Ninja turtles

[Sweetre15]

This thread makes me laugh.:lmao

Maybe they'll be teenage mutant ninja turtles from another planet. You never know. If this doesn't sound like it'll be a movie you'll enjoy then don't freakin see the damn movie. There's already been a buttload of TMNT movies, comics and shows to fall back on. One movie version that you don't agree with isn't the end of the world or mean that TMNTs are ruined forever or that your ass/childhood has been raped.

In other words, you'll live.

I hope to not come off as rude but here we go:

The promise of a new movie can't be equated to a movie or an episode of a TV show that you've seen already. There will always be that itch. If you're using the "fall back on" logic, then you really don't get what it's like to be a fan of something. And if you really don't get it, then don't comment on it.

Imagine you're a 10 year old kid, and you want this bike. Not any bike, but a specific bike: a 10-speed bike with thick wheels and a frame design that you fell in love with. Your ma sees that you want that bike, and she tells you, "If you want that bike, I'll get you it for Christmas."

So, you're anticipating riding on this bike. You imagine it, you talk about it, you think about how awesome it's gonna be, and come Christmas, you find a bike in your living room covered in wrapping tape.

You rip all the wrapping tape off to find... a used bike from the 70's with thin wheels, a rusty chain and a lame design that's peeling off and says "-UF-Y". Yeah, it's a bike; it's nowhere as good as the bike you wanted (and will probably fall apart the moment you try to ride it), but it's a bike.

Tell me, after that bike falls apart and you're completely disappointed, how are you gonna act when you're told, "Hey, you don't like it? You can always go back to riding your big wheel. You used to like that, remember? It's as good as a bike. Your childhood's not ruined."? Your ma didn't have to get you a bike, and Bay doesn't have to make this movie. In both instances(the bike and this movie), the promise is better left unmade, because at the end of the day, we'd rather admire what we can't have than be given a cheap imitation .

[warhorse]

Just saying, the action shouldn't be the only reason why anyone should watch a movie. I didn't go into Watchmen thinking it was going to have EXPLOSIONS, and dogs humping in the background to make a quick gag. Oh, like I haven't seen that before, that is sooooooo funny. : rol

First, let me say that the Ninja Turtles are my number one favorite comic book heroes, ever. Raphael is my number one most favorite fictional character of all time. ALL TIME! And I am not bothered one bit about this alien business. In fact, I hope he turns Splinter back into the actual Yoshi like 80's cartoon, because really, when was the last time you saw a rat mimic karate kicking motions in his cage?????

Second, I am an electrical/mechanic engineer. I design and build engines that go into military jets, space craft, rockets and the such, so don't even think about considering me some dumb hick. But, Michael Bay is my favorite director. I don't care about the fluff in alot of these movies today, especially in the oscar winners/nominees, and in many critic picks. Watchmen was a horrible movie, I can't see how anyone would like it. To me, the worst movie I have ever seen was the highly critically acclaim and internet darling, Drive. That movie is the worst. And you say Michael Bay has no heart or soul in his movies, guess what, during my theater goings of Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, and all of the Transformers, people cried during the emotional moments.

And judging by the huge box office numbers of Michael Bay's movies, it looks like more people like them than dislike them, so the vocal majority online are probably just the same handful of people with multiple accounts. Just saying.

[Sweetre15]

And judging by the huge box office numbers of Michael Bay's movies, it looks like more people like them than dislike them, so the vocal majority online are probably just the same handful of people with multiple accounts. Just saying.

High box office numbers doesn't equate what people thought of the movie.

In fact, I hope he turns Splinter back into the actual Yoshi like 80's cartoon, because really, when was the last time you saw a rat mimic karate kicking motions in his cage?????

When's the last time you saw MUTANT TURTLES!?

[warhorse]

High box office numbers doesn't equate what people thought of the movie.

Yes it does, high box office means people went to see the movie repeatedly. Not to mention, audience ratings like on Rotten Tomatoes has all of his movies in the 80% or higher, and metic critic has his average movie at an A. Then, there are the DVD and bluray sales.

When's the last time you saw MUTANT TURTLES!?

Don't be a fucking moron. Mutant turtles aren't real, yet, but a caged rat is, and it was ridiculous seeing him kick around in his cage in the 1990 flick. I liked the 80's change to the whole Splinter story much more. That makes more sense that Splinter was Yoshi.

