The official debate: Are we alone?

[Mr Majestic]

Hi everybody!

This thread is dedicated to the discussion on extraterrestrial life, are we alone in this universe, is there a cover up, is the truth in our past/extraterrestrial events in our various religious books? Did we evolve from advanced apes or devolved angels?

You are not allowed to attack each other and constantly argue or make it a debate about religion or politics. Openly discuss the pro's and con's of the reality that intelligent, extraterrestrial life forms exist and have been interacting with this planet for millions of years.

It's the one subject that gets openly ridiculed and dismissed in public but behind closed doors it's spoken about in hushed tones, brutal honesty and seriousness. It's really is the biggest story of mankind, the public has been conditioned to accept the reality that ET life could exist in various forms but most people still live in ignorant bliss. Over the last decade the public in most developed countries saw a huge increase in the number of alien themed movie's, alien characters in standard TV shows and full alien themed TV shows. Look at the last 2 years of movie releases! I'll post some of the best cases I know of and the best evidence I can offer but the first question is:

Do you think Aliens could be holy spirits, ET life forms or is it all nonsense and we really are alone in the universe.

[Albershide]

Hey, how come I was the first to vote? You didn't vote on your own thread?

[Trailbreaker]

No "Unsure" option?

I mean, I'm going with "no," but one could say that they just don't f***ing know at this point.

[alexsm]

Statistically unlikely. We live in a BIG universe with millions of galaxies, with millions of stars in each galaxy and millions of planets around those stars. The chance of being alone is close to zero.

But I don't think we have been ever visited. As I said we live in a BIG universe, where distance between inhabited regions may be too big to ever cross them (or maybe they are just as technologically evolved as we are, or less). We may never find anyone else.

[Mr Majestic]

Actually, statistically speaking there is a high chance that we aren't alone in the Universe... if you follow the Drake equation:



where:
N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible;

and:
R_* = the average rate of star formation per year in our galaxy
f_p = the fraction of those stars that have planets
n_e = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
f_ℓ = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some pointf_i = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
f_c = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space.

Therefore if we look at our galaxy and use that as an example there must be more intelligent species in the Universe, and then if you follow a particular faith then I'd hope you would think/believe that your God was gifted enough to spread life throughout the Universe instead of just this 5hitty little planet. I don't get people who look at mankind and think that this is the pinnacle of civilization. All those thousands of years of evolution and advancements in science, medicine and technology and this is as good as it gets? Please, I'd be very disappointed and heartbroken if that was the case. We may have made advancements in science and technology but spiritually we'll always be in infant stage, even our holiest religious figures only barely scratch the surface of real spirituality, more often than not the real message is clouded by personal opinions, money, sex and/or power.

[Mr Majestic]

Some of the best evidence I can offer proving public, military and Government eye witness testimony and involvement, physical evidence (in the form of video/photo evidence, airborne and grounds radar images and recordings, electromagnetic, xray and natural physical trace evidence) is the Rendlesham Incident and the 1942 L.A. Air Raid incident:

The 1942 L.A. Air Raid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles

1942 - Los Angeles, California. Only a few months after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, on the 25th of February 1942 at 02:25 AM, alarm sirens installed in the event of another invasion began.


Unknown flying objects are seen and announced in the sky of the city. A blackout is declared and the anxious, terrified inhabitants follow the instructions by turning all their lights off.


At 03:16 AM, anti-aircraft guns open fire on the unidentified flying objects coming from the ocean, and projector beams are searching the sky. Witnesses observe small objects flying at high altitude, of red or silver-plated color, moving in formation at high speed, and untouched by the AAA salvos.


This large object was hit by many AAA projectiles but the craft was cloaked by a force field. According to the reports, the anti-aircraft defence continued to shoot at UFOs without results.


This is one of the most famous UFO photographs ever taken.

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The Rendlesham Incident:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident




I am a member of the Disclosure Project:

The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 500 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.

This is the full video showing a large number of ex high ranking officials including air traffic controllers, ex secret op. officers, commercial pilots, numerous military defense specialists with top secret clearance lieutenants, ex commanders in the u.s airforce, people who had access to very sensitive documents all going before the national press club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding u.f.o's and all are willing to go before congress to testify under oath..

