The official debate: Are we alone?

[Mr Majestic]

I hope to see/meet hem in my lifetime, just like i one day hope to fly into space (commercial spaceflights). What was one day a dream is becoming reality in all aspects of life.






As for the reports you can freely access the UK DOD, US FBI, CIA and various other intelligence agencies file online now.

One of the most credible (reported on a joint UK/US military base) was the Rendlesham/Bentwaters Incident:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident

http://www.ufocasebook.com/pdf/ufofilepart1.pdf

The Halt audio tape:

[the_almighty_moo]

Either we are part of a greater galactic community or humans being the only sentient race around makes us the Freaks of Nature.

Poll needs a "not sure button" by the way

[Flyingheart]

You know what the funny thing is..?

It's always in the USA or near Mexico or whatever... all or most of these stories come from the USA you never hear stories from Asia or Europe (and don't come with that WWII material) I'm starting to think that these wild stories and "top secrets" are a recruiting flag for young people to join these agencies.. to spy all around the world or whatever, making it a boys dream job if you will... you can practicly make a movie out of this nonsense..

Remember what they say about earth: "We are unique because of the distance between the moon, the sun and the slight tilt in our rotation, the perfect combination to form life on earth."

[Flyingheart]

I read an article in the newspaper about UFO's.. and apperently this old video:



That i watched on YouTube a few years back which i didnt think of about to much at that time and thought it was probably some very old propaganda video or something whatever.. is apperently true and did really happen.. =/ this happened in 1989-1991 which is the same years i came to Belgium =/ apperently the southern side of Belgium got hold of this news and went balistic about it and they tried to keep it hush hush for the rest of the country or something..

Sooooo.. i got a little story to tell here...
I was about 5-6 years old back then when this happened, and i remember something pretty weird when we all came home at the new house and we were on the driveway and we stepped out and walked to the front door of our house right.. and so i walked and i noticed light shinning on my right leg when walking to the front door with everybody and so i stood still to look from where this light was shinning cause the light on my leg was like a clean circle and i was looking from where it came but i didnt see any lights around and the light was not visable on the ground, so i got on my knees and my mom said "are you coming?" and i was on the ground looking from where this came from the ground and there was no light shinning in my face from that possition.. and at a certain point i saw a lightflash above the forrest next to us but it was pretty fast and gone.. couldnt see it anymore after that.. my brother said it was probably his disco lights.. and so i looked at his disco lights and they were not teh color of the light on my leg.. and the light was not on in my mom and dad's bedroom either.. so i have no clue till this day where this light came from.. weird right? i didnt ask myself more questions after i saw the light i just went on with my life but i did think about it that night i went to sleep but thats all.. think what you will of this, maybe it was something else that i didnt notice i dont know..

Of course we live in a world of paterns and the person who created Aliens and UFO's is probably Hollywood or some book writer and wants money from people who talk about "HIS/HER" creation everytime people use it in the news or whatever.. it's probably the most biggest money making patern there is on planet earth and is probably worth saying a billion times "getting right while sleeping" with this patern..

[Flyingheart]

This is probably true cause i know the Belgian people as a bit boring and pretty serious people and dont want to be declared as a fool so these events were most likely very, very true:

[Flyingheart]

Woops, i meant:

It's probably worth saying a billion times "getting rich while sleeping" with such a patern..

[TIMtationX]

Do I think we're alone? No, but I DO know that we'll probably never know for sure.

SN: I dont understand the point of trying to find Earth-like planets that are like 600 light years away. We will never ever get there.

[Trailbreaker]

SN: I dont understand the point of trying to find Earth-like planets that are like 600 light years away. We will never ever get there.

The same reason aliens don't just land in Washington DC and shake hands with the president and other world leaders, with the whole world watching it on CNN, BBC and the likes. While I do believe there's intelligent life out there, most are probably stuck in the same situation we are, not being able to travel far into space. Hell, some probably had to scale their space programs' budgets back because they're in an economic recession. Wait, that sounds familiar...