[Sweetre15]

Yes it does, high box office means people went to see the movie repeatedly. Not to mention, audience ratings like on Rotten Tomatoes has all of his movies in the 80% or higher, and metic critic has his average movie at an A. Then, there are the DVD and bluray sales.

Reviews are a better indicator of what an audience thought than ticket sales.You can't say you never went to a movie that looked good that ended up being awful. Also to that "repeated viewings" bit, nice logical fallacy, who says they went to see it repeatedly?

Don't be a fucking moron. Mutant turtles aren't real, yet, but a caged rat is, and it was ridiculous seeing him kick around in his cage in the 1990 flick. I liked the 80's change to the whole Splinter story much more. That makes more sense that Splinter was Yoshi.

So, you've heard of a man turning into a rat because of toxic waste? If so, where? Because I want to see this.

It's called "sci-fi" for a reason. Under the blanket of sci-fi, you can make anything happen on screen, and the audience is expected to raise their suspension of belief. The origin story doesn't have to make sense in this world in order for it to make sense in that one.

[darthrage]

Hey Nelson

Will you be opening up a new section which only talks about the upcoming TMNT film? Or just keep the discussions here for now?

[greensmoke]

sorry, but what the fuck is going on?
why do Ninja turtles fanboys disparage Bay's previous works?
Here is michael bay's fansite, right? i'm not saying you guys have to compliment bay.
but it looks like they visit here to just attack about new ninja turtles and bay. no respect from fans here.
you guys are not fan of his works? if i'm right, then what the hell are you doing here?

[DCBargas]

First, let me say that the Ninja Turtles are my number one favorite comic book heroes, ever. Raphael is my number one most favorite fictional character of all time. ALL TIME! And I am not bothered one bit about this alien business. In fact, I hope he turns Splinter back into the actual Yoshi like 80's cartoon, because really, when was the last time you saw a rat mimic karate kicking motions in his cage?????

Second, I am an electrical/mechanic engineer. I design and build engines that go into military jets, space craft, rockets and the such, so don't even think about considering me some dumb hick. But, Michael Bay is my favorite director. I don't care about the fluff in alot of these movies today, especially in the oscar winners/nominees, and in many critic picks. Watchmen was a horrible movie, I can't see how anyone would like it. To me, the worst movie I have ever seen was the highly critically acclaim and internet darling, Drive. That movie is the worst. And you say Michael Bay has no heart or soul in his movies, guess what, during my theater goings of Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, and all of the Transformers, people cried during the emotional moments.

And judging by the huge box office numbers of Michael Bay's movies, it looks like more people like them than dislike them, so the vocal majority online are probably just the same handful of people with multiple accounts. Just saying.

I saw a rat mimic karate last week. He shown me how to do back-flips!

Yes it does, high box office means people went to see the movie repeatedly. Not to mention, audience ratings like on Rotten Tomatoes has all of his movies in the 80% or higher, and metic critic has his average movie at an A. Then, there are the DVD and bluray sales.

Wait, Rotten Tomatoes? The site that's full of amateur critics that pretend to be critics? Good source.

Don't be a fucking moron. Mutant turtles aren't real, yet, but a caged rat is, and it was ridiculous seeing him kick around in his cage in the 1990 flick. I liked the 80's change to the whole Splinter story much more. That makes more sense that Splinter was Yoshi.

And neither are aliens from a different planet....yet... :P

[greensmoke]

High box office numbers doesn't equate what people thought of the movie.

then high boxoffice numbers means what? poor production value of movie?
it doesn't mean public who have seen the movie hate that movie, neither.
Transformers 3's numbers=$ 1,1 billion. it's huge. it means so many people around world saw the movie.
and naturally some guys in the whole world loved it, and some guys in the whole world hated it.
so sometimes it can look like whole world hated it, or can look like whole world liked it too.

