View Full Version : Alex and Roberto?
Cold As Ice0004
10-01-2009, 07:18 PM
Are they coming back?
Jason Gould
10-01-2009, 07:26 PM
Click this.
http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/06/orci-kurtzman-talk-testicles-and.html
The Last Autobot
10-01-2009, 09:06 PM
I dont.
chops
10-01-2009, 10:46 PM
They didn't do a bad job considering they were forced to write in certain things for dumb reasons. They did write the next Star Trek movie too so they can obviously do humor and intelligent writing in the same movie.
redqueenar
10-01-2009, 10:50 PM
It's doubtful they will be locked in a hotel room for 30 days to do it, if they are involved.
taybrian1
10-01-2009, 11:09 PM
Bring back Leo! He's my kind of crazy.
And some people here already mentioned that TF1 had a "something magical" in it. Bob and Alex are the men who wrote it. That's why I wish they would be back.
the_almighty_moo
10-02-2009, 10:10 AM
i agree, i feel jolt was added in so GM could pmip off thier new car and soundwave because of the resulting nerd rage. that's depressing, they really should just ignore all us fanbois :P
Bayhem
10-02-2009, 10:21 AM
Bring back Leo! He's my kind of crazy.
I love Leo, so I'm with you on this one.
And two other names - Steve Jablonsky and John Turturro. That's all I need. http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif
jamjam101
10-02-2009, 10:21 AM
I think that this time arround, if nothing (God Willing) comes in the way of film production (writer's strike & Shia injury) Alex and Rob will be able to hopefully recreate that 'magic' the first movie had...
I hope they return and take their time writing the story in a very logical, smart and humorous way..
yea, and Leo should be back...and Anthony Anderson if possible. It would be cool if he had a small role in the film. Which might I add, TF1 had a lot more human characters with important roles which I liked. TF2 were lacking important human roles.
littleman794
10-02-2009, 10:22 AM
they better be!
Battlebot
10-02-2009, 10:01 PM
As for the writers I vote they get some new blood in there. They need new fresh idea's.:deadhorse1:
EpicBacons
10-02-2009, 10:03 PM
I dont.
This, time to kick up the story telling up a notch. They've shown their not capable of showing how said character should be, and plot.
razgriz21
10-02-2009, 11:53 PM
I want Roberto and Alex back too.
chops
10-03-2009, 12:57 PM
I just heard they won't be back because they have other projects lined up like star trek 2 and Cowboys and Aliens. Bay better find some top notch writers for the script or Transformers 3 will be as rough as Revenge.
IHeartBayhem
10-03-2009, 01:18 PM
They probably won't be back, as Bay seems to be hanging around Ehren Kruger. Probably for the best, three writers might be too many cooks in the pot. Best part is that no strike is looming, so Bay and Kruger won't have anything that can hold them back. If cards are played right, TF3 will be the best of the trilogy.
chops
10-03-2009, 01:32 PM
They probably won't be back, as Bay seems to be hanging around Ehren Kruger. Probably for the best, three writers might be too many cooks in the pot. Best part is that no strike is looming, so Bay and Kruger won't have anything that can hold them back. If cards are played right, TF3 will be the best of the trilogy.
Bay is a director. Seriously, why does he have to touch the script? Just let Kruger write it himself. He just doesn't realize what he's doing to the franchise. He's a great director but I wouldn't let him touch the script with a ten-foot pole. If speilberg cared at all he would step in but that's not happening.
IHeartBayhem
10-03-2009, 01:41 PM
It's fairly common for the director, even actors to change the script a little bit, whether to update a few lines to make them sound better, or even probably change plot points to make them make more sense. Things like that. You can't just tell the director to back off the script, they're the director, the show more often then not, falls on their shoulders.
chops
10-03-2009, 01:53 PM
It's fairly common for the director, even actors to change the script a little bit, whether to update a few lines to make them sound better, or even probably change plot points to make them make more sense. Things like that. You can't just tell the director to back off the script, they're the director, the show more often then not, falls on their shoulders.
I understand that but he did add the oh-so popular twins all by himself.
