Update

[nelson]

Just a little update:

1.- Michael is NOT directing a movie staring Taylor Lautner. It's a project Platinum Dunes might produce.

2.- And for the final time the Twins are not in this movie period - end of story.

PS. I will have the DOTM 1080p Daytona ad tomorrow night.

[Sam Nickelson]

can't wait for the ad. and thanks for the confirmation on the twins but why on set??

[Trailbreaker]

2.- And for the final time the Twins are not in this movie period - end of story.

That's right! The Twins are not in the Platinum Dunes project starring Taylor Lautner!
:lmao

[nelson]

can't wait for the ad. and thanks for the confirmation on the twins but why on set??

Different characters.

[Sam Nickelson]

Different characters.

then what's with the toy leaks of skids? are they re using the cgi models for new characters? lame.

[Trailbreaker]

Different characters.

Seriously? Two black Chevy Sparks, with green and orange racing strips? What are they, the Twins' twins? Is this like a family of quadruplets or something?

[Sam Nickelson]

bay even said "twins are virtually gone"

[Wheelie]

*cough*

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/1/dsc05829_1297549152.jpg
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/1/dsc05935_1297573475.jpg

[swishbig]

*cough*

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/1/dsc05829_1297549152.jpg
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/1/dsc05935_1297573475.jpg

link doesn't work

[Jason Gould]

Different characters.

That's a lie, look nelson not be mean but didn't Michael Bay even confirm there back in a interview "I got rid of the dorky comedy, I mean we’ve got two little characters, that’s it, but the dorkiness is not there." here's the link http://collider.com/michael-bay-interview-transformers-dark-moon-edit-bay-visit/63824/.

And the toys don't lie they have there names to prove it, And answer me this we are we going to get an official poster.

[Wheelie]

Oops, sorry:

http://i54.tinypic.com/jz8wb6.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/f2lkcx.jpg

[Albershide]

Just a little update:

1.- Michael is NOT directing a movie staring Taylor Lautner. It's a project Platinum Dunes might produce.

2.- And for the final time the Twins are not in this movie period - end of story.

PS. I will have the DOTM 1080p Daytona ad tomorrow night.

Well I can sleep calm this night. I was worrying about this Bay - Lautner project. Nothing personal but I just don't like this guy.
And this misleading info about the Twins was unnecessary. We've all seen set videos with them and toy pictures.

[eagc7]

Different characters.

Then hwo yo ucan Explain THIS??

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/7/1/5/9/0/28751-HUMAN-ALLIANCE-SKIDS2_1297572193.jpg
http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/46/DOTM_Deluxe_Skids_toy.jpg
http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/55/DOTM_Cyberverse_Skids_toy.jpg
http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/ff/DOTM_Cyberverse_Mudflap_toy.jpg

Yup THESE ARE THE TWINS! in the Same Alt mode and COLORS From the Sparks we in set, how can you explain that?

[ChadWPalm]

I can believe and accept different "personalities" (Like Optimus got tired of their stupidity and ordered Ratchet to reprogram them), but not different "characters".

Sorry Nelson....but there's a LOT of evidence out there that the twins are in the movie.

Misdirection campaign fail.

[Shadow]

ok... im going to give my 8 cents worth on this. I think what Nelson meant was that the twins as we know them are not in the movie. While they still look like them, their characters have evolved away from the dorky, slapstick, gangster characters we got in ROTF. Why would Hasbro attach the Skids and Mudflap names to the toys and then say... "you know what, lets give them different names in the movie." If that is the case, than thats like saying all the TFs names on the toys could be lies... Sentinel Prime(toy) may not be Sentinel Prime in the movie... and @ Nelson... Where is Wheelie? You yourself said he was in and we have yet to see anything of him, not even a newer toy.

[Spanbauer]

PS. I will have the DOTM 1080p Daytona ad tomorrow night.
Very much looking forward to that. Thanks Nelson. No idea what you're smoking in regards to the Twins though.

[Michael Do]

Very much looking forward to that. Thanks Nelson. No idea what you're smoking in regards to the Twins though.looking forward for the 1080p ad, and lol

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Just a little update:

1.- Michael is NOT directing a movie staring Taylor Lautner. It's a project Platinum Dunes might produce.

2.- And for the final time the Twins are not in this movie period - end of story.

PS. I will have the DOTM 1080p Daytona ad tomorrow night.

ad? is that a new teaer sorta thing? HOLY Sh** YES!!!! haha im excited! thanks nelson!
and i thought the twins were in the movie...I guess that's a good thing that they're not though. But either
way, it wouldn't affect the movie much (if they were minor characters) and taylor lautner? don't
know who that is, to be honest! hahaha!

[Shockwave69]

Nelson, no disrespect or anything, but, remember how Mr. Bay set up a misinformation compaign for ROTF and said Megatron was not gonna be in ROTF, and BOOM he was in it?

this is exactly like that, Skids and Mudflap are in DOTM

[Shadow]

Nelson, no disrespect or anything, but, remember how Mr. Bay set up a misinformation compaign for ROTF and said Megatron was not gonna be in ROTF, and BOOM he was in it?

this is exactly like that, Skids and Mudflap are in DOTMI just dont see why he(nelson) would wait til this late to say the twins are not in the movie and that the two Sparks are new characters. Why wouldnt he tell any of us this from the start when he said no hound, no perceptor?

[Trailbreaker]

ok... im going to give my 8 cents worth on this. I think what Nelson meant was that the twins as we know them are not in the movie. While they still look like them, their characters have evolved away from the dorky, slapstick, gangster characters we got in ROTF.
So physically, they're the same guys. But in terms of personality and character, they've gone from the goofy, arguing, slapstick gangstas to...

*cue James Bond Theme*

SECRET AGENTS!!!

:D

[Sam Nickelson]

So physically, they're the same guys. But in terms of personality and character, they've gone from the goofy, arguing, slapstick gangstas to...

*cue James Bond Theme*

SECRET AGENTS!!!

:D

no they went from "wanna be ninjas" in Rotf to blacked out actual ninjas lol

[Trailbreaker]

no they went from "wanna be ninjas" in Rotf to blacked out actual ninjas lol

Exactly! They have now proved themselves worthy!

But c'mon, we gotta get a little goofiness out of them. What I really wanna see is how they get along with the Wreckers, who are seemingly rednecks, lol.

