ok I wanted to reply to the thread why bays directing works

[raddimus]

well I for one am looking forward to friday the thirteenth... I love my horror movies and friday the 13th was one of the first horror movies I ever saw...it's amazing bay is doing two movies now that I grew up with. ive seen the trailers and I got to say it looked good. looks like he's taking it back to the original style.freaking scary. I got really sick of it when he started going to ny,then to hell,then to space...and they had these stupid jokes in the freeking movies. this one looks realy good kudos there bay. that horror drunk guy apparently doesnt know horror....and thank you for what appears to be a lack of cgi...Im sick of cgi horror flicks, a little cgi goes a long way but a lot of it just kills a horror movie...

[Shadow]

well I for one am looking forward to friday the thirteenth... I love my horror movies and friday the 13th was one of the first horror movies I ever saw...it's amazing bay is doing two movies now that I grew up with. ive seen the trailers and I got to say it looked good. looks like he's taking it back to the original style.freaking scary. I got really sick of it when he started going to ny,then to hell,then to space...and they had these stupid jokes in the freeking movies. this one looks realy good kudos there bay. that horror drunk guy apparently doesnt know horror....and thank you for what appears to be a lack of cgi...Im sick of cgi horror flicks, a little cgi goes a long way but a lot of it just kills a horror movie...

I will have to say i agree 100% on everything you said Rad. I too grew up on Friday the 13th and the like and am really looking forward to seeing Bay's take on the movie. It does look good so far from what i have seen in the trailers and will be going to see it. Hell!!! this movie just may bring back my once lost love for true horror movies, because we all know there really hasnt been a true good honest horror movie in quite some time.

[sonic43]

I just skimmed through the first two posts. I wasnted to give my own two cents. First off I am a film student and get knocked all the time for Bay being my favorite director. What i like about Bay and his films is that he knows his audience. When you go to a bay film you know exactly what to expect, Beautifully choreographed action with a good story. Bay knows how to get butts in the seats. I actually wrote a 6 page essay for my class showing how there are many themes in Bay's work. If you watch the action sequences there almost always are character arcs in them, and that is where they should be. I've actually been spending the last few days defending bay on another forum http://viewaskew.com/theboard/viewto...er=asc&start=0

This is a short excerpt from the paper:

Michael Bay is well known for his high octane, action packed films, filled with beautifully choreographed sequences of mayhem. But what many fail to realize is that within these adrenaline pounding films lye many different themes, some of these being trust and what happens when you betray it, morals, having the ability to go above and beyond the call of duty, control, and power. Bay demonstrates these themes mostly through the character development throughout his films.





Thanks.

[raddimus]

I must admit I like what bay did with transformers, But I must respectfully disagree with you...I have never heard someone say they were going to see a movie cuz there favorite director is doing the film. people go to the theater because it is some genre of movie they are into...They also,well alot of people have actor preferences...Like say will smith or ben afleck, or optimus prime, and the guy who voiced him,lol...
I am not a bay hater nor am I a bay butt kisser or huge fan of his, but I do have respect for his directorial vision and workmanship on the sets, he shoots...But as I have said before. Before transformers I had never even heard of him...

[raddimus]

yhea just my opinion though...forgot to subscribe to this thread.

[sonic43]

I must admit I like what bay did with transformers, But I must respectfully disagree with you...I have never heard someone say they were going to see a movie cuz there favorite director is doing the film. people go to the theater because it is some genre of movie they are into...They also,well alot of people have actor preferences...Like say will smith or ben afleck, or optimus prime, and the guy who voiced him,lol...
I am not a bay hater nor am I a bay butt kisser or huge fan of his, but I do have respect for his directorial vision and workmanship on the sets, he shoots...But as I have said before. Before transformers I had never even heard of him...

I didnt say people go because they see bays name. But because it a bay movie there's alot of appeal. The trailer looks entertaining. Al bay films eve if they dont know it bay have a high ticket sales.

