*captain America*

[elemental fantasy]

Captain America


My problem isn't so much with our country, but the patriotic hero that represents our failed economic society... I don't know too much about the comic, only what I have read on wiki. But I bring this up cause I am kinda a lil obsessed with him right now. I was thinkin, what comic hasn't been made yet, I landed on him, as the early film flopped. I found out a few days ago they are making a movie in 2011, well, I am just putting together in my head a story/plot idea and some design concepts as that's one movie I really wouldn't want to make, but if I had to, how would I make it cool and get myself to believe in this and accept it as real and not over the top, Iron Man/Hulk style. (just some iron man stuff was too far out there. The Hulk, all of it)


I'm redesigning his costume as all marvel costumes are super crappy. (except spidey) Captain America is one of the worst costumes that follows the DC Batman/Superman cookie cutters, underwear on the outside, freak show costumes. The costume needs to be wicked! (Hollywood can screw up the costume like they do most things, like, the Hulk, X-men costumes, GI Joe costumes, ect. ect. I also think the story needs to be upgraded slightly and changed regardless of the origin. I hate the idea of, it was an experiment gone bad, now he has super powers. Blah, Marvel has some good stuff, but most of there character origins seem to be the same unrealistic crap! (all accept X-men) But I haven't read all there stories, so... I think it will be interesting to see whenever it comes out, and I can look back at my stuff and compare what I had to what they have.

Question, why in the world does he have those stupid lil wings on the side of his head? Those are the FIRST thing to go!!! Followed by the pirate boots and gloves... then the color pattern has to change!
As well, the ridiculous A on his forehead!!!
Plus, I think his suit should be much more practical, kinda like the new batman suit, not patriotic tights/or rubber. Rather a suit for war, as he would probably be one of hundreds of US soldiers genetically manipulated for war. Not just the one sick brave lil volunteer, crappy... I will post what I have when it develops, first thing I'll do, is make the shield

EDIT: Also, if he is for America, he should fight our central governments corruption, that's where the war on terror starts, not outside, but from within our nation!

[Z28 Autobot]

Wow element I was thinking about this the other day..how could they make a Captain America movie in this climate..both here and abroad.

Well one thing is..this is going to be set in WWII.

And it was no accident. It only worked on him..in the comic. and the style well it has been his style since WWII it was about the image of American victory in WWII..and one of the only Superhero's that has kept the costume the same.

And Marvel has given Cap a more "real" costume with some take on the uniform theme.


and the updated one is more uniform type


Like I said the Cap super hero suit is really all the things that they threw together for "liberty" The winglets in his head..eagles wings. the A for America the star the boots and gloves were kinda a homage to the revolutionary war days..It was Jack Kirby that did it so dont go and dis the King of comics..but I know what your saying it will not translate onto the big screen. but maybe some version of these two will.

[Z28 Autobot]

I know you hate the overall costume but I think these take away your biggest gripes and keep the costume we all know.

[elemental fantasy]

I kinda like it Z28, but not at all practical still, even this is kinda cool....



But not practical.....


Essentially, I have been under so much stress, just decided to do this as a fun thing to do, and I get to make a kick ass superhero costume

I set my plot in WWII, but the main part of the story takes place in today's society... with him fighting our own government to better our country. (I dont think I'll have him frozen and come back later, (perhaps his biological tampering turns genetic, and he passes this power onto his son who is Captain...)
The A is gone, instead, there are military wings on the for head, the wings, throughout the course of the film, will eventually make there way to the sides and an A in it's original place towards the end of the film. The costume would develop from a dark blue, black-ops, hard core style underground military suit, into something similar to what we see today, and his shield, it's a gun metal gray, he paints it like the comic towards the end when he discovers the identity of his character I suppose, as well, add's some red and white to his armor... It's just a standard isssue special ops. suit, there are 300 or so soldiers that are genetically tampered with to make em stronger and faster, as well, feel no pain (our government really does shit like that) He is just an old remainder/relic of wwII... He becomes a hero way later in the film.

But NO tights or rubber, it needs to be protective armor, like in the dark knight.

I'll post first round picks of my homemade cardboard shield later today when I get back... It's lookin kinda crappy though.