[scalan15]

It's obvious Nelson is misleading us on purpose, remember the hint about the Tentacles he gave when the superbowl trailer premiered? Saying it was Soundwave.

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Just a little update:

1.- Michael is NOT directing a movie staring Taylor Lautner. It's a project Platinum Dunes might produce.

2.- And for the final time the Twins are not in this movie period - end of story.

PS. I will have the DOTM 1080p Daytona ad tomorrow night.


does nelson mean a new AD or the same ad?

[nelson]

does nelson mean a new AD or the same ad?

The NASCAR Daytona Ad.

[nelson]

Nelson, no disrespect or anything, but, remember how Mr. Bay set up a misinformation compaign for ROTF and said Megatron was not gonna be in ROTF, and BOOM he was in it?

this is exactly like that, Skids and Mudflap are in DOTM

If you say so.

There is a better chance of of a certain actress appearing in TF3 than Skids & Mudflap.

[Hotwire]

If you say so.

There is a better chance of of a certain actress appearing in TF3 than Skids & Mudflap.
Ah! So Megan Fox will be seen in TF3. Must be a flashback.


In all seriousness, though. If the two Chevy Sparks, are not Skids and Mudflap, then why are the toys Skids and Mudflap?

[Sam Nickelson]

If you say so.

There is a better chance of of a certain actress appearing in TF3 than Skids & Mudflap.

alright so if they are new and minor characters like we've been told can u give us a name?

[scalan15]

So does this mean they are Drones now? Just like the decepticons, re-using the CGI models to save money and time? If they do this it's a HUGE MISTAKE, the children that are under 12 who loved the twins will be confused as hell, as well the general audience

[nelson]

Ah! So Megan Fox will be seen in TF3. Must be a flashback.


In all seriousness, though. If the two Chevy Sparks, are not Skids and Mudflap, then why are the toys Skids and Mudflap?

Being a toy doesn't guarantee a place in the movie. In fact, being filmed doesn't guarantee being in the final cut.

[Trailbreaker]

In fact, being filmed doesn't guarantee being in the final cut.

BOOM! That's what I wanna hear.

[nelson]

alright so if they are new and minor characters like we've been told can u give us a name?

Let's just say Wheelie has a buddy. ;)

[Hotwire]

Being a toy doesn't guarantee a place in the movie. In fact, being filmed doesn't guarantee being in the final cut.
That's certainly true about toys not always being in the movie, but I honestly cannot see going through all the effort of getting those cars, filming them, and then not using them.

[Sam Nickelson]

so what I'm reading is that originally they had a small role and were trying to be hidden then the role was filmed and cut in production and now it seems like that nelsons hiding there existence all together.

[nelson]

So does this mean they are Drones now? Just like the decepticons, re-using the CGI models to save money and time? If they do this it's a HUGE MISTAKE, the children that are under 12 who loved the twins will be confused as hell, as well the general audience

Where people confused with Devastator?

[mattimus prime]

all you people dogging on Nelson, i bet if he says the twins wont be in it i would beleive him because so far it doesnt seem that he is lying

[Sam Nickelson]

Let's just say Wheelie has a buddy. ;)

so now ur saying the sparks are wheelie and another guy...

[Spanbauer]

If you say so.

There is a better chance of of a certain actress appearing in TF3 than Skids & Mudflap.
Nelson, there's tons of photo evidence of skids and mudflap on set and being filmed alongside the other Autobots. See? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flacerda/5082048065/) so who the heck would they be if not the Twins, given they have the same alt modes and colors? Hasbro even has a toy of Skids with his new Dark of the Moon paint scheme.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5082048065_364e1c4544_z.jpg

[mattimus prime]

Nelson, there's tons of photos evidence of skids and mudflap on set and being filmed alongside the other Autobots. See? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flacerda/5082048065/) so who the heck would they be if not the Twins, given they have the same alt modes and colors? Hasbro even has a toy of Skids with his new Dark of the Moon paint scheme.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5082048065_364e1c4544_z.jpg
did you not listen to him he said they basically are new characters

[starscream1017]

If you say so.

There is a better chance of of a certain actress appearing in TF3 than Skids & Mudflap.

OMG! man, if megan is in the movie, im going to scream out loud in the cinema!!
i seriously hope she is in there, even if its for 5min.. rosie sucks! i want megan!!

[Hotwire]

Nelson, there's tons of photo evidence of skids and mudflap on set and being filmed alongside the other Autobots. See? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flacerda/5082048065/) so who the heck would they be if not the Twins, given they have the same alt modes and colors? Hasbro even has a toy of Skids with his new Dark of the Moon paint scheme.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5082048065_364e1c4544_z.jpg
Oddly enough, only Bumblebee has a license plate.

[Shadow]

Being a toy doesn't guarantee a place in the movie. In fact, being filmed doesn't guarantee being in the final cut.You first said they (the Twins) were not in period... then you say they (the Sparks) are new characters... now youre saying just because we seen them being filmed, does not mean they made the cut. So now the so called NEW Spark characters you just said were in, have not made the cut? And those Sparks were filmed in a lot of scenes with other character cars in close quarters to just be cut out completely... that would be a lot of extra work and money to cgi them right out of the film reels.

[Flyingheart]

So does this mean they are Drones now? Just like the decepticons, re-using the CGI models to save money and time? If they do this it's a HUGE MISTAKE, the children that are under 12 who loved the twins will be confused as hell, as well the general audience

23 posts on this forum and already advising directors what to do... tisk tisk tisk...
And WELCOME TO THE FORUM! :)

[Flyingheart]

all you people dogging on Nelson, i bet if he says the twins wont be in it i would beleive him because so far it doesnt seem that he is lying

Wouw 8 posts on this forum and well done!
WELCOME TO THE FORUM! :)

I agree with you BTW! :)

[Flyingheart]

Nelson, there's tons of photo evidence of skids and mudflap on set and being filmed alongside the other Autobots. See? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flacerda/5082048065/) so who the heck would they be if not the Twins, given they have the same alt modes and colors? Hasbro even has a toy of Skids with his new Dark of the Moon paint scheme.



