Transformers: No Blu-Ray

[MazterJedi]

As an owner of a Playstation 3 and a Blu-Ray player, I must say that I am most displeased (actually, downright pissed!) about Paramount/Dreamworks deciding not to release one of the best movies ever on (my opinion only) the superior HiDef format. Not just because I only own Blu-Ray, I did my research on the production of, content delivery, backing studios, distribution, etc. and chose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. Anyway, a movie as epic as Transformers deserves distribution to ALL HD-goers. I hope that the studio can realize just how much $$$ (6 million or so PS3's out there and 200,000 or so stand-alone players) equals a lot of potential purchases. Warner Bros. is doing just fine releasing its bigger name movie franchises on both formats. Why not P/DW? So many fine movies that will never see my eyes until I can get a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo player (my standalone Blu-Ray player was won in a contest, lucky me). Mr. Bay, if you read this, tell them retards to tear up that paycheck from Toshiba and do the right thing to please the masses! What are your thoughts, everyone?

[darthrage]

I thought we already discussed this in 5 other threads, 2 of which got deleted or locked by the mods because there were too many threads about it LOL!

Anyways, i wish it was available for blu-ray so that I don't have to buy an HD-DVD add-on for my 360 but I will anyways since there will be movies that will be HD-DVD only in the future so it is a worthwhile investment

[Jarek Zabczynski]

The truth is...most PS3 owners don't even know what Blu-Ray is or aren't interested in Next-Gen DVD yet.

[wingzero]

The truth is...most PS3 owners don't even know what Blu-Ray is or aren't interested in Next-Gen DVD yet.

When did you hear such a thing ? That's just the opposite actually.
Current PS3 owners are early adopters and know for sure what Blu-Ray and HDTV are and the majority of them owns HDTV Plasma or TFT displays.

Add to this the fact that the PS3 is the best Blu-Ray player on the market giving the best decoding quality... The majority of PS3 owners bought the console wanting a Blu-Ray player as well. I know many early adopters buying Blu-Ray movies and watching them on their PS3. The PS3 is being used as *the Blu-Ray player*.

[Tobi]

As an owner of a Playstation 3 and a Blu-Ray player, I must say that I am most displeased (actually, downright pissed!) about Paramount/Dreamworks deciding not to release one of the best movies ever on (my opinion only) the superior HiDef format. Not just because I only own Blu-Ray, I did my research on the production of, content delivery, backing studios, distribution, etc. and chose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. Anyway, a movie as epic as Transformers deserves distribution to ALL HD-goers. I hope that the studio can realize just how much $$$ (6 million or so PS3's out there and 200,000 or so stand-alone players) equals a lot of potential purchases. Warner Bros. is doing just fine releasing its bigger name movie franchises on both formats. Why not P/DW? So many fine movies that will never see my eyes until I can get a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo player (my standalone Blu-Ray player was won in a contest, lucky me). Mr. Bay, if you read this, tell them retards to tear up that paycheck from Toshiba and do the right thing to please the masses! What are your thoughts, everyone?

LOL This has been discussed to death already, everybody makes their own descisions based on personal research and opinion, this is what this is, your opinion, nothing more.

[Tobi]

When did you hear such a thing ? That's just the opposite actually.
Current PS3 owners are early adopters and know for sure what Blu-Ray and HDTV are and the majority of them owns HDTV Plasma or TFT displays.

Add to this the fact that the PS3 is the best Blu-Ray player on the market giving the best decoding quality... The majority of PS3 owners bought the console wanting a Blu-Ray player as well. I know many early adopters buying Blu-Ray movies and watching them on their PS3. The PS3 is being used as *the Blu-Ray player*.


Jester's correct actually, I don't think he heard it, I'm sure he read it, this was polled last month.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070809-report-gamers-largely-clueless-about-next-gen-console-media-capabilities.html

[nelson]

The PS3 is being used as *the Blu-Ray player*.

By those looking for a cheap Blu-ray player, not the majority of the gaming community.

[Dennis M]

I'm format agnostic, own both (PS3 & HD A20), so I really don't care which format it is released on. Both HD DVD and Blu-ray have their positives and negatives and I don't feel that either one is that much better than the other. It's about the movies and not the media. Why should we get caught up in a corporate battle over future media royalties. With HD DVD player prices as low as they are why not pick a player up and watch the movies you want? It's not like either of the formats discs will stop playing when the war is decided.

[Galvatron]

This will probably be the last time I speak on this topic, it's just out of control and ridiculous!