[The Great]

Captain America


My problem isn't so much with our country, but the patriotic hero that represents our failed economic society... I don't know too much about the comic, only what I have read on wiki. But I bring this up cause I am kinda a lil obsessed with him right now. I was thinkin, what comic hasn't been made yet, I landed on him, as the early film flopped. I found out a few days ago they are making a movie in 2011, well, I am just putting together in my head a story/plot idea and some design concepts as that's one movie I really wouldn't want to make, but if I had to, how would I make it cool and get myself to believe in this and accept it as real and not over the top, Iron Man/Hulk style. (just some iron man stuff was too far out there. The Hulk, all of it)


I'm redesigning his costume as all marvel costumes are super crappy. (except spidey) Captain America is one of the worst costumes that follows the DC Batman/Superman cookie cutters, underwear on the outside, freak show costumes. The costume needs to be wicked! (Hollywood can screw up the costume like they do most things, like, the Hulk, X-men costumes, GI Joe costumes, ect. ect. I also think the story needs to be upgraded slightly and changed regardless of the origin. I hate the idea of, it was an experiment gone bad, now he has super powers. Blah, Marvel has some good stuff, but most of there character origins seem to be the same unrealistic crap! (all accept X-men) But I haven't read all there stories, so... I think it will be interesting to see whenever it comes out, and I can look back at my stuff and compare what I had to what they have.

Question, why in the world does he have those stupid lil wings on the side of his head? Those are the FIRST thing to go!!! Followed by the pirate boots and gloves... then the color pattern has to change!
As well, the ridiculous A on his forehead!!!
Plus, I think his suit should be much more practical, kinda like the new batman suit, not patriotic tights/or rubber. Rather a suit for war, as he would probably be one of hundreds of US soldiers genetically manipulated for war. Not just the one sick brave lil volunteer, crappy... I will post what I have when it develops, first thing I'll do, is make the shield

EDIT: Also, if he is for America, he should fight our central governments corruption, that's where the war on terror starts, not outside, but from within our nation!

all marvel costumes suck? you are ridiculous. In the time that it was made it is a great costume. and it has held up well. there is not much you need to change with it if you want to put it in a realistic setting all you have to do is give him a military belt. Captain America aka steve rodgers is like batman guns don't go with what he stands for. his only weapon is his shield so an overly done costume doesn't make sense at all. The pirate boots actually balance him out pretty well and helps the character stand out. the got rid of the cuffs on his arm so be happy about that. You don't change captain america in order for the story to work his costume has to be the same after all he is a super soldier that america marketed in the comics as the symbol of our country so why the hell would you mute the costume?

[megatron42]

capts shield is made from what wolverines claws are made of adamantium
any one know that

[The Great]

capts shield is made from what wolverines claws are made of adamantium
any one know that

yes and good factoid!

[Z28 Autobot]

capts shield is made from what wolverines claws are made of adamantium
any one know that

The Original Caps round sheild it was made out of a vibranium alloy.

The Ultimate Cap's Sheild its made of Adamantium.

Just to clarify that


and Captain America had a Silver sheild for a time being.


and those other renderings were for the Ultimates line of comics. Its not for the movie.

[Z28 Autobot]

and you mean wings like this instead of the "A"?

[The Great]

and you mean wings like this instead of the "A"?

i can't believe you posted a rob liefeld pic

[Z28 Autobot]

I know I know..the horror..but hes the one that created that POS.

This make up for it

[Chip]

I switched my avatar to this Captain America logo over the July 4th holiday. My biggest frustration is the fact that the character was killed while we are at war. It pissed me off!

[Z28 Autobot]

I switched my avatar to this Captain America logo over the July 4th holiday. My biggest frustration is the fact that the character was killed while we are at war. It pissed me off!

kinda symbolic to whats going on with this country if you ask me..

The dream died.

[elemental fantasy]

THE GREAT: there is not much you need to change with it if you want to put it in a realistic setting all you have to do is give him a military belt.

OK.......:wtf

THE GREAT: Captain America aka steve rodgers is like batman guns don't go with what he stands for.

He has guns up the ass!!!!!!!!!! And will occasionally cause a BIG FUCKIN EXPLOSION!!!
I say this, essentially, because what he stands for is corruption!!! "Kinda..." He stands for AMERICA, and she is corrupt, he, in a way, must become semi corrupt in order to destroy the corruptions core.

THE GREAT: The pirate boots actually balance him out pretty well and helps the character stand out.

Again....:wtf If he is Super Gay......

THE GREAT: they got rid of the cuffs on his arm so be happy about that.

