Unicron

[CesarCardoso]

Since this character has been suggest many times here on the forum, and since we know putting him on screen woulmd be hugely difficult, how about we try to find cool ways he could actually be in TF3 without just cutting short his size.

I think an powerful selfconcious cybertronian computer virus would give Unicron a cool twist.

What do you guys think?

[littleman794]

man, you gotta stop making so many threads, go here for gods sake (not to be offensive, its just we don't want it getting filled with too much junk)

http://shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5395

[CesarCardoso]

man, you gotta stop making so many threads, go here for gods sake (not to be offensive, its just we don't want it getting filled with too much junk)

http://shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5395

that thread is just so cluttered i cant find anything in it anymore. but yeah, sure, ill calm down:o

[Dynasty]

Oh please no... well, maybe... but I can see so many other ways this could go...

We're going to be buried alive in this Message Board now, aren't we? *gets out armor*

[phoenixgirl]

All I can say is, here we go again.

I like the idea of keeping Unicron as the ultimate evil in the universe. The planet mode have to be changed a bit.

[Drake]

I say go for it. Make him planet-sized, and do it without him being cheesy. It can be done with some effort and a good design/story for him.

[Trailbreaker]

He doesn't have to be that massive really. I say Death Star sized.

[phoenixgirl]

He doesn't have to be that massive really. I say Death Star sized.

Death star size works. As long as he is not concealed within a dark thick cloud

[EpicBacons]

I say go for it. Make him planet-sized, and do it without him being cheesy. It can be done with some effort and a good design/story for him.

I agree 100000% completely, I know some it ain't popular with (FF2 come to mind I guess). It wasn't popular with me, but I thought about it -- and if it is done right with a good story with it, I think it would be great.

As for thinking it would be hard to do CGI wise, remember that these movies have made millions, broke records, will continue to make alot of money (with the upcoming releases of the DVD/Blu-Ray and ofcourse the merchandise). So IMHO, I don't think it should be a problem -- and the movie is coming out in 2011 so there is a bigger gap between TF2 and the upcoming TF3, than say TF1 to TF2, so there is time to work on it. I hope it gets implemented, just imagine a planet sized explosion! IMAGINE! :p

EDIT: I also agree with Trailbreaker, I think if they were to have him in it - I think that would be a perfect size (a Death Star).

[Mech_1000]

Unicron is just too impossible. They would have to do some lame Independence Day -> Virus attack thing... since they are the size of viruses in comparison...

http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/89d5/unicron-04.jpeg

There's unicron...
That might be earth...
that 1 / 100,000,000th of a pixel is you

[EpicBacons]

I don't think so, how about having Primus in it as well to oppose him in the movie? Lets say Sam and Optimus hold the essence of the Matrix of Leadership within' them, and Autobots and their allies travel to Cybetron's core to use the Matrix as a key to awaken Primus and they fight to the death. It would be cool to have it like that.

[redqueenar]

There's no need to show Unicron.

[chops]

Unicron will not happen in the 3rd movie unless there is just a mention of it. Visually I can't see it working.

[Sillypuddy]

There's no need to show Unicron.

Unicron = Epic Fail!!!

Ever notice the Fallen's face looked like one of the Quintessons????

hrmmmmm....

[Kimba]

We're going to be buried alive in this Message Board now, aren't we? *gets out armor*

I think so *braces for impact*

[Drake]

Again... I think it's doable. I think the big mistake you all are making is comparing it to past failed attempts at large whatevers. By doing so, of course your prediction will also be that Unicron would fail. You guys need to think outside of the box and begin formulating some original ways it could succeed instead of dwelling on how it will or has failed in the past.

Besides, if I recall, the uber-Death Star in Return of the Jedi went off just fine.

[Kimba]

Again... I think it's doable. I think the big mistake you all are making is comparing it to past failed attempts at large whatevers. By doing so, of course your prediction will also be that Unicron would fail. You guys need to think outside of the box and begin formulating some original ways it could succeed instead of dwelling on how it will or has failed in the past.

Besides, if I recall, the uber-Death Star in Return of the Jedi went off just fine.

Oh with the technology now - there is no doubt in my mind that it can be done and be done rather well infact :)

[Ultra Magnus]

To be honest, I feel that introducing a planet-sized (or moon-sized) colossus would be way 'over-the-top' for a franchise that you could say is already quite 'over-the-top'. Having said that, I do think a homage or other reference would be a good idea.

