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    Seeing as how TF4 is obviously going to be a reality, along with more films after that, an interesting question comes up... Who will be the villain? In TF3, we witnessed the demise of the Decepticons' most well known members. Who could possibly pose a threat to the Autobots for round 4? Taking the route from the many cartoon versions, it would be obvious to resurrect Megatron into his Galvatron form, or something similar. But does that pose as redundant considering the events of ROTF? By the time these films are over, Megatron would have suffered a whopping 3 deaths!!! Is this wise?

    I for one would be all for a resurrection. I would just simply put up with it, cuz frankly, I dont think that Megatron got the glory he deserved. In TF1, we witnessed an awesome, violent, and incredibly villainous side to him. After that, things went down hill. The leader of the Decepticons went all Star Wars on us, revealing himself as an apprentice type figure to the fallen. While an interesting concept, he came off as weak, and got his a$$ beat. In DoTM, we watched a rusting and falling apart Megatron go to the lengths of screaming at the animals of the African Savanah to worship him. Not only that, but got kicked to the curb once again by Sentinal Prime, only to sulk in an alley and randomly have the human Carly come up to him to happily state, "Your just Sentinal's B***ch." Clearly, the poor guy deserves some payback. But, after how Megatron was portrayed in the films, could we be promised with a Bad A$$ Galvatron, or will the resurrection be treated as yet another waste for Megatron's story and power status.

    Another interesting thought that I'm all Pro for, would be... Why not create a completely original Villain? In todays current Hollywood, originality has been disgraced. Every film must come from an original version, a book, back story, etc, sticking incredibly close to the source and its characters. What exactly would be the harm of something new to the transormers universe? Nobody would have the right to complain about how that particular character didnt live up to their original childhood memories, bc he would be fresh. The team behind the films have created many original and incredible designs for the random Decepticons throughout the films, so why not let that originality and creativity be set free on a new main antagonist? Everybody could benifit from it, cuz its something new for fans of any tpye, reinventing the next 3 films. Why set up the story in a way that have been done a million times over in multiple transformers cartoon series'?? You have to ask yourself, is this idea worth witnessing? would this be the end of your world?, i dont think so. In my eyes, this is definately a fun and interesting possibility.

    So what are your thoughts? Has Megatron already thrown his chances of revenge down the drain? Are the writers trust worthy enough in giving him the role he deserves? Or, Do you see room for the films to gain a new original Decepticon to take his place, throwing aside the similar story arc of resurrection seen so many times before over the years?

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    The problem with resurrection is that it ends up taking away the emotional impact of death. If a hero character dies for example, you're suppose to feel sad, not think "meh, he's gonna come back to life soon." Dead characters should stay dead.

    They cannot bring back Megatron again. I don't care if they rename him Galvatron. It would be stupid. When Optimus gloriously ripped off his head, I pretty much knew it was over. That's what it felt like. Also, they would probably not make the same mistake when disposing the body. I'm willing to bet they had him and the Decepticons melted down to scrap this time around.

    If TF4 is coming, new villains please. If it has to be Galvatron, make him a separate character. It's been done before in the comics.

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    very good point. like i said about how Megatron would die a total of 3 times, whats the point in bringing him back again if you KNOW he is just going to end up dead again. whether it be the classic transformers, beast wars, transformers prime, or anything in between, megatron has always faced the power of resurection. whats the point in witnessing it on screen again in some other fashion? all these cartoons keep repeating things with these characters, so it shouldnt be heart breaking to see someone new in the next movies, original or not.

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    another interesting thought is to have Megatron exist through flashbacks, so he could still be a part of the films in some small way. If the fourth film is going to focus more on character like whoever supposudly said, it would be cool to see Megs appear throughout the memories of the autobots and decepticons. still have fight scenes with megatron facing bots on cybertron like Optimus, or have them being shown as friends before their fued began, despite the fact that he is dead in present time. Of course these would be small scenes of the "past," making sure not to dwell on the dead Megatron so much. ya gotta move on from him, but that doesnt mean he cant be mentioned in some ways. that could then add more of an emotional impact towards megatron when re watching DOTM.

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    I think the idea of having Galvatron to be a completely new and different villain from Megatron would work. I personally don't like films where it takes you through a series of flashbacks. It gets annoying by switching tenses but it does depend on what the flashbacks are for. What I liked about DOTM this time was that the Decepticons were not chasing after something that Sam had possession of. Instead he was just an annoying mosquito that got in their way. If there is a TF4, I would like it to continue from DOTM, not as an event that picks up where DOTM left off, but maybe 5 or so years later where change has occurred. Sam would be older or there would be a totally new main character. I know that not many people liked how in DOTM it was more of US Military vs Decepticons but I think that is pretty cool, it would probably be the same if real robots were to invade the Earth. They should have a something similar to DOTM, a small scale group of NEST troops with the Autobots but instead have more Autobots alongside them.

