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    Question Just how much was Michael Bay involved?

    Just what level of involvement does the title "producer" entail, anyway? Because I'm getting sick and tired of people blaming Michael Bay for every little decision that was made in the production of this movie. Everywhere I go I see "Michael Bay's Ninja Turtles, Michael Bay ruined my childhood, Michael Bay ruined the Ninja Turtles, Michael Bay this, Michael Bay that, Michael Bay Michael Bay Michael Bay Michael Bay..." Yeah.

    Please, the guy has been busy working on Transformers 4, a movie he actually directed. I don't imagine he was that involved.

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    I imagine that what's happening now is similar to what happened in the 90's and 2000's with Jerry Bruckheimer. Bruckheimer was the big name; Michael Bay, Dominic Sena, Simon West, etc. were not. So every movie that had Bruckheimer's name attached as producer was automatically grouped together, for better or worse. To be fair, many of the movies did often have a similar look and feel, but that was (obviously) because he chose directors that had similar styles (not identical, but similar). Every one of the movies he produced had the "Bruckheimer look".

    So now, Michael Bay is the big name, and Jonathan Liesbesman is the lesser known one. Michael Bay's name has a screen card in the teaser; Liesbesman's is not.

    It's definitely a mis-attribution, and further more, it's done by pricks on purpose to stir up shit.

    I think everything about the movie looks badass, and while I'm not a Ninja Turtles fanatic, I am a fan, so it's not like I have no interest in seeing a great interpretation of the "mythology".

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    Just how much was Michael Bay involved?

    Well, there's a "Ninja Turtles" section on S4TE, the trailer stated with big words "From producer Michael Bay", Bay himself posted a lot of comments about this movie (he barely talked about "I Am Number Four", which was a Bay Films production)...so maybe he is pretty involved. I think "Ninja Turtles" is the first Bay-produced movie to have its own S4TE section. Why, I don't know? You have to ask Nelson.

    But one thing's for sure - when lurkers come to the forums they see "Ninja Turtles" directly below "Transformers 4", they see the Bay comments and they automatically assume that he's the "main man" behind it all. And the trashing begins.

    And even if he is not that involved his name would still be all over the place. That's just how the internet fanboy/movie culture works - they pick certain people to hate/love and they stick to that. You can't change it. Even if Bay ends up winning an Oscar he would still be "one of the worst filmmakers in history" for these people. They just hate him and that's the main reason why you see his name all over the place when someone says something negative about "Ninja Turtles".
    It doesn't even matter how involved he is.

    When some of the Superman fanboys were trashing "Man of Steel" last year the punching bag was the director - Zack Snyder. The producer of that movie is Christopher Nolan, but no one said a bad word about him, even though he was pretty involved. Why? Because he's a fanboy favorite and for these folks the guy is God.

    When it comes to Bay though, it's the opposite. He's the man they like to hate and no matter how involved he is with a certain project he would still be the main punhcing bag. They'll never, ever, give the guy credit for doing a good job.

    That's just how it works with them. But the good thing is fanboys and web journalists do not represent the entire moviegoing public so at the end of the day it's not a big deal at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayhem View Post
    Well, there's a "Ninja Turtles" section on S4TE, the trailer stated with big words "From producer Michael Bay", Bay himself posted a lot of comments about this movie (he barely talked about "I Am Number Four", which was a Bay Films production)...so maybe he is pretty involved. I think "Ninja Turtles" is the first Bay-produced movie to have its own S4TE section. Why, I don't know? You have to ask Nelson.

    But one thing's for sure - when lurkers come to the forums they see "Ninja Turtles" directly below "Transformers 4", they see the Bay comments and they automatically assume that he's the "main man" behind it all. And the trashing begins.

    And even if he is not that involved his name would still be all over the place. That's just how the internet fanboy/movie culture works - they pick certain people to hate/love and they stick to that. You can't change it. Even if Bay ends up winning an Oscar he would still be "one of the worst filmmakers in history" for these people. They just hate him and that's the main reason why you see his name all over the place when someone says something negative about "Ninja Turtles".
    It doesn't even matter how involved he is.

