iPhone 4S, Siri...

[nelson]

I boycott Apple cause I hate the way they practice their business. I don't hate on individuals. The best I can do to NOT support Apple, is to not own any Apple products.

I don't take the side of Android, Windows, QNX or Sambian or W/e.... whichever product can get my job done in the most freely way possible, that's what I go for...Ironically, it's been Android and their Open Source platform.

just like evergamer said, if I'm going to pay big bucks for a phone, or handcuff myself for a 3 year term to get top of the line phone, I want to be able to customize it exactly to my liking.

I assume you have a cell phone and a computer, right? How are the business practices of the companies whose products you bought any different than Apple?

[evergamer]

So pointing out the truth is dickish to you? I'm John Holmes then.

Android is bound to have a higher market share because of their combined sales of a gazillion phones, but not one single Android phone has sold more than the iPhone.

What’s interesting here is just how different a game Apple is playing than every other company in the racket. The company with a majority share of the industry’s PROFITS makes just one phone per year — and the gap between the 4 and 4S was 16 months — and yet their model that debuted in June 2009 remained the second-best-selling handset in the country as late as last month.

Sniper rifle versus a bunch of guys running around with shotguns.

"There is nothing smart about Android" is not pointing out the truth, Nelson. It's you arguing like most Apple people argue. Using hyperbolic statements based purely on opinion. From my experience, Android devices can do anything iOS can do. I cannot fathom how you could possibly argue that.

And are you referring to my post when you talk about market share? I didn't say anything about android/ios market share because it's a pointless comparison. Android is so fragmented(it's one major flaw IMO) there is no way to compare. It's the same as the PC/Mac argument.

[megatron42]

it's the person's choice if the like apple or pc simple.. me i like pc

[nelson]

"There is nothing smart about Android" is not pointing out the truth, Nelson. It's you arguing like most Apple people argue. Using hyperbolic statements based purely on opinion. From my experience, Android devices can do anything iOS can do. I cannot fathom how you could possibly argue that.

That's where the point passes you without you knowing. There are other phones that have better tech specs and do much more than the iPhone. But the iPhone provides a total experience which no other phone can provide or does not know how to.

Here’s an image from the January 2007 Macworld Expo keynote, where Jobs unveiled the original iPhone.



Those really were the leading smartphones of the day. Four years later and no company is making phones that look or function like those, save for RIM, and RIM is circling the toilet.

Do you ever ask yourself why?

[Mr Majestic]

There are other phones that have better tech specs and do much more than the iPhone. But the iPhone provides a total experience which no other phone can provide or does not know how to.

Sorry, I completely disagree with you there buddy.

My friend has the 4S, we put it through a few test's this weekend and were surprised to see it fail in a few areas. We asked it the exact same questions seen in the current 4S adverts on TV and half the time the voice recognition threw in words we never even said. The current 4S are are so misleading!

[r-type]

Anecdotal evidence aside, yet again:

It does what it says on the box.

[evergamer]

That's where the point passes you without you knowing. There are other phones that have better tech specs and do much more than the iPhone. But the iPhone provides a total experience which no other phone can provide or does not know how to.

What? What point? The total experience thing?

How's this for total experience:

Friday I drove my wife to her last clinical rotation in Cheyenne. My favorite Sirius channels were playing crap so instead I streamed music from Google Music. When we got there, I dropped her off and wanted some coffee so I used google maps to find the nearest Starbucks and navigate to it. Coffee in hand, I went to my usual stores to search for TF toys. While in Ross I found a deluxe Wreck-Gar. I wasn't sure how much they went for on Amazon so I pulled out my phone, scanned the barcode, and found that I was getting it for much cheaper than I could online. After purchasing, I opened the amazon app and removed it from my wishlist. I had about 2 hours to kill, so I did another google search for toy retailers in Cheyenne and hit a few more places.

After that, I sill had about an hour to kill, so i drove back to the school and watched a few of my youtube subscription's new videos, and an episode of TF:Prime. My wife came out of school and we wanted lunch, but were both tired of our usual places so we used Yelp to find a new place to eat. On the drive back home, my wife streamed a video of a procedure to make sure she did it right.

Later that night, I was looking for an easy Brisket recipe. When I found it, I clicked my 'Chrome to Phone' button and had it on my Droid instantly.

I could go on, but i'm bored of typing this. Now unless my understanding of 'total experience' is different than yours, your 'total experience' claim is seriously misinformed.

Here’s an image from the January 2007 Macworld Expo keynote, where Jobs unveiled the original iPhone.

Those really were the leading smartphones of the day. Four years later and no company is making phones that look or function like those, save for RIM, and RIM is circling the toilet.

Do you ever ask yourself why?

Again, what? What does this have to do with the debate? And to answer the question, No, I never think of why. I know where you're going with that question too, and I won't deny that Apple had a huge part in phone innovation.

