What Transformers 3 needs

[troyh2012]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNUOSQhTm2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI8GJLqLukA

I'm not sure what all of you think about what Transformers 3 needs and does not need, but i think that it needs more scenes that are more dramatic. such as the scene in Transformers when all the autobots find the coordinates to the all sparks location, or the scene when the autobots land and introduce themselves to Sam and Mikeala.

I felt that Transformers 2 had great action scenes, and don't get me wrong i loved that movie, but i felt as if there were not enough scenes that were dramatic and i felt as if it was missing a lot. There were not enough scenes of the Autobots have conversations with each other. I just felt as if Transformers 2 had something missing that they should have in the 3rd movie.

what do you think Transformers 3 needs?

[Michael Do]

tf3 needs more MOAB!

[phoenixgirl]

Awe-inspiring scenes are always welcome. I still get chills down my spine when I see the autobots come to earth. Not so many of those in ROTF. Many scenes were more the ones that made your mouth drop wondering WHAT WAS THAT!?
Demolisher busting the bridge, Devastator busting the pyramid, you know.

[troyh2012]

Awe-inspiring scenes are always welcome. I still get chills down my spine when I see the autobots come to earth. Not so many of those in ROTF. Many scenes were more the ones that made your mouth drop wondering WHAT WAS THAT!?
Demolisher busting the bridge, Devastator busting the pyramid, you know.

yeah, i agree with you. but transformers 3 needs both of those kinds of moments.

[sora]

Some thought-provoking and emotional moments between breathtaking actions would be highly appreciated. :)

[BIG Tee]

A combination of TF1's character development along with ROTF's action.

[EpicBacons]

1) The Scorponok score needs to return this time around, in some form.

2) The screen time between the Transformers and the humans needs to balanced and equal. I think this is everyones main problem.

3) Megatron needs to act like a megalomaniac, an evil prick and more sinister. I also think he needs to a have bigger role.

4) Intergallactic would be ideal, I think Cybertron would be a fantastic place to have an arena of battle and a place for exploration, like Egypt, but its a place that would be visually appealing.

5) Less profanity in these movies, its time to take it self seriously. That said, I don't mind dark humour at all and would love to see that implemented.

6) More Starscream, and especially some Starscream vs. Megatron power struggle moments with a little humour to it would be great.

[troyh2012]

A combination of TF1's character development along with ROTF's action.

exactly.

[Shadow]

exactly.X2;)

[BIG Tee]

4) Intergallactic would be ideal, I think Cybertron would be a fantastic place to have an arena of battle and a place for exploration, like Egypt, but its a place that would be visually appealing.

6) More Starscream, and especially some Starscream vs. Megatron power struggle moments with a little humour to it would be great.

I agree on all points but especially these two. I mean why not explore the planet these alien robots came from? We know about our planet. It's Cybertron time.

And yes we need to see Sreamer plot against Megatron. I would also like him to use the sarcastic "mighty Megatron" line. That really ruffles Megatron's feathers.

[TIMtationX]

More cowbell.

[snipperoth]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2963609700_af384097a6_o.jpg

[CesarCardoso]

:eek::confused::wtfreferring to snipperoth's signature: Dude, seek help, thats just sick!!!

[snipperoth]

:eek::confused::wtfreferring to snipperoth's signature: Dude, seek help, thats just sick!!!
Blame my sister! coz she is the one who dropped tons of chuck norris quote's on my ass.

[XxSoundwavexX]

what the next film needs is to stop killing off the decepticons so EZ,and more soundwave :D

[Mech_1000]

I would kind of like to see what this movie would look like if it were rated R. I'm not talking about sex/nude scenes, but more violent action. But I guess that would take a lot away from the box office sales.

[BIG Tee]

what the next film needs is to stop killing off the decepticons so EZ,and more soundwave :D
I second that. Only 2 Autobot casualties and only 3 surviving Decepticons. Fortunately they are the 3 most important D-cons.

[XxSoundwavexX]

I second that. Only 2 Autobot casualties and only 3 surviving Decepticons. Fortunately they are the 3 most important D-cons.
lets hope they make them shine atleast once in the 3rd film.

[mrmac33]

A plot.

[nlg2076]

This explanation is a little lengthy, however, worth reading for it has many great points and ideas



The Beginning of the End for the New Generation 1 Transformers


Preface: How I see it

I look at the new Transformers Movies as the new Generation 1 Transformers. With Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg taking control of Transformers there is new hope for the robots. With 2 movies already in the can, there is room for a third and forth movie to be made by these visionaries. If they wind up making 2 more movies, with the current cast, you could round out a great story and wrap up a new Generation 1 Transformers. Here is a small write-up of how I would love to see this happen.



Section 1: More story more money... Transformers 3 and 4 should be 1 story line & 2 movies

The third and fourth Transformers movie should be 1 continued story. An example of this is Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Mans Chest and At World's End. The story in these movies continued from one movie to the next making the whole tale of Davie Jones 5 hours and 19 minutes. Financially, both these movies were a huge success grossing a combined total of 2 billion dollars. If you look at other trilogies such as Lord of the Rings; Aliens-1,2,3; plus Indiana Joes which was 4 movies; you will see a constant incline in profits from one movie to it's sequel.


Section 2: 2 main story arcs

In the third movie, the humans have a larger story arc than the robots. Subsequently, in the forth movie the robots have a larger story arc than the humans. Basically the third movie has a lot more human driven elements in it that roll over to the forth movie and die out in it's first act. On the flip side, the robot driven elements of the story will start the rising action in the third act of the third movie and climax at the end of the forth movie.