[greensmoke]

Movies are suppose to be taken with respect, with passion. I have not seen that in his movies. You can say all day what makes his movies great, but at the end of the day they are all the same movies, with no heart. Like talking to someone with no soul. It just feels dead and empty inside, and the only thing is keeping you interested is the good looks. I'm sorry I prefer movies with a lot more heart to it, and with a lot more effort. I have not been proven that Michael Bay gives a shit about what he does with his movies, he's just there to make a quick buck, and lacking interest about the plot all in general. Sure he makes the effort to make a good action scene, but who gives a fuck? I barely know what's going on in those scenes anyways. He also makes great effort to put in a lame ongoing gag at the last second, for what reason? The action scenes are a good plus when the heart (story) is there. For me it's a big slap to filmmakers who actually put the effort to the plot, the characters, and the filming. If people want to see a movie that has no heart or soul, then that's fine by me. But I do not consider Michael Bay a great director, he does not deserve that respect from me.

wow, it's really embarassing me. michael bay's movies don't have respect and passion? every movies have true passion and respect from creators.
and Michael bay is passionate filmaker. I don't think he's a perfect filmmaker. but He seriously gives a shit about what he does with his movies for sure.
and bay's movies don't have heart and soul? I certainly saw illusion of nationalism and felt the pain and agony from patriots who loved country, but betrayed by country in the rock.
and I enjoyed humorous dedication about average joe/blue collar character and felt emotional pathos about familyship/friendship/humanity in armageddon.
I see young boy's pure fantasy and tough process to mature in transformers.
great directors like Steven Spielberg, James Cameron and Christopeh Nolan appeciates bay's filmmaking world. surprisingly, even "one of greatest filmmakers ever" Ingmar bergman enjoyed Armageddon.
i guess you don't agree my comments. you would say "it's just your opinion." but yours is just opinion too. not a authorized fact.

[Dan]

In fact, I hope he turns Splinter back into the actual Yoshi like 80's cartoon, because really, when was the last time you saw a rat mimic karate kicking motions in his cage?????

I actually prefer Splinter being a rat. It makes him have more in common with the turtles. Plus, if Yoshi doesn't die it sort of takes away the whole reason Splinter trains the turtles to kill Shredder. Yeah, a rat doing martial arts in a cage is silly. But so is a ninja master, who lives in the sewers, and picks up turtles covered in ooze, and for some reason turns into a rat.

[Dan]

Even still, this is a moot point anyway. Seeing how Splinter will most likely end up being an alien as well.

[DCBargas]

wow, it's really embarassing me. michael bay's movies don't have respect and passion? every movies have true passion and respect from creators.
and Michael bay is passionate filmaker. I don't think he's a perfect filmmaker. but He seriously gives a shit about what he does with his movies for sure.
and bay's movies don't have heart and soul? I certainly saw illusion of nationalism and felt the pain and agony from patriots who loved country, but betrayed by country in the rock.
and I enjoyed humorous dedication about average joe/blue collar character and felt emotional pathos about familyship/friendship/humanity in armageddon.
I see young boy's pure fantasy and tough process to mature in transformers.
great directors like Steven Spielberg, James Cameron and Christopeh Nolan appeciates bay's filmmaking world. surprisingly, even "one of greatest filmmakers ever" Ingmar bergman enjoyed Armageddon.
i guess you don't agree my comments. you would say "it's just your opinion." but yours is just opinion too. not a authorized fact.

I never said it was. Just because I think some of his movies don't have good plots, doesn't mean everyone thinks the same. I've just seen better care for movies based on licensed properties, and better plots executed. And his TF movies aren't one of them. Since you mentioned Chris Nolan, he has shown better care for the Batman movies than Michael Bay will ever show for the TF movies. Even James Cameron when he made the sequel to Alien. And that's just my opinion, thanks for pointing that out. I never once stated that my opinion is the general opinion for everyone else or "authorized fact", other than a lot of other people would agree with my opinion just like how some of you agreed with each other before. I never once stated Pearl Harbor, Armageddon, etc. were bad movies either.

[Albershide]

The thing is after those films people will be concerned, especially after watching what Bay did with the Transformers movies. He changed so much stuff in the source material, and none of those things benefit well for the plots. If it wasn't broken, don't fix it. Just plain simple.

When will the hardcore fans understand that these movies are not made for them? When will hardcore fans understand that they are very little compared to the audience as a whole? Did the hardcore fans asked themselves the question what would have happened if Michael made the 2007 TF movie exactly as they wanted closely following the source material? I can tell you what would have happened. There wouldn't have been more TF movies because they would have failed at the box office and all sequels depends on $$$$$. Michael makes his movies to be enjoyed by the general public. That makes them successful. Like it or not but there are much more people liking his movies than don't. You can check for example on Facebook. Only the first movie has 15 000 000 fans. All the fans have to be grateful to Bay. He resurrected the whole franchise - the toys, the comics, new successful TV shows. This is all because of Bay. This is all because he made his movies for the general public and not the hardcore fans. I can see that this will happen with TMNT as well. This is the best news that the fans could want.

