Saleen vs. Roush

[Z28 Autobot]

Car Video: Mustang Shoot Out - ROUSH vs. SALEEN - WebRidesTV

[Swift]

hahaha!! Mustang kicks Saleen's ass!! That was a sweet vid!!

[Z28 Autobot]

well its a Roush Mustang

[barricade505]

looks like a roush 427r is the pic of the two when i trade in the sixer.it seems to be the best for the money all around.the 300 pounds weight difference surprised me.i didnt know that and actually thought the roush mustang could be easily beaten by a saleen.Thanks for the vid,it was awesome.now if the roush comes in black with a white stripe?I know that i would like to find a used one from 2005.the price should be good.thanks

[guitarded]

nice vid....but the Roush is inappropriately named.........Why call it a 427R if its powerplant is still only a 4.6 litre?

These companies need to step things up and start using stroker kits in the engines. Or offer their own Aluminum block race motors above 400 cubic inches.


Incidently......Steve Saleen has left Saleen Industries. While the company remains to build mustangs etc...The brains behind the operation has left to Work on his own versions of the new Dodge challengers. He will be making two variants...one of them being a 750 hp option!

Obviously Mr Saleen Got smart and went to where the real horsepower can be made.


.......one last point........my 3 ton dodge truck does 0-60 mph in 4.1 seconds .......soon to be under 4 seconds. Those mustangs don't stand a chance :lol

[barricade505]

Thats what I was wondering too.in the days I thought the badges indicated engine size.....5.0,4.6,3.8...and so on .like chevys badges would indicate engine size.I had a 66 caprice that had 327 badges for the 327 it had.oh well,i woulda thought it meant 427 HP...guess not.

[guitarded]

Thats what I was wondering too.in the days I thought the badges indicated engine size.....5.0,4.6,3.8...and so on .like chevys badges would indicate engine size.I had a 66 caprice that had 327 badges for the 327 it had.oh well,i woulda thought it meant 427 HP...guess not.

They're just reviving old names from the 60's, and adding "R" to them!....Can't wait to see a "Boss type R"
The badges were always about engine size, not Hp!......The exception being the Olds 442, which stood for 4 barrel carb, 4 speed, and dual exhaust

[Razor]

I find the shootout unreliable.

First, they should have tested the cars at least three times (on the same track and on the same weather condition), instead of just one time. That would give a more accurate picture.

Second, they should have tested the cars on wet as well. Some cars are not as fast on dry roads, but handles very well on wet surfaces. That would be more realistic because people who would buy these cars would eventually drive them on wet roads when it rains.

Third, different drivers have different driving characteristics. Using the same driver to test two differently-tuned cars is not ideal.
They should have used two drivers -- one that is an expert in driving the Roush, and the other an expert in driving the Saleen. That way they'd be able to run the cars at their fullest potential and see who really wins.

[guitarded]

To see a few more runs may be ideal, but who's to say they didn't, and just went with the best times! I don't see how wet testing would prove anything......or two different drivers. What if one driver was better than the other?....then people would cry that was unfair. You're obviously a pissed off Saleen fan.....

Drag testing using one driver is probably the best way to do it!
They are both supercharged mustangs, and the tuning won't be that much different when it comes to Forced induction. Maybe a couple degrees difference in timing, and a couple psi difference in boost level from car to car...

To me it sounds that the Saleen mustang has traction issues which need to be addressed.....it don't matter who drives it.....This was just testing the cars as they come from the factory.

Put a set of slicks on both cars, and the Saleen may be quicker........

[saleenx]

That video is BS. First the saleen has more hp, second the saleen weighs 300lb less. Third and most obvious the roush hit 100mp in 10.35 that would mean the car runs in low 11's BS BS BS BS BS BS BS BS!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry but a car that weighs 3650lb with only 435hp can't run 11's. I had a 95 saleen with 550hp that weighed 3450lb and ran mid 11's. ALSO check out the video of the gt500 vs the 2003 cobra. the gt500 weighs 3850lb w/500hp and the cobra weighs 3565lb w/390hp they ran in the 1/4mi at 12.8gt500 and 12.7cobra.http://www.mustangblog.com/index.php...003-svt-cobra/

[Devastator]

In my opinion all these vs videos are 50% bullshit. They never count the driver factor. You don't get into two different vehicles and drive them the same exact way. I just see these as estimates, thats all.