The solution lies in buying a multi format player instead of waiting 18 months or longer for contracts to expire just to buy and watch a movie while the corporations decide on what movies YOU can or cannot watch whichever format you have already bought.

Nobody will lose with a multi format player if this "war" does end with a winner on either side! If blu-ray wins then people whom have invested the time and money on HD DVD's will still be able to play them and the reverse is true for Blu-ray dvd's.

The technobabble jargon in some of these threads and the nitpicking of "well, Blu ray doesn't have MP-110-AVG or HD DVD doesn't have IJP-880-DMF" is really pissing me off. :mad:

The technical jargon and specifics were made up of course but you get the point.

People have preferences yes and that's fine to a certain point but when it becomes nearly childish nitpicking about certain details there needs to be another word looked up and that simply is called compromise.

"No sacrifice, No victory!"

[MazterJedi]

Sorry about the repeat. Just had to get it off my chest. Hope you can understand.

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Add to this the fact that the PS3 is the best Blu-Ray player on the market giving the best decoding quality...

The opposite here as well. The PS3 relies on software and Cell processing to decode movie playback, whereas real BD players use hardware decoding. This is why a plain BD player is so much more expensive than a player that is also a full-blown gaming console.

[wingzero]

The opposite here as well. The PS3 relies on software and Cell processing to decode movie playback, whereas real BD players use hardware decoding. This is why a plain BD player is so much more expensive than a player that is also a full-blown gaming console.



Well, I don't want to sound rude but you don't know what you are talking about. This site provides quite detailed technical info about the IBM/Sony/Toshiba (yep, Toshiba is involved as well which makes it quite funny nowadays with the HD-DVD Vs Blu-Ray format war...) Cell CPU and explains what the SPEs actually are: http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell1_v2.html

Now, did you know that the first HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players on the market were customized Pentium4 Prescott core system ? They didn't sell much and they were slow and full of bugs. Anyway, that was happening because DSPs capable of decoding H.264 properly were just not ready yet.
The key to understand how things work lies within what a DSP is and it's used for. "hardware decoding" means nothing.. every CPU it's hardware, a DSP is hardware as well but the difference compared to general purpose CPUs is that it's optimized for high bandwidth/low-latency tasks and it consumes less power than a general purpose CPU. Since the addition of MMX sub-units on Intel CPUs things started changing a lot. The general purpose CPU architecture started changing toward a DSP-like one. You can find plenty of info on the 'net if you don't want/don't care about spending money on technical books.
The Cell CPUs with its 8 SPEs can achieve better results than even high-end DSPs and can match multi-DSP configurations simply because the SPEs architecture is practically just like a DSP one. The Cell architecture allows to use each SPE like a DSP for a given task and that's a lot of available calculation power.

The Toshiba HD-DVD players for example use an Analog Devices SHARC DSP which is a very good processor but even their best model can't match Cell's SPEs unless they put multi-DSPs configurations (read:very expensive) inside every player motherboard: http://www.analog.com/processors/sharc/overview/roadmap.html

Then what matters is how good the programmers are because one of the most difficult things to do is to program audio/video filters properly, optimize algorithms for best DSP performance.. all this stuff requires a lot of time, programmers skill and a lot of money that the manufacturers have to throw in order to make their products better than the competition.

[Trigger Mike]

The solution lies in buying a multi format player instead of waiting 18 months or longer for contracts to expire...

No. Waiting the 18 months is a solution.

I saw the film 4 times in the theatre, so I'm going to be able to wait a little while before I see it again (even though that will suck). I'd prefer to wait 18 months and see if they release it on Blu-ray, rather than going out and buying more hardware.

If they don't do a Blu-ray release in 18 months, then I'll look into HD DVD.

[r-type]

Well, I don't want to sound rude.... Well not to sound rude either, but hitting people over the head with tech talk does not necessarily tell me why the PS3 is better either. It doesn't tell an HD lay-person (like myself) why a stand alone BD player is still $$$$ as opposed to a BD capable PS3 being only $$$.

It just leaves me more confused as to why the stand-alones aren't down there in price either. And if I want to get really cynical, then it just feels like Sony just doesn't have their $#!t together (again), and is on course for dropping the proverbial HD ball.

All I'm saying is that there's got to be a difference. Otherwise the stand-alone BDP's would be cheaper and duking it out in the trenches with HD-DVD.

