What should Springer be?

[Eclipso]

If they put everyones fave Autobot triple changer in the movie what should he be?

My idea for his Helicopter form.
Mi-24 Assault and Attack Helicopter
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/helicopter-m/mi24/mi24_01.jpg

And his car form.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q39/Eclips0/security2020_1970_145366466copy.jpg

[OmarB]

Wouldnt work. Mass shifting remember, it has to be (now) 3 vehicles of roughly the same mass.

[Eclipso]

Not necessarily with triple changers. You can't do it without mass shifting a bit.

But when they say no mass shifting I think they mean on a more grand scale like Megatron turning into a gun or Soundwave turning into a cassette player.

[OmarB]

They are not gonna hold true to the mass shirting on one thing and not the rest man. I don't see a helo turning into a truck.

[Eclipso]

If they want to do triple changers they will have to. And it's not that big of a deal, it's minor mass shifting really compared to a robot turning into a gun or a cassette player.

[siwel]

I agree, no mass shifting. So what about a smaller, tighter attack helo, like the US Comanche? (at only 7,700 pounds, it's about the same weight as a combat Humvee) Although I would be perfectly happy if Springer, one of my favorites, wasn't a triple at all and only turned into a Comanche

http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/planephotos/rah-66_2.jpg

[Eclipso]

It's very minor mass shifting though and whats wrong with doing triple changers?

And I like the Comanche, but I think that suits the helicopter from the combaticons better (Vortex).

[darthrage]

minor mass shifting or huge mass shifting, its still mass shifting.

And Bay wants to keep it real without parts dissappearing.

And the Assault Helicopter turning into a Nissan??? Thats HUGE mass shifting. Its probably 3 times the size of the Nissan.

Another thing is that the Nissan won't be used. Why? Cuz its Japanese. Michael Bay wants to keep all Autobots to be all American. He didn't say that but look at the cars he used for the first one. And look at what GMC mentioned about the Topkick, its got All-American written all over it.

I like Japanese cars but American cars are so much more aggressive not only in size but also appearance and thats why they worked so well in Transformers. The Nissan you showed is like something you take your family to go buy groceries with Haha!

But yeah, I think the idea of triple changers is a bit too far-fetched. Anyone who truly understands the idea behind Michael Bay's vision of transformers will know that it won't work, just like how the idea of Unicron won't work.



However I do believe that the Commanche helicopter is the only suitable choice for a triple changer cuz it is much smaller and the shape and appearance of it is not complicated and can almost take anyform but you gotta remember, glass doesn't "transform". So the configuration of the glass on the cockpit will have to stay the way it is OR they would have to just separate the glass it where it meets at the frame, if necessary during transformation.

[Eclipso]

Well if they don't do him as a triple changer, I still like the two choices for him as ethier one. As I said I think your helicopter is best suited for Vortex.

[MegaOctane]

Has Springer been confirmed as a robot to be in the movie?

[siwel]

No one's been confirmed, they don't even have a script yet.

And I wouldn't want to leave a cool bird like the Comanche out of the Transformers world just because the shape seems to "fit" a specific cartoon character, who probably won't ever be used. As cool as it would be, I really doubt we're going to see a combiner in these movies.

[darthrage]

No one's been confirmed, they don't even have a script yet.

And I wouldn't want to leave a cool bird like the Comanche out of the Transformers world just because the shape seems to "fit" a specific cartoon character, who probably won't ever be used. As cool as it would be, I really doubt we're going to see a combiner in these movies.

I forget who said it but it was either the writers or one of the producers that mentioned that they wanted to see Constructicons or some kinda combiners and also a Dinobot.

[siwel]

you gotta remember, glass doesn't "transform". So the configuration of the glass on the cockpit will have to stay the way it is OR they would have to just separate the glass it where it meets at the frame, if necessary during transformation.

Ah, but remember, it's not really glass! or rubber! or anything else you would expect. These guys did not come to earth sporting glass plates and rubber tires which could conveniently reconfigure into earth vehicle shapes. so Transformer "glass" can shift into any shape needed. I'm not talking about morphing, but the glass panes should be able to slide about into any configuration imaginable.

[Eclipso]

Well Springers natural Cybertronian form just looks like this.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/valuk/images/armoured_vehicle2.jpg

[siwel]

Well Springers natural Cybertronian form just looks like this.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/valuk/images/armoured_vehicle2.jpg

I take it you're a fan of the new tv series/toy line. In the original series and in the comics, he is a helicopter and a sporty sort of car, with no difference between pre/post-Earth provided really.

[dakota03]

No one's been confirmed, they don't even have a script yet.

And I wouldn't want to leave a cool bird like the Comanche out of the Transformers world just because the shape seems to "fit" a specific cartoon character, who probably won't ever be used. As cool as it would be, I really doubt we're going to see a combiner in these movies.

I've done google searches for the Transformers 2 movie and I've read that they might bring in Soundwave and the Constructicons as well as the Dinobots.

