Obama won!!

[uraydo]

Hate to break it to you Ury, but that happens alot, didn't start with your tools, or recently. People with less than stellar ethics are gonna do what they do and ruin it for everybody, some professions just attract seedy characters more than others. And that is definitely not a direct correlation with an increase in gun sales. In fact there are probably honest wreckers that do side jobs performing reposessions that have more to fear about when a guy is shooting at them for hooking his Mercedes that he's delinquent on, to their flatbed.

This isn't about gun sales.

[r-type]

I think I was a little unclear. Since I have been with out a car for a few weeks now I haven't seen gas prices. when I finally did on thursday, they were around $2 a gallon. Why did they fall so quickly? after that, I had a discussion about government which kind of reignited my hatred of the Federal Reserve Bank. The discussion was about more things than that of course. We also talked about motive for 911, motive for Iraq, and some other real conspiracy stuff. Then I was asked "why don't you do anything about it?" my first responce was "what can I do," but that's a pansy's responce so I changed it to " Why don't I do something?" I still haven't found the answer.

I felt like this who election was a farce, and not be cause McCain lost cause I didn't like him either. I think our whole goverment is a farce to destract us from the fact that our whole nation is run by the almighty dollar. A dollar that is backed, not by our government or a tangible object like gold, but by a bank. and who is responceable for the economy? Banks.

and don't even get me started on the 700 billion dollar bail out that we will never hear of again. I hope AIG is enjoying their spa vacation.

I'm not trying to scare anyone. I'm trying to make them mad. and you should be mad. your country has taken you for idiots. Don't believe me? They don't even trust you to vote correctly. can you say Electorial College?


it seems that a lot of shit has happened to me over the past few weeks and it's making me mad. I'm mad at the way things work. and I'm mad because I don't know why I don't do anything about it. I think we should all be mad. That's what won the Revolution and that is what won WWII. I want to win my country back.

My main point of it all is that I think you are confusing getting mad about it here versus getting mad about things in general. There is no questioning whether or not there are things to be mad over. People just vent differently. Your catharsis is not my catharsis, so to speak.

As far as certain conspiracies go, I tend to defer to Hanlon's Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

[r-type]

This isn't about gun sales.

The way your tools getting stolen aren't about a revolution.

Syntax is your friend. Clarify your statements in the future.

[Z28 Autobot]

Yea obama won. A term and a half senator with a good talk and no track record of accomplishments. In a "perfect storm" if you will for him to come riding in to save the country. A building recession, gas and energy problems, unpopular conflicts in the middle east. Houseing market colapse and so on.
WE BLAME BUSH!!! Wonderful. We blame it on the Republican party. Sure just like the Ministry of propaganda wants us to beleive.
Truth is. Bush sucked yes, he was slowly running things to a halt. But wait back up a few years. Who won the majority vote a few years ago in our goverment. What side is Pelosi on? What leader of what party is she from? What party is Barney Frank from? One of the top dogs who put us in the finacial mess need I go on...so who are these people??? Ohh the Democrats.
Ever since the Democrats took office the economic downturn kicked into high gear. Wonder why?? Ohh we blame Bush...and the republicans.

Now I will not go deeper into why it would be hard for Obama to impress me as a president considering his track record and histroy. But let me say this. McCain was not the best choice either. The only reason for him to be in office was his military background. In a time of war you do not elect a soft goverment. Like we just did. But hey time will tell. but again let me say I am not making choices for either side.

Truthfully I feel we lost this republic a long time ago. We lost out to long term goverment officials, big buisness taking control of "We the people" and screwing up the ideas of what it means to be a represenative to the people of the U.S..We as a country sold out. To foreign powers, greed and coruption. And our escape goat.. we blame BUSH!

It is time that we have more than just the same. Do you wonder why it always comes down to only the Dems or the Republicans? Why is that.
And now that we have a Domocrat goverment with a minority opposition. You might see change. But it might not be what you want.

I think there should be more than just a two party system. Yes there is more parties but in reality the ministry of propaganda shuts them out. Again ask why? Obama won by just 3% of the popular vote. That is not a huge number. Sure the electoral vote was more. And you wonder if were a democracy are we not a republic..think about it. 3% thats 1/2 the country not wanting this "change" and if Obama is not doing a good job its a big enough voice to change the way we think about our new president. He did not get us in this mess but putting an untested year and a half official in to change the majority of the same. Good luck. I don't see how either of them would of change a thing. But I would of liked to know that a military guy was the CIC when the crap hit the fan.

and a side note..did you know in the polls with the military and active service members serving in the battle feild. They wanted McCain to take office. Think about that for a while. These were the men fighting the war and thay wanted McCain. not some hippies crying we need to be out of there, cozy in thier homes playing transformers..

[barricade505]

I happen to love transformers.I voted for Obama.I must be a Hippie.!!Hippie Hip Hooray!!!

[Trailbreaker]

But seriously, election's over. The people have spoken, even it it were by a 3% margin. Obama will be our new president. End of story.