[guitarded]

They're only giving you horsepower figures at 4000 rpm.....Who's to say the Roush isn't making 500 hp at 5000 rpm, and 550 hp at 6000 rpm?...........


Besides....Peak hp values doesn't mean the car should be faster! This is a common mistake everyone makes. A dynograph that looks like a triangle results in short term power increase at a certain rpm range, and then falls on its face everywhere else. A torque curve that's linear is much better for drag racing. So...A car with 50 hp less and a much more linear torque curve could easily beat a car with a triangular torque curve.....simply because it's making more power all over the rpm range!

They should have videoed 1/4mile times in this test as well.....

Just because a car can reach 100 mph in 10.3 seconds.........doesn't mean it will run mid 11's in the 1/4.........gearing and distance covered affect elapsed time..........how long will it take the car to reach 110 mph? 120 ?


Anyhow......When the gt500 debuted, I saw the ford representatives track test it with stock tires........Wheel-hop gallore lol. The best they got out of it was a 12.2 in the quarter mile............and they do not make 500 hp.........it's more like 460-480

[guitarded]

In my opinion all these vs videos are 50% bullshit. They never count the driver factor. You don't get into two different vehicles and drive them the same exact way. I just see these as estimates, thats all.

I'm willing to bet that the driver in the test is a pro.............much better than the average driver........

[Devastator]

Yea but he's still a driver.

[guitarded]

yup he's a driver.....and your point is ?????

[guitarded]

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For the benefit of the viewers in this forum, I've drawn up a realistic dynograph to simulate what I explained in my earlier post of how a car with less hp can beat a car with more hp in a race. This graph does not represent the mustangs in the video....just a visual aid to get my point across

In the graph, there are two lines representing two distinct vehicles. Lets say the red line represents Car "A", and the blue line represents Car "B". You'll see Car "A" makes more "peak" hp, but over all has less power everywhere else in the powerband. Car "B" makes consistent power through out the powerband. Much higher in most of the rev range even though it "peaks" less than Car "A"

[barricade505]

True Dat!!I own a 1997 Mustang Gt and I feel my sixer is faster and the throttle response is fast.I stomp on the gas on the gt and its not the same.I have a bud who owns a 1996 saleen mustang gt and he test drove the sixer.He says that he has a whole new respect for the sixers with the five speed.I was told that the 2007 sixer has more if not the same horsepower as the 1997 gt.maybe im wrong.

[Z28 Autobot]

True Dat!!I own a 1997 Mustang Gt and I feel my sixer is faster and the throttle response is fast.I stomp on the gas on the gt and its not the same.I have a bud who owns a 1996 saleen mustang gt and he test drove the sixer.He says that he has a whole new respect for the sixers with the five speed.I was told that the 2007 sixer has more if not the same horsepower as the 1997 gt.maybe im wrong.

Off the top of my head without looking I think the GT's back then had like 215-220HP?? If that. Your V6 has 210 ponies under the hood.

So you do the math..and just to add to it a little. If true the 210 you are packing with a lighter engine. Even with less HP you should be the same or better than the older GT!
Just wait till the 280+HP V6 Camaro comes out

[barricade505]

Yes!! You told me about that.They do seem the same but the throttle response is different.I like the V6 Camaro having that high horsepower.It makes wanting a Camaro easier on the consumer.If need be,I wouldnt mind gettin' one too.I took Barricade to a local charity car show to help the community and the kids went nuts.Cant wait to see both together at the show.Just because they are unavailable now makes them so wanted.Imagine the Corvette?Holy Shit!!Corvettes everywhere!!Back on Roush vs Saleen test.I agree with many here on having multiple drivers test both the cars.His test is proven yes.but only for him.We need Ricky Bobby to test them with a mountain lion to get an exact result.:lol

[guitarded]

The only issue with buying v6 cars is lack of high performance products in the aftermarket. Anyone getting a taste of horsepower usually wants more
The industry is slowly changing, but not much. I can see small accomodations for the smaller motors with a few products like headers, and maybe even a handheld "Tuner" but I don't foresee anything more. To get more power out of these v6's usually ends up with custom "one-off" parts ....$$$$$$$

The market has always been with V8's......where the BigDogs play

[guitarded]

.We need Ricky Bobby to test them with a mountain lion to get an exact result.:lol

LOL....."Shake and Bake" dude