[CesarCardoso]

my greatest issue with the planet size unicron would be the physics involved. I cant see unicron reaching earth and not having an enourmous shift in the planetary orbits in consequence. That would mean an shift in the solar system as we know it.

If he doesnt reach earth then it will have to pass in deep space and that goes off the point as in M Bay wants a human-Robot interation.

All in all, im not against Unicron but i would like it done right.

[MrX]

Oh please no... well, maybe... but I can see so many other ways this could go...

We're going to be buried alive in this Message Board now, aren't we? *gets out armor*

Buried Alive......Buried Alive........

KAAAAAHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!

Sorry couldn't resist. I'm not sure its possible to render something as massive as Unicron. I heard they had trouble with Devastator at his scale so I can only imagine the computeing power nesssary to render something at the scale of a Planet and make it realistic. But you never know, the Technology may be avalible in two years to do it.

[the_almighty_moo]

to be honest, i think if unicron was anything bigger than say the moon, for example, it would be epic fail. But imagine the nerd rage if they didnt have him in.

besides he could have massive feeding tendrils like ultros from fantastic 4 sequal :P

on a side note, galvatron, scourge and the sweeps and cyclonus could be his minions, and it would mean no one would get confused about why megatron became galvatron as they'd both be in it :P (or until galvatron kills megatron for being a bit crap at his job).

[scarey123]

IMO i dont think it would be all that hard to bring in something like Unicron into the next movie if thats the kind of story is being brought in. A death star style character or even a giant mass in space, and an example of this is the first Star Trek movie and the large whatever it was coming to earth with a cloudy material around it, and if they could do something like that 20+ years ago why not now, just bring the idea up to speed with todays cgi tech.

[phoenixgirl]

Unicron may not have to be Death Star sized either. Something the size of Mt Everest would suffice.

[CesarCardoso]

a lil humour

http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2006/09/01/lil-formers-9-unicron/

http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2007/08/20/lil-formers-58-star-wars-tfs/

http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2008/03/10/lil-formers-89-auditions-ii/

[littleman794]

a lil humour

http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2006/09/01/lil-formers-9-unicron/

http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2007/08/20/lil-formers-58-star-wars-tfs/

http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2008/03/10/lil-formers-89-auditions-ii/

hahahahhahahahahahahahha

[EpicBacons]

my greatest issue with the planet size unicron would be the physics involved. I cant see unicron reaching earth and not having an enourmous shift in the planetary orbits in consequence. That would mean an shift in the solar system as we know it.


If there is a will there is a way, with the best technology (computers) out there - there is little doubt that it could be done if they wanted. If they do a Death Star sized Unicron/Primus (but with the alien design to it). It's obvious not going to be realistic... but who cares, its Transformers and its a science fiction flick.



If he doesnt reach earth then it will have to pass in deep space and that goes off the point as in M Bay wants a human-Robot interation.

I've seen the interview reguarding the producer, and his opinion that it would mean less screen time for the humans and make it less realistic... well obviously it already passed the relm of realistic and its Transformers... and that its weakness that it uses pointless things such as Sam going to College, etc. We don't even get to see the Transformers interact with humans much at all, so. With Unicron and an intergallactic battle, it would force the issue of having a good plot with uber-science fiction elements (hence Independence Day). Even Shia LaBeouf hopes there is a intergallactic battle sequence, he said in TF1 you were introduced to Megatron, in TF2 there was a bigger threat (the Fallen and Megatron) - TF3 should follow up on that.




All in all, im not against Unicron but i would like it done right.

I agree, but I think it needs to have a really good story. A little mythology of Primus and Unicron would be really cool as well.

[retlaw]

Already said it acouple of times before, unicron would be the perfect way to go with the story and conclude the trilogy with a bang. If done right you would have the same life-on-earth threathening situation as in armaggeddon and that worked just fine. Missed that feeling with the first 2 movies. Imagine a scene with the autobots, decepticons and the military in a meeting discussing how to defeat this common enemy.

[eagc7]

Unicron plz bay!!!

[EpicBacons]

I agree completely with the two posters below me, and if this is the last one... what better way of doing it than Unicron?