If we do find life out there, we will more than likely find a planet full of alien cattle grazing on alien grass than a super advanced civilization.

[Flyingheart]

Do I think we're alone? No, but I DO know that we'll probably never know for sure.

SN: I don't understand the point of trying to find Earth-like planets that are like 600 light years away. We will never ever get there.

Yeah i agree with you on that, were all pumping money in all these space projects while were still using old crap techniques to launch us into space, were not focusing on what were doing, we need to come with new more natural universal energies that can also launch us into space or in the air, like these UFOs are doing.. were still using that old crap from WWII that they used in the old V1 and V2 rockets that they bombed our cities with here in Europe.. but of course were never going to stop using oil cause there is just to much of it in our ground/earth and its much more fun to trade it to get rich and spend, spend, spend money.. if i were that rich with all that oil i would have killed myself of boredom already.. i would already look past all that material bullshit and start developing things that human kind have never seen before... but who am i...

[Mr Majestic]

I hate people who are so ignorant and arrogant that they make retarded statements like "why don't Aliens land on the White House lawn?"

Did you stop to think that they might be so advanced mentally, technologically and spiritually that they look at us the same way we look at insects? Have you ever tried to interact or communicate with a worm?

A controversial theory i once looked into with several university professors, scientists and private researchers was the belief that not all Dinosaurs died out 300-400 millions years ago. What we have been brought up to believe in our educational (mainly the scientific and historic) curriculum is not correct. What if certain species were able to continue developing and possibly started interacting with early humanoids, there is a possibility that some of our ancient civilizations may have been constructed by advanced beings that evolved from early Dinosaurs/humanoids. A lot can happen in 100 years... then think about 1000 and then a million years...

Aliens (especially Grey's, Insectoids and Reptilians) might just be the original inhabitants of this planet, simply highly evolved over 100-300 Million years, some still live here and interact with us, some travel the stars in advanced craft.

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[Trailbreaker]

Here's another theory about aliens not simply saying hello to us. What if we actually live in some galactic "wildlife reservation" created by the aliens? What if we've been deemed an endangered species and we're actually being protected? Hence why they don't simply land and say hi, it would cause worldwide panic. The abduction stories? It's the same as conservation officers tranquilizing an animal, inspecting it, and embedding a radio chip into its skin to keep track of it.

[Mr Majestic]

That too is a very likely and controversial topic and one of the many possibilities i believe in. Could we really be in a "cosmic wildlife reserve" or maybe life here was seeded or aided by alien intelligence.

[Flyingheart]

I hate people who are so ignorant and arrogant that they make retarded statements like "why don't Aliens land on the White House lawn?"

Did you stop to think that they might be so advanced mentally, technologically and spiritually that they look at us the same way we look at insects? Have you ever tried to interact or communicate with a worm?

A controversial theory i once looked into with several university professors, scientists and private researchers was the belief that not all Dinosaurs died out 300-400 millions years ago. What we have been brought up to believe in our educational (mainly the scientific and historic) curriculum is not correct. What if certain species were able to continue developing and possibly started interacting with early humanoids, there is a possibility that some of our ancient civilizations may have been constructed by advanced beings that evolved from early Dinosaurs/humanoids. A lot can happen in 100 years... then think about 1000 and then a million years...

Aliens (especially Grey's, Insectoids and Reptilians) might just be the original inhabitants of this planet, simply highly evolved over 100-300 Million years, some still live here and interact with us, some travel the stars in advanced craft.