Call the CIA! FBI! NSA the hell with it! call Sector 7! :lmao:lmao

[nelson]

Nelson, there's tons of photo evidence of skids and mudflap on set and being filmed alongside the other Autobots. See? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flacerda/5082048065/) so who the heck would they be if not the Twins, given they have the same alt modes and colors? Hasbro even has a toy of Skids with his new Dark of the Moon paint scheme.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5082048065_364e1c4544_z.jpg

I never said those cars weren't filmed. I just said they're not in the final film. Period.

Bay–who has final cut– has said it time and time again, so I don't expect for you to believe me.

[Sam Nickelson]

I never said those cars weren't filmed. I just said they're not in the final film. Period.

Bay–who has final cut– has said it time and time again, so I don't expect for you to believe me.

I have a hard time thinking the final cut is ready yet..

[starscream1017]

ah who cares bout the twins if they in or out, or if their names have changed... i just want to know is Megan in the movie??? even for 5 min?? man Megan in 3D! my head would explode!

[Flyingheart]

Hey Nelson (hope you had a good weekend, or at least a day off :) ) i hope your not getting a heartattack of all this here lol but do you have a idea of when your gonna share that 1080p version? Please? :)

[nelson]

You first said they (the Twins) were not in period... then you say they (the Sparks) are new characters... now youre saying just because we seen them being filmed, does not mean they made the cut. So now the so called NEW Spark characters you just said were in, have not made the cut? And those Sparks were filmed in a lot of scenes with other character cars in close quarters to just be cut out completely... that would be a lot of extra work and money to cgi them right out of the film reels.

There are 2 new buddy characters in the film, how hard is that to understand? One of them is Wheelie and the other is.... You can speculate all you want on their alt modes.

[scalan15]

Let's just say Wheelie has a buddy. ;)

Buddy you SAY? Does that mean Wheelie's GAY?

[nelson]

I have a hard time thinking the final cut is ready yet..

Most of what is or is not in the film has been decided. There was a final cut IIRC before the Holiday season last year.

[Shadow]

@ Nelson... ok, I understand that Bay may have decided to cut them out for whatever reason but to avoid all this confusion, why not just say from the start that you heard or got wind that Bay may have cut them out of the final movie and for those that liked them to not get upset if they dont see them in the movie. Why make it sound like they were never going to be in at all?

[scalan15]

There are 2 new buddy characters in the film, how hard is that to understand? One of them is Wheelie and the other is.... You can speculate all you want on their alt modes.

I remember reading that in ROTF the Twins were to combine in some way, maybe in DOTM they combine into one Autobot, the ROTF figures each had one big arm, almost like those toys were meant to combine in some way

[Trailbreaker]

I remember reading that in ROTF the Twins were to combine in some way, maybe in DOTM they combine into one Autobot, the ROTF figures each had one big arm, almost like those toys were meant to combine in some way

So that's who the Ferrari is!!!!! :lmao

[Shadow]

There are 2 new buddy characters in the film, how hard is that to understand? One of them is Wheelie and the other is.... You can speculate all you want on their alt modes.so we are getting Wheelie and Blurr... yeah so;)

[Sam Nickelson]

ok Nelson you weren't the clearest on the buddy thing.

I'm just gunna go out on a big limb. two completely different guesses:
Alt: Rc Copter
Name: Uh Blurr works

[NIBMRatchet]

There are 2 new buddy characters in the film, how hard is that to understand? One of them is Wheelie and the other is.... You can speculate all you want on their alt modes.

A Laptop maybe? ;)

[Flyingheart]

Wheelie is gonna rule them Twins with a IRON FIST!
Can you imagine? XD

Wheelie: "i dont like them D-cons... TWINS! get em!" XD

[I Fight Giant Robots]

The NASCAR Daytona Ad.

alright. gotcha. sorry im acting desperate for wanting trailer after trailer after trailer.
haha its just that Tformers is my favorite movie ever. thanks to michael bay .:borat
and Megan is in it? isnt she?!?! i saw her on set! i was thinking that all along! that's
pretty cool if she is! hahaha! that would be freaky for the storyline!!! (in a good way)
but im just jumping to conclusions :D

[nelson]

I remember reading that in ROTF the Twins were to combine in some way, maybe in DOTM they combine into one Autobot, the ROTF figures each had one big arm, almost like those toys were meant to combine in some way

IIRC correctly, Wheelie's buddy is the Einstein-looking bot.

[Flyingheart]

Hey Nelson (hope you had a good weekend, or at least a day off :) ) i hope your not getting a heartattack of all this here lol but do you have a idea of when your gonna share that 1080p version? Please? :)

PS: i dont want to know anymore details of DOTM, these hints are spoilers.

[nelson]

Hey Nelson (hope you had a good weekend, or at least a day off :) ) i hope your not getting a heartattack of all this here lol but do you have a idea of when your gonna share that 1080p version? Please? :)

It was a holiday here in the States today, so I'll have it by tomorrow evening.

[Hotwire]

A Laptop maybe? ;)
Funny.

BTW, what the heck does NIBM stand for?

[Flyingheart]

It was a holiday here in the States today, so I'll have it by tomorrow evening.

Ah ok cool :)
THANK YOU! :)

Ill just go to bed now, let you guys read the rest of the spoilers.
CyaaazzzZZZZzz...

[Shadow]

IIRC correctly, Wheelie's buddy is the Einstein-looking bot.ok so then who are the two Sparks nelson... you said they were new characters and not the twins.

[nelson]

ok so then who are the two Sparks nelson... you said they were new characters and not the twins.

Once upon a time the twins were in the script and they got cut.

There are now 2 new buddy characters who's alt modes I will not reveal.

Is that clear enough?

[NIBMRatchet]

Funny.

BTW, what the heck does NIBM stand for?

New-In-Box Mint. :)

[Hotwire]

ok so then who are the two Sparks nelson... you said they were new characters and not the twins.
Slides and Splashguard!

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Hey Nelson (hope you had a good weekend, or at least a day off :) ) i hope your not getting a heartattack of all this here lol but do you have a idea of when your gonna share that 1080p version? Please? :)

haha i know. the people on here, are yelling at the poor guy. let him breathe!
you'll find out the truth when you watch the movie! haha anyway, im kinda
freaking out about "there's a better chance of a certain actress appearing in the movie"
dude! that sounds like megan! is he hinting that megan might be in the movie? whoah...:borat
that's definetely big news right there if so....anyway, im prettty sure that tf3 will be cool
with or without the twins, and with or without megan...(even though, megan please be in it for
a few seconds at least! haha) that would be freaky for sam's storyline bro...:D it definetely
makes it more interesting..