[Flyingheart]

I think it always has been in human nature to create things out of nothing just because were lonely, humans are not made to be lonely and so we create fictional things just because were scared to be alone like GOD, UFO's, ALIENS and things that might scare people off to make profit like HELL, SATAN, GOATMAN, ALIENS, UFO's, DRAGONS, THREE HEADED WOLF, and the most fantastic trick of all DONT LOOK BEHIND YOU OR YOU'll TURN INTO STONE bwhahaha! XD

But.. i wont Say were alone, I'm gonna keep an open mind about that stuff, you'll never know when we'll reach a planet where theres life and like Buzz Aldrin landing on the moon filming we will film the alien world in the future.. hopefully in our lifetime.. the fountain of youth is already here so its a question of time when we'll get to use it and we'll all turn 120 years :P

[Mr Majestic]

I think it always has been in human nature to create things out of nothing just because were lonely, humans are not made to be lonely and so we create fictional things just because were scared to be alone like GOD, UFO's, ALIENS and things that might scare people off to make profit like HELL, SATAN, GOATMAN, ALIENS, UFO's, DRAGONS, THREE HEADED WOLF

I see your point, it's easy enough to say things like that if you have no hope or faith in yourself, like saying people invented God and then used it as a social control mechanism and/or to simply feel less lonely... It's kinda sad to read things like that, I know how you feel. I think the human race is beyond saving, we are like a cancerous virus on this planet and towards each other, it's easy to loose hope in humanity and think that God or Aliens will save us.

No doubt those subjects have been used to control society and sell certain products, push certain agenda's but what I believe is that our world is just one of many spread thought the Universe and other dimensions. My faith leads me to believe that thousands of years ago humans were much more advanced than we are and ever will be - socially, environmentally, spiritually and technologically. We're also taught to believe that life does exist in many different forms throughout the Universe (over 1300 type of life forms) and that our Gods and demi-Gods openly and freely travelled between these places via dimensional portals or large flying/floating machines. With over 1300 intelligent species spread throughout the Universe only 300 are humanoid - which means there quite possibly could be a planet somewhere with giant autonomous robotic life forms living on it lol.

Maybe the general public (or the mindless masses as I like to call them) have simply forget our true origins, maybe we're a civilisation with amnesia, instead of learning the truth they're happy to live in sweet ignorant bliss like fat dumb zombie arm chair critics.

There's another thread on this site which had a similar discussion come up and when I posted some of NASA's classified (and then leaked) shuttle footage, people claimed it was adobe after effects footage of a petri dish full of sperm or some other BS? No where has anyone been able to give any honest feedback or suggestions as to what those objects are. It's probably easy to see something and then shut your brain off and claim everything as fake or CGI rather than use your intelligence and actually think about it, or maybe it's more important to inform the public/mindless masses that there is a new line of Transformers T-Shirts and toys at K-mart than something that might actually generate a good debate or even benefit mankind.

Please friends, don't be offended if this is blunt or sounds harsh. I have a bad habit on this forum of sounding blunt, overly sarcastic and harsh at times, so please don't take offence or think this is aimed at you.

"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery - even if mixed with fear - that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds: it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity." ~ Albert Einstein.

[Flyingheart]

I see your point, it's easy enough to say things like that if you have no hope or faith in yourself, like saying people invented God and then used it as a social control mechanism and/or to simply feel less lonely... It's kinda sad to read things like that, I know how you feel. I think the human race is beyond saving, we are like a cancerous virus on this planet and towards each other, it's easy to loose hope in humanity and think that God or Aliens will save us.

No doubt those subjects have been used to control society and sell certain products, push certain agenda's but what I believe is that our world is just one of many spread thought the Universe and other dimensions. My faith leads me to believe that thousands of years ago humans were much more advanced than we are and ever will be - socially, environmentally, spiritually and technologically. We're also taught to believe that life does exist in many different forms throughout the Universe (over 1300 type of life forms) and that our Gods and demi-Gods openly and freely traveled between these places via dimensional portals or large flying/floating machines. With over 1300 intelligent species spread throughout the Universe only 300 are humanoid - which means there quite possibly could be a planet somewhere with giant autonomous robotic life forms living on it lol.

Maybe the general public (or the mindless masses as I like to call them) have simply forget our true origins, maybe we're a civilization with amnesia, instead of learning the truth they're happy to live in sweet ignorant bliss like fat dumb zombie arm chair critics.

There's another thread on this site which had a similar discussion come up and when I posted some of NASA's classified (and then leaked) shuttle footage, people claimed it was adobe after effects footage of a petri dish full of sperm or some other BS? No where has anyone been able to give any honest feedback or suggestions as to what those objects are. It's probably easy to see something and then shut your brain off and claim everything as fake or CGI rather than use your intelligence and actually think about it, or maybe it's more important to inform the public/mindless masses that there is a new line of Transformers T-Shirts and toys at K-mart than something that might actually generate a good debate or even benefit mankind.