[Eclipso]

I take it you're a fan of the new tv series/toy line. In the original series and in the comics, he is a helicopter and a sporty sort of car, with no difference between pre/post-Earth provided really.

Actually I have been a fan since the original show premiered and I know very well who Sprigner is. That might be why in my original post I suggested those 2 forms for him. Ah logic.:rolleyes:

No, I ment in the current comic run Springer is shown on Cybertron before they came to earth and he has only the one form I listed above to transform into.

[siwel]

Geez you're touchy. What comics are you talking about? IDW? In Stormbringer, it only shows Springer as a helo. Is he that other vehicle in Devastation?

[Eclipso]

Well you kinda insinuated I didn't know what I was talking about.

And it's in one of the origins issues (IDW) they've done and in a preview for the new More Then Meets The Eye issues, I will scan and show you.

[siwel]

No man, there's no right or wrong, there's a dozen incarnations of every character. When you said he *is* a particular vehicle, I just interpreted that to indicate what incarnation you preferred. (I read a post by some kid obsessing over how Optimus is supposed to be a monkey and not a truck, so clearly a Beast Wars fan.) Here's Springer's pre-Earth Stormbringer (2007) helo:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2246/1809883834_50801da887_o.jpg

[Eclipso]

I know, The version of Springer this is comes after that, he limited himself to one transform mode, and his mission was to kill Bludgeon It in a series called "Timelines" it's really nicely done man. you should give it a read.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q39/Eclips0/blz24.jpg

[siwel]

That's the Botcon comic, isn't it? Sort of a standalone series, right? Not IDW, I think.

[Eclipso]

It's still part of the IDW liscence I believe.

[uraydo]

Springer: oh, look at me! I am a decepticon turn autobot for no apparent reason and I am a trusted autobot to boot. I'm so cool!

[siwel]

I don't think you're reading that right. He fought in "the War with the Decepticons", he didn't fight "with the Decepticons" in "the War". He was always an Autobot. Grimlock invited him to join a team rather than fight solo, he didn't invite him to join the Autobots.

[uraydo]

I don't think you're reading that right. He fought in "the War with the Decepticons", he didn't fight "with the Decepticons" in "the War". He was always an Autobot. Grimlock invited him to join a team rather than fight solo, he didn't invite him to join the Autobots.

They need to word that better, cause even with an explanation, it still sounds like he was working for the Decepticons to me.

[siwel]

Agreed, badly written bio

[Eclipso]

I like this version of Springer allot. He's basically a more wiser version of Ironhide.

[Shadow]

I just say if Springer is in TF2 then so be it but leave the tripple changing for the toy line. Keep it one form for the movies.

[IMT Guyver]

I just say if Springer is in TF2 then so be it but leave the tripple changing for the toy line. Keep it one form for the movies.

I second that.


AH-64 Apache

http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/helos/apache1.jpg

Kamov 52 Alligator

http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/helos/kamov-52-alligator.jpg

[Dinobot3992]

I just can't see Springer in TF2 without Mass shifting

[menasor3]

If they put everyones fave Autobot triple changer in the movie what should he be?

My idea for his Helicopter form.
Mi-24 Assault and Attack Helicopter
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/helicopter-m/mi24/mi24_01.jpg

And his car form.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q39/Eclips0/security2020_1970_145366466copy.jpg

I love the Mi-24 but I don't remeber hearing Springerwas in TF2.

[Smokescreen_5]

I second that.

Kamov 52 Alligator

http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/helos/kamov-52-alligator.jpg


Wow.. that Alligator would make a good Springer

[xXRavenXx]

Astrotrain is the most likely for a tripple changer, but springer I would say would be 1 or the other. Using the on the fly scan and some other technology (it can be explained as a technological advancement needed in bots damaged in the cybertronian war to combat flying cons). But using the scan on the fly method to memorize a form and revert to it immediately. So Springer should be one of those attack helicopters we saw in the hulkk and posted earlyier, and as far as a vehicle I would say one of those chevy's Buscemi drove in the island.

[W12eckag3]

basicaly you would chose the chopper first now if its a real bulky chopper you would have a huge car! and if you take a silly little chopper you get a volkswagen beetlish car :D all in all its realy to difficult to pick both the right mass/size etc
sure you could make him hollow out but the main problem would be the bulk of the chopper body it would be the main car, you can always sort of pull in the tail + rotors then ....what car would you get?...

[menasor3]

I agree, no mass shifting. So what about a smaller, tighter attack helo, like the US Comanche? (at only 7,700 pounds, it's about the same weight as a combat Humvee) Although I would be perfectly happy if Springer, one of my favorites, wasn't a triple at all and only turned into a Comanche

http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/planephotos/rah-66_2.jpg
That is AWSOME! This should be Springer.

[guitarded]

springer should be a slinky...nuff said

[Smokescreen_5]

springer should be a slinky...nuff said

OH goodness.. that just gave me the image of Jim Carrey and his slinky going down a long stairwell from a temple and it stopping at the bottom step and him wanting to do it all again.. lol Jim Carrey's voice for Springer? Alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll riiiiiightttyyyyy thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!