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Buddy you SAY? Does that mean Wheelie's GAY?

hahaha "does that mean wheelie's gay?" :lmao i dont think robots can be gay, dude.

[scalan15]

hahaha "does that mean wheelie's gay?" :lmao i dont think robots can be gay, dude.

I know, it was a joke, rhyming like Wheelie,

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Once upon a time the twins were in the script and they got cut.

There are now 2 new buddy characters who's alt modes I will not reveal.

Is that clear enough?

Nelson, um...can you sorta speculate on the "theres a better chance of a certain actress being
in the film than the twins?" (please? :D)

Nelson was replying to everyone on here! that's pretty cool! and he was kinda revealing stuff. Like i said, today was a good day for
the forums!!! :borat

THANKS NELSON! now...let's leave the poor guy alone! jeez...

[I Fight Giant Robots]

I know, it was a joke, rhyming like Wheelie,


haha i was like, WTF!?!? pretty funny. anyway...if ppl didnt
keep bothering nelson with all the damn, "NO!!! youre lying!" comments,
maybe we'd get an answer to why he said "theres a better chance of a certain actress
being in it."

I mean, if Nelson said so...he knows ALOT MORE more about it than us...

[Shadow]

Once upon a time the twins were in the script and they got cut.

There are now 2 new buddy characters who's alt modes I will not reveal.

Is that clear enough?ok so wheelie and Einstein bot are buddies or besides them there is a second new set of buddies... because if Wheelie and Einstein bot are the new buddy combo(and im cool with that) you yourself said the Einstein bot was the Blue Benz so now why say you will not reveal their modes? Is Einstein bot not the Blue Benz any longer like YOU said?

[mattimus prime]

okay i get it nelson clearly is stating NO TWINS, im just getting confused on what he means by wheelies buddie?? im all backwards on that one

[NIBMRatchet]

Thanks Nelson! Very cool of you to come here and interact with the fans. Kudos Sir! :)

[nelson]

Nelson, um...can you sorta speculate on the "theres a better chance of a certain actress being
in the film than the twins?" (please? :D)


I was being hyperbolic of course. :p

[I Fight Giant Robots]

I was being hyperbolic of course. :p

Thanks Nelson!!! :D but that leads me to a question....why was she
filming scenes at the beginning of the year? (there were pics of her
near bumblebee wearing a white dress.)

anyway, thanks nelson!!! :borat

[Shadow]

ok so wheelie and einstein bot are buddies or besides them there is a second new set of buddies... Because if wheelie and einstein bot are the new buddy combo(and im cool with that) you yourself said the einstein bot was the blue benz so now why say you will not reveal their modes? Is einstein bot not the blue benz any longer like you said?nelson?

[SomeCroatianGuy]

Shadow,you are little bit annoying haha :p

Nelson,thanks for the clarification and.....

I think everyone here wants to ask you this :

when will we see the next full length trailer ? :)

[Shadow]

Shadow,you are little bit annoying haha :p

Nelson,thanks for the clarification and.....

I think everyone here want's to ask you this :

when will we see the next full length trailer ? :)sorry that i ask the questions that some others wont and im not a kiss ass like some others too.

[Sam Nickelson]

I thought Wheelie had a thing against old bots? (Jetfire) lol

[scalan15]

Thanks Nelson!!! :D but that leads me to a question....why was she
filming scenes at the beginning of the year? (there were pics of her
near bumblebee wearing a white dress.)

anyway, thanks nelson!!! :borat

that was before she was fired by Bay for being pale and too skinny

[Sam Nickelson]

sorry that i ask the questions that some others wont and im not a kiss ass like some others too.

Shadow are you running for office? Politician in training? haha! you know I'm just messing with ya bro

[I Fight Giant Robots]

sorry that i ask the questions that some others wont and im not a kiss ass like some others too.

well, you're going to find out when
you watch the movie, anyway bro !!!! At least
Nelson took the time to reply to some of
our questions. that was pretty cool dude :borat

[sideswipeyoass]

I like how the head looks like "Skid's" head :p http://wap.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=167&size=1&image=53

[I Fight Giant Robots]

I like how the head looks like "Skid's" head :p http://wap.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=167&size=1&image=53


dude...it doesnt really look like him that much...similair, but looks
like a different character to me. Besides, they could have had a short
part in the film, but then they decided to cut them out. So they're probally
just part of the DOTM toy lure, that never made it into the movie.

[Shadow]

well, you're going to find out when
you watch the movie, anyway bro !!!! At least
Nelson took the time to reply to some of
our questions. that was pretty cool dude :boratand i too am thankful thatNelson takes the time to give us info... even if not all true lol Just kidding. But all im saying on the Twins part of this thread is all he had to say was he heard the twins may not make the cut and clearly make it known that he meant the new buddy bots as new bots altogether and not bots that have the same car modes as the twins. All that was very confusing to everyone here.

[Spanbauer]

I never said those cars weren't filmed. I just said they're not in the final film. Period.

Bay–who has final cut– has said it time and time again, so I don't expect for you to believe me.
Nelson, it's not that I think you're deliberately misleading us — I believe that you believe "no twins" to be true. I'm just wondering if you're saying that because you know for a fact that they got edited out of the film entirely, or simply because Bay went on record last summer saying "the twins are basically gone". If it's merely the latter, then I wouldn't consider that enough confirmation since after saying that Bay went on truck the twins all over the country and film them alongside the other Autobots. Know what I mean?

[sideswipeyoass]

dude...it doesnt really look like him that much...similair, but looks
like a different character to me. Besides, they could have had a short
part in the film, but then they decided to cut them out. So they're probally
just part of the DOTM toy lure, that never made it into the movie.

I have my theories...;)

[Shadow]

I have my theories...;)care to share?:)

[dragonfire144]

So does this mean the convertable corvette isn't sideswipe and is some entirely new character and the recoloured ratchet is also a new character......."Sarcasm" I'm sorry but I have a hard time believeing that the two twins are entirley new characters. misinformation campaign.

also as a side note, nelson will any of the character like the anthony guy (You know the shut up grandma and drink your prune juice) be coming back for DOTM?