Ahhh, I didn't notice that, forget the whole thing then, his homo tights are practical!!!!

Look, All I am saying is that this was created 1941, for children, even for kids now, things have been upgraded, as well, my version of the Captain will hit the young adults. It will NOT be dumbed down in any way.

THE GREAT: You don't change captain america in order for the story to work, his costume has to be the same after all he is a super soldier that america marketed in the comics as the symbol of our country so why the hell would you mute the costume?

That I kinda agree with... BUT... MARVEL Marketed him, NOT AMERICA!!!
America did it in the comic, as well, WHO THE HELL WEARS UNDERWEAR OUTSIDE THERE TIGHTS, WHO THE HELL WEARS TIGHTS????? Regardless the story, unless it resembles "GENITAL HOSPITAL", or "SAVING RYAN'S PRIVATES" or even "BUTT PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN", the costume doesnt fit the story, not the other way around G. I mute the costume at the beginning, at the end, it resembles a very kick fuckin ass 21st century version of the costume as this is not solely a period piece, half period, half present/future. Also, yes Z28, almost just like that, aviator style wings, and when I am finished, it works into the story on why he eventually moves the wings to the side as appose to the front for his lost friends and family, as well as his divided country that he stands in between corruption and justice of, thats kinda why they are moved to the side, one side represents bad, the other good... in the middle, stand's the heart and soul of America, Captain America!!!!

And as far as adamantium Megatron42, thank you much for sharing... thats cool!!!! But ALL things in lifes delicate cycle can and eventually will be destroyed.....

Ahhh, thanks for the heads up on vibranium alloy Z28!

I've been really busy, but finally got around to finishing this FIRST DRAFT Captain America shield...

THIS SUCKS!!! I almost didn't wanna post the pics, but I said I would, so here is the first shield, I wanted to give it a technical look, but it came out looking more like a Mayan, death star disk... It's hard to share your failures, here are mine.
It has too many layers, the next shield will be finished very soon, and I will place it in the form of a teaser 2011 poster. So.. laugh away...

[Trailbreaker]

I never liked Captain America because he is too much of a symbol of American nationalism. He's just one of those "America saves the day" kinda things that we see like all of the time. Not a great superhero one would look up to if one is from a foreign country. *imagines a superhero named Captain Mexico*.

[elemental fantasy]

^^^ I can never find an argument with this Man!!! (not that I look for one either) I agree, but also, was just thinking....

I picked the one super hero film I WOULDN'T wanna make, and I don't like, and will eventually come into making, and decided....what if I was given the opportunity to make this a flick, :wtf I know........

I don't like the guy much either and think the comic sucks big time, but as a struggling filmmaker, it would be stupid to not accept the directing job, so the only other question, how would I make it cool, without pissing off the 38 fans he has, (38 fans was a joke, sorry, 437 Captain fans...) lol

I love the knowledge comin from here, any body know anything about the comic please lemme know.

EDIT: Also, this Captian will be more of the ideal America, or American.... Something other nations can look up to, someone who will disassemble our nations corruption from the heart of it's core without disassembling our nation (there lies the challenge for all)... Something for other Nations to look up to and admire, My Captian will not be the shit from the comics, so for any comic Captain fans who wanna see a poor sick guy get super powers, get lost! (---kinda harsh) Go see the Captain America 90's version comic film that sank faster then the titanic, or read the comic, if you wanna see something more down to earth and reality based, then watch mine develop.

[Trailbreaker]

Sorry I just had to say something. But you raise a really good point in this thread. Captain America is too much of one of those :wtf kinda things one would try to put in film.

[Z28 Autobot]

I never liked Captain America because he is too much of a symbol of American nationalism. He's just one of those "America saves the day" kinda things that we see like all of the time. Not a great superhero one would look up to if one is from a foreign country. *imagines a superhero named Captain Mexico*.

Well he was created for patriotism. back in WWII. And hes been around for all the important conflicts we have had since.
He is part of the Avengers thats why he works.

Captain Mexico? Well dont be to funny cus there are many country inspired super hero's that we do not read or know about. Heck just in Marvels line there are about 12 at least country themed or inspired costume hero's.
Catain Britan who wears a Union Jack
Not to mention the hero Union Jack
Guardian who wears a canadian flag
Sabere who wears the flag of Isreal

I could go on...and thats just the marvel universe.

