Sag

[Beej]

Interesting post from a Hollywood insider, and major filmmaker.
It is a known fact that the film industry leans politically to the far left. They make no secret of their views.
Liberal lunatics such as Alan Rosenberg have no concept of reality. Defender of the poor artists against the evil studios, typical socialist ideology. Funny, he's a rich man himself. In England they are called champagne socialists. Hypocrites.
The Iraq war could be won tomorrow, the current political landscape doesn't allow the military to do its job properly. Liberal politics are costing America dear, and how China must be laughing! The US is trying to fight with one arm tied behind its back, much too mindful of criticism, at home and abroad. The longer it takes, the more it costs, in lives and money. Just like Vietnam. World War Two was not won this way.
If you want to talk about a disaster, what about the uncontrolled immigration into the US, and its catastrophic effects on culture, lifestyle and standard of living?
Anyway, what do SAG care about other than themselves, and their bank accounts? Selfish.

I agree that was a heck of a post which was posted for a reason and effect.

The Democratic Party itself sits to the far left and has favored the liberal position for the last 100 years. Most of the people you hear about in Hollywood are extremely well off and are close to if not part of the 1% of the population (elite). Entertainment as an industry is the epitome of the belief and idealism of social equality -- no matter where you come from, you can achieve and be successful. The Democratic Party has favored laborers and labor unions. The unions in general serve all the members, not just the 1%. It's the ones who are not headliners that this negotiation is for. They have rights and the union is there to protect those rights.

Studios and unions are run by people. Being selfish and greedy is an individual thing and can be on both sides of any issue and situation. It's called free will, and each individual has days where they are not a very good human. Most of them don't live in a bubble and they are aware of the world -- they still live and die in it same as the rest of us.

The world isn't as it was in 1939. Yes it would have been easier to have had the support like there was in WWII. I've listened to both sides and people believe they are correct and are very passionate about it...extrememly so. But yes, we are fighting at a disadvantage and it is costing as you say.

As for China, that country has its own problems and will continue to have its own growing pains for it is deeply confused and conflicted. The USA has a lot of foreign money invested here, be it China, Dubai, or India. The USA is a good investment and will continue to be. Mexico -- I wouldn't want to live there either, but its part of the world. The USA is part of the world. China is part of the world. All are components of one economy. There are good times and tumultuous times, but there will never be perfection. Last time I checked, we were all human. But we aren't very good to each other that much is for sure. But I'm not giving up on anyone.

[First Gen]

If the SAG feels they're getting cheated for their work, have them switch jobs with me for a while. Working at a small non profit office with gas prices reaching "The Jetsons" high's, Im sure after a while of living like me, they'll be happy to earn what they get.

Thats just one mans opinion.

[Bumblebee1983]

Interesting post from a Hollywood insider, and major filmmaker.
It is a known fact that the film industry leans politically to the far left. They make no secret of their views.
Liberal lunatics such as Alan Rosenberg have no concept of reality. Defender of the poor artists against the evil studios, typical socialist ideology. Funny, he's a rich man himself. In England they are called champagne socialists. Hypocrites.
The Iraq war could be won tomorrow, the current political landscape doesn't allow the military to do its job properly. Liberal politics are costing America dear, and how China must be laughing! The US is trying to fight with one arm tied behind its back, much too mindful of criticism, at home and abroad. The longer it takes, the more it costs, in lives and money. Just like Vietnam. World War Two was not won this way.
If you want to talk about a disaster, what about the uncontrolled immigration into the US, and its catastrophic effects on culture, lifestyle and standard of living?
Anyway, what do SAG care about other than themselves, and their bank accounts? Selfish.

Not to mention the economy....*cough* medicine/health care *cough*

I digress.

[mblase75@gmail.com]

These strikes only lead to lowered standards. It's because of all this crap that the entertainment world has been overcome by shitty (cheap) "reality television." Screw that.

Let's not be hasty, shall we? Striking, throughout history, has been instrumental in getting essential laborers the rights they need by business managers who treat them as interchangeable parts in a machine.