Also, I just want to say in a few articles it stated that Shia Labeouf threw us somewhat of a tiny hint... that Transformers 3 will be darker than the first two and that it will be an intergallatic setting. That can only be a few things, UNICRON! The chaos bringer! It would be awesome to listen to the Unicron Medley in the form of a Steve Jablonsky score. I read somewhere that Michael Bay would find Unicron interesting in future installments for comparison sake. Here's hoping!

[superion_uk]

Unicron would definitely be do-able in TF3. He would not necessarily need to be planet sized. I like the idea of small moon or space station. Either way it would still be a big-@$$ robot!

[IHeartBayhem]

If Unicron ends up in the film as the big bad, I would do that cliche thing of shaking my fists in front of me while doing a girlish squeal out of nerdiness.

[Twonk]

Everyone keeps wanting bigger and badder robots in TF3 same thing happened with TF2 and we got devastator.
As cool as he was he was hardly used and when we did see him he was getting his face smashed in by one of the twins and then blown to bits by a rail gun.
The amount of money it would cost to produce unicron would make devastator look cheep.
I would personally like to see money used on more G1 robots, for example springer hotrod ultramagnus astrotran sixshot and quintasons.
Would also like to see a longer film maybe 3 hour mark to give it more depth over the last but hay that's just me.

[fu2kimus_prime]

I'm coming round to the idea of having Unicron in the movie franchise. I think Michael, and the guys at ILM have the technology and skill to pull it off.

I also like the idea of having a threat to both factions. Something that forces Prime, and Megatron to have to work together and fight side by side for abit.

[muvee]

Although is a fiction movie we must think about the consequences of a planet size in attack course to earth

- First tides would go crazy (only with moon there are big waves with its gravitational pull)

-There would be any kind of natural disasters like The Day After Tomorrow

- If its Bigger than earth it would terminate it only with a wave of its hand and movie would end very quick and tragically

So i think Unicron should be smaller than earth but gets a little bit bigger when it transforms and maybe use some sort of large tentacles like straws that extracts the planet resources slowly
But of course my opinion is just one of so many others

[Trailbreaker]

Although is a fiction movie we must think about the consequences of a planet size in attack course to earth

- First tides would go crazy (only with moon there are big waves with its gravitational pull)

-There would be any kind of natural disasters like The Day After Tomorrow

- If its Bigger than earth it would terminate it only with a wave of its hand and movie would end very quick and tragically

So i think Unicron should be smaller than earth but gets a little bit bigger when it transforms and maybe use some sort of large tentacles like straws that extracts the planet resources slowly
But of course my opinion is just one of so many others
Not only that, but his gravitational field would alter the angle of Earth's axis, alter its rotational speed, and maybe even alter its entire orbital pattern. Basically, if Unicron wanted to destroy up a planet, he'd just have to stand next to it.

Death Star sized, that should do it.

[redqueenar]

But guys... if it looks like the Death Star, the entire planet will go "Oh, it's just another Death Star." Don't you want this iteration of Unicron to be unique? (There are four! Step off! :p)

[CesarCardoso]

But guys... if it looks like the Death Star, the entire planet will go "Oh, it's just another Death Star." Don't you want this iteration of Unicron to be unique? (There are four! Step off! :p)

of course it should be unique, but it has been M Bay's objective to make this movie as it would be if it actually happened. As realistic as possible. If we go too much into the Sci-fi with the physics, itll look crappy and people will ridicule it.

Remember the interview for TF1 where M Bay states that if the lighting is just a bit off, people will notice its not real? I believe in his commitment to realistic effects and reall hope they take time to think this through, if they chose to bring in Unicron.

[EpicBacons]

If they go the routo of a Death Star/moon sized, they can alter it. Have the signature yellow tusks and the "ring" around it which would turn into Unicron's "wings" when he transforms into robot mode. Maybe some of the ancient language as well, I'm sure they can make it feel alien like all others to give a realistic feel.

[Trailbreaker]

He can be Death Star sized, but he doesn't have to be Death Star shaped.

[the_almighty_moo]

if unicron is goign around screwing up earth's gravitational field i think thats reason enough for the autobots to stop him, so they can keep thier new home :P

maybe he's been in 'planet form' for so long he has atmosphere, even inside him? that could explain why humans are romping around isndie him :D

[EpicBacons]

If they have Unicron, I don't think they'd have something like that to make it as realistic (science wise) as possible. When it comes to science fiction movies, realism is irrelevent.