[taybrian1]

I'm sorry, Nelson, but I think you're full of it about the twins. No one is going to believe you with all of the evidence.

[swishbig]

23 posts on this forum and already advising directors what to do... tisk tisk tisk...
And WELCOME TO THE FORUM! :)
Remember now...in the rules it states that no one gives a shit about post count.

[Ed Fuego]

Seriously, has the collective brain power of this board dropped off the map in the last 24 hours?

He said they aren't in the movie (and I, for one, am disappointed in that because I thought they were hilarious). He gave you several possible reasons why they aren't in the movie (they were in the script but cut, they were filmed but cut). Yet many of you are jumping so far over the jump to conclusions mat that you should try out for the Olympics.

Many of you have taken what was some pretty weak statements from ROTF (in which MB stated that Megatron wouldn't return) and turned the production of this movie into the biggest conspiracy since the magic bullet. You guys read WAAAAAY to FAAAR into EVERYYYYYYYYTHING. (Btw, have any of you considered the idea that perhaps initially, Megatron wasn't in the original script of ROTF, but because of the writer's strike, the character... you know what, I can't believe I'm even discussing this. I think the stupid is contagious.)

Everyone take a huge step back and think about the possible explanations for a statement (any statement) before typing... please, for me, or if not for me, for the children.

Oh, and btw, if Nelson is lying, or MB is lying, or Dreamworks is lying, or Hasbro is lying, or the Almighty is lying (Bruce, Evan, or the real deal), and the Twins really are in the movie, I will be the first to come back to this thread and very contritely point out that the overreaction is still completely stupid.

Ed Fuego

[Andreas]

Whatever.

I can't wait to see the final chapter in this awesome trilogy.

Hey Nelson... you think Michael can fly me in for the premiere?

[r-type]

Can I have this entire quote as my sig?

I must be doing it wrong because all I keep landing on is "moot". (http://www.petemuller.net/main/images/stories/funny/70384439_ba1fd5b9de.jpg) :D


Seriously, has the collective brain power of this board dropped off the map in the last 24 hours?

He said they aren't in the movie (and I, for one, am disappointed in that because I thought they were hilarious). He gave you several possible reasons why they aren't in the movie (they were in the script but cut, they were filmed but cut). Yet many of you are jumping so far over the jump to conclusions mat that you should try out for the Olympics.

Many of you have taken what was some pretty weak statements from ROTF (in which MB stated that Megatron wouldn't return) and turned the production of this movie into the biggest conspiracy since the magic bullet. You guys read WAAAAAY to FAAAR into EVERYYYYYYYYTHING. (Btw, have any of you considered the idea that perhaps initially, Megatron wasn't in the original script of ROTF, but because of the writer's strike, the character... you know what, I can't believe I'm even discussing this. I think the stupid is contagious.)

Everyone take a huge step back and think about the possible explanations for a statement (any statement) before typing... please, for me, or if not for me, for the children.

Oh, and btw, if Nelson is lying, or MB is lying, or Dreamworks is lying, or Hasbro is lying, or the Almighty is lying (Bruce, Evan, or the real deal), and the Twins really are in the movie, I will be the first to come back to this thread and very contritely point out that the overreaction is still completely stupid.

Ed Fuego

[Shadow]

Just a little update:

1.- Michael is NOT directing a movie staring Taylor Lautner. It's a project Platinum Dunes might produce.

2.- And for the final time the Twins are not in this movie period - end of story.

PS. I will have the DOTM 1080p Daytona ad tomorrow night.


can't wait for the ad. and thanks for the confirmation on the twins but why on set??


Different characters.


Being a toy doesn't guarantee a place in the movie. In fact, being filmed doesn't guarantee being in the final cut.


Let's just say Wheelie has a buddy. ;)


I never said those cars weren't filmed. I just said they're not in the final film. Period.

Bay–who has final cut– has said it time and time again, so I don't expect for you to believe me.


There are 2 new buddy characters in the film, how hard is that to understand? One of them is Wheelie and the other is.... You can speculate all you want on their alt modes.


IIRC correctly, Wheelie's buddy is the Einstein-looking bot.


Once upon a time the twins were in the script and they got cut.

There are now 2 new buddy characters who's alt modes I will not reveal.

Is that clear enough?


ok so wheelie and Einstein bot are buddies or besides them there is a second new set of buddies... because if Wheelie and Einstein bot are the new buddy combo(and im cool with that) you yourself said the Einstein bot was the Blue Benz so now why say you will not reveal their modes? Is Einstein bot not the Blue Benz any longer like YOU said?

I just want all this to be read together. First... we get told the twins are not in the movie-period. Then Sam asked why they were seen on set. Then Nelson said they as in the (Sparks) are different characters. But than turns around and basicly says that even though he said they the (Sparks) are different character, that In fact, being filmed doesn't guarantee being in the final cut. Then says he never said those cars weren't filmed, just said they're not in the final film when he said just before that being filmed (as in admitting they were filmed) doesn't guarantee being in the final cut. And then from there jumps off subject of the Sparks to wheelie and his new buddy being the Einstein bot as if saying wheelie and Einstein bot are taking Skids and mudflap's places.

[sideswipeyoass]

care to share?:)

Sure :)

Since Barricade wasn't in ROTF he still got a toy anyways-so this can be the same case for "skids and Mudflap" OR They can be killed off or most likely now not in it at all.
BUT this doesn't have a reason for the toys to be based off the GREEN and ORANGE sparks. I don't get this, if they are not in it why make them the sparks?:confused: Why not a Bumblebee repaint :lmao (that didn't come out right)
So the twins by the looks are in it for a bit than killed off THEN maybe other characters take their alt modes???
Or they can have new names with the same ugly faces:p

[Shadow]

Sure :)

Since Barricade wasn't in ROTF he still got a toy anyways-so this can be the same case for "skids and Mudflap" OR They can be killed off or most likely now not in it at all.
BUT this doesn't have a reason for the toys to be based off the GREEN and ORANGE sparks. I don't get this, if they are not in it why make them the sparks?:confused: Why not a Bumblebee repaint :lmao (that didn't come out right)
So the twins by the looks are in it for a bit than killed off THEN maybe other characters take their alt modes???
Or they can have new names with the same ugly faces:pIm not saying Nelson is lying as far as the twins being cut and maybe they were meant to be the Sparks and hasbro went with it in the toy line too before they got cut... what i question is why tell us the two Sparks are different characters now if they (the sparks) are not used and were cut out?