Please friends, don't be offended if this is blunt or sounds harsh. I have a bad habit on this forum of sounding blunt, overly sarcastic and harsh at times, so please don't take offense or think this is aimed at you.

"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery - even if mixed with fear - that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds: it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity." ~ Albert Einstein.

I don't feel offended bro, i don't know if your religious or not but I'm not anyways, there are only a few churches left here and they are attracting less and less people, but since that came in the news the Christians here are trying to get people back to the church because of these harsh times were living in with this economic crisis for them its the perfect time to feed on lost/desperate feeling people that really need help and drag them back into their church and ask for donations from them while they already have no money to begin with.
But anyways i don't know if your a religious or not but i just to let you know, non-believers of god are not depressed people I'm not and i really don't have special feelings and dark depressed feelings when i say something like my last post, its just logical thinking and thats about it, so i really feel fine and pretty happy and not feeling sad or depressed alright ;D just so you know cause you were reacting to my post as if i feel like the planet is doomed and whatever lol.

But yeah that news bulletin didn't do much good for the world ***The Worlds 7th Billionth person born today!!!OMFG!!!!!!!*** that was retarded, people are making a habit out of having babies born on a specific dates and riding each other like crazy just to get kids born on dates like 11-11-11, 2000, 2001, and other BS dates, were already with to many and mother nature is releasing its wrath upon us if you haven't noticed it yet.. yes its global, nature is hitting us silently the temperature dropped for the first time here a day ago to 0°C and under i saw bee's and bumblebees work till the day before that and flowers and trees still have leafs here its crazy late and all these most important insects will die next year because they already have eaten half of their food storage because they are still working now but theres nothing to get, i fear the bee and bumblebee's are going to be extinct in a few years here its sad and not good for us here.

[Flyingheart]

Oh and that sperm thingy your talking about that was me bro bwhahaha XD just take a really hard and good look XD ;D at it theres even one sperm changing angle of 90° within a fraction of a second lol and people are saying "OMG O_O look at that UFO go! its unbelievable!" XD so funny XD that's just poor use of a SFX software lol and if you look on YouTube you will see that they have set off the function of commenting on the video so people wont read the truth about it so they can stay dumb, and the rest is really a video of earth those flashes you see is thunder above the clouds on earth you can see them in space.

Oh and those mindless masses your talking about is really true, they don't use their own knowledge and use it in their thinking process but then again they could have brains but just wont use them because they WANT TO BELIEVE in something far greater then just simple reality and you just can not change those minds cause they watch BS TV shows all day long probably and got brainwashed with the logic from these dumb TV shows and TV show presenters and news anchors.

So you really think that humand had lasers to cut through things thousands of years ago? or you mean that they were far more ahead of their time with their own technology back then?

Every invention made, created and thought of is weighed before it is brought into the world.
Imagine if the US one of the best students in the class had made a machine/missile/rocket that they could fire off into a country that could influence the weather in a really bad way and make this public for the whole class to hear and when the storm comes the whole class (the rest of the world) points their finger at the US saying "you did this!" lol that would be pretty dumb right if we all would make all inventions made public.. a great example of this is Nuclear power and everything that is involved with this, every country fears the other because it has this technology and every country that fears this wants to steal the patterns and blueprints, and this really happened.. some freakin as*hole of a Pakistani has stolen blueprints of a nuclear reactor from a Dutch Nuclear facility and brought it back home with him, he started selling this to the most unstable countries in the world and the most poorest of them all sometimes, countries that have constant wars... i have to be honest i didn't feel sorry for the Pakistanis when the floods came in their country.. there were a lot of dumb celebrities shouting on Twitter to help and donate but i REALLY dint feel like donating so i said something to them to shut them up once and for all and it worked.
But anyways i really don't think human kind was that far ahead with their technology and i really don't think that Aliens stopped us back then when we had superior technology and that Aliens defeated us and erased our minds like in MIB lol.

[Flyingheart]

I think that if we all knew what kind of inventions we already have that our heads would explode.. yes Transformers head-exploding material.

[Mr Majestic]

Whoa big reply lol, nice work buddy I agree with you on a handful of things and this is some feed back =)

I hate explaining this part to the mindless masses, but they always claim it's too big to cover up UFO/Aliens and crashed UFO technology or that the President has to know everything. What most people don't know is that there are something like 36 levels above the "Top Secret" classification and the POTUS and other World Leaders only have access to the most basic level.