    Also, the idea of having a battle scene like the forest battle in ROTF but in a snowy setting would be awesome!!! I remember this idea popped up around the same time when DOTM was announced.
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    I think the idea of having Galvatron to be a completely new and different villain from Megatron would work. I personally don't like films where it takes you through a series of flashbacks. It gets annoying by switching tenses but it does depend on what the flashbacks are for. What I liked about DOTM this time was that the Decepticons were not chasing after something that Sam had possession of. Instead he was just an annoying mosquito that got in their way. If there is a TF4, I would like it to continue from DOTM, not as an event that picks up where DOTM left off, but maybe 5 or so years later where change has occurred. Sam would be older or there would be a totally new main character. I know that not many people liked how in DOTM it was more of US Military vs Decepticons but I think that is pretty cool, it would probably be the same if real robots were to invade the Earth. They should have a something similar to DOTM, a small scale group of NEST troops with the Autobots but instead have more Autobots alongside them.

    Also, the idea of having a battle scene like the forest battle in ROTF but in a snowy setting would be awesome!!! I remember this idea popped up around the same time when DOTM was announced.
    i here ya on the snow idea. i keep imagining Optimus and Megatron battling in a rain storm, atop sky scrapers, with the sky so darn gloomy and horrific looking as could be. imagine all that rain pouring off of them, and Optimus going in for a punch in slow mo, where lightning strikes his fist while its pulled back behind his head, then slams it into Megatrons face, with the lightning arking across his face and head. that would be my dream death match between them i think the military thing at the end of DOTM sort of bugged me. If the fighting between the autobots and the military was evenly shown, id be all for it, but it got to the point where we didnt even see the autobots really take out many decepticons, and then they were somehow captured at some point. still, very good fight in the end.

    flashback wise, i still really like the idea, but it definately wouldnt want to see it happen in all of the next films. probably not the fourth, but then do it in the fifth, and not the sixth, that way it would be nice to give some mention to him in some way, if of course its even essential for the story.
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    Please do not post any plot idea. OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sora View Post
    Please do not post any plot idea. OK?
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    No more resurrections. Start the villains fresh. It'll nice to have some new characters. Unfortunately, I think DOTM would of worked fine without Megatron, and Sentinel was a nice juicy villain, we need more like that.
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    See, I'm glad people are so up to this idea of someone new. It would be so fun to see. But, not to change the subject, since a TF4 forum section is started and I made this thread prior to that, am I able to move this thread over to that section? I think it belongs there now and I have no idea how to do that haha
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    A movie called "Transformers..." without megaton is like a scarface without Tony....>=LAME
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    oh and I hope in this movie Optimus didn't learn something new...Optimus need to get his CIA bots more gadgets cause their "intelligents" are always off...never know this and that decepticon existed etc etc
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    Why can't we place plot ideas?
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    Anywhoo, Galvatron as a seperate identity or Megatron as a headmaster.

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    Dark Energon could work as a plot device, have a zombie Megatron or something.

    Not sure how Headmasters would be able to work believably in Live Action
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    Well heres the problem with Megatron returning. First off, he already did return from death and if done again, that makes for a very redundant plot and downright shows lack of originality in my opinion. Second, if he comes back again, please tell me what the entire point of DOTM would be. Third, he would be killed again at the end of the new trilogy, so how is us witnessing his death for a third time going to benifit the audience. And lastly, we have all seen Megatron in many different ways through television, toys, etc. He is always around us. Currently he is on Transformers Prime and will be back in Fall of Cybertron, and plus we already got our live action movie dose of the guy. Is it really going to hurt us if he doesnt come back for another movie?
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    Ironhide, don't care if Prime has to make the whole 'Journey into the matrix' Bring him back. Yeah okay loved Jazz but didn't have time to become attached to him. Ironhide whole other story.

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    I don't mind if they kill or resurrect characters, but I do prefer new ones...

    What I most love from T3, is playing it slowly to spot transformers (like constructicon Scrapper) in battle and lot more (even no name yet robots), T3 has a lot of work involved, and nice humor coming this time from human factor (good point) instead of robots like the twins in T2, the only think I like as humor from those idiots is the fact they transform in "smart cars". However those characters completely bring down the "devastator time", as an example, just bumblebee in that shot was enough... About resurrected ones, soundwave comes back as soundblaster in "headmasters", is not new chapter, so I vote for Originality (and doesn't matter if those characters were never before in any other story)

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    The trilogy only has to do one thing: move past Optimus and Bumblebee. Because they're the central focus and their personalities are semi fleshed out, there has been no need to develop any other bots personality. We don't have to worry about humans anymore which means we can focus on what everyone wants to see, the bots. I say follow the formula of the old movie. Get rid of the well known characters (OP, Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Ratchet, Ironhide, Brawn, Prowl all died in the first 10 mins of the first movie) and introduce newer characters with their personalities. I like knowing that Springer "has better things to do tonight than die" and that Kup is an "old-timer" with a bunch of stories. I don't know anything about Dino or Ratchet or the Wreckers or Sideswipe in the movie continuity. That is sad. We need to get to know the bots. The 1st three movies gave me enough explosions. The TF are way more than just explosions and fighting. They all have individual and identifiable personalities. I want to see some of that resurrections or not.
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    I think both.
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    I think Michael can handle better and more complex stories in his movies with the use of his iPad.
    He can keep looking on his iPad where he is on the storyboard or whatever, but then again it could get hacked.. Michael use one of those digital photo frames they cant break into that
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