iPhone 4S, Siri...

[r-type]

Apple can change the slightest thing year after year on their products and people will shell out their money and buy it. Hey, even I fell for it for a while when I got the 3G then a few months later wanted the 3GS. Then common sense hit me. Why change what's working fine?

See Apple is smart. They can release a product that has almost everything...(most smart phones now days do- Mini HDMI, microSD, micro USB, replaceable batteries, changeable skins, mod able OS). But they don't so that they can add a slight difference and call it a new product. Therefore more phones, pads and mp3 players go out in the market. They can clearly come out with a product that will blow everything in the market away but they won't. They do it incrementally.

I think the moral of the story has been established that that type of staggered release model is not exclusive to one company, and is more reflective on a consumer type, again, not exclusive to a particular company either.

Look at PS3 vs. 360. Let' forget the game vs. game and who has better titles, cause I really don't care. From a hardware standpoint, when the PS3 came out in 06, it came with features that were future proof - Bluray, HDMI, bluetooth. The HDMI alone was something Sony foresaw as being a standard in 1080P AND it can output lossless audio AND to this date, launch consoles can output 3D through the same HDMI outputs.

360 on the other hand didn't have any of that. They will never support bluray, but that's another story. My point is, Sony invested a lot of technology on one product that was almost $1K when it was released at launch. Now 5 years later it costs LESS than one of the 360 versions. Sony I think JUST started making profit out of their consoles.

Either Microsoft didn't think that far ahead when designing the 360...or they did, but said fuck it, let's rush this even though it over heats because we will just rerelease this a few more times and people will want to buy it because everyone will have HD tv's and sound systems so they NEEEED HDMI.

I would expect no less from a company who's strong suit is hardware (Sony), and conversely, not surprised when the other company's is software (MS).

It's all about global market share for corporations. PS3 is outselling 360 3:1 in Canada, and Android is outselling iPhone 5:1 in Canada. I know this cause I worked at Best Buy.

Are we talking phones? Because one doesn't need to work at Best Buy to surmise that it's probable that one product running one OS, will be outsold by XXnumber of models running the other OS. I'd also like to point out that you said Android (the OS), vs. iPhone (the device), and not (Android powered device) vs. iPhone.... just saying.

[Mr Majestic]

"Adobe halting Flash for mobile devices, a final vindication for Steve Jobs."

http://www.news.com.au/technology/smartphones/adobe-halting-flash-for-mobile-devices-a-final-vindication-for-steve-jobs/story-fn6vihic-1226190805277

Regardless of that, I still prefer Android when it comes to smart phones.

[jamjam101]

"Adobe halting Flash for mobile devices, a final vindication for Steve Jobs."

http://www.news.com.au/technology/smartphones/adobe-halting-flash-for-mobile-devices-a-final-vindication-for-steve-jobs/story-fn6vihic-1226190805277

Regardless of that, I still prefer Android when it comes to smart phones.

Anyone who knows anything about web coding, knows that HTML5 is much superior than Flash. It was just a matter of time before it had to be let go from mobile devices.

I went to Android from Apple and I don't think I'd ever go back. I boycott Apple & Facebook to name a couple.

[nelson]

"Adobe halting Flash for mobile devices, a final vindication for Steve Jobs."

http://www.news.com.au/technology/smartphones/adobe-halting-flash-for-mobile-devices-a-final-vindication-for-steve-jobs/story-fn6vihic-1226190805277

Regardless of that, I still prefer Android when it comes to smart phones.

There is nothing smart about Android phones. Did you see the Android phones before the iPhone came out? They just copied Apple once Apple came out with their phone, and did a hacked job.

http://news.cnet.com/2300-1037_3-6230132.html

[TIMtationX]

There is nothing smart about Android phones. Did you see the Android phones before the iPhone came out? They just copied Apple once Apple came out with their phone, and did a hacked job.

http://news.cnet.com/2300-1037_3-6230132.html

I'm more of an Android guy, but you're right. Apple was blatantly copied.