And yes, I do blame Bush for all of my problems, I once bashed my knee on the coffee table, it was Bush's fault.

[megatron42]

hate to say this but the problem goes back to clinton.. not bush

[Trailbreaker]

hate to say this but the problem goes back to clinton.. not bush

Yeah but put Bush in office and don't expect him to fix the problems that Clinton has caused. It's not a matter what they do, it's a matter of what they don't do. That's why Bush fails, he didn't do anything.

[Trailbreaker]

And it's not always "look at what the last Democrat did" or "look at what the last Republican did", look at "what the last president did". We have had some very great years under both Democratic and Republican administrations.

I just want a guy who can clean the place up from the last administration, that should be the first priority of the new president. It sure wasn't Bush's, he only made the mess bigger, by doing nothing except what his party wanted.

[Z28 Autobot]

I happen to love transformers.I voted for Obama.I must be a Hippie.!!Hippie Hip Hooray!!!

No your just in the minority of what your fellow soldiers were voting for. And by the by. Nice little scandal going on about nonvotes from the servicemen overseas. Voted but yet never got counted in the last 3 presidential elections...hmmm..somethings not right.

But seriously, election's over. The people have spoken, even it it were by a 3% margin. Obama will be our new president. End of story.

And yes, I do blame Bush for all of my problems, I once bashed my knee on the coffee table, it was Bush's fault.

Yea 3% meaning half the country is not with Obama or his leadership and voted for McCain and what he stood for. Tells you something that its not like we were all for a change with someone with no leadership skills. So he is going to be on very short leash as far as puplic opinion goes.

and that leads me to this...

hate to say this but the problem goes back to clinton.. not bush

TB and the rest..Megatron actually got it half right. Some of these things got going at the end of the 80's yea that far back the Reagan Bush admin. and the Bush Quayle admin. That long ago.
But let me ask you since we are pointing fingers on presidents. What did he and did he not do? and I ask this in what you said..

And it's not always "look at what the last Democrat did" or "look at what the last Republican did", look at "what the last president did". We have had some very great years under both Democratic and Republican administrations.

I just want a guy who can clean the place up from the last administration, that should be the first priority of the new president. It sure wasn't Bush's, he only made the mess bigger, by doing nothing except what his party wanted.

I ask this for one reason. The President only has so much power. Heck Clinton figured this out and found out how hard it was to actually get people to go in one direction. How does one clean the place up. Let me put it to you this way. If you think the President has absolute power. Your dreaming. For the most part the laws past by our goverment he has not much say in it. And let me ask you this. The last 2 years of the Bush Admin. What party controled the goverment. What party was involved in the credit crisis, the lobyist who pushed for that? What party was involved in the sub prime morgage problem thats brining us down right now? What party just passed a 700 billion bailout that is not working since it was lobbied by special interest groups for not much in the way of restrictions. This is the same party that just gained ground in this election that will be in office when Obama is sworn in on the 20th.
That party that did all that damage...the Democratic party..The president elects party. The controling party in our goverment.
Your telling me that the party that did all this damage with a republican president is going to be changed? HECK NO! In fact now that they have a president on thier side. It is going to get worse. Again why? WE ELECTED THE SAME OFFICIALS THAT WERE IN THERE WHEN THE MESS STARTED!

And just to point out the other side. McCain would of done about the same or worse since him and Pelosi do not see eye to eye. So no. BOTH OF THEM would of been the lesser of the two evils..whoever won.

But again going back to the "what will he change" I am asking with Obama's track record of change..the great ideas hes backed up in action..umm..well the tough bills he has voted for that ..ohh umm..the long senate career that made him stand out....ohh wait nevermind..hes got no credentials to back his talk up. sorry not going to buy into it. But hey if you like living in a socialist goverment as it is being turned into now with the bailouts the Democratic controled goverment churning up the BS it started 2 years ago. There is no baby bush to kick around now that basically held the fort down, to say that Bush has done nothing..well have we had another attack on U.S. soil since 9-11?? No?? Yea I call that something, I would bet my life that if it was anyone else in there 9-11 would not have been the last. But hey if change is what you want you will love the Marxist ways that will be implimented when Jan 20th comes around.



and ohhh...here is one to put you noodle in your hat..7of9 is the reason why Obama is in office.
I will not say any more of it but just google it. Why 7of9 is the reason our president elect is Obama.

[uraydo]

But seriously, election's over. The people have spoken...

Ha!


... Oh, was that not a joke?

I serously doubt we have much say in anything. hell, the only give us two choices for president. multiple choice questions have more options.


I know what you are say, "uraydo, you can write in how ever you want and there are more parties that nominate presidents."

well, person in my head, we will never elect a president the media doesn't support which means we will only have two choices for the foreseeable future. plus, I doubt the electoral college will vote for a person that is not democrat or republican.

I mean, isn't two options the bear minimum for having a choice?