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Well, I don't want to sound rude but you don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe I'm not explaining this right. My point is that real BD players are designed and made specifically to do one purpose...play BD movies. All the hardware inside them is specific to that function. The PS3 is a gaming system first and foremost. It has the same BD drive just as BD players, everything else is emulated by the Cell Processor, then uses available audio and video hardware to display picture and sound. The physical size of the PS3 is enough to show you that it's not possible to fit the required hardware needed for a real BD player inside, certain elements are improvised. It's like comparing a standalone DVD player to the DVD player in your PC...it's not the same thing. That's what I mean by software vs hardware.

[Galvatron]

No. Waiting the 18 months is a solution.

I saw the film 4 times in the theatre, so I'm going to be able to wait a little while before I see it again (even though that will suck). I'd prefer to wait 18 months and see if they release it on Blu-ray, rather than going out and buying more hardware.

If they don't do a Blu-ray release in 18 months, then I'll look into HD DVD.

I've seen the film four times myself and waiting 18 months would be too long for me.
Are you saying that if HD DVD wins the format war you're going to just trash your Blu ray collection and spend the time and money replacing your exsisting collection ? That may work for those that have a small dvd collection but mine is rather huge and is not an option for either format, I could afford it but man what a waste. A multi format player ends most of the debates in my opinion, friends can bring whichever movie over in either format and it's not an issue and people investments in either format can still be used and not filling up the landfills.

:p

[wingzero]

Maybe I'm not explaining this right. My point is that real BD players are designed and made specifically to do one purpose...play BD movies. All the hardware inside them is specific to that function. The PS3 is a gaming system first and foremost. It has the same BD drive just as BD players, everything else is emulated by the Cell Processor, then uses available audio and video hardware to display picture and sound. The physical size of the PS3 is enough to show you that it's not possible to fit the required hardware needed for a real BD player inside, certain elements are improvised. It's like comparing a standalone DVD player to the DVD player in your PC...it's not the same thing. That's what I mean by software vs hardware.

You and others here are missing the point, hardware it's technology and it's impossible to discuss it in a non-technical way. If you want to understand why the Cell CPU is so powerful then you need to study technical stuff, advanced low-level books to grasp the difference and what really matters.
It's pretty naive and childish to claim that the Cell CPU which did cost billions of dollars to IBM/Sony/Toshiba in R&D would be an improvised solution. I can understand you don't have the knowledge and you don't have a clue about how this stuff really works, however what you claim it's just wrong.
Your comparison of PCs to DVD players then it's even worse because nowadays PCs (it obviously depends on what kind of hardware and software you got anyway) have much better quality than cheap $20-100 DVD decoders, MPEG-2 is decoded in hardware with high precision directly on GPUs like ATI and Nvidia ones which even support VC-1 and H.264 anyway.

The Cell CPU is so advanced that Intel and AMD will match its power only Q4 2008 at the earliest with their upcoming 8-core CPUs. Emulation is not involved at all. If you believe that Cell "emulates" a BD player for audio/video decoding then you just don't know how things are programmed. I tried to explain it to you in my previous post, standalone players feature DSPs to do the job, where the algorithms are loaded and executed to properly decoder audio/video streams along with the needed filters.

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Bla... Bla... My ePenis is bigger than yours!!!

Yeah...you're being rude... Since you asked... :rolleyes:

[wingzero]

Yeah...you're being rude... Since you asked... :rolleyes:

You just demonstrated to be childish instead. Quoting me with a fake sentence you wrote on your own, in a what you think is a funny way, to insult those you don't agree with or those that know something better than you, me in this case.. well, this is a childish behaviour, indeed.
I never insulted you or anyone else but since I'm replying with the real deal about how things work and you don't want to hear that/don't know what I'm talking about then you resort to insults. Your behaviour speaks for yourself.

[r-type]

Maybe I'm not explaining this right...No, you are, it's just that the counterpoint given against what you're saying was just tech speak that didn't really dispute why the stand alones were more $$$$ as opposed to the PS3 just being $$$, or better, for that matter.

[wingzero]

No, you are, it's just that the counterpoint given against what you're saying was just tech speak that didn't really dispute why the stand alones were more $$$$ as opposed to the PS3 just being $$$, or better, for that matter.

What should have I talked about, the taste of an ice-cream or the smell of flowers and if the sky is blue or not ?
Of course what matters here is technical stuff. And some bare marketing. Standalone players are priced higher not because they include better technology but because they produce less units, expect lower sales and they know that early adopters usually don't have money issues, statistically the richer ones buy first then the mass follows when the price falls.