Firstly, I was born into a religious family but I always felt disconnected from it all. It sounds weird but I always felt like I didn't belong in this timeline... if you get what I mean? It's like looking at the world and thinking "WTF? is this it?" or maybe like I had been here before, that maybe my soul was sick of being reborn in this reality (if you believe in reincarnation). We were raised to follow one faith, moved to another country and to help with transitioning into a new society we changed to another faith and then a few years later changed back. I've read the bible, parts of Koran and the Hindu Ramayan to help my own curiosity, I always hated how we were forced to believe in God and that one magical being watches over everything, but after seeing how fkd up the world really is I realised maybe there is no God or maybe he/she left and is never coming back. Never at these times did i feel depressed or sad, i was just a child wondering what's really out there and the urge to learn new things. Now I'm more spiritual and open to learn and discover/rediscover new things and I still follow my faith purely to aid my understanding of the Universe.

Secondly: human kind has raped and is slowly killing our home planet and now the complex life systems are breaking down causing huge natural and environmental issues. Some people see the end of the world coming like 2012 when really it's simply because we've destroyed this planet's natural ability to maintain itself. The fact is that over the last several years there has been a enormous increase in plant, insect, bird, animal and marine life species becoming extinct, the frequency and ferocity of natural events (earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes etc) unfortunately most of this has been kept from the mainstream media (like the OWS campaign). What's even more scary (and a little funny) is that part in DOTM where Laserbeak kills all the people involved in the cover up - well the same thing happened a few years ago with Micro biologist around the world, not just out right murders but strange accidents. The mainstream media did not cover it but the various scientific journals I subscribe to all published articles about it - some of which were censored, removed or limited to website only publication and not for their printed media.

Lastly: Technology - yes without a doubt, thousand of years ago inventions and monuments were made that still astound engineers, builders and researchers today (The Pyramids, Machu Pichu, various Indian temples etc), for example the sides of the great Pyramids are not flat but carefully curved, and not just a random curvature - the exact curvature of the Earth and the Teotihuacan complex in Mexico has monuments that have been built with such massive blocks and accuracy that it looks like someone was able to "mould" stone like butter and slot each piece into place - with a variance that modern day engineers still can't understand, the gap between the blocks is so slim that you can't even fit a needle in between the giant multi ton blocks. Step forward to 1940 and if you follow technology and the inventions being developed you'll see that after 1945 (after the Roswell incident) there was a sudden increase in technology spending by the military and the birth of new technologies (IC, semi conductors, Lasers and fibre optics, new metal alloys etc) leading scientist have worked out that if we follow the timeline of technological developments pre and post 1950, certain developments would not have been able to be made without help from an "outside source"

Since then, the "black budget" has steadily increased every year and over the last few years it has pulled an average of $44 Billion dollars from US Tax payers. $44 Billion is more than the medical or military spending of most other counties! Even though approx $44 billion is absorbed from tax payers money, even more money is put towards those programs from private industries, corporations and the military industrial complex. Academics and scientist have accurately predicted (by looking at black budget figures since 1950) that the average rate of technological advancement in the military industrial complex is approx 50-100 years more advanced than what we have today, they claim that for every year that the public sees technology advance, within the military industrial complex it's 44.3 years!! Look at the SR-71 (Jetfire) for example, that jet was the most advance aircraft from 1964-1998, the entire program was classified top secret and millions were spent on developing that aircraft and to this day it's still one of the coolest jets ever built.

FYI - The black budget is the governmental spending for military programs but overseen by the military industrial complex. If you were to look at the US annual budget, start at the beginning of the report and then add up each individual line entry and then compare that with the final figure you would see that approx $30-$40+ Billion dollars each year just disappears and is unaccounted for. Public and Governmental experts assume that the money goes towards the various high-tech stealth and weapons programs. End of the day we will never see 99% of that technology being used for useful and peaceful purposes. Also all Black budget programs are exempt from any national oversight or review committees. The President or Prime minister of your country might be aware of such a program but he/she will have no access to any of that information. The hierarchy of these programs is like a Russian doll in the shape of a Pyramid - The order and level of access you have to certain programs is arranged like a triangle but beneath that is a deeper level of access and programs that you will not have any idea about unless you have the specific access to that stage of the program. Everything is strictly need to know basis, don't forget there are 36 levels above top secret and the POTUS has access to only the most basic of levels.

