Official RoTF discussion thread **PART 1 /Reviews go here** [ SPOILERS ]

[littleman794]

saw it last night, AWESOME MOVIE!!!!!!!! IT WAS THE BEST!!!!!!!!! way more than i expected!!

man, it was awesome..except i have to agree, to many double bots..and (not that i care) you saw Jolt once in car form and 3 times in robot..and you only saw his car form in a quick glimpse...it was awesome..megatron owned and the forest scene was AWESOME

EDIT: devs got balls!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAa...and im also pissed cuz there was nothing after the credits important..isn't megatron supposed to fing the primes and say "arise"? (according to the book)

[nelson]

Maybe becous it was a rotten film?! Every opinion must be respected. If they want to make a third movie that works, they must listen to the critics and get their brains together. Becous TROTF was just no brain at all.

Fuck the critics. I don't listen to their opinions because they do not know how t make entertainment. And who's they? Bay doesn't make movie by committee.

Just because you think it's a bad movie doesn't make it so.

[SamWitwicky]

Maybe becous it was a rotten film?! Every opinion must be respected. If they want to make a third movie that works, they must listen to the critics and get their brains together. Becous TROTF was just no brain at all.

it was a rotten film to you, and others, but majority people on here love bays films, love the transformers brand and love the films and this is the place where we go to discuss our thoughts and views. I feel it's not a place for people to sign up with the forum just to trash the movie. I agree all opions should be respected, but it's like your first time at a new church and walking up to the front to say jesus was rotten. Maybe im trippin' . Have fun while your here though, hope to talk to you after the 3rd film, because i know you wont be posting on these forums for long to talk about transformers or any other michael bay project.

[look out its ben]

I don't think there should be a third film, personally. They've screwed themselves over with this one, and haven't left any room for a sequel. Bringing the Unicron in would seem too predictable.

Everyone in the world knows about Transformers, they can't cover that up.

I would have like to have seen the Autobots gotten their butt whooped, including Optimus staying dead. I would have liked to have seen them not go to Egypt (really, that was unnecessary), and I would have liked to have not seen any romance between Sam and Mikaela.

It's fine while you're watching the movie, but once it's over you won't stop thinking about it and you turn out to hate it because of the crap storyline. Which is why I give it an 8/10 as a film, and a 4/10 as a sequel. You love it while you're watching it, but once it's over you start to hate it.

Pros:
-Optimus was very butt-kicking in this movie, showed he was the leader.
-They explored the mythology of Transformers, more.
-It was the funniest movie I've seen this year.

Cons:
-It was the funniest movie I've seen this year.
-Optimus didn't stay dead.
-Way too many plot holes.
-Too much slow-motion.
-Too many explosions.
-Too many Transformers.
-The fight-scenes were subpar compared to the first film.
-It was very rushed.
-The romance destroyed it.
-Megan Fox butchered her lines.
-They went to Egypt.
-No Autobots died.
-The Fallen did not get any revenge.

As you can see, the Cons out-weigh the Pros by 300+ percent.

I think you summed everything up really well. I definitely enjoyed it while I was watching it, but the moment it was over all of the the problems become glaringly apparent. It doesn't hold up to scrutiny nearly as well as the first film. The great thing about the first movie in my opinion was the impeccable pacing. I realize that they can just hit the ground running with this film since they've already established the Transformers, but there were no moments to build up anticipation for a pay-off. The movie was ALL pay-off, which sadly gets boring pretty quickly. It doesn't seem as though Spielberg was as involved this time around to keep everything in check...

[littleman794]

what trailers you guys see at it? i saw 9, harry potter, and..uuuh...gi joe..

[wingzero]

I think you summed everything up really well. I definitely enjoyed it while I was watching it, but the moment it was over all of the the problems become glaringly apparent. It doesn't hold up to scrutiny nearly as well as the first film. The great thing about the first movie in my opinion was the impeccable pacing. I realize that they can just hit the ground running with this film since they've already established the Transformers, but there were no moments to build up anticipation for a pay-off. The movie was ALL pay-off, which sadly gets boring pretty quickly. It doesn't seem as though Spielberg was as involved this time around to keep everything in check...