[Ed Fuego]

I must admit I like what bay did with transformers, But I must respectfully disagree with you...I have never heard someone say they were going to see a movie cuz there favorite director is doing the film. people go to the theater because it is some genre of movie they are into...They also,well alot of people have actor preferences...Like say will smith or ben afleck, or optimus prime, and the guy who voiced him,lol...
I am not a bay hater nor am I a bay butt kisser or huge fan of his, but I do have respect for his directorial vision and workmanship on the sets, he shoots...But as I have said before. Before transformers I had never even heard of him...

Well, I think that certainly separates many of the fans who were fans of Bay's films before Transformers from those who were/are only Transformers fans. You see, I have definitely gone to the see a movie because Bay (and others) was directing it. In fact, I really wasn't that thrilled with the idea of Bay doing Transformers initially, because Transformers wasn't really something I was interested in. But I was excited about a new Bay film, and once I saw the previews, I became interested (on a certain level) in Transformers.

I agree that people go to the movies based on a certain genre (action films for me), but I think there are any number of reasons why people go to the movies.

I think it's important to understand the various paths people came from to this board.

[nelson]

.I have never heard someone say they were going to see a movie cuz there favorite director is doing the film. p

http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/4485c59f62c530c81691c5de04416c22-130.html

In a recent online survey on Fandango, several thousand moviegoers responded with the top reasons they are seeing Transformers. The results are as follows:

-- 75% were fans of the Transformers cartoons when they were kids;

-- 65% had played with the Transformers toys;

-- 24% had read the comic books;

-- 16% are fans of director Michael Bay.

Welcome to a new world. Quite a few moder and old school directors have that pull.

[kevski]

I was thinking that too. I know lots of people who are drawn to films because of the director.

What has drawn me to Revolutionary Road is because of Sam Mendes for example.

[raddimus]

http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/4485c59f62c530c81691c5de04416c22-130.html



Welcome to a new world. Quite a few moder and old school directors have that pull.

You know now that you point it out... I must admit I guess there are directors, Bay apparently that do have an audience appeal, quentin tarratino, Brian singer, Sam raimi, Etc. the list goes on. So I retract my previous statement. I guess some people do go to a movie cuz their favorite director is directing it. Guess I didnt think that one out to well, sorry.

[uraydo]

...I have never heard someone say they were going to see a movie cuz there favorite director is doing the film...

just of the top of my head here are some features that were big because of the director's name that was attached to it.


many of the Star Wars and Indiana Jones films

Signs and the village

Millian Dollar Baby, Changeling, and Grand Tortino

Superman Returns

Any Miyazaki Film



I'm sure there are others, but I'm not verse in the word of directing, but have seen films just for there directors... like The Island... which sucked... hard... Thanks for that Bay.

[raddimus]

just of the top of my head here are some features that were big because of the director's name that was attached to it.


many of the Star Wars and Indiana Jones films

Signs and the village

Millian Dollar Baby, Changeling, and Grand Tortino

Superman Returns

Any Miyazaki Film

Only cuz yurado flunked out of school and has a lack of reading ability I will reiterate my post that I posted directly after nelsons response....

I am wrong there are people that go to see certain directors films.... like singer, bay, raimi, etc.... This is clearly a case that I adress in my I hate thread... Someone not reading but just being a bay butt kisser. Nelson knows what I meant when I first posted here replied promptly and made a valualble point that Im sure he is aware of... that I recognized and apoligized for....

learn to read... yurado my friend and quit quoting me out of context... quote my whole damn statement and response where I said I was wrong or ...well look like an idiot when I point out you trying to clown and point out my mistake... WICH was excepted




I'm sure there are others, but I'm not verse in the word of directing, but have seen films just for there directors... like The Island... which sucked... hard... Thanks for that Bay.

I had to add myself to your quote.... to reiterate your stupid statements at times...

