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    Variety July 24, 2017:
    ‘Justice League’ Extensive Reshoots Causing Headaches for Star Schedules (EXCLUSIVE)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Kroll & Brent Lang
    Warner Bros. and DC are spending big money to ensure that “Justice League” builds on the creative success of “Wonder Woman” instead of serving up a “Suicide Squad”-style disappointment.


    The studio, which had no comment on the scheduling trouble, is spending approximately $25 million on extensive reshoots that have dragged on for roughly two months in London and Los Angeles, according to multiple insiders. Like “The Avengers,” “Justice League” centers on a group of superheroes who band together to save the world. The ensemble nature of the comic book movie, and the fact that its cast includes several of the most in-demand actors working in Hollywood today, is creating scheduling headaches that have prolonged the shooting.


    It’s standard for big Hollywood movies to schedule a few weeks of pick-up work, but the cost and time allotted to the work on “Justice League” is raising some eyebrows. Reshoots, or additional photography, to use the preferred studio nomenclature, traditionally cost between $6 million and $10 million, and rarely have to juggle so many competing schedules. They typically last a week or two.


    Though stars like Ben Affleck and Gal Gadot, who play Batman and Wonder Woman, aren’t working on any other projects at the moment, enabling them to be on call for the filming, other cast members such as Ezra Miller and Henry Cavill have been scrambling to accommodate the additional photography.


    Miller is reprising his “Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them” role in the film’s sequel, which started filming earlier this summer. Sources indicate that since that is also a Warner Bros. property, scheduling has been easier. The studio has gone out of its way to make him available, but his growing role in the world of wizarding series has made it difficult for him to suit up as the Flash on the same days that other co-stars are available.


    Cavill’s issues are even more thorny. “Justice League’s” Man of Steel had expected to be able to finish shooting the sixth “Mission: Impossible” film before needing to don Superman’s spandex again. That has not been the case, however, as the new scenes that are being shot have required him to jump back and forth from each production. Because of this, a mustache he grew for his character in the “Mission: Impossible” sequel will have to be digitally removed in post-production. Paramount, which is distributing the “Mission: Impossible” sequel, would not allow Cavill to shave the facial hair while production was taking place.


    Then there is the question of crediting. Joss Whedon has now spent months overseeing the project, but he will not receive a co-directing credit, according to an insider. Whedon stepped in to handle the reshoots and finish the film this spring after director Zack Snyder publicly excused himself from the project, following his daughter’s suicide in March. Whedon won’t just be rewarded with a fat paycheck. He may also get a producing credit or a screenplay credit. There’s some precedent. Tony Gilroy, who stepped in for director Gareth Edwards to oversee reshoots for “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story,” earned a screenwriting credit.


    A similar problem exists for the Han Solo spinoff film. Last month, Disney and Lucasfilm fired directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller and replaced them with Ron Howard. It’s unclear if Howard will receive sole credit for shooting the film or will share it with his two predecessors.


    Sources say “Justice League” reshoots have been used to punch up the dialogue. Whedon, the director of “The Avengers,” is well respected for his ability to create memorably wry exchanges between his characters. The set pieces Snyder shot are said to be usable, but Whedon has been working on “connective tissue” that was needed to link sequences.


    “Justice League” is spending the kind of time and money on reshoots that mid-budget films would have to shoot an entire movie. However, this is no longer an anomaly. Major studio movies have become so complicated and expensive, and are often key parts in sprawling franchises, that companies will spend lavishly, even late in the production, to ensure that audiences come out in force. “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story” and “World War Z” both had extensive reshoots, and went on to be commercially and critically successful. “Suicide Squad,” another DC film, also did a lot of extra filming with mixed results. The movie was a box office hit, but critics savaged the picture. Going forward, Warner Bros. has changed its greenlighting process. It will now factor weeks and millions of dollars of additional photography into the production budgets of its major comic book films, according to insiders. Other studios have made similar accommodations on their big-budget films.


    The reports of re-shoots have alarmed some fans of the DC franchise. At San Diego Comic-Con last weekend, where sneak footage of the film earned a rock concert reception, the “Justice League” cast used its Hall H panel to downplay the extent of the additional photography.


    “They’re brief if anything,” said Ray Fisher, who plays Cyborg. “Zack picked a great director to help clean up for us.”


    Affleck also used the panel to shoot down a report that he was leaving the franchise.


    “Batman is the coolest part in any universe — DC, Marvel,” he said. “It’s incredible.”

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    The Best Part of Justice League Will Be Trying to Spot Superman's Mustache
    Thanks to reshoots and scheduling conflicts, Henry Cavill's mustache will have to be removed in post-production.