[Trailbreaker]

If they have Unicron, I don't think they'd have something like that to make it as realistic (science wise) as possible. When it comes to science fiction movies, realism is irrelevent.
Realism is out of the question. Believability however is crucial.

[EpicBacons]

TBH, realism and believability are pretty much the same thing. It's hollywood and a science fiction popcorn flick, I doubt anyone is going to pay attention to minor details like that. :)

[Drake]

Think of it this way. Wouldn't it take a bit out of the Star Wars magic if the space battles were utterly silent, like they really would be?

[TIMtationX]

No Unicron please. He would just eat Earth and the movie would be over.

[Trailbreaker]

TBH, realism and believability are pretty much the same thing. It's hollywood and a science fiction popcorn flick, I doubt anyone is going to pay attention to minor details like that. :)
Well, I sorta meant in a way that the audience would be able to buy it, it doesn't have to look absolutely 100% realistic. Really, what needs to be done is keep everything amazing, but without stepping into the land of total awkwardness. A planet sized robot for example would be too over the top for the average movie goer to grasp. It might have worked 25 years ago, but today it would look outright silly. That's why Unicron would fit well in a nice, comfortable space station size.

But there are cases in which you have to break the rules. For example, sound in space. With these intergalactic battles possibly happening anyways, they're going to have to put sound in space, because we can better interact with it. Just imagine how awkward it would be to watch an epic battle with absolutely no sound?

[EpicBacons]

Well, I sorta meant in a way that the audience would be able to buy it, it doesn't have to look absolutely 100% realistic. Really, what needs to be done is keep everything amazing, but without stepping into the land of total awkwardness. A planet sized robot for example would be too over the top for the average movie goer to grasp. It might have worked 25 years ago, but today it would look outright silly. That's why Unicron would fit well in a nice, comfortable space station size.

The critics have said that Michael Bay's movies go under the area of 'over the top'. I thought this one is part of the many Michael Bay philosophy is that bigger = better, and that too much is never a bad thing.


Actually a space station size is smaller than a small moon/death star in terms of size.







But there are cases in which you have to break the rules. For example, sound in space. With these intergalactic battles possibly happening anyways, they're going to have to put sound in space, because we can better interact with it. Just imagine how awkward it would be to watch an epic battle with absolutely no sound?

Of course you could put a Steve Jablonsky score in it, but I'm sure that's not what you meant. If it goes intergallactic and if it were up to me, the battle would be on Cybertron (Decepticons vs. Autobots with their human allies), if it were about Unicron. Not exactly space ships shooting other space ships with colorful lasers.

[Trailbreaker]

The critics have said that Michael Bay's movies go under the area of 'over the top'. I thought this one is part of the many Michael Bay philosophy is that bigger = better, and that too much is never a bad thing.Well they're talking in terms of "ka-boom, explosion, OMFG what just happened?!" over the top. I have no problem with that at all. I'm just saying that an extremely huge ass robot the size of a planet just goes beyond anything the human mind can comprehend. If we try to replicate that, we can only go as far as our minds can comprehend it, and thereby screwing the whole thing up and entering the land of awkwardness.


Actually a space station size is smaller than a small moon/death star in terms of size.
Well, Obi-Wan did refer to the Death Star as a space station. :p


Of course you could put a Steve Jablonsky score in it, but I'm sure that's not what you meant. If it goes intergallactic and if it were up to me, the battle would be on Cybertron (Decepticons vs. Autobots and human allies on it), if it were about Unicron. Not exactly space ships shooting other space ships with colorful lasers.Well, duh, of course there would be music. I'm talking about whoosh, zap, ka-boom stuff. I'm saying that battle sounds and stuff would help put the audience right in the moment, stuff is going on so they're going to expect to hear it happen than just seeing it.

Or, like you said, it could be on Cybertron, where there's an atmosphere.

[jamjam101]

Well they're talking in terms of "ka-boom, explosion, OMFG what just happened?!" over the top. I have no problem with that at all. I'm just saying that an extremely huge ass robot the size of a planet just goes beyond anything the human mind can comprehend. If we try to replicate that, we can only go as far as our minds can comprehend it, and thereby screwing the whole thing up and entering the land of awkwardness

I Couldn't have said it better. I honestly dont want Unicron..just sounds like a very easy idea to screw up. LIke spidey 3 "yea lets put Venom cuz it's the obvious choice'' and they completely f#ed that over..
Unicron is the obvious choice most likely, but there is so much more that they can focus on without even mentioning him in the TF lore.

