does anyone else feel the picture quality is a little grainy?
I gotta 42" LG LCD last year.
Anyways, so when I popped in my TF DVD, it look like alot of the night shots and sometimes indoor shots are unusually grainier than most of the other DVDs I have.
Did they rush the transfer? Cuz it only took 3 month between its theatrical release and the DVD release.
There's a alot of "noise" specs on the screen. Anyone else notice this?
Maybe because a HD TV needs a movie in HD-DVD?
You are wrong on that Nelson, the shots are grainy, I forgot all about that.
That is one of the biggest problems I had with Transformers.
Alot of the night shots were very grainy in the actual film itself. No, they didn't rush the transfer as studio DVD's where out before the films release. During filming, the D.P. exposed to low and they had to pull it up in post, thats what happens when you leap frog D.P.s
P.S. Thanks for fixing my status Nelson!!!
Last edited by elemental fantasy; 10-17-2007 at 04:56 PM.
Originally Posted by nelson
thats probably true
but then I was watching my Criterion DVD of The Rock and the picture quality is pretty much flawless.
The picture quality for the for the entire Arrival of the Autobots scene has lots of noise specs.
I'm sure the problem will be gone when I watch it on HD-DVD but for a DVD, I've seen alot of movies with pretty flawless picture in their night shots. That was something that me and my brother noticed while watching it.
Is there a type of video cable that you can attach to your DVD player to your TV that can improve the picture quality, other than S-Video.
Ok dude, fuck off then. I just told you EXACTLY why there is grain in TF shots, and you completely ignore the post. Piss off, and no you cant fix the grain problem.
I noticed the problem at every theater I went to.
I am sorry for my anger, It might be able to be fixed, but as far as what I know, thats how the dark parts of the movie turned out. Now resume pissing off.
Last edited by elemental fantasy; 10-17-2007 at 08:53 PM.
Thats funny, cuz I never saw any graininess when watching it in the theater. The picture was crystal clear. It was only when i watched the DVD that the picture got downgraded. during certain night scenes.
It was predominant the certain Pentagon control center scenes as well as scenes after the neighborhood blackout caused by Ratchet.
And don't apologize for your anger. You obviously got issues with anger so thats a personal matter you need to do deal with on your own and I wish you luck with that. My word of advice; calm down, its just a movie.
You should be a moderator that way you can close a thread immediately after you have responded to it with your profane responses because you're pretty much telling me to shut up after your response. I responded after your response cuz I want to hear the opinions of other forum members and you're trying to make my original question invalid......are you 15? Where your answer is the only answer and everyone else is wrong?
And make more sense in your response because first you say it can't be fixed and then you say "maybe" it can be fixed. You lose all credibility for that. I asked a very valid question.
PWN3D!
Now lets stay back on topic without the use of cuss words.
Last edited by darthrage; 10-17-2007 at 09:44 PM.
wow...talk about ridiculous
Yeah, but when I give you a post explaining darkness and you completely ignore it, it kinda ticks me off.
I did give you an honest answer, it was due to underexposure during production. Your next post clearly indicated that my post didnt matter and was way off. It is a simplistic fact of under exposure.
Workin on the anger thingy. : )
P.S. I am insulted that you ignored my post and sided with Nelson. I still am with your responses. But dont blame you. I also say maybe it can be fixed with digital tech. Keeping an open mind. Also, dont tell me not to say sorry, in case you didnt notice, just as you didnt notice any grain during the theatrical screening, I said sorry because I know I am out of line for getting angry.
Again, anger gets thrown on here from other things, like nelson not changing my status back when he does so for everybody else, other things, and yes X, it is ridiculous. Thats why I say sorry. Nothin against Nelson, he rocks!
Not that anybody here cares, but my fience past away a few months ago among other things, so forgive me for misguiding anger at you darthrage. Perhaps we should change screen names. lol Overall, you did ignore my post and it ticked me off, for my response, I am sorry. My life is just rapidly fallin apart.
Last edited by elemental fantasy; 10-17-2007 at 11:55 PM.
Reading that I assume you're using S-Video (?). From S-Video there are a lot of better cables out there. You should at least run a Scart from your dvd-player to your tv's RGB Scart input and then turn on the RGB in your player's setup. Beyond that there are component cables, DVI and HDMI. If you've got a newer player there's a big chance you've got component or HDMI output (or with an older but expensive player). But for those you also need to have the correct inputs in your TV (wich isn't always the case).