[darthrage]

All i know is that I read that Blu-Ray is better because of a number.

When I watch Blu-Ray and then I watch HD-DVD, it looks like I'm watching a DVD in what tech experts refer to as "Eich Dee". It still looks like I'm watching a DVD and but because this techie tells me its so much better, I believe him cuz its embedded in my head cuz he obviously knows more than me.

So my first choice is Blu-Ray since people say its better, but since its not available in Blu-Ray, I'll buy it in HD-DVD since I do want to watch it in the best format out there.

This is coming from someone who doesn't really know or care about the fact that a Blu-Ray disc is equipped with the D30A-582M-S35-STFU technology

I'm sure its great

[Tobi]

All i know is that I read that Blu-Ray is better because of a number.

When I watch Blu-Ray and then I watch HD-DVD, it looks like I'm watching a DVD in what tech experts refer to as "Eich Dee". It still looks like I'm watching a DVD and but because this techie tells me its so much better, I believe him cuz its embedded in my head cuz he obviously knows more than me.

So my first choice is Blu-Ray since people say its better, but since its not available in Blu-Ray, I'll buy it in HD-DVD since I do want to watch it in the best format out there.

This is coming from someone who really know or care about the fact that a Blu-Ray disc is equipment with the D30A-582M-S35-STFU technology

I'm sure its great

This post wins the thread, by far lol :D

[r-type]

What should have I talked about, the taste of an ice-cream or the smell of flowers and if the sky is blue or not ? No, but (from experience) I've found that people tend to spout out the way-too-technical facts as a means to prove their case. What they fail to realize is that there are people (including early adopters, myself included), that once those facts go flying over their head, tune it out. Doesn't mean you are wrong(or the issue at hand), you just end up killing the point.


Standalone players are priced higher not because they include better technology but because they produce less units, expect lower sales and they know that early adopters usually don't have money issues, statistically the richer ones buy first then the mass follows when the price falls. See? With this statement you didn't have to call anyone out by telling them they didn't know what they were talking about or hit them over the head with tech facts.

The sad fact remains is that better does not always = winner. And all of this posturing is irrelevant because at the end of the day the meat and potatoes of this is still the content. (which why the studios have the developers by the sac)

[Jarek Zabczynski]

You just demonstrated to be childish instead. Quoting me with a fake sentence you wrote on your own, in a what you think is a funny way, to insult those you don't agree with or those that know something better than you, me in this case.. well, this is a childish behaviour, indeed.
I never insulted you or anyone else but since I'm replying with the real deal about how things work and you don't want to hear that/don't know what I'm talking about then you resort to insults. Your behaviour speaks for yourself.

You do realize this is a message board right? Stop being so defensive man. Just chill.

[wingzero]

You do realize this is a message board right? Stop being so defensive man. Just chill.

So because it's a message board I should enjoy getting insulted, maybe start insulting others and stop being serious about anything... ?!

[Jarek Zabczynski]

So because it's a message board I should enjoy getting insulted, maybe start insulting others and stop being serious about anything... ?!

Whatever man...

Anyway, we all seem to be getting off on the wrong foot. Let's just forget this thread and start over shall we? Tell us a bit about yourself.

[Trigger Mike]

Are you saying that if HD DVD wins the format war you're going to just trash your Blu ray collection and spend the time and money replacing your exsisting collection ?

That's not what I'm saying at all. If HD DVD wins the war, I will keep my BD player and all the BD movies I've accumulated by that time (Blu-ray will be around for years, so I'm sure I'll have quite a tidy collection if and when it loses the war). My BD player will continue to work beyond any silly format skirmish and it does a stellar job of upconverting my DVD collection.

I have a big DVD collection, too, and have no plans to replace any of those on BD. I just choose to buy Blu-ray now instead of DVD.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really disappointed that Paramount turned around and took a huge payoff to go HD DVD only having stated that format neutral was the way to go. They're into covering their bottom line and $150 million from Toshiba is obviously more money than they were going to make off BD sales for the next 18 months. I understand why they turned on Blu-ray, but life does go on.

I want Transformers on Blu-ray more than you could imagine, but my life is freakin' busy and there is plenty for me to do for the next 18 months to keep my occupied. I'll pick up Transformers one day, I just want to see if it's going to come out on BD first before I go and invest in another HD system.

Maybe I'm just old school. I started buying movies in a time when the release window between theatre and home video was over 12 months. I can understand how younger generations who are used to their 3 month windows wouldn't be able to understand my patience.