[raddimus]

You know now that you point it out... I must admit I guess there are directors, Bay apparently that do have an audience appeal, quentin tarratino, Brian singer, Sam raimi, Etc. the list goes on. So I retract my previous statement. I guess some people do go to a movie cuz their favorite director is directing it. Guess I didnt think that one out to well, sorry.

read yurado read... uraydo whatever...

quit being a jerk like you do so often to people incapable to point it out... and taking my threads/ posts out of context... and post just part of it.... as I just did it wasn't huge post the whole thing...

If you didn't read the whole thread and just posted the tiny excerpt you posted then you owe me an apology....most would never demand this of you uraydo... I do I'm Older and see how you try to start things here that, like my post are taken out of context....

Why Would you not post the whole statement it wasn't long I'll quote myself just like my apology....

[raddimus]

I must admit I like what bay did with transformers, But I must respectfully disagree with you...I have never heard someone say they were going to see a movie cuz there favorite director is doing the film. people go to the theater because it is some genre of movie they are into...They also,well alot of people have actor preferences...Like say will smith or ben afleck, or optimus prime, and the guy who voiced him,lol...
I am not a bay hater nor am I a bay butt kisser or huge fan of his, but I do have respect for his directorial vision and workmanship on the sets, he shoots...But as I have said before. Before transformers I had never even heard of him...

before I apologized and admitted I was wrong this was my post... nelson and another pointed out in two different fuacets how I was wrong in my assesment... I apologized as you can read....Not that any one would no... No thanks to ...Yurado... hell I kinda look as you now uraydo as a bull... it'er , thats out to produce cow manure that attempts to spread its crappy smell across feilds of farmland with new growth...and then justified as it's needed and good...

your just a complainer and whiner in my book dude; that tries to point out others short commings by not reading, and taking what they post out of context as I just pointed out above....

No wonder nelson and bay rarely respond too us....(nelson has responded to me, or my threads I've noticed)... But then there's... bay fans/ tf fans like you that make them go Why even respond.... these people are crazy and will take anything I say out of context and possiblly use my own statements to attack my character....

[kevski]

Chill out dood You retracted your statement and it's all good. Don't worry about forum shizz

[raddimus]

yhea I over reacted...one I was drinking...and though my points were valid I got personal and talked like a jerk... and if you take this outta context uraydo I will smear,lol...sorry for sounding like a jerk bro.

[raddimus]

I wont remove my drunken stupor of a rant either....because their was validity to what I said,lol.

[Mobe1969]

I must admit I like what bay did with transformers, But I must respectfully disagree with you...I have never heard someone say they were going to see a movie cuz there favorite director is doing the film. people go to the theater because it is some genre of movie they are into...They also,well alot of people have actor preferences...Like say will smith or ben afleck, or optimus prime, and the guy who voiced him,lol...
I am not a bay hater nor am I a bay butt kisser or huge fan of his, but I do have respect for his directorial vision and workmanship on the sets, he shoots...But as I have said before. Before transformers I had never even heard of him...

I've been a director centric movie viewer for a long time. I do go to see a movie purely on the credits of the director. Actors are honestly with a few exceptions just tools of the directors, and pretty well interchangeable. Other than say Bruce Campbell, Tom Cruise, and maybe now Will Smith I can't say I'd ever be interested in checking out a movie on the basis of an actor in it. And if I come across a director I like I start collecting their body of work.