    When some of the Superman fanboys were trashing "Man of Steel" last year the punching bag was the director - Zack Snyder. The producer of that movie is Christopher Nolan, but no one said a bad word about him, even though he was pretty involved. Why? Because he's a fanboy favorite and for these folks the guy is God.

    When it comes to Bay though, it's the opposite. He's the man they like to hate and no matter how involved he is with a certain project he would still be the main punhcing bag. They'll never, ever, give the guy credit for doing a good job.

    That's just how it works with them. But the good thing is fanboys and web journalists do not represent the entire moviegoing public so at the end of the day it's not a big deal at all.
    Haters will hate,
    and even if M. Bay somehow by divine intervention finds the cure for cancer, they will find a way to spin it as a bad thing, i don't know, maybe hate him for not finding the cure sooner!!!

    If someone ever say to you that M. Bay ruined the Ninja turtles for them... i'm sure they don't remember TMNT III LOL, just remind them of that

    Since the day i saw "HUGO" win the oscar for best Visual Effects that i lost all hope to see a transformers movie win that oscar!

    Avatar deserved it, specially if you see it in 3D, the 2D version not so much
    that golden compass movie was very far from being as photo-realistic as TF, and they didn't deserve it also.
    and Hugo... well, no words for how unfair that was!! a drunk monkey with half a brain and only one eye would make a better job then the guys who voted for that award.

    and let's not forget, I Don't Want to miss a thing (Aerosmith's song for Armageddon) totally deserved the Oscar, man, it even won the award from the specialists at music (A Grammy).

    The academy must really hate Bay


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    Hey, I'm hardly a Michael Bay hater, just check out my posts from when I first joined the forum. But, I am a HUGE TMNT fan, but I am a fan who has my preferences. Some things in the TMNT world I love (OT, 2K3, the first two movies and the forth one) stuff that I like (Nick toon, Mirage and Archie comics, TMNT 3, but damn, the costumes were ugly) and stuff I hate ( Next Mutation)

    So sue me, but I like my TMNT to be cute and cuddly. I think that is what is so endearing, they are these short, cute and fun loving guys, that can kick the shit out of you if you fuck with them or their family. I have no problem with the story with this movie, really, it's welcome because I can watch the Meet Casey Jones arc and listen to how the Turtles came to be for only so many times. I don't mind Megan Fox as April, it's not like she is a complex character, and the previous Aprils were hardly oscar material. I don't care if Shredder is Japanese, White, Black, Man, Woman. In the Turtles lore, he was a few different people. Even Raphael was Shredder at one time in the comics. I don't mind the Turtles being big. I like Raph's full bandana, I'm OK with Leo's chest attire, Mikey's necklace is OK, the tatoos are fine. Donnie carrying a backpack full of his inventions is fine. Vernon is OK ( but rather have Casey Jones, nobody really gives a shit about Vernon). But where I draw the line is I just can't stand the look of the TMNT faces. They look hideous. And I am not blaming Bay, more than likely, he had nothing to do with it. He's just the guy that makes the financial decisions. But I just hope, if this movie spawns a sequel, maybe Bay will get more hands on, and he will make the Turtles a little bit more aesthetically appealing. And oh, get Casey Jones in there damn it. You got the eye candy in there for the guys, don't forget, the ladies bring in BO revenue as well, and it would be nice to see a handsome guy playing Casey Jones.