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    ABC Jul 27, 2017:
    Superman Henry Cavill speaks out on 'Justice League' mustache controversy
    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL ROTHMAN
    When reports surfaced earlier this week Superman actor Henry Cavill was filming "Justice League" reshoots with a mustache, which would later have to be digitally removed, fans lost their minds.


    The actor, who is currently shooting "Mission: Impossible 6," took to Instagram to address the "fiasco" and try to calm fans. Yes, you read that right.


    His cheeky post began "Dear followers."


    "It is time to finally set the record straight in this moustache fiasco," he wrote. "Pictured above, is not a set on 'MI6' but is in fact the latest in a series of weapons being designed by Warner Bros and Paramount Studios to combat the entity known as 'Henry Cavill's Moustache,'" he continued.


    After his joke, he added that "there has been no discussion over whether to shave or not to shave for the JL reshoots, simply a relentless campaign to put an end to the seemingly inexorable conquest of this despotic 'stache.'"


    He then said he fully is aware that the "beast" of a mustache has to go "without bringing our own doom raining down upon us."

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    Me: Nice promotional poster

    Justice League: Thanks

    Me: Can't save the world alone, eh?

    Justice League: Yeap

    Me: So you're going to 'do it as a team'

    Justice League: That's right

    Me: But the Avengers already 'did that' in 2012

    *Silence follows*

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    My SPOILER review. Proceed at your own peril.

    This movie’s fun.

    Though I kind of felt disappointed they had to bring Superman back to life to defeat Steppenwolf. I mean Superman’s their trump card. And they used it up on a villain that’s not even the big boss yet. So what card do they play when Darkseid comes?

    I would have hoped they defeat Steppenwolf without Superman. Then the big bad (Darkseid) comes around in the sequel and its then too much for them to handle and that’s the time they use the Superman card.

    Also, it’s disappointing Darkseid was only mentioned in the film and not shown.

    It was also stupid that the Mother Boxes (that’s what the villain came to collect which is like DC’s version of the Infinity Stones lol) were all kept on Earth by the good forces safeguarding them. Those were supposed to be Intergalactic stuffs, and should be scattered throughout the galaxy.

    There were also 2 end credit scenes. I like the first one as it’s a nod to the comics. The second one’s stupid. Deathstroke looked like a masked man from a children’s party. If you wanna be serious make his tactical costume all black like Batman’s.

    Overall fun film nonetheless.

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    DC should not have jumped to Justice League right away. Besides, why do they need a Justice League movie anyway? Superman and Batman are powerhouses. Just a team-up movie of the two is enough. It works in the comic books! Reserve the League for later.

    Batman V Superman should have just been a solo Batman movie (to introduce the Affleck Batman). And then maybe they could tease Superman towards the end of that movie, followed by a team-up film of the two, instead of this Justice League.

    Part one of the team-up is just Superman and Batman. And then a sequel could introduce Wonder Woman. That way it’s not rushed, and it doesn’t look like they’re copying DC. And most importantly they’re giving fans the characters they want. Not some rushed Aquaman or Suicide Squad or Cyborg that nobody cares about at such early stage.

    It should have been like this:

    1. Superman

    2. Batman

    3. Superman and Batman team-up movie

    4. Wonder Woman

    5. Superman and Batman sequel (now including Wonder Woman)

    6. Flash (with Batman cameo)

    7. Green Lantern (with Superman cameo)

    8. Wonder Woman sequel

    9. Cyborg (with Wonder Woman cameo)

    10. Then BAM! JUSTICE LEAGUE! The crescendo!

    That would have been wonderful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor View Post
    DC should not have jumped to Justice League right away. Besides, why do they need a Justice League movie anyway? Superman and Batman are powerhouses. Just a team-up movie of the two is enough. It works in the comic books! Reserve the League for later.

    Batman V Superman should have just been a solo Batman movie (to introduce the Affleck Batman). And then maybe they could tease Superman towards the end of that movie, followed by a team-up film of the two, instead of this Justice League.

    Part one of the team-up is just Superman and Batman. And then a sequel could introduce Wonder Woman. That way it’s not rushed, and it doesn’t look like they’re copying DC. And most importantly they’re giving fans the characters they want. Not some rushed Aquaman or Suicide Squad or Cyborg that nobody cares about at such early stage.

    It should have been like this:

    1. Superman

    2. Batman

    3. Superman and Batman team-up movie

    4. Wonder Woman

    5. Superman and Batman sequel (now including Wonder Woman)

    6. Flash (with Batman cameo)

    7. Green Lantern (with Superman cameo)

    8. Wonder Woman sequel

    9. Cyborg (with Wonder Woman cameo)

    10. Then BAM! JUSTICE LEAGUE! The crescendo!

    That would have been wonderful!
    If DC hadn't been focusing on doing BATMAN Movies for so long there wouldn't have been the rush to catch up with Marvel. They should've used Marvel's Formula.
    "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrX View Post
    If DC hadn't been focusing on doing BATMAN Movies for so long there wouldn't have been the rush to catch up with Marvel. They should've used Marvel's Formula.
    A lot of their live action characters were already set -- albeit not in a shared world, except for the TV Flash and Arrow -- all they needed to do was come up with something creative to make them meet on the big screen.