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Ive seen and thought about all the information that was in that video you posted and i concluded that that video is to old, i listened to the guy talk and thought about the newest facts that came out and what i know about human evolution and it all fits, and it's not about our standards that things are kept out, its because they don't fit and they place the puzzle pieces in a more realistic way, a better way then they way those scientists archaeologists think these days.
We have the facts today, and there are more places on earth like that "oldest"place on earth now and i actually while thinking created an answer to one of my questions and maybe the question of more people: "how did they cut those stones so clean?" i think i know how they did it, and not to forget that the technique of the iron molding inside these stones is re-invented by our people again, without the know how of those places, so its just a simple handy technique that every person would probably think of while building walls.
Also, they say that they were as technological developed as us, we already went past them with 50years so they are behind now and that video doesn't look like it's from the 1950's.

Also.. who was dumber? the people who use 100.000KG stones to build a house? or.. the people who cut stones up in smaller pieces and create massive cities and empires and sky scrapers...?
He also says that Atlantis is somewhere under water and thinks its under the North pole.. there are submarines that go through that area non-stop from a lot of countries and the only place we haven't looked for is the South pole where its impossible to live and go under the ice i believe..
And "they think" people traveled over the sea to get to South and North America? i laughed my ass off with that one..

Also the idea of an extreme revolutionized dinosaur being the smartest Alien with high-tech gear flying around with a brain as small as a peanut seems a bit far fetched to me, but of course who am i right.. i could be wrong..

omg i cant keep my eyes open anymore.. going to sleep now.. happy new year everybodyZZZZzzzzzz...! :P

[Mr Majestic]

Also the idea of an extreme revolutionized dinosaur being the smartest Alien with high-tech gear flying around with a brain as small as a peanut seems a bit far fetched to me, but of course who am i right.. i could be wrong..

I think you missed the point, early Dinosaurs were like Sharks, naturally designed to simply hunt, eat and breed. What I'm walking about is the 300-400 Million year gap between Dinosaurs and the rise of early human civilization. Think about certain species of Dinosaurs (Raptors) evolving into a bi-pedal, highly intelligent race. Naturally their brain cavity and intelligence would have evolved and then given rise to a new species of Dinosaur/reptilian creature.

People take everything they see and hear as the gospel truth, they avoid using their own intelligence and prefer to live in ignorant bliss (perfect example - the event's the lies fed to the public after 9/11). Look at it this way 400 years ago if i told you the Earth was not flat but a round/oval planet that revolved around the Sun (instead of believing we were the center of the Universe), 99% of you would think i was mad, informed the church and had me stoned and hanged in public.

A little over 100 years ago if i told you huge metal aircraft could one day carry passengers through the skies, that sound and electrical signals could travel through copper wire and that one day we would have handheld devices that could track and transmit our every communication, take photo's, videos and tap into a world wide web of information (smart phones) you'd laugh and think it was just some crazy ranting of a nut job or a conspiracy theorist.

The reality is that technology and science hasn't changed, simply our understanding and acceptance of it.

[Flyingheart]

I think you missed the point, early Dinosaurs were like Sharks, naturally designed to simply hunt, eat and breed. What I'm walking about is the 300-400 Million year gap between Dinosaurs and the rise of early human civilization. Think about certain species of Dinosaurs (Raptors) evolving into a bi-pedal, highly intelligent race. Naturally their brain cavity and intelligence would have evolved and then given rise to a new species of Dinosaur/reptilian creature.

People take everything they see and hear as the gospel truth, they avoid using their own intelligence and prefer to live in ignorant bliss (perfect example - the event's the lies fed to the public after 9/11). Look at it this way 400 years ago if i told you the Earth was not flat but a round/oval planet that revolved around the Sun (instead of believing we were the center of the Universe), 99% of you would think i was mad, informed the church and had me stoned and hanged in public.

A little over 100 years ago if i told you huge metal aircraft could one day carry passengers through the skies, that sound and electrical signals could travel through copper wire and that one day we would have handheld devices that could track and transmit our every communication, take photo's, videos and tap into a world wide web of information (smart phones) you'd laugh and think it was just some crazy ranting of a nut job or a conspiracy theorist.

The reality is that technology and science hasn't changed, simply our understanding and acceptance of it.