Bayhem
10-03-2009, 02:17 PM
I understand that but he did add the oh-so popular twins all by himself.
And many people like the Twins.
Let's not forget that they saved Leo and Simmons in the end, by going after Devastator. So they were also important characters.
chops
10-03-2009, 02:49 PM
And many people like the Twins.
Let's not forget that they saved Leo and Simmons in the end, by going after Devastator. So they were also important characters.
I forgot about Leo too. Bay added Leo and the twins himself and made them important on purpose. 90% of complaints about the movie were about the twins and Leo. And people were right - they were the worst parts!
Bayhem
10-03-2009, 03:02 PM
I forgot about Leo too. Bay added Leo and the twins himself and made them important on purpose.
Well, everything in the script is on purpose. Leo and The Twins are just part of it. Whether they were added by Bay or someone else, it doesn't really matter now, because they are already part of the story.
90% of complaints about the movie were about the twins and Leo. And people were right - they were the worst parts!
You mean the critics and the die-hard Transformers fans.
They also didn't like the fact that Bay is the director, so I'm not surprised at all that they hate these characters.
EpicBacons
10-03-2009, 03:21 PM
I've seen many people here post of their loathing of Leo and the twins, myself included - and I am far from a Michael Bay hater, big supporter actually (which is why I post here).
Bayhem
10-03-2009, 03:35 PM
Back in 2007 many people ( including Michael Bay fans ) were....well, let's just say that they didn't like the Simmons character at all, and I've heard things like "The worst character ever". And what happened - Simmons was back in the sequel with even bigger part.
And from what I see Leo will also have a bigger part in the next Transformers - http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56768
So obviously I'm not the only one who likes the character.
chops
10-03-2009, 04:10 PM
Back in 2007 many people ( including Michael Bay fans ) were....well, let's just say that they didn't like the Simmons character at all, and I've heard things like "The worst character ever". And what happened - Simmons was back in the sequel with even bigger part.
And from what I see Leo will also have a bigger part in the next Transformers - http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56768
So obviously I'm not the only one who likes the character.
Bayhem
I enjoyed simmons character much better in the second movie. He was much funnier in the second movie and not annoying. Leo, on the other hand, wouldn't shut up and he did was complain the whole movie. Yeah, what a deep character.
jamjam101
10-03-2009, 08:02 PM
It was not Bob or Alex's fault for the rush of ROTF plot. it was the writer's strike, and because of it, bay was rushing the shoot, and writer's were rushing the story. They have 19 months to carefuly plan out, shoot, edit and post process and release for July 1st. They have plenty of time.
I hope Alex and Bob do return with fresh deep script.
jamjam101
10-03-2009, 10:59 PM
they are not gona start shooting till next may / june or maybe even later...it gives them 8 months to write and polish the script with NO writer's stirke in the way. and i dont know why everyone thinks that TF3 is gona be rushed...whats the difference between TF3 comming in about 19 months and when TF1 came in about 19 months from when it got announced in sept. of 2005...
stop being nervous people
redqueenar
10-03-2009, 11:06 PM
Heal The Bay?!!?
http://www.healthebay.org/assets/images/nav/admin/anav_htblogo_108x69.gif
RESPECT!
redqueenar
10-03-2009, 11:07 PM
Heal The Bay?!!?
http://www.healthebay.org/assets/images/nav/admin/anav_htblogo_108x69.gif
RESPECT!
Uhm. This is totally in the wrong thread. How the F did I do that....
Drake
10-03-2009, 11:18 PM
Uhm. This is totally in the wrong thread. How the F did I do that....
And how do you fix it? :D
redqueenar
10-03-2009, 11:29 PM
And how do you fix it? :D
If I knew the cure for an attack of the stupids I'd be a gazillionaire...:p
wingzero
10-04-2009, 05:28 PM
They probably won't be back, as Bay seems to be hanging around Ehren Kruger. Probably for the best, three writers might be too many cooks in the pot. Best part is that no strike is looming, so Bay and Kruger won't have anything that can hold them back. If cards are played right, TF3 will be the best of the trilogy.