The fact is that Steven Spielberg is still the executive producer and Michael Bay not many weeks ago posted a message here on his own forums telling that he watched the practically final cut still with unfinished CGI and so on with Spielberg and it was Spielberg that told him that Transformers2 is Bay best movie to date simply proves that you don't have a point there.
And now I agree. It's a major improvement over the first movie which was already Bay previous best movie I'd say.
The only flaw you could find on the movie is that an extended cut 180minutes or so would have helped many to follow the fast moving plot and action better and to explain everything a bit slower. But whoever watched and liked the first movie should know the pacing that is part of Michael Bay own style.
You can't tell me that the first movie had a slower pacing better suited to you because it was actually way faster than this one. Transformers2 has some brief moments in which things actually slow down, while the first movie just didn't have actually.. or well there were there but they were so short that many back in 2007 were complaining that it was too fast and so on.
And now those same people are telling that the first one was better paced to them when they were complaining about it just two years ago?

[Shadow]

Fuck the critics. I don't listen to their opinions because they do not know how t make entertainment. And who's they? Bay doesn't make movie by committee.

Just because you think it's a bad movie doesn't make it so.

I for one dont think it was a bad movie.... but I do believe it was not as good as the first movie. We all know this movie was rushed and it showed. It was good for what it was and as good as it probably would be because of the time or lack of time they had to make this movie. I just hope the next one will be a lot better and bring back the excitement we had in the first movie. If anyone who has anything to do with the making of this movie is interested in some fresh ideas, hit me up. lol sorry Nelson but at this point i believe I can come up with a great script treatment for the 3rd movie. Im sure youre laughing at this but if given a chance id show it.

[Kumba]

You can not compare the first with the second. The first one was all about the excitement all the hide in the shadows. The second is just pure epic carnage! In a good way lol.

[Shadow]

You can not compare the first with the second. The first one was all about the excitement all the hide in the shadows. The second is just pure epic carnage! In a good way lol.

Epic carnage? not close. Some canage... yes The biggest lose of lifein this movie was the Carrier going down. I thought this was cool.

[look out its ben]

The fact is that Steven Spielberg is still the executive producer and Michael Bay not many weeks ago posted a message here on his own forums telling that he watched the practically final cut still with unfinished CGI and so on with Spielberg and it was Spielberg that told him that Transformers2 is Bay best movie to date simply proves that you don't have a point there.
And now I agree. It's a major improvement over the first movie which was already Bay previous best movie I'd say.
The only flaw you could find on the movie is that an extended cut 180minutes or so would have helped many to follow the fast moving plot and action better and to explain everything a bit slower. But whoever watched and liked the first movie should know the pacing that is part of Michael Bay own style.
You can't tell me that the first movie had a slower pacing better suited to you because it was actually way faster than this one. Transformers2 has some brief moments in which things actually slow down, while the first movie just didn't have actually.. or well there were there but they were so short that many back in 2007 were complaining that it was too fast and so on.
And now those same people are telling that the first one was better paced to them when they were complaining about it just two years ago?

Yes, Spielberg has his name on the credits and I do remember reading that post from Michael, but I think most can agree that his influence on this film is nowhere near as apparant as it was on the first.

I'm not so sure about your claim that the first film is actually faster-paced than this one; they didn't even reveal the Autobots until an hour into the movie! They took the time to introduce each of the characters in the first one, whereas here they all just appear and then disappear a moment later. Michael Bay can certainly pace well as illustrated in films like The Rock or Transformers. This one was more like Bad Boys II (which suffered from a lot of the same problems in my opinion).

The film doesn't have to be 180 minutes longer, it could actually be 10-15 minutes shorter, they just chose to focus on a lot of things that were of little consequence to the characters or the plot. Action should be built around the story, not the other way around

Maybe my expectations were too high and maybe I've been spoiled with some fantastic sequels over the years (The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, etc).

[Firefrost]

All I know is it was bad ass and I'm not going to pick it apart anymore until I see it again and again. The first film went under the scrutiny of a the microscope the first two weeks it was out too. Love it or hate it. It doesn't matter. I think they listened to us, the fans, this time and everyone is still complaining. It's funny actually, not quite as funny as Dev's balls though

[wingzero]

I for one dont think it was a bad movie.... but I do believe it was not as good as the first movie. We all know this movie was rushed and it showed. It was good for what it was and as good as it probably would be because of the time or lack of time they had to make this movie. I just hope the next one will be a lot better and bring back the excitement we had in the first movie. If anyone who has anything to do with the making of this movie is interested in some fresh ideas, hit me up. lol sorry Nelson but at this point i believe I can come up with a great script treatment for the 3rd movie. Im sure youre laughing at this but if given a chance id show it.

The funny thing is that back in 2007 people like you were complaining about the first movie telling the same exact things.. How is that possible?
No, Transformers2 is not rushed. A few flaws like any other production but even James Cameron's Terminator2 has many flaws that extended cuts appeared in the years after release on disc pointed out better and you then wondered why they cut some scenes there were final and could have helped the movie to be even better.
The same applies to Transformers2. I am pretty sure that some scenes were not finalized or even if finalized were not included for whatever reason. Geez, even the recently released never seen before deleted scenes from Transformers would have worked perfectly in the movie and helped it further but were not included for whatever reason.

Transformers2 is a movie that to be 100% perfect should have been 180minutes long but budget constraints surely couldn't have allowed that, unless many scenes with almost zero CGI characters were to be included to save on costs and at that point the movie would have felt boring at various points to many and fanatics would have told that there were too few robots for a long runtime...

[look out its ben]

The funny thing is that back in 2007 people like you were complaining about the first movie telling the same exact things.. How is that possible?
No, Transformers2 is not rushed. A few flaws like any other production but even James Cameron's Terminator2 has many flaws that extended cuts appeared in the years after release on disc pointed out better and you then wondered why they cut some scenes there were final and could have helped the movie to be even better.
The same applies to Transformers2. I am pretty sure that some scenes were not finalized or even if finalized were not included for whatever reason. Geez, even the recently released never seen before deleted scenes from Transformers would have worked perfectly in the movie and helped it further but were not included for whatever reason.

Transformers2 is a movie that to be 100% perfect should have been 180minutes long but budget constraints surely couldn't have allowed that, unless many scenes with almost zero CGI characters were to be included to save on costs and at that point the movie would have felt boring at various points to many and fanatics would have told that there were too few robots for a long runtime...

So you find nothing wrong with the movie? That's pretty incredible. Hey, the majority of us are here because we enjoy Michael's films. We all know the he and his team sometimes listen to what we say on here, so there's nothing wrong with some constructive criticism, especially when a third film isn't too far off.

[berrycoolz]

HMMM! SO WAIT!! Has the fallen been in the nemesis ship this whole time?? I'm confused
This is where Megatron and Starscream were talking after megatron was revived right?
I definitely need to see this movie again.

[wingzero]

So you find nothing wrong with the movie? That's pretty incredible. Hey, the majority of us are here because we enjoy Michael's films. We all know the he and his team sometimes listen to what we say on here, so there's nothing wrong with some constructive criticism, especially when a third film isn't too far off.

There are no major mistakes in the movie other than the fact that if it was 180minutes long it would have worked better for many but then the same would have whined and complained that it was too long, they are already doing that now, so...

Asking for some changes that you think could have worked better to give an advice to Michael Bay and his crew as you being part of the general public is way different from whining, ranting and nitpicking everything telling that the movie sucks and so on when it's just not true. Unless you have to follow an hidden agenda along with all the bashers paid to bring down the movie I see no reason why any normal guy not working in the showbiz for competitors willing to hurt the franchise would ever want to do that, really. That is not criticism, that is bashing,ranting,whining and trying to influence other potential viewers judgement before they watch the movie that usually rely on other people posts on the 'net to find out what other thought of the movie.
Generating so much negative noise against the movie trying to tell that it was the worst movie ever and even just adding a bunch negatives to all the noise already generated by professional bashers simply would ensure that a 3rd movie couldn't be made because if the general public would start listening to all this noise and the box office gross would drop in the next weeks/months until September then the final result would be lower than that of the first movie and you could be sure that the franchise would be stopped and the studios would think to reboot it in 10years time. That is what happens when any big movie fails at box office, either the franchise survives producing cheaper movies with low quality CGI and everything else or the studios simply would stop investing money and think about rebooting it some years later with a different crew.
Is that what you want to happen? And why?
There is absolutely no reason for that, Transformers2 is way better than the first movie. No movie is perfect but this one goes pretty damn close to be perfect indeed.
I see no reason why a fan or a normal guy would ever want to bring down the franchise and kill it so that the 3rd movie wouldn't be produced. Also it wouldn't be fair at all being this movie as excellent as it is. It's full of bad movies that are so ovverrated by critics getting paid to praise them and then when an absolutely excellent movie gets released there are people helping the competition to kill the franchise.. that's insane.