That being said, I have little sympathy for those "laborers" who work in the entertainment industry and feel they're not getting what they deserve. Few people would argue that Hollywood screen actors are "essential" for anybody other than the people who work in entertainment.

Every time one of these strikes takes place, movies and television shows I enjoy get held up for months. On the other hand, I'll be the first to admit I can live without them for a while anyway. In fact, it gives me a good excuse to catch up on my reading.

Mr. Bay, I'll accept that as a director this screws up your chosen career for months on end. But come on, let's not pretend you personally are hurting for money this time around.

[mblase75@gmail.com]

If the SAG feels they're getting cheated for their work, have them switch jobs with me for a while. Working at a small non profit office with gas prices reaching "The Jetsons" high's, Im sure after a while of living like me, they'll be happy to earn what they get.

Look up when the SAG was founded, and why. Back in the days when actors' lives were almost literally owned, publicly and privately, by specific studios, it was a mighty good thing for them.

[mblase75@gmail.com]

No more strikes, we have movies and TV shows needing to be made and the masses wanting to see them!

Please define "needing." I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[Bumblebee1983]

Please define "needing." I do not think that word means what you think it means.

I just heard Inigo Montoya when you said that....

[megatron42]

bohica = bend over here it comes again
gas prices are going up.. oil is $126 by years end will be $200
our presidential canadates think their gonna wave a magic wand and fix things
bullshit, i agree with what michael said.. ok boys and girls trivia for ya
when those stimulas checks come where are they going back to china
why things are made there. mike huckabee is right whose economy were we supporting ours or china's.. it's going to suck for me when i start volunteering
for the park dist. i'm about to go decepticon

[Clutch]

It's a damn shame that the DGA has so far been the only ones to actually take steps to avoid a strike. The WGA strike never should have gone on as long as it did, and now the Actors are gearing up to do the same thing? Come on now. The Academy isn't much better either.

Frankly, someone needs to be locking the heads of both sides up in a room and forcing them to hammer out a deal. This walking away and strike bull solves nothing.

[Beej]

when those stimulas checks come where are they going back to china
why things are made there.

I'd recommend saving money or paying off debt before spending, but that's just me, I'm a miser.

Corporate makes the decision to move jobs out of country, or purchase parts from out of country as it is cost effective, and that's a decision made every day by American executives. MB says China owns America, well it certainly owns a lot of the mortgages, which currently aren't worth the paper written on (who got the better part of that deal...). Wal-Mart is a major importer of all things made in China, but the retailing jobs are American, so it's still a win. I'd be more concerned about buying product which does not have the same standards as they might have here, although don't talk to me about beef especially if it came from Chino, California. Who owns the majority of the golf courses in America? (It's not domestic.) And just who sold them?

I like the line from Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, when Luke finds Obi-Wan had lied telling him Vader killed his father: "...the truth, from a certain point of view." (Obi-Wan had good intentions.)

Doesn't matter much where we are located, but we are very much connected and dependant on each to do well. That's the view from my perch anyway.

[Smokescreen_5]

If the SAG feels they're getting cheated for their work, have them switch jobs with me for a while.

Hear Hear!!! I agree with you 150% there!

Not to mention the economy....*cough* medicine/health care *cough*

Hence why when you turn 55 you should move to Canada.. lol.. I used to work for Medicare.. and let me tell ya.. the crap they pull is a ripoff... Drugs are $50 to $300 (whereas you can get em in Canada for $5) .. and half the people that called in were hard of hearing.. and guess what.. Medicare doesn't even COVER HEARING AIDS!!!!!! gahh.. what a stupid nation we live in.

[BeetleJuice]

Doesn't matter much where we are located, but we are very much connected and dependant on each to do well. That's the view from my perch anyway.