Section 3: The Human Element

Without keeping a human cast when introducing a new story line for the series, the audience will loose interest in the story immediately. Looking at 3 very successful films: The Green Mile, Star Wars, and Tron there was a single common element that if not present, would have destroyed the movie's continuity... the human element. All of these movies had protagonists with some rather unrealistic powers. However, all the movies depended on the strength of the human soul to overcome adversity. Michael Bay should keep the Human world and the Armed forces in this series for the third and part of the forth movie.


Section 4: New Main Robots ideas

The Transformers mentioned here had a rather large part for Gen-1 Transformers. By adding the following robots into the third and forth movies Bay could tell one-hell of a phenomenal story.

Unicorn
Stunticons
Rodimus
Springer
Omega Supreme
Scourge


Section 5: Plot

Transformers 3

Michael Bay wants to take the Transformers story sideways for in-depth character development and to introduce a new element to the series. To keep the human element involved, the humans and the Autobots spend a portion of the third movie reconstructing the history of the Transformers race including the The Primes, Cybertron, the Allspark, Captain Archibald Witwicky, S7, etc... Basically a back and forth of history with what is going on today, similarly to Dracula 2000. On a side note, the history of Dracula is the only part of Dracula 2000 worth watching. By going through the history in the first and second act, you can introduce a current plot coming from outer-space... Unicorn. The humans can help the Autobots start their mission into space to fight this monster. The Autobots send a distress signal into Space for help to save their race.

Transformers 4

The Autobots Launch a revolt against Unicorn using some of the elements of the 1986 Transformers movie. Almost a modern remake of the Gen-1 movie. To defeat Unicorn and other Decepticons, the Autobots need to create a new Allspark from another sun. The sun was found by an autobot that answered the call from the end of the third movie, Rodimus. The Autobots use the new Allspark to create Omega Supreme who defeats Unicorn. The Autobots then come back to Earth to finish assembly of the new Allspark complete with the history gathered from the third movie. Thus completing the story of the Allspark, and rounding out a great story as to the transformers here on Earth. I figure that this could end one chapter of the transformers story.


Section 6: Practicality

When putting all of these CGI robots next to one another, such as Ironhide attacking Unicorn, you can use a low-poly model of Ironhide with a medium definition texture while using a medium poly and high definition texture for Unicorn. When doing a medium range / close up shot you can use a lower poly model of Unicorn with a high definition texture while using a high definition texture and high poly model of ironhide. When you are up-close to something so massive, you won't see all of it in frame, so subsequently you don't need to render out the whole object. Camera blocking is going to be key here. If you think about an X-Wing attacking the Death Star, you see very organic shapes: rectangles and spheres; including a horizon because the Death Star is so massive when you are actually next to it. So, the use of low-poly shapes is not so far fetched when placing a high-definition texture over the model.


Section 7: I'm not a know-it-all

After watching the 2007 Transformers in the theaters, while leaving the cineplex, I turned to my friends and said that they are going to have to kill Optimun in the second movie. They all said I was crazy, but I had a good feeling about my statement... it made sense. I think that the ideas above, when extrapolated into a broader story is something that the Transformer fans will want to see. With the story moving away from Earth, the robots can transform into new exciting machines with more cyber-organic shapes such as Megatron as a spaceship on earth in the first movie. The new environment allows for more creative ideas to flow onto the big-screen.


Section 8: To sum up

As a film student who has a passion for film I truly want a well-rounded out 3rd and 4th story for this franchise. Besides, 2 movies making $2 billion dollars is better than 1 movie making $1 billion dollars. And if done right, I feel that Transformers 3 and 4 can set a record for a movie series making the most $$$ ever.

[rumble02]

I think tf3 needs a couple of things. First me on Film getting killed by a Decepticon. second is wheeljack. and fourth would be soundwave coming to earth and revealing how powerful he can be.

[troyh2012]

This explanation is a little lengthy, however, worth reading for it has many great points and ideas



The Beginning of the End for the New Generation 1 Transformers


Preface: How I see it

I look at the new Transformers Movies as the new Generation 1 Transformers. With Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg taking control of Transformers there is new hope for the robots. With 2 movies already in the can, there is room for a third and forth movie to be made by these visionaries. If they wind up making 2 more movies, with the current cast, you could round out a great story and wrap up a new Generation 1 Transformers. Here is a small write-up of how I would love to see this happen.



Section 1: More story more money... Transformers 3 and 4 should be 1 story line & 2 movies

The third and fourth Transformers movie should be 1 continued story. An example of this is Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Mans Chest and At World's End. The story in these movies continued from one movie to the next making the whole tale of Davie Jones 5 hours and 19 minutes. Financially, both these movies were a huge success grossing a combined total of 2 billion dollars. If you look at other trilogies such as Lord of the Rings; Aliens-1,2,3; plus Indiana Joes which was 4 movies; you will see a constant incline in profits from one movie to it's sequel.


Section 2: 2 main story arcs

In the third movie, the humans have a larger story arc than the robots. Subsequently, in the forth movie the robots have a larger story arc than the humans. Basically the third movie has a lot more human driven elements in it that roll over to the forth movie and die out in it's first act. On the flip side, the robot driven elements of the story will start the rising action in the third act of the third movie and climax at the end of the forth movie.


Section 3: The Human Element

Without keeping a human cast when introducing a new story line for the series, the audience will loose interest in the story immediately. Looking at 3 very successful films: The Green Mile, Star Wars, and Tron there was a single common element that if not present, would have destroyed the movie's continuity... the human element. All of these movies had protagonists with some rather unrealistic powers. However, all the movies depended on the strength of the human soul to overcome adversity. Michael Bay should keep the Human world and the Armed forces in this series for the third and part of the forth movie.