[look out its ben]

There are no major mistakes in the movie other than the fact that if it was 180minutes long it would have worked better for many but then the same would have whined and complained that it was too long, they are already doing that now, so...

Asking for some changes that you think could have worked better to give an advice to Michael Bay and his crew as you being part of the general public is way different from whining, ranting and nitpicking everything telling that the movie sucks and so on when it's just not true. Unless you have to follow an hidden agenda along with all the bashers paid to bring down the movie I see no reason why any normal guy not working in the showbiz for competitors willing to hurt the franchise would ever want to do that, really. That is not criticism, that is bashing,ranting,whining and trying to influence other potential viewers judgement before they watch the movie that usually rely on other people posts on the 'net to find out what other thought of the movie.
Generating so much negative noise against the movie trying to tell that it was the worst movie ever and even just adding a bunch negatives to all the noise already generated by professional bashers simply would ensure that a 3rd movie couldn't be made because if the general public would start listening to all this noise and the box office gross would drop in the next weeks/months until September then the final result would be lower than that of the first movie and you could be sure that the franchise would be stopped and the studios would think to reboot it in 10years time. That is what happens when any big movie fails at box office, either the franchise survives producing cheaper movies with low quality CGI and everything else or the studios simply would stop investing money and think about rebooting it some years later with a different crew.
Is that what you want to happen? And why?
There is absolutely no reason for that, Transformers2 is way better than the first movie. No movie is perfect but this one goes pretty damn close to be perfect indeed.
I see no reason why a fan or a normal guy would ever want to bring down the franchise and kill it so that the 3rd movie wouldn't be produced. Also it wouldn't be fair at all being this movie as excellent as it is. It's full of bad movies that are so ovverrated by critics getting paid to praise them and then when an absolutely excellent movie gets released there are people helping the competition to kill the franchise.. that's insane.

Can you show me evidence of this vast conspiracy about people being paid to bash films on message boards? I guess I'm not on them enough; it sounds pretty ridiculous to me. I love the first film, but I can acknowledge that it has plenty of problems. It's odd to think that no one should be allowed to say anything negative if they are a true fan. Where's the fun in every single person gushing over it? Deconstructing/analyzing/nitpicking is much more interesting, especially when you're dealing with the internet.

[donvado]

fuck the critics!!! saw is last night!!! their opinions doesn't count when you see the whole theater clapping and cheering at the end of the movie!! we all enjoyed it!! GREAT MOVIE BY FAR THE BEST THIS YEAR

[Andreas]

The critics are on another planet. A planet called Major Assholes.

Did the comedy made me laugh? Yup. Did the action keep me on suspense? Check. Was I entertained? Hell yes.

And that's what I wanted from RotF. I wasn't looking for a deep story with Shakespearian moments. I wanted Bayhem, and that's what I got, from start to finish.

I will never again listen to critics. I'm gonna be honest and say I was a bit worried when the negative reviews kept coming... Devastator balls? Robot humping Megan's leg? Jive-talking twins? But when I saw all that, it made perfect sense - Bay balanced the comedy, action and drama very well and the outcome was epic.

Thank you, Michael.

[wingzero]

Can you show me evidence of this vast conspiracy about people being paid to bash films on message boards? I guess I'm not on them enough; it sounds pretty ridiculous to me. I love the first film, but I can acknowledge that it has plenty of problems. It's odd to think that no one should be allowed to say anything negative if they are a true fan. Where's the fun in every single person gushing over it? Deconstructing/analyzing/nitpicking is much more interesting, especially when you're dealing with the internet.

