Academy Awards 2012

[Lbrosfilm]

^No surprise here. http://www.imdb.com/news/ni19342814/

Let me make this as clear as I can: MICHAEL BAY DESERVES THIS AWARD.

[IHeartBayhem]

I predict the nominees will be:

Transformers DOTM
Planet Of The Apes
Deathly Hallows Part 2
Hugo
Sucker Punch

If DOTM doesn't end up on the list, then I'll be pissed.

Knowing the Academy though, they'll give the win to Apes.

[Albershide]

I predict the nominees will be:

Transformers DOTM
Planet Of The Apes
Deathly Hallows Part 2
Hugo
Sucker Punch

Sounds about right. I personally would change Sucker Punch with The Tree of Life and the list will be complete.
The winner will be one one of the first 3 - TF, HP and Apes. Knowing the academy I think they'll give the award to HP.

[Lbrosfilm]

Knowing the Academy though, they'll give the win to Apes.

Unfortunately, this will most likely be the case. Especially since Fox is trying to get Andy Serkis nominated for Best Actor (Academy would never go for that). Don't get me worng, Apes was cool, but the effects' realism suffered whenever the apes were running/moving. (I guess WETA had their hands full again. )

Although, if DOTM doesn't end up in the final five, I'm going to hurt someone. Literally, I'll walk outside and punch some random person. (Sarcasm)

[MitP]

I love the idea of a movie about giant alien robots winning an Oscar. :borat

[Crainy]

No movie deserves the best visual FX Oscar more than Transformers: Dark of the Moon. Its a scandal that Transformers 2007 did not win, so they have to make up for it now. But they wont, because the Oscars are nothing more than a stupid publicity stunt.

[aaditya15]

i would be grt if dotm gets best vfx award,but i am looking forward for the sound categories more becoz there is no deny dotm is having the finest soundwork of all time.

[Ed Fuego]

I read this morning that DOTM got nominations for best VFX, sound editing, and sound mixing!

Congrats to Bay and all the talented people who worked on the movie!

Ed Fuego

[sora]

I read this morning that DOTM got nominations for best VFX, sound editing, and sound mixing!

Congrats to Bay and all the talented people who worked on the movie!

Ed Fuego

borat:borat

[r-type]

Congrats and best of luck!

[Albershide]

Sound Editing
“Drive” Lon Bender and Victor Ray Ennis
“The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” Ren Klyce
“Hugo” Philip Stockton and Eugene Gearty
“Transformers: Dark of the Moon” Ethan Van der Ryn and Erik Aadahl
“War Horse” Richard Hymns and Gary Rydstrom

Sound Mixing
“The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” David Parker, Michael Semanick, Ren Klyce and Bo Persson
“Hugo” Tom Fleischman and John Midgley
“Moneyball” Deb Adair, Ron Bochar, Dave Giammarco and Ed Novick
“Transformers: Dark of the Moon” Greg P. Russell, Gary Summers, Jeffrey J. Haboush and Peter J. Devlin
“War Horse” Gary Rydstrom, Andy Nelson, Tom Johnson and Stuart Wilson

Visual Effects
“Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2″ Tim Burke, David Vickery, Greg Butler and John Richardson
“Hugo” Rob Legato, Joss Williams, Ben Grossman and Alex Henning
“Real Steel” Erik Nash, John Rosengrant, Dan Taylor and Swen Gillberg
“Rise of the Planet of the Apes” Joe Letteri, Dan Lemmon, R. Christopher White and Daniel Barrett
“Transformers: Dark of the Moon” Scott Farrar, Scott Benza, Matthew Butler and John Frazier

The Real Steel nomination was a surprise.
I'm confident that DOTM will win at least one.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/oscars-84th-academy-award-nominations/

[Trailbreaker]

My bold prediction, Hugo will win everything. Why? It's already a critics' darling, so why not just award them everything else?

Don't get me wrong, I want Dark of the Moon to win, but you gotta consider the mindset the Academy has.

[Ed Fuego]

My bold prediction, Hugo will win everything. Why? It's already a critics' darling, so why not just award them everything else?

Don't get me wrong, I want Dark of the Moon to win, but you gotta consider the mindset the Academy has.

I will be one very surprised fleshling if DOTM wins any of these. I think it is deserving, but it also should have won for TF and ROTF.

I bought a new a new home theater receiver that can decode Dolby TrueHD, and last night after setting it up I was watching parts of DOTM, and even though my speaker system is only 5.1, that TrueHD mix is sick.

Ed Fuego

[frolunda71]

TF3 will get the sound Oscars and the visual effects Oscar can go either to TF3 or Planet of the Apes.
The Dolby True HD 7.1 sound on Blu-ray is by far the best sound I've heard so far of any of the Blu-ray movies that I have that has 7.1 sound!
It kicks Kick Ass ass. Pirates 4 ass! Scarface ass! It kicks everybody's ass!!
Though the movies I mentioned have DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 sound and not Dolby True HD 7.1, but I don't believe the difference between these two formats is that big...