[Mr Majestic]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejan...b_1138444.html

German Court Orders the Parliament to Release UFO Report

[Flyingheart]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejan...b_1138444.html

German Court Orders the Parliament to Release UFO Report

Nobody is going to spend time on this, and its totally not wise to share this info with the masses while were in a crisis already, w dont need a mental crisis aded to that too, some people can not handle that info sadly enough..

human kind has raped and is slowly killing our home planet and now the complex life systems are breaking down causing huge natural and environmental issues.

A report has come out recently that we're all NOT slowing down production in our countries.. so were all polluting still.. with this economic crisis.. the US and China are even producing more and polluting even more then previous years.. so this economic crisis is good for nothing, its only a bank and political crisis in my eyes now.. i thought this crisis might have come with some good things..

[Mr Majestic]

Nobody is going to spend time on this, and its totally not wise to share this info with the masses while were in a crisis already, w dont need a mental crisis aded to that too, some people can not handle that info sadly enough...

Perfect example of how people prefer to live in ignorant bliss than face the hard facts of life, the people who can't handle it usually turn to drugs and alcohol to sooth the pain.

One of my biggest hopes about declassifying this information is not to prove that Aliens exist, but to give the technology to the people - reverse engineered Alien programs have developed amazing new medical breakthroughs, advance new metals and most importantly technology that will end the need for nuclear and carbon based power systems and clean our environment. One of the most important breakthrough i know of from reverse engineering Alien technology is zero point energy power systems. It's completely clean and non polluting, here's an example of how it can work:

Take two sets of magnets, one with a positive + negative link and one with two negative or positive links (where the magnetic forces are pushing each other apart). Now if you drop them down a tube you will see that the magnets with a positive and negative connection will fall at free fall speed but the ones with dual negative or positive will fall slower because the magnetic forces will rub against "antimatter". Aliens have harnessed this technology for millions of years and when their craft were intercepted, the technology was reverse engineered. What the military industrial complex now has is a device the size of a loaf of bread that absorbs this invisible energy and it can be used to power their craft, it has an output that could power a small city for a week.

[Flyingheart]

Perfect example of how people prefer to live in ignorant bliss than face the hard facts of life, the people who can't handle it usually turn to drugs and alcohol to sooth the pain.

One of my biggest hopes about declassifying this information is not to prove that Aliens exist, but to give the technology to the people - reverse engineered Alien programs have developed amazing new medical breakthroughs, advance new metals and most importantly technology that will end the need for nuclear and carbon based power systems and clean our environment. One of the most important breakthrough i know of from reverse engineering Alien technology is zero point energy power systems. It's completely clean and non polluting, here's an example of how it can work:

Take two sets of magnets, one with a positive + negative link and one with two negative or positive links (where the magnetic forces are pushing each other apart). Now if you drop them down a tube you will see that the magnets with a positive and negative connection will fall at free fall speed but the ones with dual negative or positive will fall slower because the magnetic forces will rub against "antimatter". Aliens have harnessed this technology for millions of years and when their craft were intercepted, the technology was reverse engineered. What the military industrial complex now has is a device the size of a loaf of bread that absorbs this invisible energy and it can be used to power their craft, it has an output that could power a small city for a week.

Yeah i know.
There are people saying that these aliens are us in the future, it's hard to imagine this but if time traveling exists this is not such a weird idea after all.. but who knows right?
But if so.. then reverse engineering is not the way to go, people can not just copy unknown technologies from alien life form, its needed to be understood like these guys are doing here..

Of course magnets are not new, and we all know that we can make a rail gun out of this and this is just a stupid way to spend money but yeah this is what i was saying in previous posts on the forum, these UFO's are likely to be our own instruments and yeah you might call me crazy but if it's true then again that idea of aliens being us and time traveling will be a reality, and these crashed from UFO's on earth during WWI and WWII will probably be our own or from another planet with life and then the idea will not be a reality after all, sorry if I'm being to cryptic about it its a lot of material and there are so many complex things its all to much really.. but yeah I'm fine with them releasing the info, it will clear things up once and for all and thats good for everyone around the world, but i do expect people to create a new retarded religion to get profit from dumb people who follow them.. and if this is going to take over the world then i hope aliens will invade and finish us all off.

It's going to be like this lol: http://www.luckymedia.nl/luckytv/2011/12/kepler-22b/
Aliens: Destroy them all!