[Trigger Mike]

All i know is that I read that Blu-Ray is better because of a number.

When I watch Blu-Ray and then I watch HD-DVD, it looks like I'm watching a DVD in what tech experts refer to as "Eich Dee". It still looks like I'm watching a DVD and but because this techie tells me its so much better, I believe him cuz its embedded in my head cuz he obviously knows more than me.

So my first choice is Blu-Ray since people say its better, but since its not available in Blu-Ray, I'll buy it in HD-DVD since I do want to watch it in the best format out there.

This is coming from someone who doesn't really know or care about the fact that a Blu-Ray disc is equipped with the D30A-582M-S35-STFU technology

I'm sure its great

LOL!

What?:D

[Galvatron]

That's not what I'm saying at all. If HD DVD wins the war, I will keep my BD player and all the BD movies I've accumulated by that time (Blu-ray will be around for years, so I'm sure I'll have quite a tidy collection if and when it loses the war). My BD player will continue to work beyond any silly format skirmish and it does a stellar job of upconverting my DVD collection.

I have a big DVD collection, too, and have no plans to replace any of those on BD. I just choose to buy Blu-ray now instead of DVD.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really disappointed that Paramount turned around and took a huge payoff to go HD DVD only having stated that format neutral was the way to go. They're into covering their bottom line and $150 million from Toshiba is obviously more money than they were going to make off BD sales for the next 18 months. I understand why they turned on Blu-ray, but life does go on.

I want Transformers on Blu-ray more than you could imagine, but my life is freakin' busy and there is plenty for me to do for the next 18 months to keep my occupied. I'll pick up Transformers one day, I just want to see if it's going to come out on BD first before I go and invest in another HD system.

Maybe I'm just old school. I started buying movies in a time when the release window between theatre and home video was over 12 months. I can understand how younger generations who are used to their 3 month windows wouldn't be able to understand my patience.

Dude, I'm older than the Allspark!!!

:D

[Trigger Mike]

Hehe. I wasn't referring to you with that comment, more a generalization than anything else.

[space2001]

Petition for Transformers on Blu-ray

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/transformers_on_blu-ray/

[nelson]

Petition for Transformers on Blu-ray

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/transformers_on_blu-ray/

Unless you guys come up with $150 million, I see that petition useless.

[Galvatron]

Unless you guys come up with $150 million, I see that petition useless.

lol Too funny :D

[xAgonyxScenex]

y the hell would i pay money to sign a petition...screw that

[Devastator]

Internet petitions are useless. Give the fuck up. The blue-ray threads are getting out of hand.

[Galvatron]

Internet petitions are useless. Give the fuck up. The blue-ray threads are getting out of hand.

Not in the case of the petition for the musical score to Transformers!

:p

[Trigger Mike]

Unless you guys come up with $150 million, I see that petition useless.

Maybe the 34 current signatories could pool their funds. ;)

It's a major long shot, but I don't see why other big time directors (outside of Sir Spielberg) can't have their films released on both formats. It's pretty clear that both Blu-ray and HD DVD are going to stick around for a while.

[Devastator]

Not in the case of the petition for the musical score to Transformers!

:p

No shit? It actually worked?

I thought the 60 percent of the time it works all the time.:D

[Pellaeon]

I am using my PS3 pretty much solely as a Blu Ray player, with a little bit of Madden thrown in. When this movie first came out I was so thankful it was Paramount, this meant Blu Ray was sure. Do to that dumb arse deal I will NOT be buying Transformers. I hate the thought of buying a DVD when I can have the Hi-Def equivalents in the future. Hopefully that “18 month” exclusivity has clauses and we get that movie in Blu sooner. How come Michael Bay didn’t have the same pull as Spielberg on this one?

[JacKz5o]

The truth is...most PS3 owners don't even know what Blu-Ray is or aren't interested in Next-Gen DVD yet.

I think the opposite as well. I know many people who bought a PS3 just for its media features and not for gaming. Considering the fact that a PS3 costs about $500 and a dedicated Blu-Ray player costs around $1,000.

[Trigger Mike]

Considering the fact that a PS3 costs about $500 and a dedicated Blu-Ray player costs around $1,000.

Just where are you shopping? You can get a dedicated Blu-ray player under $500.