[Albershide]

My bold prediction, Hugo will win everything. Why? It's already a critics' darling, so why not just award them everything else?

Don't get me wrong, I want Dark of the Moon to win, but you gotta consider the mindset the Academy has.

Hugo may win many awards but surely not for VFX.
My prediction: Best movie - The Artist, Best Director - Hugo, Best VFX - Apes or DOTM.

[swishbig]

My bold prediction, Hugo will win everything. Why? It's already a critics' darling, so why not just award them everything else?

Don't get me wrong, I want Dark of the Moon to win, but you gotta consider the mindset the Academy has.

Exactly, that is why I could care less about what the Academy thinks.

[BAYsplosions!]

Unless I read it wrong or missed something, I saw Dark Of The Moon was nominated for 3 Oscars: Best Sound, Best Sound Editing, and Best Visual Effects. By all means I hope it wins Best Visual Effects and I'm not just saying it cause I'm a huge Michael Bay fan, these vfx were outstanding and from what I saw this year, not much came close. But just to be nominated is great. Hopefully it wins something. What do you guys think?

[jiggyjazzman]

Wasn't one of the other Transformers movies nominated for best sound and best sound editing as well?

[Albershide]

^^ Yes, the first one.


I still hope that the academy will do the right thing and give the VFX Oscar to DOTM. The movie is the end of a franchise that was neglected by them and they can wash their hands with acclaiming in. At least one movie from the trilogy. I'm sure that they know about the buzz that was created around the 2008 winner and the 2010 nominations. And if they want an opinion they should ask the experts. Look at the VES nominations and if you ask any professional that is doing VFX he could tell you that Planet of the Apes is very far from perfect CGI, on the other hand DOTM was almost perfect.

[IHeartBayhem]

Wasn't one of the other Transformers movies nominated for best sound and best sound editing as well?

The first one was nominated for both, while Revenge Of The Fallen was only nominated for Sound Editing.

[Albershide]

A guy at the TFW2005 boards mentioned a blog that I find extremely interesting. It's a long but great read. I'll try to sum things up.
The blog is run by Todd Vaziri - a visual effects artist that works for ILM and who worked on all the major ILM projects from 1998 (including the 3 TF movies). In the recent years Todd was trying to find a method by which you can predict which movie will take home the VFX Oscar. For ease I'll quote directly from his blog.

In early 2008, I took an exhaustive look at the previous 23 years of visual effects nominees and tried to determine what was a better predictor of the film that wins the Oscar: critical acclaim or box office popularity. And please keep in mind that this is a game of prediction; this process does not take into account the actual quality or achievement of each years' nominees. We are looking at Academy voting trends, and what criteria influences Academy voters' choices.

This prediction method was good until 2007 when the least critically acclaimed and least box office popular movie won the Oscar - The Golden Compass. I'll return to this later.

After analyzing the data and looking for the trends in the winning films, we added several new criteria and weighted the criteria until we hit paydirt. Using nine carefully weighted scores, we devised a formula which was able to predict the visual effects Academy Award winner with a 100% accuracy

Here are the 9 points that make up the formula that correctly predicts the winner:

• Critical Acclaim
• Domestic Box Office
• Academy Nominations
• Month of Release
• Sequel Score
• Previous Sequel Was Oscar Winner
• Primary VFX Are Creatures
• Facial Animation Acting
• Lead Actor Prestige

The VFX Predictinator (as this method is called) will guarantee an Academy Award win if the film is critically acclaimed, is a huge box office hit, grabs several additional Oscar nominations, and is released late in the calendar year. It can't be a sequel and it must contain lots of organic character work that includes facial performance. Oh, and the lead should probably have an acting Oscar under his belt.
This, however, is a fairly obvious conclusion. What makes the Predictinator interesting is not solely the criteria itself, but the assigning of weight and value to each piece of criteria. The heavy weight of performance-based, organic characters, actor prestige, and critical acclaim, and Oscar nominations match the subjective values of the heavily actor-based Academy. It truly is an honor to be nominated by your peers in the visual effects community, but to win the Oscar, your film needs to be loved by actors who enjoy (and wish to reward) lively character-based visual effects.

So if you apply this method to the last 22 years of VFX Oscars you'll get the winner. It's 100% accurate. Of course the guy tweak many things so this would work for everyone. The hardest tweak was for the 2007 Oscars. Yes that's right the year that Transformers was robbed. Here are Todd's thoughts on this:

In 23 years of charting, in years where there were three nominees for Best Visual Effects, the film with the lowest critical acclaim never won the Oscar. In addition, the film with the least box office return never won the Oscar, as well. Thumbing its nose at the historical statistical data, the 80th Academy Awards gave the visual effects Oscar to "The Golden Compass," the film with both the lowest critical acclaim (by a slim margin) and the lowest box office tally, amongst its fellow nominees.