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    i just saw the trailer, i'm really impressed with it. it looks better than the old trilogy from the 90s and the warner brothers animation version that had patrick stewart's voice. i'm not so concerned with little changes that they might do with it as along as the execution is right. with william fichtner playing shredder, i'm really excited about this. the vfx on the turtles look really cool, that itself will be enough for me to see the movie. i just hope the screenplay is good as well. a lot of effects movies are ruined with bad screenplays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayhem View Post
    When it comes to Bay though, it's the opposite. He's the man they like to hate and no matter how involved he is with a certain project he would still be the main punhcing bag. They'll never, ever, give the guy credit for doing a good job.
    there has to be at least one person to take the heat from angry nerds i guess.

    also i am not quite sure what a producer really does anyway :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by warhorse View Post
    Hey, I'm hardly a Michael Bay hater, just check out my posts from when I first joined the forum. But, I am a HUGE TMNT fan, but I am a fan who has my preferences. Some things in the TMNT world I love (OT, 2K3, the first two movies and the forth one) stuff that I like (Nick toon, Mirage and Archie comics, TMNT 3, but damn, the costumes were ugly) and stuff I hate ( Next Mutation)

    So sue me, but I like my TMNT to be cute and cuddly. I think that is what is so endearing, they are these short, cute and fun loving guys, that can kick the shit out of you if you fuck with them or their family. I have no problem with the story with this movie, really, it's welcome because I can watch the Meet Casey Jones arc and listen to how the Turtles came to be for only so many times. I don't mind Megan Fox as April, it's not like she is a complex character, and the previous Aprils were hardly oscar material. I don't care if Shredder is Japanese, White, Black, Man, Woman. In the Turtles lore, he was a few different people. Even Raphael was Shredder at one time in the comics. I don't mind the Turtles being big. I like Raph's full bandana, I'm OK with Leo's chest attire, Mikey's necklace is OK, the tatoos are fine. Donnie carrying a backpack full of his inventions is fine. Vernon is OK ( but rather have Casey Jones, nobody really gives a shit about Vernon). But where I draw the line is I just can't stand the look of the TMNT faces. They look hideous. And I am not blaming Bay, more than likely, he had nothing to do with it. He's just the guy that makes the financial decisions. But I just hope, if this movie spawns a sequel, maybe Bay will get more hands on, and he will make the Turtles a little bit more aesthetically appealing. And oh, get Casey Jones in there damn it. You got the eye candy in there for the guys, don't forget, the ladies bring in BO revenue as well, and it would be nice to see a handsome guy playing Casey Jones.

    What do you think of the turtles from the original comics?

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    So, there was this quote from a guy who did the music to Con Air, that it was Bruckheimer who called the shots during the shooting of the movie and Simon West didn't have anything to say about during the shoot.
    http://www.musicradar.com/news/guita...dings-617458/6

    So now when Turtles has been released on Blu-ray, does anyone know just how much Bay was involved in the making of the movie? Just thought if there was anything in the extras that says that.
    The reason why I ask this is cause now they have started to release news of the sequel, and it's looks like on every site I go to and read the comments, it's the same "Bay ruined my childhood" "Bay sucks and shouldn't be allowed to direct any more movies" bla bla bla thing.
    It seems like some people think that he shot, edited, produced, wrote the script, scored the music and did the special effects on the Turtles.
    No one ever blames Leibesman who directed the movie, that the movie sucked because of him. It's all Bay's fault even if he was just one of the 11 producers to the movie when you count the executive producers as well.
    Bay shot TF4 at the same time when they were shooting the Turtles. I have a hard time seeing him flying from China to New York on daily or weekly basis to oversee the shooting and telling Liebesman what to shoot and how to shoot it.
    It would be interesting to know just how much did Bay call the shots during the shooting of the Turtles, if he called any what so ever, or was he just one of the guys who financed the movie with his money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by frolunda71 View Post
    The reason why I ask this is cause now they have started to release news of the sequel, and it's looks like on every site I go to and read the comments, it's the same "Bay ruined my childhood" "Bay sucks and shouldn't be allowed to direct any more movies" bla bla bla thing.
    That's because those people are idiots. Doesn't matter how much Bay was involved to them, if Bay's name is there it's his fault. Though I'd really like to know who decided on those design's for the Turtles and Splinter because I think that was a really bad choice to have them as Hulking creatures who are clearly too big for a manhole yet can get through one all the same. Not to mention fit in such a small van. Raphael alone was big enough to take up most of the space.
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