[jamjam101]

There is nothing smart about Android phones. Did you see the Android phones before the iPhone came out? They just copied Apple once Apple came out with their phone, and did a hacked job.

http://news.cnet.com/2300-1037_3-6230132.html

And when Apple stole from Xerox? Funny how you say Android did a hacked job once iPhone came out. iOS5 JUST got the pull down tab that Android had for a few years.

[nelson]

And when Apple stole from Xerox? Funny how you say Android did a hacked job once iPhone came out. iOS5 JUST got the pull down tab that Android had for a few years.

Read: Xerox PARC, Apple, and the truth about innovation.

[Flyingheart]

The iPhone 4S is my first iPhone ever and i love it so far, to bad theres no flash but there are sites that redirect you to other version where you can watch videos so theres really no problem but sure there are some functions you can not do on an iPhone that you just want to have and you'll have to get behind your PC for that but other then that great gadget and great phone!

• crisp clear sound when on phone and watching videos/movies and listening to music
• great colorful big screen, really detailed
• great camera
• lays in my hand well
• typing goes ok, still need to practice some more
• detailed contacts which is great
• all standard apps are great that come with the device
• easy internet connection
• etc.

Oh and it sucks that i can not get the Daily Show and Colbert Report app -_- but they are advertising that it's on Comedy central here but i haven't sen it =/ weird.. and my TV guide app doesn't tell me when its on =/ freakin weird.. -_- guess I'll have to get behind the PC for that..

I did learn some new things with apps, things that are near my location, things i did not know about O_o lol XD but its cool they are pretty far away anyways :P

But love the Iphone so far its handy you can watch TV on the toilet which feels weird, and which I'm not gonna do anymore lol, but overall I'm happy with my purchase
I do have to activate the 3G service and i don't know how but i'll go to the store soon anyways..

Of course i'm saying the iPhone is great cause i came from a lame Sony Ericson Walkman lol (the black one)

[evergamer]

There is nothing smart about Android phones.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm, seriousness, or just plain trolling.

I'm a die-hard Android follower, but even I can say the iPhone is a great device. The problem's I have with it are mainly iTunes, and Apple as a company. Hardware wise, and iOS, it's a fantastic device.

Why do Apple people so vehemently hate on Android? They are all about just shutting down their competition, and talking trash. I don't get it.

And the 'XXXX stole XXXX from XXXX' argument is so stale it needs to be tossed in the trash. It's like saying Sony stole from Sharp because both their TV's have LCD's. Seriously, how else could a phone OS look? Like windows? With their 1.5% market share?

Ugh.

[Ed Fuego]

I can't tell if this is sarcasm, seriousness, or just plain trolling.

I'm a die-hard Android follower, but even I can say the iPhone is a great device. The problem's I have with it are mainly iTunes, and Apple as a company. Hardware wise, and iOS, it's a fantastic device.

Why do Apple people so vehemently hate on Android? They are all about just shutting down their competition, and talking trash. I don't get it.

And the 'XXXX stole XXXX from XXXX' argument is so stale it needs to be tossed in the trash. It's like saying Sony stole from Sharp because both their TV's have LCD's. Seriously, how else could a phone OS look? Like windows? With their 1.5% market share?

Ugh.

Why do so many android users hate on apple people? All they seem do is scream and yell about "open" and how much better it is. Meanwhile I'm perfectly happy getting shit done on my iPhone. Open, closed, doesn't matter to me. What matters is getting shit done. However you do it.

The point is there is hate on both sides.

Ed Fuego

[Regressor]

Why do so many android users hate on apple people? All they seem do is scream and yell about "open" and how much better it is. Meanwhile I'm perfectly happy getting shit done on my iPhone. Open, closed, doesn't matter to me. What matters is getting shit done. However you do it.

The point is there is hate on both sides.

Ed Fuego

Just because you can get some shit done on an ipnone doens't mean it's not better to have some more functionality out there. Jusr saying. Like for instance the ability to copy and paste text, which correct me if I'm wrong, but the earliest iphones didn't have.

[r-type]

Just because you can get some shit done on an ipnone doens't mean it's not better to have some more functionality out there. Jusr saying. Like for instance the ability to copy and paste text, which correct me if I'm wrong, but the earliest iphones didn't have.

I think the point was, while Ed might zig from point A to point B, you may zag.

Why do Apple people so vehemently hate on Android? They are all about just shutting down their competition, and talking trash. I don't get it.

Simply going from this thread alone, it's ironic that it's quite the opposite in this instance, given that this iPhone-centric thread wasn't even an X vs. X (or even an anti-Android) thread until someone decided to "...but, but Android this, iPhone zombies that". Sue pro-Apple guys for being defensive at that point? *shrugs*

[Mr Majestic]

I love Apple products, their OS, all-in-one PC's, high end towers, Laptops and creative media programs BUT that iPhone :head... What really grinds my gears is iPhone fans acting like it's the second coming of Jebus Rice. Apple have the best marketing team in the world and due to the size of the company they have amassed a huge fortune and can easily buy other peoples idea's, concepts and developments and then redevelop them before releasing to the public. iPad for example - tablet had been out for years but most companies didn't have the innovation and funding behind them to completely run with an idea. Each product had to evolve in slow calculated steps. Apple once again to an existing product and redeveloped it, produced them at the lowest cost available, marketed it well and made tons of cash from it.

And then came the 4S... they could have made and released the iPhone 5 just like they could have used a Mac book as the template to work off for the iPad but no! Why give the public what they want, when you can make a ton of money but selling them something they already have but simply tweak a few things. Genius! and for that I applaud Apple making tons of cash but selling the mindless masses "smart phones"

Google is the new kid on the block when is comes to a good, stable and safe mobile OS and apps, that's why Android has blown the iPhone out of the water.

[Ed Fuego]

I love Apple products, their OS, all-in-one PC's, high end towers, Laptops and creative media programs BUT that iPhone :head... What really grinds my gears is iPhone fans acting like it's the second coming of Jebus Rice. Apple have the best marketing team in the world and due to the size of the company they have amassed a huge fortune and can easily buy other peoples idea's, concepts and developments and then redevelop them before releasing to the public. iPad for example - tablet had been out for years but most companies didn't have the innovation and funding behind them to completely run with an idea. Each product had to evolve in slow calculated steps. Apple once again to an existing product and redeveloped it, produced them at the lowest cost available, marketed it well and made tons of cash from it.

And then came the 4S... they could have made and released the iPhone 5 just like they could have used a Mac book as the template to work off for the iPad but no! Why give the public what they want, when you can make a ton of money but selling them something they already have but simply tweak a few things. Genius! and for that I applaud Apple making tons of cash but selling the mindless masses "smart phones"

Google is the new kid on the block when is comes to a good, stable and safe mobile OS and apps, that's why Android has blown the iPhone out of the water.

Ok.

First, the public is buying the iPhone 4S in droves, so they couldn't have been that distraught that it wasn't an iPhone 5. And since they went from the 3G to the 3GS at one point, I don't think it really came as much of shock to most people who don't read rumor sites like they are the New York Times that going from the 4 to the 4S was a strong possibility.

Second, why "smart phones"? The iPhone doesn't count?

And again, why, why, why, why, why are people who buy iPhones the "mindless masses"? Are those who buy Android phones the "Enlightened ones"? And by your next statement, the "masses" apparently buy Android phones. But...

How do you measure "blown out of the water"? In the 3rd quarter of this year, the best selling smart phone on the planet was the iPhone 4. The second best? The iPhone 3GS. And Apple got 52% of the smart phone profits, more than all the android companies combined. So unless you mean an shipment of iPhones on a cargo ship to the US was destroyed by a robot, I'm a little confused as to what evidence you have to back up that claim.

Ed Fuego

[Flyingheart]

For those who want to buy a Iphone 4S just because of SIRI please check the languages SIRI can talk cause they are still working on most languages and some are expected to come out 2012 or 13 even.. like my language.. -_-

[Mr Majestic]

LMAO! Epic fail on Apples part… I bet they’ll probably sell those language packs as apps and not a free upgrade.


And to reply to your comments Ed:


Just because several thousand people bought it doesn't justify it as the best device on the market, it just means the company producing it is dong what it was designed to do, generate profit for their shareholders. Instead of taking huge leaps and bounds with their devices as they initially did, they released a handful of core upgrades but still kept out certain feature to make money off them at a later stage.


The reason I call "them" the mindless masses is because most people choose to flock, follow, buy and believe everything they see and hear from the media and advertising (one example is the blatant control over the media reports and the truth about 9/11 - 90% of the public still have no idea what a black flag operation is, they choose not to read the independent reports and still think some towelhead in a cave orchestrated the attack). It's not a Apple VS Android thing, it's just the truth about consumers and people who follow everything they see, read and hear from the major media outlets instead of being free and independent.


Smart phone is what we (Southern Hemisphere/Asia-pacific region) call mobile devices with camera and internet features, yes the iPhone is a smartphone.




As for market share:
CNN, August 2nd, 2011

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/08/02/android.smartphone.market.mashable/index.html


Daily Tech, September 28, 2011

http://www.dailytech.com/Android+Mar...ticle22852.htm




”Now, don't get me wrong: The iPhone 4S will be a nice upgrade for current iPhone owners, and many of them will undoubtedly rush out to buy it. The problem, though, is an even more extreme version of what I've observed in the past: Most of Apple's new iPhone features feel like the company playing catch-up. Once again, the new iPhone is a step forward within Apple's world -- but outside of that walled garden, it's worlds behind.”

[Trailbreaker]

LMAO! Epic fail on Apples part… I bet they’ll probably sell those language packs as apps and not a free upgrade.

You think so? Because I can totally get them for free on OS X.

[Ed Fuego]

LMAO! Epic fail on Apples part… I bet they’ll probably sell those language packs as apps and not a free upgrade.


And to reply to your comments Ed:


Just because several thousand people bought it doesn't justify it as the best device on the market, it just means the company producing it is dong what it was designed to do, generate profit for their shareholders. Instead of taking huge leaps and bounds with their devices as they initially did, they released a handful of core upgrades but still kept out certain feature to make money off them at a later stage.


The reason I call "them" the mindless masses is because most people choose to flock, follow, buy and believe everything they see and hear from the media and advertising (one example is the blatant control over the media reports and the truth about 9/11 - 90% of the public still have no idea what a black flag operation is, they choose not to read the independent reports and still think some towelhead in a cave orchestrated the attack). It's not a Apple VS Android thing, it's just the truth about consumers and people who follow everything they see, read and hear from the major media outlets instead of being free and independent.


Smart phone is what we (Southern Hemisphere/Asia-pacific region) call mobile devices with camera and internet features, yes the iPhone is a smartphone.




As for market share:
CNN, August 2nd, 2011

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/08/02/android.smartphone.market.mashable/index.html


Daily Tech, September 28, 2011

http://www.dailytech.com/Android+Mar...ticle22852.htm




”Now, don't get me wrong: The iPhone 4S will be a nice upgrade for current iPhone owners, and many of them will undoubtedly rush out to buy it. The problem, though, is an even more extreme version of what I've observed in the past: Most of Apple's new iPhone features feel like the company playing catch-up. Once again, the new iPhone is a step forward within Apple's world -- but outside of that walled garden, it's worlds behind.”

OK I'm just going to skip over the 9/11 thing other than to say if you're going where I think you're going then I think you are way off base on that one.

As for the consumers who follow everything they see, hear, etc. and therefore aren't free and independent, buying an iPhone is not indicative of that. Neither is buying an Android phone. Owning a certain product and being free and independent are, well, independent. You can be both. And I have yet to see any evidence from you linking people who buy a certain type of phone with mindless drones. Buying a certain phone doesn't make you a mindless drone; being a mindless drone makes you a mindless drone.

And you are right about overall market share with Android. It's higher as a platform. But to use your argument, having the most market share doesn't make it the best platform on the market.

I was trying to refute your argument that Android is crushing the iPhone. It's not, when measured by either phones sold by the individual companies or profit margin.

I guess my point is this: I don't accept your argument that the iPhone is successful because people buy into their marketing but Android is successful because free thinking independent people realize it's "superiority" and buy it. That's ridiculous. I have nothing against Android, and I hope people who own those phones are happy with them. I'm happy with my iPhone. But I would never go out of my way to criticize the Android platform; if this thread is any indication, people will go out of there way to criticize the iPhone.