- Ehren Kruger alone is not enough for the huge task that Transformers3 script is going to be.
- Kurtzman & Orci didn't do anything excellent with the Star Trek movie, it was just like an expensive tv series episode with some not needed changes to characters, anyway surely a better work they did there than on the overhyped Fringe tv series which is seriously a bad written X-Files clone and should be cancelled.
- The first Transformers movie magic feeling was the result of Spielberg, Bay and the whole crew having had quite some years to develop and refine every single detail to achieve a top-notch final product.
- Transformers2 does have magic moments but in its theatrical cut you get a lot of on/off connection points with that magic, something is wrong there the public feels because there were some brutal cuts, shortened scenes and missing unfinished scenes that weren't included although highly likely those were filmed as well. The missing parts described in the official novel by Alan Dean Foster would have given the movie its full non-stop magic feeling... but it seems that we can't even get a Blu-Ray extended disc release of the movie with at least part of those missing scenes re-integrated back in the movie..
- For Transformers3 the movie script should be written by Ehren Kruger and Alan Dean Foster
- I think Alan Dean Foster is a way better writer than Kruger,Orzi,Kurtzman together. All his movie novels proved that during the years, but he wrote movie scripts as well if I am not wrong, so I see no reason why Mr.Bay and Mr.Spielberg couldn't use his ideas for the script too and not just the novel.
jamjam101
10-04-2009, 05:37 PM
The first Transformers movie magic feeling was the result of Spielberg, Bay and the whole crew having had quite some years to develop and refine every single detail to achieve a top-notch final product.
Well correct me if I'm wrong, but their development of TF3 is gonna be just about the same amount of time that they took to make TF1. Bay got the call from Speilburg in July of 2005, and announced it in Sept 2005 - almost the same time that they just announced TF3. The reason why TF2 had 'ins and outs' of the ''magical'' feeling we all wish for is because of the writers' strike..it held everyone back severly and resulted in a rushed writing, shooting and editing...Bay even said in UK premier ''you guys watched the unfinished version of the movie''....a week before it's wide release in N.A.
TF3 is not gona have that kind of problem to come in it's way and we all pleaa for Mr. Bay and writers' to re-create that ''magic'' that first movie had.
wingzero
10-04-2009, 06:52 PM
Well correct me if I'm wrong, but their development of TF3 is gonna be just about the same amount of time that they took to make TF1. Bay got the call from Speilburg in July of 2005, and announced it in Sept 2005 - almost the same time that they just announced TF3. The reason why TF2 had 'ins and outs' of the ''magical'' feeling we all wish for is because of the writers' strike..it held everyone back severly and resulted in a rushed writing, shooting and editing...Bay even said in UK premier ''you guys watched the unfinished version of the movie''....a week before it's wide release in N.A.
TF3 is not gona have that kind of problem to come in it's way and we all pleaa for Mr. Bay and writers' to re-create that ''magic'' that first movie had.
Let's hope so and that nothing goes wrong and no more strikes nor crew/actors injuries or anything else bad happens. Transformers3 needs to get a smooth production in order to become an outstanding blockbuster able to smash the strong competition at box office during Summer 2011.
I still would like to see the extended versions of both Transformers and Transformers2 movies released in the future with all the missing filmed finalized scenes added back in the movie, and all the scenes that were good to be included but CGI and/or editing wasn't completed on time for inclusion to be re-integrated back in the movie.
It's really sad that the 6-7minutes worth of additional scenes on Transformers2 that producer DiBonaventura was talking about in an interview not so many weeks ago are not going to be re-integrated back in the movie as he was telling back then...
Paramount is not even releasing the IMAX enhanced version of the movie worldwide for every language and that was less than a 2 minutes additional footage... really wrong marketing decisions, it's a big mistake.
Yes, they probably are planning to release extended versions of all movies after the 3rd one got released if not (even worse) when the second trilogy starts (how many years from now then? no less than 4-5 for sure). And that is very very bad marketing. Why? Because despite more movies will hit theaters and people will keep buying the new discs 90%+ of the general public worldwide will not buy a new extended version of movies, only fans and collectors will but that is a minority which means way low revenues.