[Trailbreaker]

In a presidential election, two is all you got. Pick the third guy and you are only helping one of the big two, that's why third parties are nothing but spoilers. Nader is probably the reason Obama won, took votes away from McCain. But hey, maybe Nader could have stolen votes from Obama. What nobody voted for a third party? Maybe McCain would have won, maybe it was a tie. Who knows. But if McCain won, it would also probably be by a 3% margin. Would I cry? Probably. But hey, he would be the next president. Oh well, we tried, better luck in 2012. Had McCain won, I would not be sitting here mad at the world like you guys are after Obama won. I think both guys would have made great presidents, but I wanted one over the other, because of what he stood for. Besides, Obama is not even president yet. Who knows what will happen, maybe he will get things done, maybe not. Who knows. We will just have to wait and see. Don't get all pissed off just yet. I know you're mad at the system, it's corrupt, flawed, unpredictable, etc. But where would we be without one?




Of course, what do I know? I'm just a kid.

[megatron42]

wrong trail they said bob barr was going to give obama the win.. who knows

[Trailbreaker]

Well, whoever it was, they swayed voters from one of the big two. Whatever.

Anyways, I am officially done here and am going to try to get back in TF2 mode.

[Z28 Autobot]

I am not mad what gives you that thought. LIke I have stated the ONLY reason I voted for McCain was the military side of it. If we were in more of a peaceful time. I might of voted for Obama and given him a shot.

And I think uraydo gets what I am talking about!!!

Ha!


... Oh, was that not a joke?

I serously doubt we have much say in anything. hell, the only give us two choices for president. multiple choice questions have more options.


I know what you are say, "uraydo, you can write in how ever you want and there are more parties that nominate presidents."

well, person in my head, we will never elect a president the media doesn't support which means we will only have two choices for the foreseeable future. plus, I doubt the electoral college will vote for a person that is not democrat or republican.

I mean, isn't two options the bear minimum for having a choice?

Thank you. The two party system is corrupt. And guess what we just voted into the highest office a leader from that party. The party that put us in this mess. Every law maker invovled with the last few major economic and finacial issues had a little "D" next to thier name on the TV and guess what that little "D" is now CIC. Problem is we were blaming a president with a little "R" next to his name for all the problems. :lol
The funny thing is the President right now has the worst approval rating in recent history..yet could someone tell me what the Democratic congress' approval rating is?? Ohh yea worse than the president. This same congress that put us in this mess is going to fix it. The same congress that had a republican stop measure at the top if he didnt like something now has open doors to pass anything on thier wim.

I like I said am not mad but like uraydo pointed out just boggles my mind that we get railroaded into this two party sytem that is driven by the ministry of propaganda. Once called the news.
So again I ask like above I will shorten it to simply this..
I voted for McCain for the support of our soldiers in harms way for him to have thier voice in these next four years as he has done in the senate for so long, and thats just one issue I supported from McCains history in goverment..
Now tell me what and all I want to know what was one major point or peice of legistlature that Obama pushed through or trumpeted in the senate all the way through till it passed? Give me one great policy that he has backed that might not of been the popular choice? Something in his past that shows me that he would be responsible in his duties. What are his govermental merits to go along with the election to this office. All I ask is just one.One that he firmly beleived pushed and supported that effected this country..just one....

[barricade505]

All in all this thread started out as making a point that people in Chicago celebrated his election results.Then it went and turned into a debate about how terrible Obama is for the U.S. and how McCain would do better.And many would argue that Obama is the man for the job.This can go on for pages here.The votes have been made and the decision final.For the record,many here in New Mexico voted Obama.Not just a small Minority group from the military.I am no longer in the military and really never voted till now.We were told that "getting political" while serving in the military is looked down on.You follow your orders and there is no debate about what your orders are.I never voted from 18-34 yrs old. I were so ignorant about current events involving U.S. ,that when we arrived in Iraq as a soldier,I expected to be facing Taliban soldiers and finding weapons of mass destruction. I care about the soldiers well being too.To say McCain supported troops and Obama doesnt is like saying anyone who supported McCain doesnt support troops.That is wrong.Dont throw that crap at us Obama supporters.I voted Obama because McCain supported Bush 90% of the time.We all know Bush failed as president and in the planning and exceution of freeing Iraq.Then he got re-elected?I wont support someone who supported a failed president.I do know that during the presidency alot of bad things happened to Americans here and abroad. N.Y. to New Orleans.Afghanistan to Iraq.Anyone thinks they are better than Obama has the right to go out and run against him.Prove that they have the answers*hint*hint.As for R-types comments pointing out our limited choices,I agree.Hopefully this presidents work during his term is good and good for all so that people reallly open thier minds to all possibilities.Even one day having more than two choices?All I know is he is president and I hope for the best in America.To argue his faults now is too late and a day or too short.All I can hope is that America gets better,rather than point out that doom is ahead.So my hopes for good for our country as a whole is my wish,not doom.So heres to the next four.If anyone should bitch about things past,we should bitch about how bush got re-elected.

[barricade505]

Here's goodbye to Bush..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLvBUSJucg