Originally Posted by MitP
You're not missing out on much. Apparently, it's just more "human stuff".
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=151567
Are you sure that's IMAX stuff or scenes that just ended up in the cutting room floor?
You're not missing out on much. Apparently, it's just more "human stuff".
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=151567
Are you sure that's IMAX stuff or scenes that just ended up in the cutting room floor?
Either way, this added footage only benefits people who can actually make it out to an IMAX. Also, this footage will only offer a limited experience since it will not be shown anywhere else.
Even if I was at all interested in seeing this movie at an IMAX, I would find it hard to support something so elitist.
"...my heart is turned to stone; I strike it, and it hurts my hand..."
Correction: Those pics AREN'T from the IMAX version. My bad.
Still, it remains to be seen whether we see more giant f***ing robots or more puny humans.
With all do respect to Michael and the production team, I really don't think anyone cares about seeing additional "human" scenes in this film. To tout about additional footage you really need to be talking about showing more bots and action or just don't bother at all.
Shoot for the impossible...
...Then do it.
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On a side note regarding not enough CGI robots...
I was just viewing Siskel and Ebert's review of Armageddon. You can view it here (and the complete S&E archive from 86 to present). One of the complaints: not enough human characters. Bwahahahah.
Siskel mentioned the "lack of a human element", not how many human characters there were. Even though the movie was populated with a huge cast, Siskel probably felt they might as well have been mannequins.
TRANSFORMERS has a different problem. It's not that the human characters are shallow; it's because there's too many of them, reducing the title robots to supporting players in their own movie.
(BTW, Siskel's feelings towards ARMAGEDDON are so similar to my own it's eerie.)
errr i hate the french! no offense to anyone who is french here.
i like how everyone is talking about the 2 minutes of extra footage. honestlyyyyyyyyyy i could care less about those 2 minutes. IM GONNA SEE GIANT FUCKEN ROBOTS ON A GIANT FUCKEN SCREEN WITH GIANT FUCKEN SOUND!
I said this from day one: there was never going to be character archs on all dozen or so robots.
Just like the shark wasn't then main role in Jaws and the dinos in Jurassic Park. There is no way I would fucking sit through 2.5 hours of all robot talk and action.
Nobody's asking you to. But there's a big difference between a shark who can't talk and a 15-foot-tall sentient robot who's capable of articulating his thoughts and emotions.
I'm just saying that the scale was unfairly tipped in favour of the humans, and the majority of the human characters were either annoying or completely unneccessary (i.e. Maggie and her fellow computer hackers).
Michael can continue to develop key figures like Sam, Mikaela, Lennox, and Epps in the sequel, but for heaven's sake leave Maggie and her comrades for the birds. Give some room to a few Autobot/Decepticon newcomers - that's what the crowds are ultimately paying for, anyway.
Last edited by MitP; 09-19-2007 at 03:24 PM.
Aside from Kubrick and TF geeks, not many people want to sit down and watch 2 hours of robot/machine talk.
If you look at the whole movie, the hacking on behalf of the Decepticons plot was needed as was the Maggie's character. Whether they should focused on it the amoun of time they did is another thread.
Siskel and Ebert were good critics, and Siskel were right on the money. "If you get into the mood of this picture it's surprisingly entertaining and amusing" which is way better than Ebert saying how loud and fast cut the movie is, like anybody wanting to see it would care.Siskel mentioned the "lack of a human element", not how many human characters there were. Even though the movie was populated with a huge cast, Siskel probably felt they might as well have been mannequins.
TRANSFORMERS has a different problem. It's not that the human characters are shallow; it's because there's too many of them, reducing the title robots to supporting players in their own movie.
(BTW, Siskel's feelings towards ARMAGEDDON are so similar to my own it's eerie.
As for Transformers, I didn't have a problem with the amount of human characters. Like Nelson said, a 150 minute movie with just robots in the lead wouldn't work. It was all about build-up and anticipation; Optimus Prime shows up at the perfect moment making more of an impression than if he was going to show up in the very first shot of the movie. It worked as an introduction to this whole franchise, and I'm sure there will be more scenes involving the Autobots/Decepticons in the sequel.
Oh, I'm not going to argue with that. Somebody as iconic as Prime deserves his own build-up; I've already stated that the arrival of the Autobots on Earth and Optimus's first major transformation on-screen are among my favourite moments from the film. It's only the particular characters the script chose to saddle us with that I dislike. The presense of Maggie and Co., in addition to Jon Voight's defense secretary, wasn't what slowed down the movie's pacing - it was the amount of time GIVEN to them.