[space2001]

This image show how Paramount made there...... wait a minute blu-ray sales are better then hd-dvd. Makes no sense

[Double]

This image show how Paramount made there...... wait a minute blu-ray sales are better then hd-dvd. Makes no sense

Paroumount/Dreamwork were paid millions to go HD-DVD exclusive, but I've hear its only for 18 months.

Transformers will eventually be on Blu-Ray as long as Blu-Ray sticks around, probably in the form of a special edition with Imax footage or something.

I know Michael Bay said that foorage would never be released outside of Imax, but we were also told that there were no plans to release the Jablonski Score either...

[MR BLU]

When I saw this movie in theaters, the first thing I thought was, this is a must have in HD. Then I heard Paramount swapped over. This was one of the 3 biggest titles I wanted for my PS3, but now I half to wait until the format war is over.

There will be others way to see it on the PS3 in HD anyway ;)

[Spanbauer]

I think the opposite as well. I know many people who bought a PS3 just for its media features and not for gaming. Considering the fact that a PS3 costs about $500 and a dedicated Blu-Ray player costs around $1,000.
That was the case when the PS3 came out a year ago, but you can get a standalone Blu-Ray player for $500 now.

[rockinross]

The truth is...most PS3 owners don't even know what Blu-Ray is or aren't interested in Next-Gen DVD yet.
I am a ps3 owner and i have about 10 blu-ray discs indeed its one of the best players around and will soon be 1.1 pip complient.

[Johnny LaPhlegm]

I'm an HD DVD owner who is about to pick up a PS3 for about 60:40 ratio of Blu-Ray movies:games. With a $500 piece of hardware, I bet most owners know exactly what it is capable of. It's not priced for a blind impulse buy. More accurate is that some PS3 owners don't care about BR movies because they either don't have an HDTV, or upscaled DVD looks fine to them and it's cheaper.

[jimboslo]

I have a 360 and the HD-DVD add on. I also have a ps2 purely to play transformers. I`m not biased every console and format has its strenghts and weakness`s. But think about this the PS1 was a good console, but after which sony as a company became arrogant they took for granted that they can sell their products on name alone. The ps2 was a glorified playstation with a dvd drive yet none of the launch games were on dvd. The control pad isnt designed for FPS only rpgs and platformers. The PS3 same sort of thing yet with blue ray.

Look back at sonys history any if not all they have relised has been a dead format in a short period of time. Sony knew in order for the market to accept its format that by merging it with something IE the PS3 that it would sell on name alone. Where as head to head against HD-DVD it would be on even playing fields. Personaly i dont care about either format ask any one in computer IT world and they will say that the market is pushing towards downloadible content. Thats why the 360 and PS3 (if sony actually improves their service) will allow you to download HD films etc.

[Elandyll]

<sigh> Sorry, just had to correct a few things. I don't even have a Blu-Ray player at the time or a Playstation 2 or 3 -and the PS one is a good memory with Wipe Out and FF7-. But reading some stuff just makes you want to pull your hair out sometimes :)


I have a 360 and the HD-DVD add on. I also have a ps2 purely to play transformers. I`m not biased every console and format has its strenghts and weakness`s. But think about this the PS1 was a good console, but after which sony as a company became arrogant they took for granted that they can sell their products on name alone. The ps2 was a glorified playstation with a dvd drive yet none of the launch games were on dvd.
Ok. First the PS2 had a very strong processor, pretty much revolutionary for its time in terms of raw power for a console, it is called the "emotion engine", but was famously hard to code on, which led to a lot of titles not using it fully. So we're pretty far from a PS one really. On top of the DVD player of course.
AS per selling "on name alone", they took a huge risk actually with the PS3 by not only making it Backward compatible (more expensive due to extra hardware), a non proven yet next gen format (Blu-Ray player) and a brand new chip produced in collaboration with IBM and Toshiba called the "Cell", trying to make this console a true next gen media platform instead of a glorified no risk PC.
On name alone?


The control pad isnt designed for FPS only rpgs and platformers. The PS3 same sort of thing yet with blue ray.
Doesn't make much sense here.
First, yes, the PS3 is primarily for action games and Rpgs, that's always been the case. But let me make something very clear to you: The XBox controller, compared to a duo Keyboard / mouse, -sucks- relatively just as much for FPSs. Both stations can get USBs keyboards/ Mice. Voila!