On IMDB boards it's so easy to find out who they are just by looking at their profiles. The majority of those nicknames/accounts were created during 2005-2006, practically all of them have only a few posts and became active again after years or many months of inactivity just to bash Transformers2 writing insults and repeating the same thing over and over. How is it possible that different people from all over the globe would write the same exact thing even in the same order?
And checking the user profiles of some people here in Michael Bay own forums it seems that there many new accounts created just to create noise negative noise just like it's happening now on other forums.
This viral marketing technique that competitors are using and scam businesses and web sites make use of is not much different from terrorists techniques after all. They re-activate fake accunts like terrorists re-activate cells. Of course they don't kill people but they use the technique to destroy others products which is far from a good thing.

[Jablonskyfan]

The Moves was in a word.... AWESOME! Thank you Michael Can't for your next.

[halofan1]

I'm wondering how many of you actually thought it was so great and how many of you are just drinking the Kool-Aid because you're on a Michael Bay board.

I'm not a hater, I liked PARTS of it but I thought the film had many, many problems (most of which aren't Bay's fault.) Plus, on other boards people are admitting it's just ok, nothing special.

[nelson]

I'm wondering how many of you actually thought it was so great and how many of you are just drinking the Kool-Aid because you're on a Michael Bay board.

I'm not a hater, I liked PARTS of it but I thought the film had many, many problems (most of which aren't Bay's fault.) Plus, on other boards people are admitting it's just ok, nothing special.

Does it really matter what people think. If they like it fine, if they don't fine. Is it that really to understand that some people liked it pure and simple.

It's not like everyone that likes it is getting a cookie from Bay.

My only thing I wish this movie had more was the Twinz!! There was there weren't enough twinz!!!!!!!!

[Satan's Camaro]

On IMDB boards it's so easy to find out who they are just by looking at their profiles. The majority of those nicknames/accounts were created during 2005-2006, practically all of them have only a few posts and became active again after years or many months of inactivity just to bash Transformers2 writing insults and repeating the same thing over and over. How is it possible that different people from all over the globe would write the same exact thing even in the same order?
And checking the user profiles of some people here in Michael Bay own forums it seems that there many new accounts created just to create noise negative noise just like it's happening now on other forums.
This viral marketing technique that competitors are using and scam businesses and web sites make use of is not much different from terrorists techniques after all. They re-activate fake accunts like terrorists re-activate cells. Of course they don't kill people but they use the technique to destroy others products which is far from a good thing.

Well it obviously hasn't worked in destroying the product because this film is a massive success financially!!!!! So I'm not sure that statement is true!

[cdubya]

The moment i shed a tear was when Optimus said Then i will take you all on! Wow, i was so involved in the story at that point.

I want to say i loved the movie, Michael Bay did an awesome job. Considering all the problems, writers strike and so forth. Revenge had better script and felt more structured and it moved forward much better than the first movie. Less war of the worlds and more superhero movie. It also had more references to the original cartoon "energon, space bridge" and it had so many monents of pure badass and more emotion then the first film.

Fuck the critics, reading reviews for this film is weird. Just go to aintitcool.com The movie is accused of being things i dont think are intentional. Racist? Well if there can be vanilla ice and eminen, can´t there be wannabee hip hop twin robots also?

This movie was the best experience i had at the cinema since the first came out 2007.

I also want to mention i grew up with the toys and cartoon im 27 years old and this movie made me feel like i was eight years old again.

I hope Michael stays on the francise and that there will be a third! It could be even more awesome, with dinobots merging vs this movies devastator.

**SPOILER***

+1 man..I was holding back tears when Prime died in the forest..I was telling myself "BE A MAN!!" But then I saw some dudes wiping their eyes, haha..Then I knew I wasnt alone in my obsession

Also when Sam's dad wouldnt let him go...

[TIMtationX]

Does it really matter what people think. If they like it fine, if they don't fine. Is it that really to understand that some people liked it pure and simple.

It's not like everyone that likes it is getting a cookie from Bay.

My only thing I wish this movie had more was the Twinz!! There was there weren't enough twinz!!!!!!!!

I thought they were hit or miss...at times they were hilarious, other times, not so much.