Section 4: New Main Robots ideas

The Transformers mentioned here had a rather large part for Gen-1 Transformers. By adding the following robots into the third and forth movies Bay could tell one-hell of a phenomenal story.

Unicorn
Stunticons
Rodimus
Springer
Omega Supreme
Scourge


Section 5: Plot

Transformers 3

Michael Bay wants to take the Transformers story sideways for in-depth character development and to introduce a new element to the series. To keep the human element involved, the humans and the Autobots spend a portion of the third movie reconstructing the history of the Transformers race including the The Primes, Cybertron, the Allspark, Captain Archibald Witwicky, S7, etc... Basically a back and forth of history with what is going on today, similarly to Dracula 2000. On a side note, the history of Dracula is the only part of Dracula 2000 worth watching. By going through the history in the first and second act, you can introduce a current plot coming from outer-space... Unicorn. The humans can help the Autobots start their mission into space to fight this monster. The Autobots send a distress signal into Space for help to save their race.

Transformers 4

The Autobots Launch a revolt against Unicorn using some of the elements of the 1986 Transformers movie. Almost a modern remake of the Gen-1 movie. To defeat Unicorn and other Decepticons, the Autobots need to create a new Allspark from another sun. The sun was found by an autobot that answered the call from the end of the third movie, Rodimus. The Autobots use the new Allspark to create Omega Supreme who defeats Unicorn. The Autobots then come back to Earth to finish assembly of the new Allspark complete with the history gathered from the third movie. Thus completing the story of the Allspark, and rounding out a great story as to the transformers here on Earth. I figure that this could end one chapter of the transformers story.


Section 6: Practicality

When putting all of these CGI robots next to one another, such as Ironhide attacking Unicorn, you can use a low-poly model of Ironhide with a medium definition texture while using a medium poly and high definition texture for Unicorn. When doing a medium range / close up shot you can use a lower poly model of Unicorn with a high definition texture while using a high definition texture and high poly model of ironhide. When you are up-close to something so massive, you won't see all of it in frame, so subsequently you don't need to render out the whole object. Camera blocking is going to be key here. If you think about an X-Wing attacking the Death Star, you see very organic shapes: rectangles and spheres; including a horizon because the Death Star is so massive when you are actually next to it. So, the use of low-poly shapes is not so far fetched when placing a high-definition texture over the model.


Section 7: I'm not a know-it-all

After watching the 2007 Transformers in the theaters, while leaving the cineplex, I turned to my friends and said that they are going to have to kill Optimun in the second movie. They all said I was crazy, but I had a good feeling about my statement... it made sense. I think that the ideas above, when extrapolated into a broader story is something that the Transformer fans will want to see. With the story moving away from Earth, the robots can transform into new exciting machines with more cyber-organic shapes such as Megatron as a spaceship on earth in the first movie. The new environment allows for more creative ideas to flow onto the big-screen.


Section 8: To sum up

As a film student who has a passion for film I truly want a well-rounded out 3rd and 4th story for this franchise. Besides, 2 movies making $2 billion dollars is better than 1 movie making $1 billion dollars. And if done right, I feel that Transformers 3 and 4 can set a record for a movie series making the most $$$ ever.
wow. well thought of. do you attend a film school of some sort?

[megatron42]

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[Z28 Autobot]

A plot.
I was waiting for that.....didnt take long though..or better yet...a story thats coherent.

and this:

Section 2: 2 main story arcs

In the third movie, the humans have a larger story arc than the robots. Subsequently, in the forth movie the robots have a larger story arc than the humans. Basically the third movie has a lot more human driven elements in it that roll over to the forth movie and die out in it's first act. On the flip side, the robot driven elements of the story will start the rising action in the third act of the third movie and climax at the end of the forth movie.


Section 3: The Human Element

Without keeping a human cast when introducing a new story line for the series, the audience will loose interest in the story immediately. Looking at 3 very successful films: The Green Mile, Star Wars, and Tron there was a single common element that if not present, would have destroyed the movie's continuity... the human element. All of these movies had protagonists with some rather unrealistic powers. However, all the movies depended on the strength of the human soul to overcome adversity. Michael Bay should keep the Human world and the Armed forces in this series for the third and part of the forth movie.

:wtf More human time....I appreciate you thought out ways of doing this movie. But the problem is..people want to see giant fucking robots! They do not want to see a movie where the POA is showing off something every scene, though not a bad thing for a few times or the boy and his robot yelling "no no no no no" every time he is on camera.
Wrong. We need more robots. By now people know this movie is called TRANSFORMERS..ROBOTS..get it? There are plenty of movies out there that the humans played second fiddle to the man role(s).

Everyone is screaming to much humans in both.:deadhorse1:

[ARCEE^_^]

why?
I think there should be a new type of even more babass Dcon that is way kwler than Megs!
i wheelie would beat Megs in a fight these days!
lmao

[jamjam101]

Section 2: 2 main story arcs

In the third movie, the humans have a larger story arc than the robots.

I agree. More humans are required.