    Christian Bale’s Batman – everyone loved that.

    Stephen Amell’s TV Arrow – everyone loves that.

    Grant Gustin’s TV Flash – everyone loves that.

    Ryan Reynold’s Green Lantern – ok a lot of people didn’t like that but the above 3 can carry the film if it were a team-up movie, so this one can just be around for the sake of having an already established Green Lantern.

    And then of course Henry Cavill’s Superman.

    Put them together. This would have been the “other” option. The execs were probably just worried that if they cast say Grant Gustin as the “movie” Flash, he might become too big headed to wanna return to doing the TV Flash series.
    Not true at all. Stephen Amell already starred in Ninja Turtles the movie as Casey Jones and he’s returned to doing the TV Arrow. He didn’t grow a big head.

    A lot of fans were pissed Grant wasn’t the movie Flash. I would have loved it too if it were Grant.

    Instead they did Batman from scratch and the Flash from scratch, and a planned Green Lantern from scratch. Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Cyborg are all new as well. And then expected fans to connect. No way.

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    Forbes Dec 1, 2017:
    The Grim Irony Of 'Justice League' Earning Less Than 'Man Of Steel'
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Mendelson
    It's hard to imagine Snyder's preferred version doing any worse at the global box office, and I imagine a lot of money might have been saved without reshoots and recuts, to say nothing of a better reception with more polished special effects. So instead of a $200 million+ Justice League struggling to top $650m worldwide, you've got an alleged $250-$300m Justice League struggling to top $650m worldwide. And yeah, as shocking as it is in hindsight, we have a situation where the studio threw Batman into the Man of Steel sequel and turned it into a backdoor Justice League pilot only to now have a Justice League that will probably make less than Man of Steel.

    VARIETY DECEMBER 7, 2017:
    DC Shake-Up in the Works After ‘Justice League’ Stumbles (EXCLUSIVE)
    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Lang
    Warner Bros. is planning a shake-up and restructuring of its DC Films operation following the box office disappointment of “Justice League,” Variety has learned.


    Jon Berg will be leaving his current job running the comic book’s film production division, according to several sources with knowledge of the studio’s plans. A search is underway for his replacement. Berg will instead become a production partner with Roy Lee, the producer of “The Lego Movie” and “It,” who has a deal on the lot.


    “This is something that Jon approached me about six months ago, and he expressed his goal was to ultimately be a producer at the studio,” Warner Bros. Picture Group President Toby Emmerich said in a statement to Variety. “I first met Jon when, as a producer, he brought ‘Elf’ to New Line, which remains one of the best and most evergreen titles in the library. We’re thrilled that Jon is partnering with Roy and anticipate their company being a valuable source of movies for Warner Bros. and New Line.”


    Warners is expected to name a new person to run point on DC’s films. Geoff Johns, who has partnered with Berg on much of the creative direction of the movies, is expected to continue serving as DC Entertainment’s chief creative officer. Johns, who reports to DC president Diane Nelson, works in areas such as television (and has written various episodes for DC-inspired shows), publishing, and consumer products, in addition to his contributions to the films. Going forward, his work on the films may evolve, and could be more advisory in nature.


    These people also say that Emmerich is weighing the idea of further integrating DC’s film operations into the studio’s main movie arm. That would entail putting the divisions under the same roof rather than having DC remain in a separate building on the lot, sources say. Marvel, which is owned by Disney, does operate its comic book film division autonomously, but other studios, such as Fox and Sony, produce their superhero films under the studio’s banner.


    The DC overhaul is expected to happen by January.


    Warner Bros.’ corporate leaders at Time Warner support the moves and are said to be unhappy with the financial performance of “Justice League.” The film was intended to be DC’s answer to Marvel’s “Avengers,” uniting the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman under the banner of a team of world-saving superheroes. With a budget reported to be as high as $300 million, it represents an expensive bet. After three weeks of release, it has managed to gross $570.3 million worldwide. In contrast, the first “Avengers” film racked up $1.5 billion. The studio did have a number of successes this year with “Wonder Woman,” “Dunkirk,” and “It,” which has helped offset the disappointment of “Justice League.”


