put in to make the story a bit more interesting, and have a bit of action from her decepticon form and comedy moments out of it in bumblebee. She could do with putting a little weight on though, her legs were thinner than my arms

And what a great college Shia went to - so many beauties - lucky for him and Leo

[banandy]

I would have preferred more Jolt over any of the Alice scenes let alone more screen time for Sidewpie or the Acree bikes.

-J

Agree.

This movie wasted too much time on (ultimately) unimportant characters (Alice, Leo, Twins, etc.).

The 5-15 minutes of time her scenes took could easily have been allocated to Arcees, Sideswipe, etc.

[Firefrost]

A counter-point to Mikaela?

Of course, a little good, a little bad. It made sense to me. Mikaela is no angel but Alice was everywat a Con. I never told my best friend and I watched his expression when she was in scenes. Finally he was like, ah ha! It was cool, see, I can keep some things quiet. All in all I liked the dirty girl approach. it changed the movies gears and sidetracked the people that didn't know. Just like was said above, Pretenders are nothing new and they were giving us a taste of how evil operates. With no rules or boundries.

[banandy]

Of course, a little good, a little bad. It made sense to me. Mikaela is no angel but Alice was everywat a Con. I never told my best friend and I watched his expression when she was in scenes. Finally he was like, ah ha! It was cool, see, I can keep some things quiet. All in all I liked the dirty girl approach. it changed the movies gears and sidetracked the people that didn't know. Just like was said above, Pretenders are nothing new and they were giving us a taste of how evil operates. With no rules or boundries.

Ok, if you're going to do the Pretender concept, then you need to DO it all the way. Nest killer gov't official = decepticon? "Captured" parents at the end = decepticons?

Thing is, this idea has already been done before with the Terminator and X-Men movies.

[BorrowedTime]

She was just a pretty girl that was put in to make the story a bit more interesting, and have a bit of action from her decepticon form and comedy moments out of it in bumblebee. She could do with putting a little weight on though, her legs were thinner than my arms

And what a great college Shia went to - so many beauties - lucky for him and Leo

Not lucky.

I caught it on my second viewing, but Leo's cohorts hacked the admissions computer and stacked their dorm with their "hot 55".

[Firefrost]

Thing is, this idea has already been done before with the Terminator and X-Men movies.

Uh...it's a Transformers movie, right?

[banandy]

Uh...it's a Transformers movie, right?

Right, and...? I'm not following...