[Ed Fuego]

Everyone is going to be able to find anecdotal evidence that supports the position. The question is what evidence exists beyond anecdotal, evidence that can be generalized to a large population.

My conclusion is that Android gives users the ability to modify their experience more than iOS, which is great for many of the more technical users, but iOS has a better end-to-end user experience, which is better for most non-technical users and those who don't care about that kind of thing.

Like me. I can buy movies, books, music, apps, from my phone, all from one place, all very easily. Play them on my computer, my iPad, my tv, all very easily. I like that. I can do everything I want to do with my iPhone, and with the lack of "openness", I think it is pretty well documented that it makes for a more secure, stable, consistent user experience than Android.

But I have friends who like the flexibility afforded by Android. Great. Have at it. More power to them. I don't begrudge them. They don't begrudge me. And at the end of the day, it's a phone.

Of course, I do tend to think that those who use iOS have more appreciation of good design, usability, and ergonomics.

Ed Fuego

[TIMtationX]

My conclusion is that Android gives users the ability to modify their experience more than iOS, which is great for many of the more technical users, but iOS has a better end-to-end user experience, which is better for most non-technical users and those who don't care about that kind of thing.

Like me. I can buy movies, books, music, apps, from my phone, all from one place, all very easily. Play them on my computer, my iPad, my tv, all very easily. I like that. I can do everything I want to do with my iPhone, and with the lack of "openness", I think it is pretty well documented that it makes for a more secure, stable, consistent user experience than Android.


Ed Fuego

Yeah, but can it run Crysis?

[jamjam101]

I assume you have a cell phone and a computer, right? How are the business practices of the companies whose products you bought any different than Apple?

Marginal changes on a yearly basis. And I'm not denying that other companies don't do that. Also, Apple seems to be dickish towards everyone else. They are going around suing companies for a retarded amount of 'patent infringement' claims such as towards Samsung, yet Sammy has a deal to make their chips for them. Not only do they sue to get paid, but they sue to get the products banned from selling! Like, cumon! How many phones out there that look like BB, they never sued anyone for having a full Querty keyboard!

And let me quote myself again..

I don't take the side of Android, Windows, QNX or Sambian or W/e.... whichever product can get my job done in the most freely way possible, that's what I go for...Ironically, it's been Android and their Open Source platform.

Maybe when my phone breaks I will go for Windows phone...who knows?

[Ed Fuego]

Yeah, but can it run Crysis?

I have no idea. Of course, I also have no idea what Crysis... is. So from my perspective, in my day to day life and work, it's not that important to me. It probably is important to some people, and in that case, an iPhone is not for them (I assume your question was somewhat rhetorical).

I think that's another point to be made. Too many people become completely indignant when a particular device doesn't do exactly and everything they want. They slam the device because, "It doesn't do X and that's critical to me so because it doesn't do X it sucks donkey balls." Nooooooo... It just means that the device is not for you.

Ed Fuego

[Ed Fuego]

Marginal changes on a yearly basis. And I'm not denying that other companies don't do that. Also, Apple seems to be dickish towards everyone else. They are going around suing companies for a retarded amount of 'patent infringement' claims such as towards Samsung, yet Sammy has a deal to make their chips for them.

To be fair, all the companies are pretty much suing everyone over patents nowadays. I mean, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if a company was suing itself.

Ed Fuego

[Trailbreaker]

God DAMN that Retina Display is gorgeous!!!

[TIMtationX]

I have no idea. Of course, I also have no idea what Crysis... is. So from my perspective, in my day to day life and work, it's not that important to me. It probably is important to some people, and in that case, an iPhone is not for them (I assume your question was somewhat rhetorical).

I think that's another point to be made. Too many people become completely indignant when a particular device doesn't do exactly and everything they want. They slam the device because, "It doesn't do X and that's critical to me so because it doesn't do X it sucks donkey balls." Nooooooo... It just means that the device is not for you.

Ed Fuego

"Yeah, but can it run Crysis" is a running gag about the PC game Crysis, a game so graphically intense that like 90% of PCs couldn't run it when it was released a few years ago. When somebody is talking about how great something is, that line gets thrown out there as a joke......Long story short, i was trying to be funny, but i guess i failed.

[Ed Fuego]

"Yeah, but can it run Crysis" is a running gag about the PC game Crysis, a game so graphically intense that like 90% of PCs couldn't run it when it was released a few years ago. When somebody is talking about how great something is, that line gets thrown out there as a joke......Long story short, i was trying to be funny, but i guess i failed.

No, you didn't fail. I'm just out of the loop on such things, haha. Now that I know what it is, yeah, that's a good line.

Ed Fuego

[Trailbreaker]

When somebody is talking about how great something is, that line gets thrown out there as a joke......