[Mr Majestic]

One thing's for sure: full and open disclosure will completely overthrow various religions, politics and the scientific community. Do people really think that with the Universe being so enormous and vast (and still expanding), that we are the only planet with intelligent life? I wouldn't even consider most humans on this planet as intelligent, thoughtful and peaceful in any way, shape or form.

[alexsm]

Time traveling (to the past) won't ever happen. The fact that there are no time travelers among us pretty much proves it.

And if there were time travelers around us, we would notice it. Some people even offer huge amounts of money to anyone able to prove he is a time traveler, and no one has been able to prove it LoL

[alexsm]

Railguns (and coilguns) are extremely simple things. Anyone can make their own (a little one) at home if they want.

And lets clear that "UFO report" doesn't necessary mean Aliens. An UFO is an UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object, so any unidentified flying object (such as civilians seeing or detecting an F117 during the time it was being developed/tested or during any secret mission) will be classified as an UFO.

[Mr Majestic]

That is also correct but what about the 5-10% of those high level reports and sightings that clearly describe unknown craft of various sizes (some known to be larger than 2 aircraft carriers), moving at speeds that even our latest NASA experimental scramjet UAV's can't keep up with and performing maneuvers that no man made aircraft can attempt with out catastrophic consequences (high speed right hand turns, zig zag maneuvers, moving back and forth along an axis at high speeds), morphing, merging and/or separating in to smaller objects, objects landing and leaving trace evidence, objects following other vehicles and effecting their electronic systems (EMP interfering or knocking out cars, trucks, trains, planes, jets and even boats mechanical and or navigational systems) and lastly entering or leaving the Earths atmosphere at high speeds?

[alexsm]

Most of them are just optical illusions and interferences.

An object moving "in a normal way" in a 3D environment, but far from the observer, can look like it's moving in a surreal way in the 2D projection our eyes (or cameras) sees in the long distance. Different concentrations of gases in the air can make it look like there's a bubble (or any other shape) of a different color (due to light scattering). Etc...

Occam's razor pretty much eliminates all of them.

And also an object larger tan two aircraft carriers (that's around half a mile) can't be hidden, and it's maneuvers would have catastrophic consequences in it's surroundings. The mass of air that kind of thing would be moving is HUGE, it will cause extreme turbulences and it's effects would be very noticeable. It's like trying to keep in secret that a skyscraper collapsed in your city.

[Mr Majestic]

:lame

umm that's exactly what i was saying, of all the official reports 90-95% of them can be explained as optical illusions, natural phenomena, Stealth or prototype aircraft etc. the remaining 5-10% have been proven to be solid, constructed aircraft of unknown origin. The 5-10% that are truly unexplained are generally reported from high level sources - military servicemen/women, commercial pilots, police etc - people who are trained observers and have evidence, not just their eye witness testimonies.

[chatterbox]

That is also correct but what about the 5-10% of those high level reports and sightings that clearly describe unknown craft of various sizes (some known to be larger than 2 aircraft carriers), moving at speeds that even our latest NASA experimental scramjet UAV's can't keep up with and performing maneuvers that no man made aircraft can attempt with out catastrophic consequences (high speed right hand turns, zig zag maneuvers, moving back and forth along an axis at high speeds), morphing, merging and/or separating in to smaller objects, objects landing and leaving trace evidence, objects following other vehicles and effecting their electronic systems (EMP interfering or knocking out cars, trucks, trains, planes, jets and even boats mechanical and or navigational systems) and lastly entering or leaving the Earths atmosphere at high speeds?

have you seen that Japanese invention the little black ball that floats and does all sorts of things mid flight? If you can enlarge that to a big spaceship....... anti gravity.........

[alexsm]

I've never seen any report of any solid evidence from a reliable source.

[elektra_maniel]

Did we evolve from advanced apes or devolved angels?
And here's the story we're all accustomed to hearing.
Did the chicken come first OR the egg come first?

Who's to know.........
Firstly, the arrogance of men to think we're the only intelligent person in so many planets and who knows how many galaxy..........

Of course there's aliens..........let's just be glad.......they may not be around in our lifetime..........or maybe......who knows.........
They're not threatening the Earth.......We are........

Instead of arguing about things that we can't fix................BE REAL.
Try to fix the things we can...........this planet namely............
So many hurricanes and earthquakes...........wonder what we're doing to our own planet...........
Let's just try and leave more to our future..........our kids.....and grandkids............
Cause I seriously doubt most of us will see any aliens in our lifetime.........