All the Industry watchers predicted that Transformers, would win the visual effects Oscar for several reasons: its celebrated visual effects, its enormous popularity at the box office, and the fact that the movie was generally entertaining. So exactly how did "Compass" claim Oscar? Here are a few ideas:

Theory 1: The Academy is biased against ILM. This myth, still repeated among some visual effects fans and professionals alike, proclaims that old Hollywood is still fuming at George Lucas, founder of ILM, for his departure from Hollywood, and his hoarding of "Star Wars" riches. The theory also says that Hollywood is tired of ILM 'bullying' the effects community, and after years and years of success, needed to be brought down a notch

Theory 2: The vote was split between "Pirates 3" and "Transformers," giving "Compass" the win. This theory postulates that the majority of Academy voters actually wished that either "Pirates 3" or "Transformers" take home the Oscar, giving a plurality to "Compass."
How would this work? Let's say that 60% of the Academy voters marked either "Pirates 3" or "Transformers" as having the best visual effects of the year, which isn't entirely unreasonable. Well, if that 60% is split right down the middle, that leaves the 40% earning "Compass" with a plurality, and the Oscar win.

Theory 3: "Compass" is the best family-friendly choice. "Compass," on paper, is the most family friendly of the three nominees, starring cute child actors, the handsome Daniel Craig, the beautiful Nicole Kidman, and-- gasp! -- cute, cuddly, talking animals. In fact, one cannot forget a similar upset from 1995, when "Babe," the G-rated family-friendly film defeated the overwhelming odds-on favorite, "Apollo 13." What did "Babe" have that "Apollo 13" didn't have? Cute, cuddly, talking animals.
Although all three films carried the PG-13 rating, "Transformers" and "Pirates 3" were hard PG-13's, in my opinion, with some serious mean streaks of violence and intensity, while "Compass'" action sequences were less intense.

Theory 4: The Academy doesn't want to reward Michael Bay. The poster child for 'all that is wrong in today's cinema' is Mr. Bay, according to the Hollywood establishment, and the theory states that the Hollywood establishment would go out of its way to avoid rewarding Bay by not voting for the film that bears his name.
Bay's crimes include: legitimizing quick MTV-style editing; making films that celebrate explosions, cars, car chases, and boobs; creating the world's shoutiest movies, where a quiet moment is an anomaly; creating dizzying shaky-cam action sequences with so much frenetic camera movement whose ultimate outcome is confusing and disorienting, leaving the audience wondering 'what the heck is going on?'; creating one-dimensional characters; essentially filming misogynistic, racist, jingoistic, product-placement-dripping, military recruitment movies with only as much integrity and honesty that 13 year old boys can handle... and all along the way, driving home with giant dumptrucks full of cash.

Whatever the reason surely there is something strange about 2007. You choose which one is closer to the truth.

And now the prediction for 2012:

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So according to this Hugo should easily win the Oscar and DOTM is with the smallest chance of them all. We'll see if this is right in 20 days. I think that this guy will have to tweak again this method as he did after 2007 because I really can't see Hugo win. But who knows.....

What do you guys think?

http://fxrant.blogspot.com/2010/01/v...or-part-1.html

http://fxrant.blogspot.com/2008/03/p...ar-part-5.html

http://fxrant.blogspot.com/2012/01/v...my-awards.html

[Bayhem]

*Critical Acclaim

Yeah, why I'm not surprised that (again) certain people are using critical reviews as some sort of indicator of whether a movie is good or bad. Or whether it deserves to win an Oscar for Visual Effects. "ID4" won an Oscar for VFX and that movie was not exactly a critical darling. But either way it doesn't matter - as far as I'm concerned, the Oscars lost their credibility years and years ago.

Bay's crimes...

Crimes? : rol

I'm curious, what's next? He'll be the destroyer of the entire human race?

I think some people take movies too seriously. Way too seriously. And if what's written on that section is coming directly from that guy Todd Vaziri, he can expect a letter from his bosses. As Megan learned, you don't trash the guy who's giving you a job. And that "Bay's crimes" section is clearly bashing (it's also insulting his fans) and it's clearly coming from the guy who owns this blog. I'd be careful if I were him.

[Trailbreaker]

Exactly what I'm predicting, Hugo. DOTM and everything involved in it simply deviates from the mindset of the Academy. I would honestly love to see it win, it totally deserves it, but that's just not happening.

[Albershide]

Yeah, why I'm not surprised that (again) certain people are using critical reviews as some sort of indicator of whether a movie is good or bad. Or whether it deserves to win an Oscar for Visual Effects. "ID4" won an Oscar for VFX and that movie was not exactly a critical darling. But either way it doesn't matter - as far as I'm concerned, the Oscars lost their credibility years and years ago.

Don't take this too seriously. For critical acclaim he uses Rotten Tomatoes. We all know about them. This is just a small part of the method.

Crimes? : rol

I'm curious, what's next? He'll be the destroyer of the entire human race?

I actually think that he is being sarcastic about these "crimes". He has nothing personal against Michael.

[Bayhem]

Don't take this too seriously.

Oh trust me, I'm not. I just find it very...for lack of a better word, predictable. That's all.

I actually think that he is being sarcastic about these "crimes".

Well to be honest, I see nothing sarcastic about this. But I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll just leave it to that.