[Shadow]

also... if the Sparks are now different characters as Nelson said to Sam Nickelson, that would be stupid as what, is Hasbro going to re-release the toys already named as Skids and Mudflap with two new bot names with the same looks and all as the already named Skids and Mudflap toys?

[sideswipeyoass]

Im not saying Nelson is lying as far as the twins being cut and maybe they were meant to be the Sparks and hasbro went with it in the toy line too before they got cut... what i question is why tell us the two Sparks are different characters now if they (the sparks) are not used and were cut out?

Good point so there are no "twins" and no new characters now:confused::lmao


also... if the Sparks are now different characters as Nelson said to Sam Nickelson, that would be stupid as what, is Hasbro going to re-release the toys already named as Skids and Mudflap with two new bot names with the same looks and all as the already named Skids and Mudflap toys?

It is Hasblow... if this is the case at the most we'ill get a new head sculpt

[Jason Gould]

I can't believe we are fighting over the Twins in this thread. If they are in the movie they are, if they are not in the movie they are not, will just have to wait and see when it comes out July 1st. And we have see them on the set what Nelson said in this thread doesn't mean anything.

[eagc7]

Why Not We Jsut wait till mroe trailers or the film comes otu after all the decision of whatever or not kept them or Make new characters off the sparks is up to Mr. Bay

[Albershide]

WOW, I missed a hilarious conversation due to my time zone. I've never seen a thread with so many answers from Nelson. :)
Well after reading this I don't believe Nelson is misleading us. One thing is sure the Twins will never be like the Twins we know. They're gone. Period. :)

When Nelson said that Wheelie has a buddy and that's the Einstein Bot I immediately remembered my comment when I first saw the Einstein Bot. It was something like:
"the Einstein Bot really looks like one of the Twins disguised with goggles, nose mask and a moustache". Especially the eyes look identical.

Here it goes: :lmao

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[GoldenGraham89]

dunno if anyone said the same here but the way i see it is this, the twins were to be in it, hence the two sparks, but bay decided to cut them and instead use wheelie and this "buddy" character in their place....and considering wheelie was mostly cgi, i can understand the buddy character as the same.

thats how i speculate it anyways.

skids now equals wheelie
mudflap now equals buddy character.

a simple change. much like changing mikaela's character with carly..........or sumthin like that

[lewisking]

WOW, I missed a hilarious conversation due to my time zone. I've never seen a thread with so many answers from Nelson. :)

Me too! Damn living the other side of the world!

[GoldenGraham89]

then again the sparks maybe the decepticon assassins that murder civilians as sum1 pointed out on the tfw2005 boards. seems plausible......they don the form of autobots, murder civilians and so begins the "autobots go home" campaign

[Maddyson crise]

Nelson, :) Next DOTM Trailer??

[OptimAZ Prime]

That's right! The Twins are not in the Platinum Dunes project starring Taylor Lautner!
:lmao

This.

[TIMtationX]

I for one hope Nelson is telling the truth and there are no other silly theories... cuz I hated those two.

[scalan15]

That's a great theory about the assassins . Maybe the dreads kill the twins and take on their identities and murder civilians and frame the autobots

[SDL]

It's all quite confusing really....

[Shadow]

yes it is... To Nelson and anyone else I may have offended with all my questioning... I apologize. I for one dont really care if the Twins were cut... it would have been fun to see how Bay could have changed their personalities some to make them less corny and more true comedic and worth a good laugh. It was just how when Sam Nickelson asked why the Sparks were seen on set then and Nelson said different characters it had everyone questioning if the Sparks were now new different characters. Then Nelson said Wheelie was back and his new partner was Einstein which he said in the past was the Blue Benz but now says he will not reveal their alt modes? So what i was getting at is

1. If the twins characters are out will the (Sparks) cars still be used for other characters?

2. Why tell us Wheelie and the Einstein(blue benz are buddies) but than say he will not reveal their alt modes... he already told us the blue benz was Einstein.

Wheelie's new buddy is small like him right?;)

[Albershide]

I don't think we're getting any more answers. I'm surprised that we got that much.

[nelson]

It's all quite confusing really....

Really?

No Skids & Mudflap. Period. End of story. Fin.

How hard is that?

What part of NO is incomprehensible?

[SDL]

Really?

No Skids & Mudflap.

How hard is that?

Because the cars were on set... and i see no reason to have the cars there if they aren't part of the movie... Plus it would confuse the viewers if you have two vehicles that have toys called Skids & Mudflap... then have them turn into other robots...

Also, if Bay was only carting them about to confuse the fans... why start now? why waste the expenses of doing so...

if they aren't in the movie... then why were the vehicles seen on multiple locations? THAT is what is confusing me..

[Optimus Hokie]

Has everyone here gone full retard? You never go full retard. How much simpler can it get. how can you not get it. The Sparks were the twins not some other characters and they were cut from the film and won't be in it. Lock this thread already it's beyond stupid.:dh

[SDL]

Just a little update:

1.- Michael is NOT directing a movie staring Taylor Lautner. It's a project Platinum Dunes might produce.

2.- And for the final time the Twins are not in this movie period - end of story.

PS. I will have the DOTM 1080p Daytona ad tomorrow night.

Hold on... by this movie... do you mean the Lautner one you mentioned or Dark Of The Moon?

[TIMtationX]

Really?

No Skids & Mudflap. Period. End of story. Fin.

How hard is that?

What part of NO is incomprehensible?

The N and the O?:p

[UltraPrime]

I personally think it's kind of lame that the twins are not in the movie when in fact they were in ROTF. I mean, Bay could of made them more serious without all the dorky comedy but to cut them out completely is kind of sad. Oh well...I hope Sideswipe is in it.:)

[SDL]

Nelson.... really not trying to be a pain or anything... i just don't understand, with what we have seen already, how they aren't in the finished DotM movie...

[Wheelie]

I hope Whee.. I mean 'Einstein looking bot' doesn't have a sense of humor, similar to the Twins, just for ''fun''.