Dude you don't have to attack me with "you people" like i'm one of the "dumb masses" your always talking about, we dont have that here in Europe where i live we dont encourage people to say that people are dumb here we always wanan go up not down thats more of a US culture thing that i dont know much of.. only through television, i know my stuff from various sources unlike the things your talking about i like to question things and not believe everything at the first glance/second because its a different "truth" then the rest is saying, yes everybody is different and thinks different and I'm fine with that but i might not agree with some things your saying and thats simply because there are things you might know that i don't know of and visa versa, as people might want to label their own truth, i always think for myself and check and think about everything more then once so please stop acting as if I'm ignorant itself ok.
Encouragere you to think different ok, but we both live in different continents and we learned different stuff so i might question some things your talking about or might disagree alright and it might be the English too cause the way you say things might have a different context when i translate it in my language alright sodon'ttgett mad or anything.

[Mr Majestic]

I think your starting to take things too personally and out of context, the first statement was meant for you. The second and third are generalizations aimed at everyone, when i wrote "you" in the second and third statements i wasn't trying to say "you - Flying heart", it's said in third person and meant for the reader.

Lastly these comments are not attacking in any way, they're just raw facts. The majority of the research I've done on this topic was collected offline, I visited and talked with credible people, collected information directly from various government, military and commercial sources. Sorry if i come across arrogant but it's been proven that people with high IQ's literally think and communicate differently, I'm not a genius but i do have well above average IQ.

[Flyingheart]

You'll get short answers from me today buddy i'm very tired today..

Ok sure, ok never mind.
Yeah like i said i encourage people to think differently, the more people think differently the better it is for everybody i think, cause there are to many people following one thing in my point of view.. and i have no idea what my IQ is this year it changes from time to time but its alright... good luck doing research on these topics, good thing your doing these things and good that someone cares about these things.
I once new a guy that very interesting who's uncle was also working for a space agency, he was disabled but he had fantastic things to tell, great guy but haven't seen him since.. =/

[CesarCardoso]

I think your starting to take things too personally and out of context, the first statement was meant for you. The second and third are generalizations aimed at everyone, when i wrote "you" in the second and third statements i wasn't trying to say "you - Flying heart", it's said in third person and meant for the reader.

Lastly these comments are not attacking in any way, they're just raw facts. The majority of the research I've done on this topic was collected offline, I visited and talked with credible people, collected information directly from various government, military and commercial sources. Sorry if i come across arrogant but it's been proven that people with high IQ's literally think and communicate differently, I'm not a genius but i do have well above average IQ.

what is it you do for a living? I'm curious because of all those places you listed. Did you do that for work or as a hobby?

[Mr Majestic]

That's confidential, sorry no offence but that sort of information I never release on public forums or social networks but I can say that I graduated in Computer Science in USA and now consult to various International companies and corporations specialising in security, digital infrastructures and various other programs and projects (Kinda like Umbrella Corporation lol, just kidding!). My hobbies include photography, music, science and technology. Basically I'm an generation X kid that grew up to be a uber geek. The reason I care so much for people, animals and things out of my control is because I'm an empath and sensitive to aura's, emotions, ley lines etc. I'm not 100% psychic but I have grow up with the ability to have frequent de javu's, premonitions, lucid dreams, seen ghost's, UFO's etc. I've had a full analysis by doctors, psychiatrist and psychologist and they're professional opinion was that I'm 100% sane, 20/20 vision and well above average IQ. There are simply things between that science and religion can't fully explain.

[ibyabyg]

Of course we are not alone. A wise man once said that life is a way for Cosmos to know itself.


If I don't want to feel truly alone I have to believe in two things at least:
-this external objective reality outside my mind/conscious exists
-some generalizations and predictions are possible (gravity, reasonable time flow etc)

[Mr Majestic]

What are your thoughts on the belief of a "collective consciousness"?

