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    Regarding the latest news telling that Mr.Spielberg and Dreamworks could leave Paramount group and it's still unknown if they will join any other group then... here is a link to this:

    http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/sep/21spiel.htm
    "Spielberg, Paramount Pictures may part ways"


    What should we expect now ? Will Mr.Bay follow Mr.Spielberg and Dreamworks?
    What about Transformers ? Are the rights owned by Paramount or Dreamworks? I really hope that Mr.Spielberg and Dreamworks will mantain full rights over Transformers franchise to ensure that Transformers 2 and 3 will still be directed by Mr.Bay and produced by Mr.Spielberg and obviously because without Dreamworks I seriously doubt that Paramount could mantain the same level of quality, expertise and resources to deliver top notch CGI.
    I hope Hasbro would renegotiate agreements over franchise rights if Paramount managers could be in a position to say anything about it to take the Transformers franchise from Spielberg, Bay and Dreamworks.


    I bet everyone who enjoyed the first Transformers movie would get so much disappointed if Paramount managers could succeed in mantaining control over the franchise all alone that Transformers 2 and 3 without Bay and Spielberg and without the amazing Dreamworks CGI would be such a huge flop that Hasbro managers and business would be ruined forever after the first excellent movie.

    Yes, I know ILM is not directly owned by Dreamworks but would they still make CGI just for Paramount if Dreamworks and Spielberg leave the group ? Although business is business.. there are strategic issues that would make it pretty unsafe for ILM to continue supporting Paramount like always if Mr.Spielberg and Dreamworks are no longer part of the group, no?
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    The only reason Spielberg got involved in the first place is because of the $$$$$. I'm sure he will some how stick around for more TF.

    I really think Pixar could pull it off in the cgi part. From the tid-bits I've seen of Wal-E they could probably make it better and flawless. We have to admit some transforming/transformed scenes didn't quite match the surroundings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastator View Post
    The only reason Spielberg got involved in the first place is because of the $$$$$.
    Everyone gets involved for the money. What is your point, then ?

    I'm sure he will some how stick around for more TF.
    Don't be so sure, even because anyway he has signed for Transformers 2 and 3.. The question is what is going to happen with production rights and only Hasbro managers could ensure continuity and avoid Paramount CEO to destroy the franchise I'd say..


    I really think Pixar could pull it off in the cgi part. From the tid-bits I've seen of Wal-E they could probably make it better and flawless. We have to admit some transforming/transformed scenes didn't quite match the surroundings.
    Are you kidding, perhaps ? Transformers CGI not being perfect it's a pretty silly statement. I wonder if you only watched the pirated divx screencam copies floating around the 'net. In that case it's quite obvious that you didn't like it.
    Maybe and I'd say maybe only the studio that Lord of The Rings could be able to match ILM top notch results on Transformers, but so far they have been left behind and playing catch up.
    Pixar won't be able to match Transformers CGI in the next couple years and even if they did.. Transformers 2 is obviously supposed to have an even better rendering.

    I wonder if your answers are just naive ones or you have some specific interest/involvement in the business...

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    Varitey says the following:

    http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...goryid=13&cs=1

    And the NYTIMES:

    Viacom Chief’s Remark on Spielberg Stirs a Furor

    Viacom Chief’s Remark on Spielberg Stirs a Furor
    By MICHAEL CIEPLY

    LOS ANGELES, Sept. 20 — Philippe P. Dauman, the chief executive of Viacom, told an investment conference on Tuesday that his company and its Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks units would do just fine, even if DreamWorks lost the services of Steven Spielberg.

    On Wednesday, Mr. Spielberg’s longtime ally and partner Jeffrey Katzenberg fired back during another session of the same conference in New York, defending the film director as a “national treasure.”

    And by Thursday, the relationship of the corporate parent and DreamWorks — founded by Mr. Katzenberg and Mr. Spielberg along with David Geffen, then sold to Viacom in 2005 for $1.6 billion — was once again on the rocks, despite stellar success at the movie box office with pictures like “Norbit” and “Transformers” and a confounding lack of substantive disputes among the principals.

    The exchange, featured in back-to-back articles on the front page of the trade paper Daily Variety, intensified already rampant speculation that Mr. Spielberg and Mr. Geffen would leave Paramount when their contracts expire at the end of next year.

    Mr. Katzenberg, as chief executive of the separate DreamWorks Animation, does not have a personal contract with Viacom. But his company, best known for its “Shrek” franchise, has agreed to distribute its films through Paramount until early 2013, with an option to leave in 2011 if DreamWorks Animation undergoes a change of control.

    Speaking by telephone on Thursday, Brad Grey, Paramount’s chairman, was eager to calm the waters stirred up by one of his bosses. “I have the greatest respect for the creativity of Steven Spielberg and the entire DreamWorks team, as well as the immense entrepreneurial business skills of David Geffen,” he said.

    Mr. Grey added, “On behalf of Viacom and Paramount, I hope we’re all in business for a very long time.”

    Other executives from the Viacom and DreamWorks camps declined to discuss the situation.

    But a transcript of Mr. Dauman’s remarks supported the notion that Mr. Katzenberg — who reprimanded the chief executive for suggesting that Mr. Spielberg was “completely immaterial” to Viacom’s success — overshot, at least slightly.

    Speaking before investors at the Goldman Sachs-sponsored conference at the Grand Hyatt New York, Mr. Dauman sang the praises of his company’s DreamWorks acquisition. He noted that it brought Paramount a much-needed roster of movies, an international distribution operation (allowing the studio to leave a longstanding joint venture it had used abroad) and a film library that immediately proved its value when the company found a George Soros-led group to invest roughly $1 billion in it.