[The Great]

I never liked Captain America because he is too much of a symbol of American nationalism. He's just one of those "America saves the day" kinda things that we see like all of the time. Not a great superhero one would look up to if one is from a foreign country. *imagines a superhero named Captain Mexico*.

i think there is a superhero named captain mexico. that is the point of these nation specific superheroes they are supposed to be the personification of the nations dreams and ideals

[Trailbreaker]

Well he was created for patriotism. back in WWII. And hes been around for all the important conflicts we have had since.
He is part of the Avengers thats why he works.

Captain Mexico? Well dont be to funny cus there are many country inspired super hero's that we do not read or know about. Heck just in Marvels line there are about 12 at least country themed or inspired costume hero's.
Catain Britan who wears a Union Jack
Not to mention the hero Union Jack
Guardian who wears a canadian flag
Sabere who wears the flag of Isreal

I could go on...and thats just the marvel universe.

Awesome, a Canadian superhero. Thank you for this interesting information.

[Trailbreaker]

Good points (both you and Z). I still feel like he's a relic of a character though. I don't feel like Cap stands the test of time in a way that we will look at a film about him as anything more than just a period piece. I understand that some will take issue/disagree with that, but it just doesn't transcend the way other iconic characters do.

Correct you are, R-Type. Captain America was pretty much propaganda for WWII.

[r-type]

Hmm. In doing a quick search I noticed that they've attempted to put Cap in an existential dilemma in the past.

[elemental fantasy]

THE GREAT: the point of these nation specific superheroes they are supposed to be the personification of the nations dreams and ideals

That's exactly what I am trying to achieve...

r-type: I guess from the sounds of it EF is going for a more subversive approach?

I hate to say it, but yes.... he is fighting for America, against America, and from my early childhood memories, America was strong, I was proud to be an American. RED WHITE AND BLUE!!!!!
But now, you go to damn near ANY country and Americans are hated, beheaded, and spit upon, we are looked upon as arrogant, which we are!!! We are no longer The United States, we are now an empire! I don't even stand for the national anthem anymore... I don't stand for the shit this country does or has become anymore, and the Captain, doesn't necessarily stand for the country, but rather the ideals of it's foundation, which has been long forgotten since WWII. That's what I am trying to capture, but that's the story's essence, not the entire story.

[Trailbreaker]

That's exactly what I am trying to achieve...

I hate to say it, but yes.... he is fighting for America, against America, and from my early childhood memories, America was strong, I was proud to be an American. RED WHITE AND BLUE!!!!!
But now, you go to damn near ANY country and Americans are hated, beheaded, and spit upon, we are looked upon as arrogant, which we are!!! We are no longer The United States, we are now an empire! I don't even stand for the national anthem anymore... I don't stand for the shit this country does or has become anymore, and the Captain, doesn't necessarily stand for the country, but rather the ideals of it's foundation, which has been long forgotten since WWII. That's what I am trying to capture, but that's the story's essence, not the entire story.

Oh I like that idea. Captain America fighting not for what America currently stands for but what it should stand for. This would be cool on film, it would send a strong message. But the costume however...:deadhorse1:

EDIT: And because of what he woulds stand for does not play well for today's standards, the country (particularly the government) would try to contradict his goals, and put a stop to him. But he would end up proving himself in the end after stopping the "big bad guy" that threatens America. It would be a much darker story for a piece of Captain America fiction.

[elemental fantasy]

Trailbreaker: he would end up proving himself in the end after stopping the "big bad guy" that threatens America.

That's the biggest issue, America is bigger and badder then him. And America is America's biggest enemy!!!

He has to die!!! Our government will kill him at the end, the USA is too big and bad ass, the ones running this country, C.I.A. FBI, NORAD, SPACE COMMAND, NASA, ect. ect. He gets wiped out for pissing off too many higher ups, but not before he is able to correct a few of the nations wrongs, kick a lil ass overseas...maybe, and most importantly, he proves himself to the American public at the end and opens not just our nation, but many nations eyes as to how corrupt their core systems are.

If we kill Bin Ladden, we will piss off too many Saudi allies, that's why he is still alive, however, with the Captain, he has no Royal family befriending our highest government branches, he can be destroyed without pissing off other nations and causing WWIII.
He has to die...



This version is crap too, mostly, resembles too much of the original, not what I am going for, but I am slowly getting there...


I'll just keep working on the shield whenever I have free time. But I have to start to use plastic for the shield, this cardboard crap wont allow me to do what I want to do with it.