Absolutely agree Beej. It should be that way, unfortunately the human race doesn't inspire such confidence.
China needs oil to maintain its unprecedented growth. Its a totalitarian regime with no history of democracy or freedom of thought. Chinese rulers, communists and dynasties alike, have governed their people with an iron fist. It's ingrained in their culture.
I would like to think trading and close ties prevents conflict, but unfortunately the past suggests otherwise.
At the start of the 20th century the European Nations were tied together with trade, immigration, technological breakthroughs, it didn't prevent two world wars.
Basically there aren't enough resources to cover the world's needs. Russia, China and India are all growing. They don't share our ideals, and they are not held back by liberal delusions about saving the planet from global warming.
This is not the time for America to take the wrong turn, and to start doubting itself.
Modern Europe was shaped by America, Japan was shaped by America, the freedom and democracy enjoyed by several billion people on this planet was thanks to America.
As the Borg would say, SAG are irrelevant

[Swift]

Hence why when you turn 55 you should move to Canada.. lol.. I used to work for Medicare.. and let me tell ya.. the crap they pull is a ripoff... Drugs are $50 to $300 (whereas you can get em in Canada for $5) .. and half the people that called in were hard of hearing.. and guess what.. Medicare doesn't even COVER HEARING AIDS!!!!!! gahh.. what a stupid nation we live in.

Agreed. We have alot of cheap medication here but nobody really notices it. Ohhhh so thats why we have so many imigrants here...

[Beej]

Absolutely agree Beej. It should be that way, unfortunately the human race doesn't inspire such confidence.
China needs oil to maintain its unprecedented growth. Its a totalitarian regime with no history of democracy or freedom of thought. Chinese rulers, communists and dynasties alike, have governed their people with an iron fist. It's ingrained in their culture.
I would like to think trading and close ties prevents conflict, but unfortunately the past suggests otherwise.
At the start of the 20th century the European Nations were tied together with trade, immigration, technological breakthroughs, it didn't prevent two world wars.
Basically there aren't enough resources to cover the world's needs. Russia, China and India are all growing. They don't share our ideals, and they are not held back by liberal delusions about saving the planet from global warming.
This is not the time for America to take the wrong turn, and to start doubting itself.
Modern Europe was shaped by America, Japan was shaped by America, the freedom and democracy enjoyed by several billion people on this planet was thanks to America.
As the Borg would say, SAG are irrelevant

There is this one tale...

A Native American grandfather was talking to his grandson about how he felt.

He said, "I feel as if I have two wolves fighting in my heart. One wolf is the vengeful, angry, violent one. The other wolf is the loving, compassionate one."

The grandson asked him, "Which wolf will win the fight in your heart?"

The grandfather answered, "The one I feed."

[BeetleJuice]

There is this one tale...

A Native American grandfather was talking to his grandson about how he felt.

He said, "I feel as if I have two wolves fighting in my heart. One wolf is the vengeful, angry, violent one. The other wolf is the loving, compassionate one."

The grandson asked him, "Which wolf will win the fight in your heart?"

The grandfather answered, "The one I feed."

Nice. Very cute Beej.
Answer?
Feed the wolf that seeks game, rather than the one that waits for it.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war"
Plato. Greek author & philosopher in Athens (427 BC - 347 BC)

[Beej]

Nice. Very cute Beej.
Answer?
Feed the wolf that seeks game, rather than the one that waits for it.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war"
Plato. Greek author & philosopher in Athens (427 BC - 347 BC)

Analogy or metaphor...um, I was posting of energies and you make a sharp turn and go south to survival.

I get what you are meaning, however, understand what I mean when I say one should not mistake compassion for a weak mind, spirit and will. I agree with you on many points, but I also must temper my feelings with logic, and evidence.

[Bumblebee1983]

Man oh man did this thread ever take off.

Oh, and Smokescreen, no offense to Canadians, but I love it right here in the good ol' US of A. Canada healthcare isn't much better.

Government run health care does not work. Look at New York and California. There's a TON of Medicare/Medicaid fraud that is bringing those state budgets down. Doctors won't get paid, and if you don't get paid, you don't work, right? Or don't have an incentive to work.

Oh, and not to mention a six month wait for a x-ray of MRI. You could be dead by then. Here in America, you get it instantly.