An extended cut should be released immediately when a movie gets released on discs in order to generate an higher revenue out of even casual buyers thru word of mouth and hype.
Cold As Ice0004
10-05-2009, 06:04 PM
Roberto confirmed it on Don Murphy's site. They are not coming back for the third.
jamjam101
10-05-2009, 06:38 PM
Roberto confirmed it on Don Murphy's site. They are not coming back for the third.
Can you provide a link for that? As for as I know, Bob and Alex said that nothing is certain, they just risk becoming 'stale'..The just came up with the story, so lets just wait and see...
redqueenar
10-05-2009, 06:42 PM
http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showpost.php?p=1403421&postcount=24167
wingzero
10-05-2009, 07:10 PM
Mr.Orci comments on that from thread you linked there show that Mr.Bay and Mr.Spielberg did the right thing to not re-confirm Orci & Kurtzman for Transformers3.
They now want to sound like poor victims of "the bad" Michael Bay and such, what a childish pathetic attitude. And their Star Trek script was far from excellent, a good expensive tv series episode but far from what the movie should have been. Also there was no Michael Bay there and I saw quite some silly jokes that don't work, so if something looks silly and doesn't work to people Transformers movies it's not Mr.Bay fault I'd say... And their other work with J.J.Abrams on Fringe tv series is really bad, the worst thing they ever did.
I loved The Island as much as Transformers but at this point I really don't know how much that was thanks to Orci&Kurtzman work.
The best bet is to have Ehren Kruger & Alan Dean Foster writing the script for Transformers3 now. I hope that is what is going to happen and then we will get an outstanding movie for sure.
Cold As Ice0004
10-05-2009, 07:39 PM
Can you provide a link for that? As for as I know, Bob and Alex said that nothing is certain, they just risk becoming 'stale'..The just came up with the story, so lets just wait and see...
http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=22635&page=967
There it is.
eagc7
10-06-2009, 12:53 AM
what!!! nooooooooooooooo T_T
phoenixgirl
10-06-2009, 07:35 AM
Ditto that. I know the guy knows his transformers. But why, WHY is he having to do the wrighting alone. No one wamts more embarassing lame humor. We want to respect and be in awe of the transformers, not have them be the laughing stocks of the summer!!! Oh, I still remember Lettermen.:(
There had better be some self-control this time.:mad: I miss Roberto and Alex already.
megatron42
10-06-2009, 08:23 AM
shadow whose a member name joe should write for the third.. he's great me him and
bumblebee1983 wrote my fan-fic rise of the decepticons, which is in the void
fu2kimus_prime
10-06-2009, 08:29 AM
Sad to hear that Orci, and Kurtzman aren't returning, loved their work on both movies.
However lets give Kruger a chance. It seems to have become some sort of trend to blame him for everything people didn't like in ROTF, with no eveidence to back this up. I'm looking forward to seeing which direction he takes the franchise in.
jamjam101
10-06-2009, 09:32 AM
Every one is asking for Alan Dean Foster? It would be pretty cool if he was on board to write the story as well cuz he wrote the novel, and from what I hear it's pretty damn detailed!
King of Kings
10-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Every one is asking for Alan Dean Foster? It would be pretty cool if he was on board to write the story as well cuz he wrote the novel, and from what I hear it's pretty damn detailed!
I could get behind ADF writing TF3, I have enjoyed the books ad the amount of detail they go into, I did enjoy the films but always thought they could be better.
phoenixgirl
10-06-2009, 04:26 PM
I could go for Foster. The movie novels he has written have been great. He really nails the characters right.
Cold As Ice0004
10-06-2009, 07:33 PM
Everyone is blaming Kruger for the mishaps in ROTF because, while there were a few shallow lines in the first flick... Kruger wasn't attached to it.
And of course, because ROTF got much worse, everyone thinks its safe to assume Kruger is at fault.
razgriz21
10-06-2009, 10:58 PM
^^^He is the likely suspect.
I miss Alex and Roberto already too.
I guess they need to work on the next Star Trek.
As long as we don't get Akiva Goldsman, we should be OK.