[matthew]

yeah absolutely! more dramatic scene. especially with Optimus. and I love these Decepticons assault scenes like Frenzy hacks Air Force One or Ravage recovering the shard.these scenes are really awesome.if you look carefully during these scenes the audience is always really quiet. and of course we need really loud music from Steve. I really like that weird sound in ROTF what he created.(mostly you can hear in the Shard)

[Z28 Autobot]

More humans..in a robot movie..why not call it GI Joe??? hahaha

I say more action a good plot that flows. The humans should be part of the plot. Not the plot. A good car chase would be nice. It has not been done yet. You have Autobots..CARS..Think of the Matix's car chase in the 2nd one..Now put bots in thier place..think about it. a good 20 min chase of transforming, burning rubber and fights all along a highway..blowing shit up. Bumblebee was made for that. heck bring the Stunticons in for that. Or Runabout and Runamok..;)

[Bot Girl]

More humans..in a robot movie..why not call it GI Joe??? hahaha

I say more action a good plot that flows. The humans should be part of the plot. Not the plot. A good car chase would be nice. It has not been done yet. You have Autobots..CARS..Think of the Matix's car chase in the 2nd one..Now put bots in thier place..think about it. a good 20 min chase of transforming, burning rubber and fights all along a highway..blowing shit up. Bumblebee was made for that. heck bring the Stunticons in for that. Or Runabout and Runamok..;)

Yes yes yes!

[ARCEE^_^]

http://www.nochucknorris.com/

[troyh2012]

I was waiting for that.....didnt take long though..or better yet...a story thats coherent.

and this:


:wtf More human time....I appreciate you thought out ways of doing this movie. But the problem is..people want to see giant fucking robots! They do not want to see a movie where the POA is showing off something every scene, though not a bad thing for a few times or the boy and his robot yelling "no no no no no" every time he is on camera.
Wrong. We need more robots. By now people know this movie is called TRANSFORMERS..ROBOTS..get it? There are plenty of movies out there that the humans played second fiddle to the man role(s).

Everyone is screaming to much humans in both.:deadhorse1:
well, i would have to disagree with you on that one. die hard Transformers fans want more robots. but many of the movie viewers that just like the movies thought that this one had too many robots. Transformers NEEDS humans in order to make money. if shia or megan were not in this movie, then the movie would not make nearly as much money. Most of the people that are just fans of the movies loved the first one, but thought the second one was not as good. Transformers had more humans in it than robots. Transformers 2 had more robots and less humans. i think it is safe to say that more people liked the first Transformers over the second. I think that they should make the third one like the first.

[BIG Tee]

well, i would have to disagree with you on that one. die hard Transformers fans want more robots. but many of the movie viewers that just like the movies thought that this one had too many robots. Transformers NEEDS humans in order to make money. if shia or megan were not in this movie, then the movie would not make nearly as much money. Most of the people that are just fans of the movies loved the first one, but thought the second one was not as good. Transformers had more humans in it than robots. Transformers 2 had more robots and less humans. i think it is safe to say that more people liked the first Transformers over the second. I think that they should make the third one like the first.

The problem with ROTF was not more robots but, robots that weren't developed or very poorly developed. For example: the Constructicons had zero development except that they rebuilt Megatron and formed Devastator. As awesome as the Constructicons/Devastator were in G1, ROTF didn't take advantage of developing their characters. Also Sideswipe was poorly developed. He is an awesome character but the average viewer couldn't tell. Soundwave was poorly developed as was the Arcees. As far as Jolt...HA, the average viewer couldn't even tell you his name. IMO we didn't need the twins or Leo. Their screen time could have been used to developed the above characters.

[allison0z]

I agree to much people time. More autobot time! =D like if iron hide tried to race NASCARs and then he transformes and cases a piled up( with NO fatalities) and just c him coastin thro the finish line. Yeah I know that's random

[chatterbox]

whaat???????????? toooo many robots in a robot film??????lmaolmaolmao

[Bot Girl]

I agree to much people time. More autobot time! =D like if iron hide tried to race NASCARs and then he transformes and cases a piled up( with NO fatalities) and just c him coastin thro the finish line. Yeah I know that's random

Oorrrr. . .Redneck truck racing!lmao

[BIG Tee]

whaat???????????? toooo many robots in a robot film??????lmaolmaolmao
Yeah, how preposterous.

[Swift]

Oorrrr. . .Redneck truck racing!lmao

LOL That was too funny BG.

But MOAR ROBOTZ

[Drake]

More cowbell.

[allison0z]

lmao

[Bot Girl]

I have to second (Third? Fourth? seventeenth?) the more robot thing. Develop the characters of the main Bots and Cons more. Character arc is always good.

[Z28 Autobot]

well, i would have to disagree with you on that one. die hard Transformers fans want more robots. but many of the movie viewers that just like the movies thought that this one had too many robots. Transformers NEEDS humans in order to make money. if shia or megan were not in this movie, then the movie would not make nearly as much money. Most of the people that are just fans of the movies loved the first one, but thought the second one was not as good. Transformers had more humans in it than robots. Transformers 2 had more robots and less humans. i think it is safe to say that more people liked the first Transformers over the second. I think that they should make the third one like the first.

No it sucks not because it had more robots. It sucked because of the bad plot, script and errors in the movie. That culminated in many fans of both film and property into a collective WTF???

Especially in a 3rd film. Sure the first film..your on earth..plot point Humans finding out about them..thats fine. and expected. 2nd film. Plot point revolving around humans. Not good. Army involved is a good idea so a lot of background humans a plus.
3rd movie..these bots should stand on thier own. 2 reasons:
They have built up the story and idea that they need no intro or help to stand on thier own. Sam should not be the focus on a story about robots. Especially in the 3rd movie. It was done in the 1st and overkill in the 2nd. People bitched because there was to much of them. You could of killed about 20 min of human time in the movie and added so much more story to who and what the TF are.
the second reason..walk down the toy isle. Are there 15 versions of Sam or 7 versions of Mekela or the Mom and Dad at home action playset? No..there is a whole section devoted to what should be the stars...TRANSFORMERS..I dont see a Sam W. tribute edition Camaro from GM.