Sharks and Dinos are not characters. Transformers are. They should be treated no different than human characters. A Transformers film should be about Transformers first and humans second.
Shoot for the impossible...
...Then do it.
"It's not easy being a Michael Bay fan. In contemporary society you could be an overweight, disabled, lesbian, African-American Jew who smokes, and still you wouldn't be as discriminated against as much as someone who positively adores Armageddon."
www.jesterpictures.com www.jarek.com
See, that's your problem, you still think of them as machines. Transformers are just like people, only they happen to be made of metal and transform into shit. Then again I keep forgetting that you aren't a fan.
Shoot for the impossible...
...Then do it.
"It's not easy being a Michael Bay fan. In contemporary society you could be an overweight, disabled, lesbian, African-American Jew who smokes, and still you wouldn't be as discriminated against as much as someone who positively adores Armageddon."
www.jesterpictures.com www.jarek.com
AGREES!!!!!!
Sure the robots were cool, but one of the biggest surprises with this film was the character dynamics. Most of the reviews made note of the outstanding VFX, but went on to say the real surprise in the film is the comedy and banter between the characters. I tend to agree with them.
I was very satisfied with my robot carnage, but I could always go for a few more great character moments.
Hate to disagree with you. One of Spielberg's biggest concerns with Jurassic Park was making sure he showed each dinosaur as an individual character - a creature with an individual personality just like a human.
Now, while I don't think he took this approach with Jaws, the shark is still very much a character.
Absolutely. Transformers are characters. Humans are characters. And yes, Sharks and Dinos are characters.
IMO the mixing ratio between humans and bots in this movie was perfect.
The great performance by human actors/actresses made one final push to breathe life into our beloved robots.
VFX in this movie was uber excellent , but if there ware only bots scenes, people might feel "Oh, just another one of beautiful CG movies".
Hopes up. I don't think Michael and crews have added unnecessary two minutes.
Only to geeks and not the majority of the general audience.
I can not tell you how many people I've met that have told me "Jeez, I realy liked this movie...and here I thought it was going to be all about robots and no human story to it....glad they only focused on 2 robots."
I know they can and will have more robot/scenes and dialogue, but never to the point where we will have 90 pages of robot dialougue.
Again people seem to forget that this takes place on earth so yes there does need to be a significant amount of human characters in the story especially the first movie where it is trying to set up a lot of things going on. Maggies screen time wasn't that much and in the old site someone was bitching that Bernie Mac's scene was too long, please, it was five minutes long which is a ridiculous scene to complain about.
For a 150 million dollar movie it was well pulled off and someone could have thrown another 100 million dollars to the budget and it doesn't necessarily mean that more bot scenes would make it better, it just depends upon what would have been created.
"You want to scream? I'LL give you something to scream about!" Quote by G1 Galvatron.
There are more human scenes in the IMAX version from what I understand.
Doesn't matter. I'll be there tomorrow at 1:00 PM.
well, it would be in total contrast to the concerns I have encountered.
"...my heart is turned to stone; I strike it, and it hurts my hand..."
I don't have a problem with the number of human characters in the movie, i enjoyed their parts.
Well, that's exatly what imo was wrong with this movie, as i said a have no problem with the humans, but with the exception of BB and Optimus none of the others transformers got a decent characterization.
I don't want to see 2 and a half hours of robots talking, but at least i'd like to know who they are and how they feel about the situation.
Last edited by AllThatJazz; 09-20-2007 at 03:25 PM.
I am so damn mad!!! I was so excited when I heard that Transformers will be out on IMAX, but guess what, not all IMAX will screen Transformers....
"IMAX Sydney will not be screening Transformers at the theatre. Thank you however for your enquiry."
What's going on!!??? Why isnt IMAX in Sydney showing it!!!?? I believe the only IMAX in Australia that will have the movie playing is in Melbourne. Disappointing. Very very disappointing!!! Looks like the only way to see this movie is to buy the DVDs and watch it on a bloody 20" television screen with a pair crappy speakers!!
The general audience felt that there was not enough character development. To solve that, development would have to happen among the Transformers, and not the humans.
All I can say is, 90 pages of robot dialogue? Bring it on! If humans are to be involved make the sequel 75% transformers/25% humans. Even if a bit of it involves new Transformers crash landing the Ark on earth to establish the Autobot base.
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