And with Michael Bay, I find his films technically very very refined. I mean have a look at the Rock on Blu Ray. The film detail is incredible. No out of focus shots. Then have a look at some "critically acclaimed" director like Stanley Kubrick, say have a look at Clockwork Orange, or Full Metal Jacket. Don't get me wrong, I like those films for their stories, but visually they are no treat at all, and acoustically they are so pedestrian. I mean people criticise Pearl Harbor for minor inaccuracies but laud Full Metal Jacket, where the only accurate thing in it was R Lee Ermey, and I bet he bought most of his dialog with him. And A Clockwork Orange. I love the story, and the way out designs of it, but FFs the camera work was some of the absolute worst I've ever seen anywhere. Continually out of focus or poorly focus shots. There were interior dolly shots in Home in is where I swear they did not touch the focus the entire shot. There was even one really protracted shot of Alex when he went home after getting out of jail where he was sitting their crying - his frigging face was out of focus the entire shot, and it was a setup static shot and he never frigging moved. The focal point was about 15cm in front of him as you could tell by where the image was actually in focus where his hands were around his belongings. Kubrick wore thick glasses for a reason. He was probably 3/4 blind. I love the stories, but FFS the movies visually and acoustically are shit.

But yet peoplse kiss Kubricks ass and look down on Michael Bay. People are stupid.

[Chemical Superfreak]

I realize you retracted your statement so don't take this as me harping on what you've taken back, but i almost exclusively go to movie because of the director. Transformers was NOT my cup of tea <and i grew up in the 80's> but with Bay's name attached, i was there at the midnight show.

I will say that once you follow a director's work you find yourself seeing less and less shit movies, don't go to a movie based on the trailer/hype/reviews, go based on the talent behind the scenes. Director, writer, producer, stars <to an extent>. That's my motto!

[raddimus]

I've been a director centric movie viewer for a long time. I do go to see a movie purely on the credits of the director. Actors are honestly with a few exceptions just tools of the directors, and pretty well interchangeable. Other than say Bruce Campbell, Tom Cruise, and maybe now Will Smith I can't say I'd ever be interested in checking out a movie on the basis of an actor in it. And if I come across a director I like I start collecting their body of work.

And with Michael Bay, I find his films technically very very refined. I mean have a look at the Rock on Blu Ray. The film detail is incredible. No out of focus shots. Then have a look at some "critically acclaimed" director like Stanley Kubrick, say have a look at Clockwork Orange, or Full Metal Jacket. Don't get me wrong, I like those films for their stories, but visually they are no treat at all, and acoustically they are so pedestrian. I mean people criticise Pearl Harbor for minor inaccuracies but laud Full Metal Jacket, where the only accurate thing in it was R Lee Ermey, and I bet he bought most of his dialog with him. And A Clockwork Orange. I love the story, and the way out designs of it, but FFs the camera work was some of the absolute worst I've ever seen anywhere. Continually out of focus or poorly focus shots. There were interior dolly shots in Home in is where I swear they did not touch the focus the entire shot. There was even one really protracted shot of Alex when he went home after getting out of jail where he was sitting their crying - his frigging face was out of focus the entire shot, and it was a setup static shot and he never frigging moved. The focal point was about 15cm in front of him as you could tell by where the image was actually in focus where his hands were around his belongings. Kubrick wore thick glasses for a reason. He was probably 3/4 blind. I love the stories, but FFS the movies visually and acoustically are shit.

But yet peoplse kiss Kubricks ass and look down on Michael Bay. People are stupid.

Are you serious... I loved transformers and saw blurr scenes. they were done on purpose mind you. also to compare kubrick to bay is extrodinary... The man and the films you talk about were what out twenty or thirty yrs, before pearl harbour tf etc. bay movies man. his cinematography was amazing, with the tools he had at his expense.look at a clock work orange for example no special effects camera wise were available at the time so he took long shots like in the theatre, and close up ones. I believe he also had the camera man do one of the first ever steady cam shots where it follows the kid around in his room... anyways raimi is my director. and bay sorry to say would be bay the explosion guy and thats it without, say raimi. watch evildead and watch the amazing camera use raimi invented then. then watch how that was taken to zena, with bruce... finally the technology became available to add the camera style with special effects, to make movies like spiderman. which entertwined cgi and people cohesively...well more so than anyone else at was able to at the time... And on a last note I have already said I was wrong for saying there arent fans of directors... You guys really need to learn to read. And quit taking my quotes outta context.