Look back at sonys history any if not all they have relised has been a dead format in a short period of time. Sony knew in order for the market to accept its format that by merging it with something IE the PS3 that it would sell on name alone. First, while not being a "spelling Nazi", I would encourage you to take some more English classes. That would help for communication.
This being said, "all that Sony ever realized were dead formats" ?
Are you kidding me? So because they lost the consumer wars on VHS/Beta or minidisk (granted the atrac format was a backward idea), they have always lost?
Have you ever heard of U-Matic ? Betacam SP ? Betacam Digital ?
Cinealta? Genesis? Do you even realize that one of the most influencial modern format, the CD, was co-developped by Philips and Sony ?
Do you even know that Sony was the one to show the potential for the Blue Laser technology for High density data storage on disc (prototype shown at the 2000 CEATEC), which led to the Blu-Ray specs and later the HD-DVD?


Where as head to head against HD-DVD it would be on even playing fields. Personaly i dont care about either format ask any one in computer IT world and they will say that the market is pushing towards downloadible content. Thats why the 360 and PS3 (if sony actually improves their service) will allow you to download HD films etc.
I don't know about you, but I like the idea of making myself a collection of titles, and being able to physically purchase a title, as well as "owning" it(instead of having to buy it $5 every time you feel like watching it, andwaiting for the download too) . Let alone being able to buy one for Xmas to give as a gift, instead of a "itune/ Xboxlive" card.

As much as I like the convenience of my DVR, I absolutely loath the idea of not being able to find a deluxe Set of my favorite movie (TF on Blu Ray some day??? :D) when movies would be relegated to a download only flick equivalent of a PPV.

[Hockeytown Fan]

As an owner of a Playstation 3 and a Blu-Ray player, I must say that I am most displeased (actually, downright pissed!) about Paramount/Dreamworks deciding not to release one of the best movies ever on (my opinion only) the superior HiDef format. Not just because I only own Blu-Ray, I did my research on the production of, content delivery, backing studios, distribution, etc. and chose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. Anyway, a movie as epic as Transformers deserves distribution to ALL HD-goers. I hope that the studio can realize just how much $$$ (6 million or so PS3's out there and 200,000 or so stand-alone players) equals a lot of potential purchases. Warner Bros. is doing just fine releasing its bigger name movie franchises on both formats. Why not P/DW? So many fine movies that will never see my eyes until I can get a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo player (my standalone Blu-Ray player was won in a contest, lucky me). Mr. Bay, if you read this, tell them retards to tear up that paycheck from Toshiba and do the right thing to please the masses! What are your thoughts, everyone?
Grow up and get over it!!!! I'm not pissed about not getting Disney or Fox movies on HD DVD!!! besides...you can get an HD DVD a Hell of a lot cheaper than I can get a blurry player! HD DVD 129.99 in store right now!
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Toshiba-HD-DVD-Player-HDA2/sem/rpsm/oid/169466/catOid/-16221/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
the cheapest blurry player is still 378.00 - 492.00 through the internet at some site I've never heard of!!! Just buy an HD DVD Player already!! The Profiles are set in stone too!

[Hockeytown Fan]

This image show how Paramount made there...... wait a minute blu-ray sales are better then hd-dvd. Makes no sense
@6X the players for blurry! Shouldn't the movie software ratio be 6:1 also? why is it that last week with a HUGE HUGE Buy One Get One Free Promo that blurry put out did it only get a 51:49 ratio last week? Mr. Bay, Blurry was out to underscore you last week and your Transformers HD DVD release by giving away their movies at a 50% rate! To me 50% of the 51% ratio blurry got last week = 25.5% So by my estimates HD DVD outsold blurry @ 25.5:74.5, or to make it even 26:74 for an HD DVD win! Mr.bay, there is a format war going on, Guess what.... HD DVD won in my house and hundreds of Thousands if not millions more its the very same way! HD DVD isn't going anywhere so get used it Blu-boys! If not for the POS3 Blurry would be dead already! Mr.bay, do you really wanna hitch the movie of your career on a supposed video game machine? The POS3 is Dead!
http://www.vgchartz.com/ngwars.php
http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php#hard

[piturra]

@6X the players for blurry! Shouldn't the movie software ratio be 6:1 also? why is it that last week with a HUGE HUGE Buy One Get One Free Promo that blurry put out did it only get a 51:49 ratio last week? Mr. Bay, Blurry was out to underscore you last week and your Transformers HD DVD release by giving away their movies at a 50% rate! To me 50% of the 51% ratio blurry got last week = 25.5% So by my estimates HD DVD outsold blurry @ 25.5:74.5, or to make it even 26:74 for an HD DVD win! Mr.bay, there is a format war going on, Guess what.... HD DVD won in my house and hundreds of Thousands if not millions more its the very same way! HD DVD isn't going anywhere so get used it Blu-boys! If not for the POS3 Blurry would be dead already! Mr.bay, do you really wanna hitch the movie of your career on a supposed video game machine? The POS3 is Dead!
http://www.vgchartz.com/ngwars.php
http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php#hard

Excellent point Hockeytown Fan!!!