Not being mean but being blunt...movie goers want to see TF. Not more humans. And I could rattle off 10 blcokbuster movies in the last decade that did not revolve around humans that took in hefty money at the box office.

[allison0z]

Not really more quantity, just more quality of robots. And more interactions between robots. =]

[Z28 Autobot]

Not really more quantity, just more quality of robots. And more interactions between robots. =]

yea that would work.

[BIG Tee]

We need to see Optimus surfing:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/transformers/images/a/ae/SurfsUp.jpg

[Bot Girl]

^^Yes, yes, we do!

[Jazz935]

I second^^ ;) I just watched that one the other day too!

[BIG Tee]

I just watched it with my son 30 minutes ago.

[Bot Girl]

I just watched it with my son 30 minutes ago.

Wait, is TFA on again and I missed it????

[BIG Tee]

Wait, is TFA on again and I missed it????
We watched it on DVD. I think I we have watched the complete G1 series three times over 2 months.

[Jazz935]

Sounds like me.. I have been rotating through Season 1 and half of season 2 along with TF animated..just keep looping it around.. But lately I have been hooked on reading bunches of fanfics.

[BIG Tee]

Sounds like me.. I have been rotating through Season 1 and half of season 2 along with TF animated..just keep looping it around.. But lately I have been hooked on reading bunches of fanfics.
I like Animated also and The Unicron Trilogy. Some of the youth on this thread told me to give it a shot and I like them. But it doesn't beat good ole' g1. Where do you get your fanfic material from. I've read most of the comics but no fanfics.

[baddog]

just a good story.. Michael Bay does it well rest of it.

there should be more transforming (with voice) more chasing scenes (my favourite) shock attack scenes ( for example, while sam and mikaela are speaking at the cafee, suddenly decepticons attack them. booom !! everyone is shocked )

more arielbot decepticon... powerful and killer decepticons..

Tf3 need that

[troyh2012]

No it sucks not because it had more robots. It sucked because of the bad plot, script and errors in the movie. That culminated in many fans of both film and property into a collective WTF???

Especially in a 3rd film. Sure the first film..your on earth..plot point Humans finding out about them..thats fine. and expected. 2nd film. Plot point revolving around humans. Not good. Army involved is a good idea so a lot of background humans a plus.
3rd movie..these bots should stand on thier own. 2 reasons:
They have built up the story and idea that they need no intro or help to stand on thier own. Sam should not be the focus on a story about robots. Especially in the 3rd movie. It was done in the 1st and overkill in the 2nd. People bitched because there was to much of them. You could of killed about 20 min of human time in the movie and added so much more story to who and what the TF are.
the second reason..walk down the toy isle. Are there 15 versions of Sam or 7 versions of Mekela or the Mom and Dad at home action playset? No..there is a whole section devoted to what should be the stars...TRANSFORMERS..I dont see a Sam W. tribute edition Camaro from GM.

Not being mean but being blunt...movie goers want to see TF. Not more humans. And I could rattle off 10 blcokbuster movies in the last decade that did not revolve around humans that took in hefty money at the box office.
So you are trying to tell me that Transformers 3 would still be a success with out megan and shia? you're wrong. i'm pretty sure if they made another Transformers with out shia and megan, or even with out humans then it would not make as much money. sure, every one on these forums will enjoy it and so will the die hard Transformers fans, but some people complained about how many robots were in ROTF. yes, movie goers watch Transformers to see Transformers. obviously. but i'm saying that you need humans as well to make it a successful movie. If you made the entire movie on cybertron and with just Transformers, do you think EVERYONE will enjoy the movie? Transformers was such a success because it covered a different viraety of generas. It was a sci-fi action movie, it was a teen movie at times, and michael bay threw in some comedy. he did this so EVERYONE would enjoy it. He wanted to make a movie that could entertain every one. and you stated that people bitched about sam and mikeala being in too much of the second film. who is every one, and were did you hear that?

[EpicBacons]

Firstly, nobody knew of Shia and Megan before Transformers, so that is irrelevant. Mostly everybody watched it because they watched some form of the Transformers cartoons. Most people's gripe is it tried to be too many things at once, it wasn't a serious movie as it could of been. It tried to be a date movie and a Will Ferrell comedy movie, than a movie about these robotic creatures from another planet and how it affects a young man.

People look at the posters, they see Optimus Prime, they see the Fallen's face, they see Bumblebee and they say Megatron and Starscream. That's what people see and go to the movies to see. Sure, people go to see Megan now but that doesn't have a huge effect, and none go to see them act. Just my opinion.

[redqueenar]

Firstly, nobody knew of Shia and Megan before Transformers, so that is irrelevant. Mostly everybody watched it because they watched some form of the Transformers cartoons. Most people's gripe is it tried to be too many things at once, it wasn't a serious movie as it could of been. It tried to be a date movie and a Will Ferrell comedy movie, than a movie about these robotic creatures from another planet and how it affects a young man.

It's called broad appeal, and it's actually a key to the film's success. And Shia has been a working actor since he was a child. He has lots and lots and lots of young female fans from his Even Stevens era on Nickleodeon and the film Holes.

[Swift]

Firstly, nobody knew of Shia and Megan before Transformers, so that is irrelevant. Mostly everybody watched it because they watched some form of the Transformers cartoons. Most people's gripe is it tried to be too many things at once, it wasn't a serious movie as it could of been. It tried to be a date movie and a Will Ferrell comedy movie, than a movie about these robotic creatures from another planet and how it affects a young man.