The thing is after those films people will be concerned, especially after watching what Bay did with the Transformers movies. He changed so much stuff in the source material, and none of those things benefit well for the plots. If it wasn't broken, don't fix it. Just plain simple.

And I have a simple question to all the people who were concerned after they saw how many things Michael changed for the first TF movie. Why they didn't came out in 2007 and why haven't they bashed Steven Spielberg for this. He is the producer of Transformers. Why is always Michael the one responsible no matter if he is directing, producing or whatever???

[DCBargas]

And I have a simple question to all the people who were concerned after they saw how many things Michael changed for the first TF movie. Why they didn't came out in 2007 and why haven't they bashed Steven Spielberg for this. He is the producer of Transformers. Why is always Michael the one responsible no matter if he is directing, producing or whatever???

Because Stephen Spielberg made more better films than Bay, a lot of them being timeless classics. At least that's why I'm not blaming him for anything that happened in the TF movies. I've seen how Bay works on those movies. I facepalm when I heard him coming up with the idea for Devastator having two wrecking balls for testicles. Horrible decision making.

[Albershide]

Because Stephen Spielberg made more better films than Bay, a lot of them being timeless classics. At least that's why I'm not blaming him for anything that happened in the TF movies. I've seen how Bay works on those movies. I facepalm when I heard him coming up with the idea for Devastator having two wrecking balls for testicles. Horrible decision making.

I'm not asking you to bash Steven over his previous movies but over the "horrible" decisions that were made for TF. As all of you do now with Michael.
And personally I love the wrecking balls idea. You guys take it too seriously.

[DCBargas]

I'm not asking you to bash Steven over his previous movies but over the "horrible" decisions that were made for TF. As all of you do now with Michael.
And personally I love the wrecking balls idea. You guys take it too seriously.

I could've sworn Transformers 2 was trying to go for a serious tone, but fail to attempt to when you have a robot's balls in your face, and stereotype twins with no point in the plot whatsoever, just so they can get a quick lame gag here and there. Unless that's what you like, that's fine. But how can a movie with giant robots that transform be "serious"? If a TV show, or a video game can do it, why is it so hard for the movies? It's not asking much really. Even the new Transformers show "Prime" is a lot more serious than the movies, and that show is mainly aimed for kids. Excuse me for taking it "too seriously", but I didn't expect to go into watching a Transformers parody, or a comedy with giant robots involved. Most of the decisions that were made for those movies were Michael Bay's decisions, and he's doing the same with this new franchise. If it wasn't broken, don't fix it. Besides we've been going off topic like this for a long while, and I can go on and on, but we both know that I'm not changing my opinion and neither are you or anyone else (and I don't plan to do that). Mainly, I just don't want the origin in TMNT to be changed, if they are changing it. They are Teenage MUTANT Ninja Turtles after all, and not Teenage Ninja Aliens, or whatever they might be. I accept change when it's necessary, but not when it's not needed. Unless they can make it work, I guess I'll give it a try. I'll stick to my guns until I read more info, or at least a trailer to convince me.

[nelson]

Reviews are a better indicator of what an audience thought than ticket sales.You can't say you never went to a movie that looked good that ended up being awful. Also to that "repeated viewings" bit, nice logical fallacy, who says they went to see it repeatedly?

Reviews are in no way a close indicator of a movie's success because 1, the majority of the movie audience doesn't depend on film critic reviews or the tomato meter. 2, traditional film criticism doesn't apply to most Hollywood summer blockbuster because they're entertainment. It's like trying to review a roller coaster in a metaphysical way. And 3, the online community is a niche of the total movie-going population.

I find it hilarious that when a movie by someone who is dear to the fanboy community gets very good box-office numbers, fanboys praise and glorify those numbers as measure of success. But when it's Bay, those numbers don't mean shit and that people got conned into seeing the movie or they're sheep. My, the hypocrisy.

For now, aside from everyone who went to see the movie writing a review, ticket sales and word of mouth are the best indicator of success. If people like your products, they will come and see it and tell others. In the case of the TF movies, people liked what they saw, they told their friends, and more and more people came to each movie and saw it multiple times. How do I know that? The studio conducts exit surveys by a 3rd party to get this type of info.

If Bay's movies are truly as bad as they say, word of mouth would kill them. That hasn't been the case so far.