[dragonfire144]

you know i'm starting to think this is all a test for micheal to see the reaction of people to the twins not being in. I believe the twins were filmed and had minimal roles. I believe they were cut because micheal thought they weren't needed. Maybe this is a test to see if people actually want the twins in the movie. I think because of this and the TFW threads and the TFLAMB threads, that the twins scenes will be re-added to the movie.

[wingzero]

Really?

No Skids & Mudflap. Period. End of story. Fin.

How hard is that?

What part of NO is incomprehensible?

This is the same kind of answer you gave on the actress that got fired...
So Michael Bay fired Skids and Mudflap too ?

[wingzero]

dunno if anyone said the same here but the way i see it is this, the twins were to be in it, hence the two sparks, but bay decided to cut them and instead use wheelie and this "buddy" character in their place....and considering wheelie was mostly cgi, i can understand the buddy character as the same.

thats how i speculate it anyways.

skids now equals wheelie
mudflap now equals buddy character.

a simple change. much like changing mikaela's character with carly..........or sumthin like that

Both don't make any sense.
On Skids & Mudflap is even more nonsense really.. so Michael Bay spent money to get the cars on scenes, filmed them.. maybe spent money on CGI tests for filmed scenes too and then he decided to cut all scenes involving the two characters after having spent surely not just a few bucks on all of that?
It doesn't make sense because he is so proud of being able to not waste resources.. why on this movie it seems that all of a sudden he decided to break his own rules on everything and more.

[wingzero]

I personally think it's kind of lame that the twins are not in the movie when in fact they were in ROTF. I mean, Bay could of made them more serious without all the dorky comedy but to cut them out completely is kind of sad. Oh well...I hope Sideswipe is in it.:)

Well.. Michael Bay practically fired Mikaela Banes, Leo Spitz and Skids&Mudflap...

[Maddyson crise]

Nelson when DOTM 1080p Daytona ??today evening???

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Seriously, has the collective brain power of this board dropped off the map in the last 24 hours?

He said they aren't in the movie (and I, for one, am disappointed in that because I thought they were hilarious). He gave you several possible reasons why they aren't in the movie (they were in the script but cut, they were filmed but cut). Yet many of you are jumping so far over the jump to conclusions mat that you should try out for the Olympics.

Many of you have taken what was some pretty weak statements from ROTF (in which MB stated that Megatron wouldn't return) and turned the production of this movie into the biggest conspiracy since the magic bullet. You guys read WAAAAAY to FAAAR into EVERYYYYYYYYTHING. (Btw, have any of you considered the idea that perhaps initially, Megatron wasn't in the original script of ROTF, but because of the writer's strike, the character... you know what, I can't believe I'm even discussing this. I think the stupid is contagious.)

Everyone take a huge step back and think about the possible explanations for a statement (any statement) before typing... please, for me, or if not for me, for the children.

Oh, and btw, if Nelson is lying, or MB is lying, or Dreamworks is lying, or Hasbro is lying, or the Almighty is lying (Bruce, Evan, or the real deal), and the Twins really are in the movie, I will be the first to come back to this thread and very contritely point out that the overreaction is still completely stupid.

Ed Fuego


HERE IS MY THEORY! michael bay said megatron WAS NOT going to be in the second one because
he died in the first one and he wanted the audience to be suprised when sam and mikaela landed in the
place, where the robot was going up sam's nasal canal...you know, the sam foundry scene. and he probally just wanted everybody to be like "what?! he's back" like the characters were in the movie. I
think that was cool, actually to try to play it off at first. that's part of the movie! the big climax of the movie is that megatron comes back, and was able to kill optimus... Sometimes actors, and directors BOTH try
to fool the audience until they actually see the movie. especially when it's an action movie with a lot of plotpoints and story happening. HOWEVER, the twins are not going to be a big part of the plot OBVIOUSLY (even if they were in the movie) SO WHY WOULD HE WANT TO LIE ABOUT THAT? they obviously got cut or something, so that's what i beleive. :borat Thumbs up if you agree, yo!!! haha

[TIMtationX]

This is the same kind of answer you gave on the actress that got fired...
So Michael Bay fired Skids and Mudflap too ?

Wingzero Ladies n Gentlemen.....He'll be here all week. Be sure to tip your waitress.

[Flyingheart]

Jeeezz! Getting tired of reading some comments on here from irritating people.

IT DOESNT COST THAT MUCH MONEY TO GET TWO MORE CARS ON THE SET, FILMING THEM FOR A FEW MOMENTS and just cutting them out of the movie! Try getting that through your thick skull please.
And you heard tha man, he said if they are in the movie they are new developed characters that may LOOK like the twins but they are not ok.

I trust ya Nelson all the way! even if Michael ordered you to say some things for our best interest. :cool::)

[Lbrosfilm]

WOW. I missed a one heck of a conversation. :p

Too bad about the Twins, though. I was looking forward to seeing them again.

Unless... they make it into a deleted scenes reel on the Blu-Ray! ;) (But it's highly unlikely that any robot mode shots could be a part of such a reel, however vehicle mode shots...)

[SDL]

I think it is a shame that it appears they aren't in the movie.... i actually really liked them... they had character, both visual and vocal...

But... what's done is done...

[Wolfblade]

Okay, so I'm home sick and this just made me feel so much better.

It's like watching my cat keep licking at the bowl when there's no milk left. Everything Nelson said has been completely dissected and repeatedly poked with a fork of distrust. Maybe he's lying, maybe he's not.

Like my therapist said, "Is it going to matter five years from now?".

By the way, Nelson, you took Michael Bay's baby platypus away from me. :(

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Jeeezz! Getting tired of reading some comments on here from irritating people.

IT DOESNT COST THAT MUCH MONEY TO GET TWO MORE CARS ON THE SET, FILMING THEM FOR A FEW MOMENTS and just cutting them out of the movie! Try getting that through your thick skull please.
And you heard tha man, he said if they are in the movie they are new developed characters that may LOOK like the twins but they are not ok.

I trust ya Nelson all the way! even if Michael ordered you to say some things for our best interest. :cool::)


you tell em' bro! haha :borat I agree!

[Albershide]

HERE IS MY THEORY! michael bay said megatron WAS NOT going to be in the second one because
he died in the first one and he wanted the audience to be suprised when sam and mikaela landed in the place

Well no too much of surprise. Megatron's concept for ROTF was the first to leak 9 months before the movie and Megatron was all over the trailers. :)


Nelson.... really not trying to be a pain or anything... i just don't understand, with what we have seen already, how they aren't in the finished DotM movie...