People look at the posters, they see Optimus Prime, they see the Fallen's face, they see Bumblebee and they say Megatron and Starscream. That's what people see and go to the movies to see. Sure, people go to see Megan now but that doesn't have a huge effect, and none go to see them act. Just my opinion.

Didn't Megan star in that Lindsey Lohan movie?

[megatron42]

yes she did confessions of a teenage drama queen.. she played carla

[EpicBacons]

It's called broad appeal, and it's actually a key to the film's success. And Shia has been a working actor since he was a child. He has lots and lots and lots of young female fans from his Even Stevens era on Nickleodeon and the film Holes.

so transformers is a soft core porno AMIRITE? :confused:

Like I said, nobody knew of them before Transformers. Nobody knew of Megan Fox before Transformers, now she's a hot commodity in Hollywood. The casual movie goers never heard of Shia Labeouf, until Steven Spielberg gave him a call.


Didn't Megan star in that Lindsey Lohan movie?

Well, I wouldn't say she was a "star" of that movie, she had a role. The antagonist role.

[allison0z]

so transformers is a soft core porno AMIRITE? :confused:

Like I said, nobody knew of them before Transformers. Nobody knew of Megan Fox before Transformers, now she's a hot commodity in Hollywood. The casual movie goers never heard of Shia Labeouf, until Steven Spielberg gave him a call.



Well, I wouldn't say she was a "star" of that movie, she had a role. The antagonist role.

well actualty i herd of megan fox and shia long b4 transformers, but yeah transformers def made they more poular

[taybrian1]

I think they need a dynamic between the bots that do kind of give them a human quality. They are capable of friendship, but are they capable of love?

Is it also possible that there are pretenders around the world that don't know what they really are? What about the seekers as well? There are many still out there that are dormant.

[allison0z]

I think they need a dynamic between the bots that do kind of give them a human quality. They are capable of friendship, but are they capable of love?

Is it also possible that there are pretenders around the world that don't know what they really are? What about the seekers as well? There are many still out there that are dormant.

i dont think love would be a good emotion to use for the autobots. like for when sam said love ya bee, when he was parting 4 callage in the2nd one, that was approptite. but for for like iron hide 2 say like, i love .... that would be kinda strange.

[BIG Tee]

so transformers is a soft core porno AMIRITE? :confused:

Like I said, nobody knew of them before Transformers. Nobody knew of Megan Fox before Transformers, now she's a hot commodity in Hollywood. The casual movie goers never heard of Shia Labeouf, until Steven Spielberg gave him a call.



Well, I wouldn't say she was a "star" of that movie, she had a role. The antagonist role.
I think because of their age and types of movies they have played in the past (teenage movies and tv shows) they were popular, but only in their particular age range like 12-17. Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen, Holes, and Even Stevens I would call teenage/preteen entertainment. If you would have asked the average 18-34 year old 3 years ago who Shia and Megan are they wouldn't be able to tell you. I know I wouldn't have and I took my oldest daughter to see Holes. TF definitely put those two actors on the A.

[Trailbreaker]

I knew who Shia was before Transformers. The main reason is because of his name, it's unmistakable. When I heard he was playing Sam in Transformers I was like "Oh he played Stanley Yelnats in Holes!"

[BIG Tee]

So you are trying to tell me that Transformers 3 would still be a success with out megan and shia? you're wrong. i'm pretty sure if they made another Transformers with out shia and megan, or even with out humans then it would not make as much money. sure, every one on these forums will enjoy it and so will the die hard Transformers fans, but some people complained about how many robots were in ROTF. yes, movie goers watch Transformers to see Transformers. obviously. but i'm saying that you need humans as well to make it a successful movie. If you made the entire movie on cybertron and with just Transformers, do you think EVERYONE will enjoy the movie? Transformers was such a success because it covered a different viraety of generas. It was a sci-fi action movie, it was a teen movie at times, and michael bay threw in some comedy. he did this so EVERYONE would enjoy it. He wanted to make a movie that could entertain every one. and you stated that people bitched about sam and mikeala being in too much of the second film. who is every one, and were did you hear that?
Again no one is saying make the movie entirely of robots. Nobody. The chief complaint is character development or lack there of among the robots. As I posted before the Constructicons were awesome as far as G1 is concerned. They could have really built a great side story for them. But they were all killed and Devestator was wiped out with the rail gun. Sideswipe no development. Soundwave, no development. Jolt, the average movie goer didn't even know his name.

Secondly, I don't go to Shia or Megan. As Epic said earlier we see Prime, Megatron, Starscream, BB, etc. and we are like holy crap, I've got to see this. They should make TF centered around just that, Transformers and not Shia and Megan. When the trailers are released the first thing we see are robots. So that's what we expect, but we need character development among the robots. We know Sam, we know Mikaela but who is Starscream, Soundwave, what is Megatron's motives, and we all hear that Starscream wants to dethrone Megs, but in the movies no one can tell. There should be balance.

[BIG Tee]

I knew who Shia was before Transformers. The main reason is because of his name, it's unmistakable. When I heard he was playing Sam in Transformers I was like "Oh he played Stanley Yelnats in Holes!"
Yes, but that's probably because you were like 13 or 14 when holes was released and Holes catered to that age range. It's like when I was young not many could tell you who Johnny Depp was unless they watched 21 Jump Street in which I was a big fan of. Even though he played in minor movie roles in the past he wasn't recognized as a great actor until Edward Scissorhands.