    Berg and Johns were intimately involved in the production. Berg essentially decamped for the film’s London set, and both men have full producer credits on the picture, which would likely not be the case on future movies. “Justice League” suffered from a difficult birth. An early version, directed by Zack Snyder, alarmed studio executives with its dark tone. That had been the knock on Snyder’s two previous DC films, “Man of Steel” and “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.” After his daughter committed suicide, Snyder eventually left the production before it underwent costly re-shoots. Joss Whedon, who had been brought on the punch up the dialogue, took over directing, but studio brass recognized that so much footage had been shot already that there were limits to what could be done to improve the picture. Studio executives realized early on that Snyder’s decision to have Steppenwolf, a god-like, all-CGI creation, as the principal antagonist was faulty. In fact, many reviews were particularly harsh about Steppenwolf, criticizing the character for being one-note and the product of unconvincing visual effects.


    There are no immediate plans for Snyder to direct another DC movie, though he is producing or executive producing several, including “Wonder Woman 2” and “Aquaman.” Warner Bros. continues to have a production deal with Snyder, so it’s possible he could direct additional films for the studio. Time Warner is said to be frustrated that Warner Bros. leaders continue to bring the director back, especially after “Batman v Superman” was excoriated by critics even though it made money. They are also upset that each new DC film seems to be making less money than its predecessor. Only “Wonder Woman,” with its optimistic heroine, managed to be both a critical and commercial success.


    While Ben Affleck is expected to appear as Batman in a standalone Flash movie, it is highly unlikely he will don the cape and cowl in Matt Reeves’ planned standalone Batman movie. The director is said to want to cast the role with fresh talent, according to sources.


    Warner Bros. believes that “Justice League” succeeded in one importantly respect: it effectively introduced Flash (a quippy speedster played by Ezra Miller) and Aquaman (the king of Atlantis, portrayed by Jason Momoa). A solo “Aquaman” is due out in 2018 and Warners is still developing a standalone Flash adventure. Going forward, Warner Bros. is planning a sequel to “Wonder Woman” that’s believed to be set in the Cold War, and New Line has greenlit a “Shazam” feature.

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    A Darker Justice League Cut Test Screened, Here's What's Missing
    Quote Originally Posted by BRIAN GALLAGHER
    During his new Fatman on Batman podcast, filmmaker and hardcore DC fan Kevin Smith offered fresh details about this darker cut, which had screened before the theatrical cut came. Here's what Kevin Smith had to say, when a fan asked if he thought Warner Bros. would release the Zack Snyder cut on home video.
    "There's a petition online with something like 250,000 signatures saying put out the Snyder cut. I think it's ridiculous not to. Sell the version of the movie that people are familiar with theatrically, then wait six months and hit 'em with the Snyder vision. What's the worst that can happen? Everybody goes, 'You f---ed up' and Warner Bros. goes, 'Yeah, I guess' but it's in their rear-view, they're working on something else. It's just another stream of revenue for them. I think they'd be bat-shit crazy, pun intended, for them to not put out Zack's vision, which I read an article about, thank you for bringing it up. It was a breakdown of what's missing from the movie. 'These scenes were done before the reshoots and were shown to WB executives.' This piece comes from Superhero Talk Site and he says the opening was longer, it began with Bruce recruiting Aquaman. It was basically the same scene in the theatrical version, but some scenes were cut. Aquaman was originally much more shut off to Bruce here. Deleted, Barry Allen saving Iris West by breaking the glass. Apparently there's a whole f---ing scene of him saving Iris West. Longer, history lesson, what I was most surprised by is the WB cut out dialogue of scenes with Green Lantern, Zeus and Ares. On the battlefield, when they flash back and s--t, Lantern said something and so did Zeus and so did Ares."

    Kevin Smith has recently praised Justice League on another one of his many podcasts, but it's clear the filmmaker would have liked to have seen these scenes in the final cut of the film. He also added that there was another deleted scene with Steppenwolf, where, after he took the Mother Box from Themyscira, he actually talks to the Box. His mother Hegra's essence is alive in the Mother Box and all three combined would give him more power and an edge over his uncle Darkseid. There are other scenes with Victor Stone's (Ray Fisher) early life before being turned into Cyborg. The report also revealed there was a whole scene with Vulko (Willem Dafoe). Another deleted scene is where the whole League visits the Batcave and Alfred (Jeremy Irons) has various reactions to the team. There is also another deleted scene that is reportedly in the middle of the movie, that seemed to anger Kevin Smith quite a bit.
    "Deleted, this is in the middle of the f---ing movie, are you ready for this? Deathstroke breaks Lex out of prison. Why the f--k would you cut that out? Oh my God, I question everybody's sanity. They part ways because the cops are hot on their trail, deciding to meet up later at a location they discuss, which was the scene on the f---ing boat."

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    DC should do what Marvel hasn’t done. Like an all-female superhero movie. Joss Whedon is directing Batgirl. After that they can… uh… bring them together on the big screen.

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    Like what they did in the cartoons/toys:

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