[Mr Majestic]

Space Telescope Finds 100 Billion Alien Worlds in Milky Way

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/...-in-milky-way/

[Flyingheart]

How many people here have downloaded and installed the SETI@Home software on their computers in the 90's? and possibly now? :P

Haha i was one of them was an experiment just to check it out, but i never received a report back from them if there were any aliens/UFO's above my house lol

[Mr Majestic]

:lmao

Did you really think if they did find a signal that they would send you a report? Firstly they'd have to go back to those coordinates and then recheck the signal (if in fact there really was a signal). Then they have specific protocol to follow, lastly.... Seti@home was a great idea to use personal computer downtime to process the signals but also a great way to chew up processing power and secretly monitor users computers.

I met Dr Jill Tarter (Director of the Seti program) in 2006 and spoke to her briefly after a lecture she gave.. the lecture was more of a PR campaign to raise funds for the Allen Telescope Array.

Below is the email i sent to various friends, private investigators, the Disclosure programs directors and various other research institutions i subscribe to.

Last night I visited Te Papa for Dr Jill Tarters 1 hour talk on the SETI program. Roughly 50 people turned up, mostly families with young children. Dr Tarter began by talking about the origins of life and the History of SETI program. 90% of the material she covered was aimed at young children and people who didn't know anything about the SETI program, for a little while I struggled to stay awake.

She tried to dazzle us with random facts and astronomical figures (basically saying you had better chances of winning lotto than finding signs of intelligent life in the Universe).

Then she compared the movie Contact to the real SETI program and compared Jodie Fosters character to herself, making silly comments like “in the movie she wore headphones - in real life we don’t” WTF! What has got to do with anything?

Anyway she ended the discussion talking about the struggle to keep the SETI project alive and recommended that we should be encouraging people to learn more about the SETI program and send donations when possible. Her final minutes were spent talking about her new project - the Allen Telescope Array (ATA) then she turned in to a sale’s rep and offered people and businesses the chance to have their name or business logo on a telescope.

She did exactly what I knew she was going to do and that was turn the discussion into a fundraising campaign and did not discuss anything interesting or worth listening to.

After the discussion we had a brief question and answer session. Only 4 questions were asked (I waited because I wanted to speak to her face to face)
Most of the people that attended simply got up and left at the end but a few people stayed back to talk to her, I was one of them. I waited in line while men and women with young families chatted to her about educational programs for children. When my moment arrived I shook her hand told her it was an honor to finally meet her and got straight to business. I had 3 questions for her:
1 - Have you seen any of the evidence that Dr Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project has brought forward ?
2 - Have you heard of and seen any of the NASA smoking gun footage?
3 - Are you concerned about Mr Bush’s attempts to weaponise space? If so what is SETI doing about it?
This is what she said:
Question 1 - Have you heard of the Disclosure Project and have you had a chance to see any of the evidence Dr Steven Greer has brought forward?
Dr Tarter - Yes I have personally met with Dr Greer and seen some of the evidence in the form of leaked classified files and images of anomalous objects appearing on commercial and military radar stations. (Short pause)...I don’t know what to say, I cant talk about that in detail, I doubt that all the evidence is credible and that all the witnesses are a reliable source of information at all.
JZ - Are you saying you don’t think Nasa’s own scientist’s, technician’s and astronauts as well as people who have worked for various US intelligence agencies, military and commercial airline companies are not a reliable or credible source of information?!!
Dr Tarter - (dodging the my reply) I know an astronaut who has met some of the people who have joined the Disclosure project and he claims they’re just disgruntled ex workers.
JZ - You’re kidding right? Are you trying to tell me that people like Maj Gordon Cooper, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and James lovel as well as those high ranking officials who have worked for various US intelligence agencies, Presidential Joint chiefs of Staff are not a reliable or credible source of information and just disgruntled, also a lot of the people who have come forward still work for government.
Dr Tarter - no comment
At this moment her 2 US embassy aides (one from USA and a Kiwi) flank me. The American speaking one stands to my left and starts giving me a bad look - he is not happy!
OK Question 2 - Have you seen any of the NASA smoking gun footage?
Dr Tarter - no, but tell me more
JZ - I quickly explain how in the late 90’s Martin Stubbs who was the station manager of a Canadian Satellite TV company was able to piggyback NASA unsecured satellite downlink and recorded over 400 hours of shuttle and space mission footage.
Dr Tarter - sounds very interesting, ill have to look into it when I get home.
JZ - Yes it is, during the *Nasa STS-75 mission labelled as the “Tether incident” the camera clearly shows huge, highly energised and pulsating objects flying in and round as well as passing behind the tether and satellite.
Dr Tarter - Long pause and nervous glances to her aides, oh yeah with the Italian satellite that came back reconfigured? (SNAPPED! I had her now) ummm Light can do funny things in space especially when it gets reflected off the glass lens of the camera.
JZ - It was a high resolution military Infrared camera with glare filters and the objects can be clearly seen passing behind the 12 mile long tether as well as making controlled movements like darting towards the tether at high speed, stopping in an instant, hovering near it then flying off at a different angle from its first approach - some at right angles or less!!
At this moment her Kiwi US aide steps in and claims Dr Tarter must has a dinner to attend and must be feeling very hungry.
I thanked her for her time, shook her hand again and left.
In the end all I got was this lousy cell ph pic and a load of BS.*