Ed Fuego

[evergamer]

Why do so many android users hate on apple people? All they seem do is scream and yell about "open" and how much better it is. Meanwhile I'm perfectly happy getting shit done on my iPhone. Open, closed, doesn't matter to me. What matters is getting shit done. However you do it.

The point is there is hate on both sides.

Ed Fuego

For me, it's because so many apple users just flat out deny there is any value in the competition, and immediately dismiss anything without an Apple logo on it. Also, comments like nelson's are just dickish. It's that Apple bravado that so many Apple users display that bothers me. My father-in-law got an iPad for xmas last year and now he's gone full Apple, and looks down on my Tech choice. I don't hate on Apple people until they hate on me.

Open source is better for the people who want it. Sorry, but you can't argue that. Custom ROM's, UI's, apps, etc, all because of the Android open source project. For the people who DON'T care about that stuff, well, obviously there's no argue point. Personally, I love it. I've used many ROMS on my Droid, and will continue to do so. Without open source that wouldn't be possible. I like being able to customize the hardware I pay good money for.

The long and short of the apple/android debate is that people will pick the device that suits their needs. I'll continue to use my wonderful Android devices for fun, work, gaming, etc. This whole conversation is a fucking joke, and I can't believe I got sucked into this subject. It's as dumb as console debates.

[Mr Majestic]

I completely agree with you Evergamer, I once read a quote on the web that went a little something like this:

"Winning an argument on the internet is like winning at the special Olympics. You may think you're special, but you're really just a retard"

[Flyingheart]

I accidentally learned how to make screenshots lol
These are the languages SIRI has right now...

[Flyingheart]

Does anyone own a good bicycle iPhone 4 or 4S mount?
I'm searchig for one, Ozaki iCarry seems alright and the Tiagra bike mount... still searching for better stuff cause these support iPhone 4 not the S...

[jamjam101]

I boycott Apple cause I hate the way they practice their business. I don't hate on individuals. The best I can do to NOT support Apple, is to not own any Apple products.

I don't take the side of Android, Windows, QNX or Sambian or W/e.... whichever product can get my job done in the most freely way possible, that's what I go for...Ironically, it's been Android and their Open Source platform.

just like evergamer said, if I'm going to pay big bucks for a phone, or handcuff myself for a 3 year term to get top of the line phone, I want to be able to customize it exactly to my liking.

[megatron42]

and t-mobile got left in the cold again not getting the iphone... people can buy and have them jail broken

[nelson]

For me, it's because so many apple users just flat out deny there is any value in the competition, and immediately dismiss anything without an Apple logo on it. Also, comments like nelson's are just dickish. It's that Apple bravado that so many Apple users display that bothers me. My father-in-law got an iPad for xmas last year and now he's gone full Apple, and looks down on my Tech choice. I don't hate on Apple people until they hate on me.

Open source is better for the people who want it. Sorry, but you can't argue that. Custom ROM's, UI's, apps, etc, all because of the Android open source project. For the people who DON'T care about that stuff, well, obviously there's no argue point. Personally, I love it. I've used many ROMS on my Droid, and will continue to do so. Without open source that wouldn't be possible. I like being able to customize the hardware I pay good money for.

The long and short of the apple/android debate is that people will pick the device that suits their needs. I'll continue to use my wonderful Android devices for fun, work, gaming, etc. This whole conversation is a fucking joke, and I can't believe I got sucked into this subject. It's as dumb as console debates.

So pointing out the truth is dickish to you? I'm John Holmes then.

Android is bound to have a higher market share because of their combined sales of a gazillion phones, but not one single Android phone has sold more than the iPhone.

What’s interesting here is just how different a game Apple is playing than every other company in the racket. The company with a majority share of the industry’s PROFITS makes just one phone per year — and the gap between the 4 and 4S was 16 months — and yet their model that debuted in June 2009 remained the second-best-selling handset in the country as late as last month.

Sniper rifle versus a bunch of guys running around with shotguns.