A few days ago, it was reported that Wal-Mart will sell the Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player for $198 and today, @ HighDefDigest, ... it reports ...

Circuit City, Amazon Join $198 HD DVD Player Club (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Circuit_City/Toshiba/Circuit_City,_Amazon_Join_$198_HD_DVD_Player_Club_ (UPDATED)/1116)


Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 09:00 AM ET

UPDATE: Looks like everyone's jumping aboard the $198 HD-A2 gravy train. Added mention of Amazon.com's recent listing of the player.

Wal-Mart isn't the only retailer offering Toshiba's HD-A2 HD DVD player at the record low price of $198 .

As we've previously reported (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Toshiba/Wal-Mart/Wal-Mart_Stocks_Sub-$200_HD_DVD_Player/1110), the discount retailer made headlines last week when it confirmed that it would carry Toshiba's second-gen 1080i HD DVD player for less than $200.

Now both Circuit City and Amazon.com have joined the fray, offering the same deck for a penny less (at $197.99). Even better, unlike Wal-Mart, both retailers have extended the discounted price on the HD-A2 to online sales.

At press time, it wasn't clear how long these retailers plan to stock the discounted player. We do know that Toshiba plans to release a new comparable entry-level third-gen player (the HD-A3) sometime in November.

Speaking with Fortune Magazine last week, a Wal-Mart spokesperson disputed earlier reports (http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/10/25/hd-dvd-vs-blu-ray-wal-mart-offers-toshiba-player-for-under-200/) that the player would only be made available in limited number, saying "There are no limited quantities for stores or purchases."

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The following quote from DreamWorks Animation CEO, Jeffrey Katzenberg (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-20-2007/0004648398&EDATE=) is coming true ...


"We believe the combination of this year's low-priced HD DVD players and the commitment to release a significant number of hit titles in the fall makes HD DVD the best way to view movies at home."

$198 HD Players that can view THE NEXT GENERATION PiP & WEB ENABLED FEATURES within "TRANSFORMERS" HD DVD!!! :D

Phil

[ClaytonMG]

Personally, I wont be buying any of the faulty HD-DVD players that are out. I prefer actually being able to use my 7.1 sound system to it's fullest, same with my 1080p TV. So they can keep their cheap players, as that's just what they are, cheap players. And what's Blurry? I think you mean Blu-Ray but I am not sure? See it's little immature things like that that make people lose any credibility. Same with the people that agree with them. I hate Blu-Ray people that call HD-DVD "HD-DUD" as much as I hate people that call Blu-Ray "Gay-Ray" or whatever little immature 5-year old kid insults they can come up with.

[Tobi]

Personally, I wont be buying any of the faulty HD-DVD players that are out. I prefer actually being able to use my 7.1 sound system to it's fullest, same with my 1080p TV. So they can keep their cheap players, as that's just what they are, cheap players. And what's Blurry? I think you mean Blu-Ray but I am not sure? See it's little immature things like that that make people lose any credibility. Same with the people that agree with them. I hate Blu-Ray people that call HD-DVD "HD-DUD" as much as I hate people that call Blu-Ray "Gay-Ray" or whatever little immature 5-year old kid insults they can come up with.

Related to the format war, not everyone can afford $500.00+ players, that's why sub-$200.00 players are such a big deal, this is a price that the mainstream is willing to pay for a player, and this is exactly what this player is being catered to, the mainstream, not the enthusiast.

[ClaytonMG]

Related to the format war, not everyone can afford $500.00+ players, that's why sub-$200.00 players are such a big deal, this is a price that the mainstream is willing to pay for a player, and this is exactly what this player is being catered to, the mainstream, not the enthusiast.

Well I know that, but that's why I said "I". But I think price is why there's the $399 PS3 that just came out that'll do the 1080p and 7.1 sound output... Still not sure what the point of releasing that was though. Seems pretty dumb having so many versions of the PS3 out there. They should've kept the 20gb version on the market and just marked it way down to like $299 or lower IF they were smart. I personally haven't used up much space at all on my PS3 (I don't think I've really used any).