* I've removed the photo from this original email because I don't like personal images or information on certain public forums and due to my current employment security protocols but if public preasure mounts I'll upload a censored pic.

*The Nasa STS-75 Incident
<http://www.freewebs.com/nurmufo/tether.html>
The STS-75 incident: In the winter of ‘96, Columbia was testing the $100 million Italian Tethered Satellite System, a ball-shaped device linked to a rod-and-reel deployment spool by a cable stretching 12 miles at maximum extension. The experiment was designed to see how well tethers could generate electricity in space. But it ended abruptly when the cable snapped.
During shuttle video acquisition of the broken tether, the black void around the dismembered hardware began swarming with particles and beads of light, resembling an organic soup beneath a microscope. The tether appeared surrounded by the objects.
The satellite was recovered and it’s data recorders were analysed, Nasa scientist and technicians found the results very disturbing, so disturbing the US Department of Defence and National Security Agency seized the Satellite and recovered data.
The satellite and data recovered showed:
Certain parts of the Satellite had been exposed to high levels of radiation that are not normally found in Space but have been found on Earth near UFO landing sites.
The satellite setting's had been reconfigured and some of the gyroscopes and data recorders had been turned off using Nasa’s own remote frequency (Nasa could not communicate or remotely change any settings of the satellite after it broke free).
Scientist also stumbled across signs of tampering as if something had used an extremely precise microscopic laser on certain area’s of the satellite.

<http://www.disclosureproject.com/>
The Disclosure Project is a non-profit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.


I often think to myself of how little the public is told and lead to believe in almost every aspect of their lives. Regardless of what the commercial application of the Seti array is, it is still wholly owned by private corporations and the military. Think about this.... what if the Seti array's main application was not only to "listen" but send out signals and communicate with orbiting weapons platforms, orbiting labs, warships and deep space satellites? You probably think its all BS but that's the evidence that UK hacker Gary McKinnon uncovered when he hacked US intelligence agencies.... if what he did was BS, why is the US govt trying to extradite him on terrorism charges?

[Flyingheart]

Wouw.. such a long and serious answer for such a simple silly question lol :lmao dude i was just kidding, you really think we would keep such a software on our PC back then? you got to be crazy to keep such a dumb software and leave your computer on day and night! lmao! of course we deleted that after the computer almost melted! :lmao

I asked this here because i came across this stupid software on the internet and was surprised it's still available lol it's just a bad joke after all these years