[Flyingheart]

You rip all the wrapping tape off to find... a used bike from the 70's with thin wheels, a rusty chain and a lame design that's peeling off and says "-UF-Y". Yeah, it's a bike; it's nowhere as good as the bike you wanted (and will probably fall apart the moment you try to ride it), but it's a bike.

The problem here is that you want this quated bike from the 70's which we dont like and that we all want the cool Off-Road Terrago Disc from Giant which has way more options, looks 10times slicker and can easily bring you to 35km/h and make you stop within 2meters. Yes this is a metaphor of how cool the next movie is gonna be like..

"they are from an alien race.." They could be cast as outcasts of that race maybe like the ugly ducklings and moved to earth or something.. They dont have to be The aliens..

[Bayhem]

Sweetre15: "If you search Michael Bay's name, at the moment, what will come up is the outrage expressed at his claim. It is so massive that top comic and video game news sites have been reporting on it, and obviously so big that this forum has ceased registration."


Oh my, "top comic and video game news sites"! You're right, the world is ending because of that, and it automatically means that all people on the planet are angry because of one statement from the producer of an upcoming movie. Seriously, some of you folks really like to overreact.

And no offence to you, but maybe it's time to look at the big picture and realize that the internet and the internet community is just a small fraction of the world's population. Just because some people on the web are angry because of this doesn't mean it translates into the real world. Do you actually believe that Bay cares what these websites and bloggers are saying about him and his decisions? Let me answer that - no. Because the same people were trashing his name way before the "Turtles thingy" and he (and his fans) is used to that.

It's pretty much the same for Stephen Sommers. There's a lot of hate for him as well, but the man said it best: "The beautiful thing about the internet is that all the poison and hatred stays on the internet. These haters don't affect my work in real life and my decisions in real life."


There you go. The exact same thing can be said about Bay.



Sweetre15: "Why don't you show me all of the people, outside of this forum, who are in love with his movies?"


You make it very hard to take you seriously. Maybe I should also start asking question like "Show me the people outside the internet and outside websites like Rotten Tomatoes, who hate his movies"?

But we're not going anywhere with this, because it's just stupid and childish. The fact that he is one of the most powerful people in the business and that his movies are always enjoying huge profits and support from the general audience speaks for itself. You can quote every single critic who hates his movies and you're still not going to prove anything. I'd like to trust facts and my own views, instead of the opinions of people I don't know and people I don't care about.

[nelson]

Hey Nelson

Will you be opening up a new section which only talks about the upcoming TMNT film? Or just keep the discussions here for now?

I will open a new section.

[Bayhem]

Reviews are a better indicator of what an audience thought than ticket sales.

This comment takes the cake. Incredible. Do yourself a favor and google "audience polls" and "CinemaScore". And then check the results for all Michael Bay films.

Yes, all of them were positive. And no, reviews don't mean anything. Especially when it comes to mainstream Hollywood movies. You can trust me on that, because it's my job to know these things. And I really don't like when people who don't know anything about that paint a different picture and make up their own "facts".

[The Transformer]

Haha at the anger on the internet. When Bay said they will be aliens, im confident they would not look like the ones in aliens vs predator having a colored ribbon around their faces lol.

[megatron42]

judith and laird defended bay.. like don't put the cart before the horse

[Mr.Gabba]

Your ma didn't have to get you a bike, and Bay doesn't have to make this movie. In both instances(the bike and this movie), the promise is better left unmade, because at the end of the day, we'd rather admire what we can't have than be given a cheap imitation .

This may come off rude as well, but that's because I'm mean.

This is all that needs to be said. And it's all YOUR OPINION. You don't have to watch this movie. No one is giving you this movie for Christmas. It's your own fault for getting toooooooooooooo excited for something that hasn't happened or that you haven't received yet. Everything doesn't have to stay the same. Bay can make anything he wants. You don't have to watch it. It's not going to... well it really shouldn't affect you. It's just a movie. You might not like it, but some other 10 year old might love it. (I'm thinking you're not 10) Maybe some other adult, kid, alien, turlte wants this movie to be made. Why should they have it taken away just because it butt hurts someone else?

I also find that bikes and movies as a comparison doesn't work. Kids will actually out grow a big wheel, so if the parents want them to ride around on a bike, they have to get them something bigger that the kids fits. Now it doesn't have to be the AWESOME bike that the kid in your comparison was wanting. It could be a cheap bike that falls apart after a few days.

Pretty much what I'm trying to say is, life is hard and YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT.

Deal with it!