[Trailbreaker]

Now would it be okay to have a ton of robot screen time in the movie but still have most of it from the human point of view? Because having the camera down at our level looking up at the robots makes them seem more impressive than having it at their level all the time.

[Trailbreaker]

Yes, but that's probably because you were like 13 or 14 when holes was released and Holes catered to that age range. It's like when I was young not many could tell you who Johnny Depp was unless they watched 21 Jump Street in which I was a big fan of. Even though he played in minor movie roles in the past he wasn't recognized as a great actor until Edward Scissorhands.
I was actually younger! lol

[BIG Tee]

Now would it be okay to have a ton of robot screen time in the movie but still have most of it from the human point of view? Because having the camera down at our level looking up at the robots makes them seem more impressive than having it at their level all the time.
Oh yes because you still want that human element. That's what made TF1 so awesome because the camera was pretty much always from Sam's POV which made them look massive especially when Prime transformed and as he stood up the camera followed him all the way up. I was like WOW!!! They def should keep the camera angles from a human POV.

[BIG Tee]

I was actually younger! lol

11?

[EpicBacons]

Now would it be okay to have a ton of robot screen time in the movie but still have most of it from the human point of view? Because having the camera down at our level looking up at the robots makes them seem more impressive than having it at their level all the time.

In my opinion, I think it should be balanced. It should be equal, since its called Transformers. The humans interact with the robots and the robots interact with the humans, and so on and so forth. That also can be fixed, I guess (camera angles).

I just want to see more Cybertronian characterization, than rather bland robot characterization.

[EpicBacons]

Again no one is saying make the movie entirely of robots. Nobody. The chief complaint is character development or lack there of among the robots. As I posted before the Constructicons were awesome as far as G1 is concerned. They could have really built a great side story for them. But they were all killed and Devestator was wiped out with the rail gun. Sideswipe no development. Soundwave, no development. Jolt, the average movie goer didn't even know his name.

Secondly, I don't go to Shia or Megan. As Epic said earlier we see Prime, Megatron, Starscream, BB, etc. and we are like holy crap, I've got to see this. They should make TF centered around just that, Transformers and not Shia and Megan. When the trailers are released the first thing we see are robots. So that's what we expect, but we need character development among the robots. We know Sam, we know Mikaela but who is Starscream, Soundwave, what is Megatron's motives, and we all hear that Starscream wants to dethrone Megs, but in the movies no one can tell. There should be balance.

Yeah exactly, thats why I payed to see these movies. Not just the nostalgaic value of these characters, but because of what they are now. Is it too much to ask for Megatron to have a major impact in the movies? Soundwave? What about Starscream on how he can be a better leader?

[Trailbreaker]

11?
10 and a half.

[ARCEE^_^]

a SOLID story!

[Trailbreaker]

a SOLID story!
How about a LIQUID story!

Or a GAS story!

lmao

[ARCEE^_^]

u know what i mean!
:offtopic

[Trailbreaker]

u know what i mean!
:offtopic
I know, I just had to poke fun at your large, colorful font. :p

[ARCEE^_^]

is there a problem
with my large colourful font?lmao

[allison0z]

No politics

[Trigger Mike]

What Transformers 3 needs?

1) A tight plot.
2) Three-dimensional characters.
3) The death of the following characters during the opening credits:


Sam Witwicky
Mikaela Banes
Seymour Simmons
Ron Witwicky
Judy Witwicky

[ARCEE^_^]

now all u have to do is persuade Mr Bay to kill them!

[Trailbreaker]

now all u have to do is persuade Mr Bay to kill them!
He's capable of it. :D

*KABOOM*

[ARCEE^_^]

well thats Mr Bay for ya!
lmao

[BIG Tee]

What Transformers 3 needs?

1) A tight plot.
2) Three-dimensional characters.
3) The death of the following characters during the opening credits:


Sam Witwicky
Mikaela Banes
Seymour Simmons
Ron Witwicky
Judy Witwicky
I don't think we will see any of those people dying especially during the opening credits. The parents could play lesser roles now that Sam is in college or if he even decides to return to college.

[chatterbox]

u know what i mean!
:offtopic

yes i know what you mean, VAVOLINE

[allison0z]

I don't think he should kill off any of the major charaters.

[EpicBacons]

What Transformers 3 needs?

1) A tight plot.
2) Three-dimensional characters.
3) The death of the following characters during the opening credits:


Sam Witwicky
Mikaela Banes
Seymour Simmons
Ron Witwicky
Judy Witwicky


Well, Sam and Mikaela are big part of the movies, like BIG Tee said you could reduce the role of the parents. Bay could just not show Simmons, no death and he just gets his retirement that he wanted. I would like to see Leo Spitz to get killed off, such an annoying character, I don't know how he got more screen time than Megatron.

[BIG Tee]

I would like to see Leo Spitz to get killed off, such an annoying character, I don't know how he got more screen time than Megatron.
Excactly. He was very irritating and provided no comic relief. I agree, off that guy.

[ARCEE^_^]

hes like that kinda person that u wanna throw a cricket ball at!

[BIG Tee]

No! He's the kind of person that you want to use as a cricket ball.

[BIG Tee]

PRIMES ANGELS: Kicks Grade A Decepticon Butt

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Femaleautobots-dreamwave.jpg

If Shockwave couldn't handle them, no Decepticon can.

[ARCEE^_^]

lol!lmao

[Bot Girl]

PRIMES ANGELS: Kicks Grade A Decepticon Butt

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Femaleautobots-dreamwave.jpg

If Shockwave couldn't handle them, no Decepticon can.