    Of Mr. Spielberg, Mr. Dauman said: “Now, we have Steven Spielberg in the house as part of the deal. He’s currently working on ‘Indiana Jones,’ a Paramount movie, which is releasing next year. We’re doing everything possible to make him happy.”

    He added that Mr. Spielberg and “his team” had “the right to leave if they choose at the end of next year.”

    Should that happen, he concluded, “The financial impact to Paramount first and especially to Viacom over all would be completely immaterial in the event somebody shows up to help them start a studio from scratch.”

    That Mr. Dauman was using a Wall Street term of art — “immaterial,” that is, not an event that would have a measurable impact on reported earnings — was perhaps lost in translation when the phrase hit Hollywood ears.

    Lost on no one, however, was the continued testiness in a corporate relationship that has, oddly enough, been poisoned by its own success.

    From the point of view of Mr. Geffen it can only be galling to see DreamWorks, long derided as a hit-and-miss operation, achieve its greatest successes only months after a longtime corporate partner, the General Electric-controlled Universal Studios, failed to make an adequate bid for its acquisition.

    Perhaps equally irritating, Mr. Geffen, who supported the hiring of the talent manager Brad Grey as Paramount’s chairman, must now watch Mr. Grey, justifiably, share credit for hit films that are building on decisions made years ago, and often in leaner days, at DreamWorks.

    (Even while scolding Mr. Dauman on Wednesday, Mr. Katzenberg acknowledged that Paramount deserved “straight A’s” for its role in marketing and distributing the DreamWorks films.)

    Melding the two companies has not been made easier by the peculiar geography of DreamWorks and its principals. Mr. Katzenberg works from an animation facility in Glendale, Calif. Mr. Geffen keeps an office on Paramount’s Hollywood lot, and Mr. Spielberg is still quartered in his famous adobe at Universal. If they are going to stay, Mr. Geffen and Mr. Spielberg will have to begin negotiations to renew their contracts in the coming months.

    If not quite “material” in the formal Wall Street sense, the discussions nonetheless matter, especially because other members of the DreamWorks contingent, including Stacey Snider, the unit’s chief executive, could follow the co-founders out the door.

    That would not do much to Paramount’s bottom line next year, given the studio’s growing supply of movies like “Iron Man,” in partnership with Marvel Enterprises; a new “Star Trek” from the director J. J. Abrams; and a number of DreamWorks films, including Ben Stiller’s “Tropic Thunder” that would remain, even if the senior players did not.

    The studio would also probably maintain business ties with Mr. Spielberg for years to come without an executive contract, because it has acquired years’ worth of projects in which he has a creative interest.

    In the way of Hollywood, of course, the current quarrel may simply be stage prep for some especially robust contract talks. Or matters of ego, and respect, may turn out not to be “immaterial,” after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastator View Post
    I really think Pixar could pull it off in the cgi part. From the tid-bits I've seen of Wal-E they could probably make it better and flawless. We have to admit some transforming/transformed scenes didn't quite match the surroundings.
    The effects house is irrelevant.

    Pixar has never worked in a real world environment much less experience with live action.

    It the director in this case that matters...a director with vision and a photo-realistic eye.

    Bay owns digital Domain so I imagine he intends to make use of his investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    The effects house is irrelevant.

    Pixar has never worked in a real world environment much less experience with live action.

    It the director in this case that matters...a director with vision and a photo-realistic eye.

    Bay owns digital Domain so I imagine he intends to make use of his investment.
    Well, Digital Domain made some excellent CGI effects for sci-fi movies like I,Robot for example, anyway it would take many months if not even years I think to change the effects studio and expect the new programmers and digital artists to achieve the same or better results than the original crew. Changing key staff elements means delays everytime, especially on a huge project like Transformers.
    So I doubt it's that irrelevant. Surely Mr.Bay could make use of his investment but it would be a double risk to abandon ILM and/or if ILM obliges him and Spielberg to use another studio like Digital Domain at this point. The 2009 deadline couldn't be met and even if they would manage to do that I seriously doubt that the CGI would be on par, and even if on par it surely couldn't be any better as everyone is expecting for the next two movies. That's the whole point. I seriously think that's too late to change the main staff working on the project, too risky and if the next two movies are not even better than the first one they would easily flop, that's surely something Mr.Spielberg and Mr.Bay wouldn't like to see it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastator View Post
    The only reason Spielberg got involved in the first place is because of the $$$$$. I'm sure he will some how stick around for more TF.

    I really think Pixar could pull it off in the cgi part. From the tid-bits I've seen of Wal-E they could probably make it better and flawless. We have to admit some transforming/transformed scenes didn't quite match the surroundings.
    uhhhh O_o

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    How did this turn into ILM and the transformers sequels? ILM, WETA Digital, Digital Domain, Sony Imageworks, etc, all of these are houses and they can get work from ANY studio, and ANY director, it really is completely unrelated.

    Also shots gets split up between different houses if one doesnt have enough man power or time to complete it, if I'm not mistaken some shots in Transformers were done by Digital Domain, instead of ILM handling 100% of the effects, I could be wrong, but I think I read that somewhere long time ago. Some shots if LOTR were outsourced to Imageworks, etc. Think of them as contractors, they cannot "force" anybody into doing something.

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    I'm not sure of the company itself but I know it was not ILM that did the Dew bot.
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