From what I can tell, because Bay hates Dinobots, he may hate the idea of Unicron as well....but thats just me, and who knows, because he said he's taking a year off and never did....anything just might happen.

Im just very very scared. Because the better TF3 turns out, the happier we ALL will be. and I'd love to see MB and Trans.3 be highly successfull!!

[Trailbreaker]

Here's another thing I just realized. Unicron has no real reason to transform, either. If your a huge ass robot in space there is no doubt in my mind that somebody is going to see you. And no, that planet disguise won't help one bit, unless you were covered in moon rock, like he was in Transformers Armada.

[littleman794]

so, cover him in moonrock!

[the_almighty_moo]

talking about realism in a movie about giant robots?

gadzooks

[CesarCardoso]

talking about realism in a movie about giant robots?

gadzooks

yes. were talking about making it possible for the viewers to believe that it could be possible.

[reddevilsteve]

Think of this from a money perspective. Devs cost a absaloute mint, and took a very long time to create all the parts and effects and ILM did one of the best jobs in history with Devs (pity they missed few other scenes but....)

anyway

Unicron a Machine the size of a planet. In the cartoon movie he took 2 minute to transform into robot mode. If you gave the deathstar to ILM and say make that a robot on live special effects they would pass out and making it look real. To big, too many moving part, to expensive and too long to create!!!!!!!

[megatron42]

I think so *braces for impact*


grabs kimba and dynasty and jets outta thread

[EpicBacons]

Well they're talking in terms of "ka-boom, explosion, OMFG what just happened?!" over the top. I have no problem with that at all. I'm just saying that an extremely huge ass robot the size of a planet just goes beyond anything the human mind can comprehend.

Depending on how you look at it, thats the beauty of it. I honestly don't see how it would be awkward. I mean, it's just a step up from that concept.


If we try to replicate that, we can only go as far as our minds can comprehend it, and thereby screwing the whole thing up and entering the land of awkwardness

We already know the world of Transformers are already ungodly unrealistic, whats one step more? Cars and trucks that can transform 2 or 3 times larger than their original size, is also awkward and past the relms of believability.

Sure there is a chance it could fail, but Unicron is such a great character, feared and well liked - as well as anything reguarding Unicron would juice up story for a movie, there is also alot of potential for it to be great in my opinion.



I Couldn't have said it better. I honestly dont want Unicron..just sounds like a very easy idea to screw up. LIke spidey 3 "yea lets put Venom cuz it's the obvious choice'' and they completely f#ed that over..
Unicron is the obvious choice most likely, but there is so much more that they can focus on without even mentioning him in the TF lore.

Like what? Another attempt by Megatron to exterminate humanity? If this is the last one, might as well end it in an explosive way.



From what I can tell, because Bay hates Dinobots, he may hate the idea of Unicron as well....but thats just me, and who knows, because he said he's taking a year off and never did....anything just might happen.

Im just very very scared. Because the better TF3 turns out, the happier we ALL will be. and I'd love to see MB and Trans.3 be highly successfull!!

Hate to burst your buble, but I believe Bay said he'd like to introduce Unicron at some point "for scale sake" (feel free to correct me), and the writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman said they'd like to introduce "Galvatron, Unicron and anything that ends with 'ron'".


Here's another thing I just realized. Unicron has no real reason to transform, either. If your a huge ass robot in space there is no doubt in my mind that somebody is going to see you. And no, that planet disguise won't help one bit, unless you were covered in moon rock, like he was in Transformers Armada.

If this thing is going to be intergallactic, I think the majority would be on Cybertron -- lets say Cybertron is Primus or Vector Sigma, and they awaken it and it transforms as well to stop Unicron (which would go away from the 86' version and be better as well IMHO).


yes. were talking about making it possible for the viewers to believe that it could be possible.

It's already ungodly unrealistic, living robotic creatures (that have feelings, fears, hopes and other things) that transform in ways are scientifically impossible, robots that are in forms that defy all logic while being 2 or 3 times larger than when they are in their alternate vehicle mode (Frenzy's head is definately larger than a compact cell phone, etc.)