This won't remove any grain or anything but it'll make the picture a lot clearer and with better colours. I bought a 120$ scart cable a couple of years ago and was blown away by the huge difference it made compared to a 'normal' scart.
Your homecinema is only as good as it's weakest link
HDMI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
Component http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video
SCART http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scart
Last edited by Universal Kalle; 10-18-2007 at 07:41 AM.
"Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder but ugly is there for everyone to see", Kevin Gilbert (1966-1996)
re: does anyone else feel the picture quality is a little grainy?
Nelson "Maybe because a HD TV needs a movie in HD-DVD?"
That's a good scenario Nelson. It can go both ways with that. If you get a DVD and view it on an HDTV, it may become grainy because of pixels of the DVD resolution. When you upgrade to HD-DVD, Blu Ray, or Satellite in (720p, 1080i, 1080p,) you won't get pixelated. It will become grainy because the "Sharpness" of High-Definition will expose the film's or video's grain.
One example is Miami Vice (2006). Michael Mann loves shooting in HD on the Viper Cam at night. When I popped in the HD-DVD/DVD combo disc, I've watched the beginning when Crockett and Tubbs was talking to the SAC of the FBI showing the Miami skyline. Viewed on a 42" LCD Sony, the DVD showed less HD grain, but more pixels from the DVD. The overall imagery is softer. However, the HD-DVD side exposed the fine details of the Viper cam's HD video while it showed more grain from the Viper cam.
Elemental Fantasy
"Alot of the night shots were very grainy in the actual film itself. No, they didn't rush the transfer as studio DVD's where out before the films release. During filming, the D.P. exposed to low and they had to pull it up in post, thats what happens when you leap frog D.P.s"
I see where you are coming from Elemental Fantasy, you are exactly right about that. The cinematographer, Mitchell Amundsen has only a few films under his belt. So I cannot judge him since I haven't seen any of his work. Transformers is the first I've heard of this guy. It also various on film stock used with different grain structures.
I've shot on 16mm before,35mm still and HDV with 3-ccd. Shooting at night is hard, and overexposing can be good for one purpose. If you light a scene a little too dark, you can wing it by overexposing it a tad. If the scene is lit too dark and then overexposing, it will come out like mud (Dark greys, browns) showing no detail. This mainly apply to both Film and digital, with the only difference being that HD you have to protect the whites and film it's the other way with blacks.
Bad Boys II had the same problem with Amir Mokri, it's quite noticeable in the beginning when Martin said "Someone shot me in the ass!".
Considering Transformers came out a few months since the theatrical run, the transfer is very good. I got it on HD-DVD the day it came out. Long live HD!
And one more thing I want to add EF, if it was shot in Super-35. It would have probably been more grain. Since only have the film print is used for an anamorphic blow up. Otherwise, I love the Anamorphic format! I shoot in anamorphic alot and it's a dying format.
Maxwell Burnett-------
Last edited by Maxwell Burnett; 10-21-2007 at 10:16 AM. Reason: Mistake
"ya Crack-head"... LOL I love the improv. I did often wonder how the film looked to people who weren't major fans though.
The only thing worse than stupid people are stupid people who bother me...
Bumblebee1983:
I'm da bomb.
xXRavenXx:
I'm Da Bomb... you can be my igniter though **Humms Light My Fire by The Doors** lol
Bumblebee1983:
As for being your igniter.....umm.....okay.
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**Thrilled with BB Raven sings afternoon delight from Anchorman**
Actually the only scenes I noticed was the shot when BB swerves, opens the door and Mikaela and Sam fly out of the car onto the ground before he transforms. And then from that shot on until BB transforms back into a camaro and then they drive off.
From that moment on, the shots are clean.
After that, when Prime introduces himself and goes face to face with Sam, the shots are grainy again. After that entire scene, everything goes clean again.
And then when Sam's parents are about to barge into Sam's room with 2 flashlights, there is a scene when Mikaela is hiding behind a table or something, thats another grainy shot.
Everything else is crystal clear including other night shots. But just those shots specifically.
Perhaps you guys shouldnt watch TF in HD.
I just rented it from blockbuster yesterday, and there is no grain really anywhere. LOL I guess the lower quality, the less you see. But that seems to delete the grain.
Still waiting to buy the DVD : (
I'm sure the HD-DVD version is quite nice
there's a backwards compatible Toshiba HD-DVD player that I'm waiting to go down in price, hopefully during an Xmas sale later this year
Or I'll wait for the new XBOX 360 that comes with the built-in HD-DVD player which comes out next year
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