Does it even get used for the most unlikely situations, like say...

"F*ck yeah, I absolutely love my new Porsche 911 Carrera."

"But can it run Crysis?"

[Mr Majestic]

Can the iPhone 4S run games built with the Unreal tournament graphics engine in high resolution? All the new dual core Android phones can... just saying

[Trailbreaker]

Can the iPhone 4S run games built with the Unreal tournament graphics engine in high resolution? All the new dual core Android phones can... just saying

Yes. In fact, they demoed Infinity Blade 2 (powered by Unreal Engine 3) during the iPhone 4S keynote.



Oh, and the the iPhone 4 already has been running Unreal, too.



Just saying.

[Trailbreaker]

And I beg to question, Majestic. Why did you ask that here while you could have easily looked up the answer yourself?

How did I find the videos above? I went to YouTube and typed "iphone unreal engine." Boom, results. And there's plenty more where that came from.

Try something harder, please.

[Mr Majestic]

And I beg to question, Majestic. Why did you ask that here while you could have easily looked up the answer yourself?

How did I find the videos above? I went to YouTube and typed "iphone unreal engine." Boom, results. And there's plenty more where that came from.

Try something harder, please.

Because I have better things to do than research iPhone 4S specifications and features. Like i said before, I use Apple creative media software products (Logic Pro, Final Cut etc) and their high end laptops and the G5 tower but when it comes to tablet PC's and smart phones I'll stay well away from Apple.

[Trailbreaker]

Because I have better things to do than research iPhone 4S specifications and features. Like i said before, I use Apple creative media software products (Logic Pro, Final Cut etc) and their high end laptops and the G5 tower but when it comes to tablet PC's and smart phones I'll stay well away from Apple.

And yet you take all of your time to create this perpetual argument against the iOS in this thread. It only took 20 friggen' seconds for me to look that shit up. Stop making excuses.

[evergamer]

Everyone is going to be able to find anecdotal evidence that supports the position. The question is what evidence exists beyond anecdotal, evidence that can be generalized to a large population.

Nothing. No claim, video, survey, NOTHING provides a clearer description of a devices functionality than an end user's account of the experience. Anything released by a company that will profit by the sales of their device is nothing more than promotional material.

My conclusion is that Android gives users the ability to modify their experience more than iOS, which is great for many of the more technical users, but iOS has a better end-to-end user experience, which is better for most non-technical users and those who don't care about that kind of thing.

I disagree with the end-to-end statement, but that is a matter of opinion. Everything else though I agree with.

Like me. I can buy movies, books, music, apps, from my phone, all from one place, all very easily. Play them on my computer, my iPad, my tv, all very easily. I like that. I can do everything I want to do with my iPhone, and with the lack of "openness", I think it is pretty well documented that it makes for a more secure, stable, consistent user experience than Android.

Yea, that is a great feature. It's very obvious that Google is heading the same direction. My only hope is that they never have software like iTunes. I really, really dislike iTunes.

I haven't seen any negative documentation on Android's security, or stability. The user experience though, again, comes down to personal preference.

But I have friends who like the flexibility afforded by Android. Great. Have at it. More power to them. I don't begrudge them. They don't begrudge me. And at the end of the day, it's a phone.

Of course, I do tend to think that those who use iOS have more appreciation of good design, usability, and ergonomics.

Ed Fuego

Yep. It's just a phone. Which is exactly why I don't get the hate(on both sides). But then I read something like your last sentence and I know why.

[evergamer]

Oh and maybe Nelson/Sora can split this thread? I didn't start the derailment, but I contributed to it, and i'm sure Trailbreaker didn't start an iPhone thread just to have the Android nerds talk it down.

[Mr Majestic]

I just got back from a friends place and half of the people there had iPhones. We downloaded some music and video clips and the iPhone noobs all wanted a copy of the files...

My biggest argument now against iPhone/itunes is the fact that people can't freely swap music and movies without syncing their iPhones to their laptops and having to jump over various hurdles only to discover that iPhone users can't transfer music and movies freely between devices. F*#k you Apple! Go suck a f$&k!

Some iPhone noobs had that "bump/tap/file swap app" but it only works on contacts and some other BS, after 1 hour of trying none of the iPhone user were able to swap/transfer music & movies/music video clip files between each other with our authorizing their devices with that laptop and it's the latest version of iTunes. (which meant there was a risk of swapping too much information - contacts, private photo's and video's etc)

As of now I will try to avoid this thread, you iPhone users can endorse iPhone and Siri until our troops come home but in the end your argument is invalid.

On the bright side i converted 2 iPhone users to Android mwahahahahahahahaha!

[r-type]

I don't blame you, I'd start to avoid a thread too if I've run out of anecdotes and logic fallacies to shift around to as well....

Now you just sound like you're trying too hard.