[dhumphrey87]

I don't think so i think that Unicron should stay as is if you want to please the fans and the critics sometimes you have to stick to the classics trust me on this one i have seen enough movies where they re-did certain things and made the movie suck for example... x-men the last stand where phoenix is not a fire bird it would have made it so better too if no one died builds up suspense to whether there will be another

[Bot of Badassness]

Unicron is impossible to do. He can't just be sitting next to the moon for 2 and a half hours. waiting to blow up the planet. We actually have to build up to a space battle which the series hasn't done. Perhaps he could be in TF5 if TF3 and TF4 build up to having him and Primus. They could introduce Sideways in TF3 for Unicron to talk throough, then kill of Megatron so Sideways can get Galvertron through in TF4. The film series hasn't even covered the history of Unicron and Primus. The second movie took a huge leap in expanding the Transformers universe, introducing insectercons, combiners, triple changers, look-a-likes etc. The first film was nice and tight. 12 big robots taht all looked and acted different with character development and dialog and names, with 1 little fella that is ditto with the rest. Now imagine the next huge leap into TF3. Nothing is building up. TF1 made the robots seem like 2 normal factions, like humans, at war. The leap is still too early, and why would Unicron even come to Earth. There is nothing here he wants. From what TF2 has established, there are still to many robots, devices etc that Unicron can be after in the Universe. Nothing has been mentioned, like I said no history has been given. When it was stated that The Fallen would be in TF2, I thought that Paramount was taking the route to start building up to Unicron, as in the comics, The Fallen was a herald. I thought it was kind of stuffed up that The Fallen invented the Decepticons, and it was Retconning alot of stuff estabblished in the first film. Unicron can't be made smaller, then he won't seem like much of the monster that he is. It is basically The Fallen all over again. Things have to be established. Introduce Sideways and Galvertron first, and not just in 1 movie, in 2, cos 1 movie alone is another big leap for the series. Unicron is impossible to do this far in. History still has to be established, and some herald's need to be introduced. We don't want a lame fan wanted insert like Soundwave in TF2. We don't want a crap 1 minute thing like in Rise of the Silver Surfer. TF3 can be the start of the Unicron triolgy if you like. Sideways in Part 1, Galvertron in Part 2 (Megatron lives in TF2 so he can't be in TF3) the Unicron and Primus, Space wars in Part 3. Don't forget that TF5 will come out in like 2016, if not 2017 for the rendering of him. By then CGI will be advanced even more. And he can be done properly. RE: Soundwave as a saterlitte is not done properly. Like I said, he was a Fan insert, the writers were waiting to get him done right, but no, they wanted him, so he was done wrong, the fans are pissed, it's not Bay's fault, he gave them what they wanted. Just don't do this to Unicron. Wow, that was a wall of text, lol.

[The Fallen]

maybe not a planet, because of the size, but what about an huge space battleship like the Nemesis?

[littleman794]

sounds legit man

[Bot of Badassness]

maybe not a planet, because of the size, but what about an huge space battleship like the Nemesis?
:o sorry, not sure if that will work.

In the trailer for ROTF when OP said "We've kept much from you Sam" I was thinking. "YES PRIMUS AND UNICRON!"

[MitP]

I had a vague idea where Unicron would actually be an entity from the distant future (and I mean DISTANT future), where Optimus Prime has gradually evolved into a godlike being simply known as Primus. There would come a time when Unicron would threaten the fabric of reality itself, and so an all-out battle between Primus and Unicron is set in motion. Unicron soon realizes he's no match for Primus, and just before the brink of defeat, he rips a hole in time and travels backwards to an age where Primus would be more vulnerable. Somewhat like the Terminator going back to murder Sarah Connor, except the Terminator is now a demigod from hell.

In this version, Unicron would be the size of Jupiter, except he doesn't transform into a robot mode. (I really doubt any director could make that work). He arrives somewhere outside the Milky Way, and makes a beeline directly for Earth - giving astronomers enough time to spot this HUGE motherfucker heading towards them, and allowing the principal characters a chance to prepare.

[dragon]

the first & second one where favorites of unicron i got the second with deathstra vaadder signer by the creato of lilformers i read lto of trasnfromers hate his but im transfan & like his work great art stle great comedy style some is good some is not depends wht you liek & not like