I really think that the Twins were meant to be in the movie but I guess the movie's length is huge and they have to cut out some scenes. Better to cut the Twins than anything else. I trust in Michael's decisions. I guess we'll get the Twins in the DVD. :)

[Faceh]

Maybe I must be some sort of genious because i got it from nelson's comments

the twins were on set as the sparks bay decided to film scenes with them both in and out he decided he didnt want them in the final cut so he used the scenes without them in.

as for weelie he was friends with a certain bot in the 1986 movie. I'm not saying hes in it but it is a small possibility.

or when the twins combine they become smart and are now the einstien bot hence no twins in the movie.

[Shadow]

Because the cars were on set... and i see no reason to have the cars there if they aren't part of the movie... Plus it would confuse the viewers if you have two vehicles that have toys called Skids & Mudflap... then have them turn into other robots...

Also, if Bay was only carting them about to confuse the fans... why start now? why waste the expenses of doing so...

if they aren't in the movie... then why were the vehicles seen on multiple locations? THAT is what is confusing me..Like i said... I can understand if Bay cut them for whatever reason and i understand Nelson saying no twins in the movie... but like I said many times, why tell us the Sparks are different characters but then turn around and say just because the Sparks were seen on set and filmed does not mean they made the cut. So the new Spark car characters that he said were different characters were cut now too? Thats what confuses me. Nelson made it sound like the Sparks would be different characters but then made it sound like the Sparks were cut out altogether.

And then turns around and says wheelie and Einstein bot are the new buddy combo and we can speculate on what their alt modes are but he wont reveal them when he said himself that Einstein bot was the blue benz? so who or what is a lie?

[Albershide]

as for weelie he was friends with a certain bot in the 1986 movie. I'm not saying hes in it but it is a small possibility.

or when the twins combine they become smart and are now the einstien bot hence no twins in the movie.

Yeah Wheelie was friend with Blurr in the cartoons but I don't see the Einstein Bot being Blurr. The color scheme matches though.... ;)

[Shadow]

Yeah Wheelie was friend with Blurr in the cartoons but I don't see the Einstein Bot being Blurr. The color scheme matches though.... ;)did it ever cross your mind that Nelson was hinting at that Wheelie will have another buddy but just threw Einstein Bot in as that buddy to throw everyone off?

[SDL]

there was a rumour a while back that Sam had a pair of small autobots as 'Pets'.... wonder if this is Wheelie and another mini-bot?

[Shadow]

there was a rumour a while back that Sam had a pair of small autobots as 'Pets'.... wonder if this is Wheelie and another mini-bot?that could very well be:borat

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Well no too much of surprise. Megatron's concept for ROTF was the first to leak 9 months before the movie and Megatron was all over the trailers. :)



I really think that the Twins were meant to be in the movie but I guess the movie's length is huge and they have to cut out some scenes. Better to cut the Twins than anything else. I trust in Michael's decisions. I guess we'll get the Twins in the DVD. :)

yeah, but you know what i mean :D it's not his fault the thing
leaked out. and yeah, he wanted to suprise everyone in the first
trailer...

[Sam Nickelson]

look what someone on TFLAMB posted...

Im just going to say... I love that that Shadow guy and Nelson are always calling each other out on things. Did anyone ever think that they are both in on the mis-information thing and working together? Nelson would have to know some things as he is the guy running a site dedicated to Bay and Shadow seems to know quite a bit himself and seems to be very sure about what he does know or believes to always be questioning Nelson. Also if it is mis-information... sorry Nelson, but Shadow at least seems to be better at the whole misleading thing and backs his statements up just a bit better.
2/22/2011 3:14 PM

[Flyingheart]

Just so you guys know i liked the Twins too its to bad but let hope they put the scenes on the Blu-ray :) uncut version, directors cut, theatrical version,...

And for those people who thought the Twins were racist in Rotf, can go suck it!
Yes i saw your stupid videos on youtube, they sucked, you sucked and so you everything that came out of your mouth sucked lol.

[I Fight Giant Robots]

Just so you guys know i liked the Twins too its to bad but let hope they put the scenes on the Blu-ray :) uncut version, directors cut, theatrical version,...

And for those people who thought the Twins were racist in Rotf, can go suck it!
Yes i saw your stupid videos on youtube, they sucked, you sucked and so you everything that came out of your mouth sucked lol.


dude, i agree! THEY ARE NOT RACIST. hahaha WHOEVER said they were racist are the people who are talking like RACISTS! here's why: They're saying "ohh that's so racist blah blah blah" and they're the ones saying "only a certain race of people talk this way. only a certain group of people talk like that. so its racist" and nooo..that's not the case. i didnt see that implied in the movie. the one's complaining are the one's who implied it!!!! :borat thumbs up if you agree!

[Crainy]

How about you take the Grindor/Blackout case into consideration when discussing the whole "Twins" shit? I believe nelson. I dont want the twins to be in the movie, anyways.

[sideswipeyoass]

Ferrari as Blurr??:p

[nelson]

NASCAR ad will be up in a while. Downloading and compressing as we speak.

[jamjam101]

NASCAR ad will be up in a while. Downloading and compressing as we speak.

Thank You Sir!

[mattimus prime]

is that just a nascar ad or anther ad for TF DOTM

[nelson]

is that just a nascar ad or anther ad for tf dotm

the nascar ad.

[Wolfblade]

Ferrari as Blurr??:p

I'd say "heck yeah" if they gave him his TFA persona. He died too fast in TFA.

[Wolfblade]

And for those people who thought the Twins were racist in Rotf, can go suck it!
Yes i saw your stupid videos on youtube, they sucked, you sucked and so you everything that came out of your mouth sucked lol.

Wow. It's fine to have your own opinion and all, but there's no reason to be nasty to someone with a different perspective than you. You demolish your own argument by beating down others' arguments to make yours. Not cool. I personally don't care on the subject but I don't appreciate people taking their ideas and turning them in to neanderthals' clubs and beating everyone else upside the head with it.

[mattimus prime]

the nascar ad.

ohh okay lol nascar is pretty cool sometimes
but i tell you what those wreckers are pretty damn sexy