Trust me, I hear this ALL THE TIME from my boyfriend's father who is a doctor.

[megatron42]

that sucks

[Trailbreaker]

Good thing my mom is a teacher and my dad is a D.O.T. worker. We are completely covered.

[Bumblebee1983]

Good thing my mom is a teacher and my dad is a D.O.T. worker. We are completely covered.

Meh, I wouldn't say that.

But then again I guess it'd depend on what state you're in.

[Trailbreaker]

Meh, I wouldn't say that.

But then again I guess it'd depend on what state you're in.

Well there was one little tiny thing that I forgot what they called but other than that, life is great.

We live in New York.

[Bumblebee1983]

Well there was one little tiny thing that I forgot what they called but other than that, life is great.

We live in New York.

Oh.

Uhh...yipes. Your state is in the hole a LOT. Mainly due to Medicare and Medicaid fraud. I know it's up there with California with their budgets in the hole a lot.

So I wouldn't say you're comfortable. My dad works for the state of TN, has nearly 30 years, and they're buying out 2,000 state employees to meet the budget.

[Z28 Autobot]

all I can say is these unions need to get thier heads out of thier ass' and get to work. Like Bay said and I have been saying the same this country is going down faster than anyone likes to think. Hell I know Bays giving the speach but does he really know the problems that the blue collar worker has to face? The same people that buy the tickets to his movies so he can have his way of life. He wont have a problem living if he does not do another movie. Us? we need to work..and if unions like this "FAG" do this we all suffer..I'm not giving him shit its just that I see he gets it and hes not in the thick of it as much as us here on the board.

But just wanted to say thanks Bay for just speaking the truth..sounds like many have lost that idea..and hide behind old lies..

[redqueenar]

The war in Iraq costs the US federal government $12 billion dollars a month, according to Time magazine. I remember, years ago, when it all started that Bush admitting that he knew that many people in America were against the idea of going to war but that he thought it was the right thing to do and therefore he was going to do it. The President of my nation--a nation I care for deeply, btw-- essentially told us flat out that he really didn't give a shit what we thought and was going to do it his own way. I fully realize that self-interest and ambition takes a person very far in life and there were aspects of his original position that were quite valid. But it has gone too far. (The man had an personal exit strategy for Vietnam, but not this one. )

No one becomes President by accident. I can respect those achievements for what they are, but I have no respect for an individual with enormous power and responsibility over the lives of so many people, who ignores the awful facts for the sake of his own ego. When you fuck the people, the people will turn on you, they'll come after you, and you will deserve it because "staying the course" has thrown you off your true purpose.

Beej:

Scorpion wants to get across the river, so he asks the Turtle for a ride. Turtle says, "I can't trust you. You'll sting me." Scorpion says, "No, no. I just need to get across." So Turtle lets him hop on, and off they go.
Midway across the river, Scorpion stings the Turtle. Turtle says, "why did you do that?! Now we're both going to drown!" Scorpion says, "I can't help it. I'm a Scorpion."

[redqueenar]

Man oh man did this thread ever take off.

Oh, and Smokescreen, no offense to Canadians, but I love it right here in the good ol' US of A. Canada healthcare isn't much better.

Government run health care does not work. Look at New York and California. There's a TON of Medicare/Medicaid fraud that is bringing those state budgets down. Doctors won't get paid, and if you don't get paid, you don't work, right? Or don't have an incentive to work.

Oh, and not to mention a six month wait for a x-ray of MRI. You could be dead by then. Here in America, you get it instantly.

Trust me, I hear this ALL THE TIME from my boyfriend's father who is a doctor.

I'm all for socialist behavior, but socialist government doesn't work because it doesn't account for human nature. Johnny Depp thought France was totally awesome and better than America--until his little girl got blood poisoning. Princess Diana died in the street because calling the ambulance is actually not the first thing they do in that country. That would too hasty.

Free things tend to be worth what you pay for. Come ride the MUNI buses with me sometime and I'll show you.