Blows a big Bot Girl smooch (all platonic like) at Tee! That rocks!

[BIG Tee]

You know that would make a great poster. Hmmmmmm.

[Trailbreaker]

PRIMES ANGELS: Kicks Grade A Decepticon Butt

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Femaleautobots-dreamwave.jpg

If Shockwave couldn't handle them, no Decepticon can.
This.

[BIG Tee]

This.
That!

[Bot Girl]

You know that would make a great poster. Hmmmmmm.

I'd buy it!! Unless i could sweet talk one out of the maker. <bats eyelashes>:o

[ARCEE^_^]

would u get me one?
PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BIG Tee]

I'd buy it!! Unless i could sweet talk one out of the maker. <bats eyelashes>:o
:o:o

[TheBigBad]

I have but one simple, humble, hopeful request:

Symmetrical Robot Faces

That is all...

[some]

in a post in 'what i dont want to see' (i believe), somebody said about not having unnamed bots. i believe contrary to this. there should be a core of constant characters in both decepticons and autobots to have continuity, a set of 'peripheric' named characters that may change from movie to movie, new characters with new characteristics (but not that clash with the current state of the story, like a bot that passes as a human, which does not fit with whats been said already in the story, specially since it looks like transformers are just learning about humans, and quite frankly it looks plain stupid), and unnamed characters that may die in both sides. thats because if there is a fixed set of characters in each movie, it will turn into something like ninja turtles or something like that, or a morning weekend cartoons, where every episode is the same, the bad guys act stupid and act as comic relief and the good guys win and have a moral for the end of the story because good always wins, and no matter what you already know what is gonna happen. this would be lame. the story must have some continuity, but one movie should not be just another cartoon episode. one of the cool things in the series (first generation, the only one worth it), was to discover new characters, new scenarios, new situations in each episode.

2. the movie NEEDS to have a plot before filling the empties. there are polls and whole threads about if female bots or female bikini bots mud wrestling that must say a certain catch phrase. i find this ridiculous. write a good plot, with no holes, then you decide what phrases should be said in each situation; dont do like in the second movie, where there was apparently no plot and the whole movie was written arount the title and catch phrases and cliches, and then the writers tried to make a plot for those. i believe the order is the other way around

3. avoid the funny stupid sidekick. if i want to see this, i would be watching disney movies. avoid cliches so obvious like (in a previous paragraph) fenmale bots, just like 'fan service'. if i wanted this i would be watching anime or downloading jpgs. make a story that makes sense, stick to it.

[TransBay2]

Transformers 3 needs! More Robots less people. Shia LaBeouf is a great actor. Him and more Robots. Also SideSwiper and Starscream need to be in the movie more. SideSwiper did an awesome job. I loved StarScream's upgrades. The Tatto's were cool. If Sideswiper and Starscream are in it more it will be so cool. Thanks you Bay for two great Moves.

Thanks again!! :deadhorse1::(

[TransBay2]

Also Transformers 3 need's! more Air Battle's! The Air Battle in the first one with StarScream was cool. There needs to be more Air Battle's! If Trans 2 have Air Battle's it would had make the movie that much cooler!!

Thanks again!!

Bay Rules!

[allison0z]

No swearing

[some]

what it needs: background story. the first movie had the cube/allspark, the second had 'the fallen' which had nothing to do with the first movie, and looked more like a card out of the sleeve, it should have a background story that gets developed and explained through the series. an ugly comparison for most, but take 'harry potter' for instance, which had the voldemort return plot as a plot for the whole series, in every movie is explained a little bit more of the background and the story develops around it to the future, but each movie like a separate unit, yet all movies are coherent and not just separate things that had nothing to do with each other but share the same characters. plot and background. continue with allspark and that stuff, and leave the second movie like a glitch, set it apart and go on

[troyh2012]

what it needs: background story. the first movie had the cube/allspark, the second had 'the fallen' which had nothing to do with the first movie, and looked more like a card out of the sleeve, it should have a background story that gets developed and explained through the series. an ugly comparison for most, but take 'harry potter' for instance, which had the voldemort return plot as a plot for the whole series, in every movie is explained a little bit more of the background and the story develops around it to the future, but each movie like a separate unit, yet all movies are coherent and not just separate things that had nothing to do with each other but share the same characters. plot and background. continue with allspark and that stuff, and leave the second movie like a glitch, set it apart and go on
i agree with your last two posts.

[ARCEE^_^]

me 2!
what bout a jungle battle?

[nlg2076]

I got my degree in Video Game Design, however, my focus is shifting towards movies. I'm currently auditing film classes and I hope to have a portfolio to get into UCLA MFA Producers program in 2011. Film and stories are huge passions of mine and I hope to eventually bring my ideas to the big screen one day.

[chops]

Transformers 3 needs a serious script with a dark tone. nuff said.

[MrX]

Different Vehical types. Sure its great to see brand new cars and such but I would think that a transformer would scan what is available at the time. That would mean vehicals of various makes, models and years. The only older car I've seen other than the icecream truck was bumblebees 79 camaro mode(I think it was a 79).

[ARCEE^_^]

i agree with chops!
but no darth vader!

[the_almighty_moo]

i am reminded of a sextion in tf1 where ratchet is poitinting a light into sam's room, and ironhide wants to take them out. if you didnt notice, ratchet is actually egging ironhide on to do it :P and when ratchet hits the powerlines and ironhide sarcasticly says "looks like fun" thats the type of relationships they need, plus a bit of light humour

[ARCEE^_^]

yeah that was funny!
why wasnt there any things like that in ROTF?