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Shadow
03-14-2009, 11:13 PM
OK there is now talk about the Decepticons trying to blow up the sun in the next movie? So here is what I think... We all remember the so called leaked script that was out and in it S-7 had built an orb like device under the Luxor Pyramid casino that ran off the power from the Allspark and in turn that same power ran the united states. The cons wanted this power. So whats not to say that an idea like this isnt being used in the movie but a device is now under the real Pyramids that is getting its power sorce from the Sun? Also in issue 2 of defiance it would seem that the Fallen is being held in some place where its real hot and there is fire... (Hell!!!!) ya maybe but what about at the core of the sun? What if this device in the Pyramids is not only a power sorce of some kind but it will release the Fallen from his burning prison? (Hell or the Sun).

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=15991

Trailbreaker
03-14-2009, 11:30 PM
Venus also falls under the category of "living hell."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Venus_globe.jpg/600px-Venus_globe.jpg

Shadow
03-14-2009, 11:39 PM
not likely as Venus would not have a great enough energy field of raw power to hold the Fallen.:p

phoenixgirl
03-15-2009, 06:28 AM
Nice theory Shadow, it is just that would the fallen have survived in either of those places? The intense pressure and heat would most likly have melted him by now. The fallen may be the toughest robot out there, but he is not indestructable.
During the filming in Egypt and Libya, didn't they visit a dormant volcano or something. I definitly could see the Fallen trapped in the Magma Chamber. It is enough of a prison to hold the Fallen and not kill him.

Mind you I still have yet to read the second Defience issue so this is based on your description.

Nukester
03-15-2009, 09:19 AM
You're definitely onto something there Shadow. I also have a feeling that Fallen's first appearance is in the teaser trailer we saw.

The Decepticons activate their machine within the Pyramid and Fallen is released and transported from "the sun/another dimension" straight to the sand dunes.

This is the scene where the marines witness his "Terminator" arrival via lightning and flames.

Trailbreaker
03-15-2009, 09:29 AM
You're definitely onto something there Shadow. I also have a feeling that Fallen's first appearance is in the teaser trailer we saw.

The Decepticons activate their machine within the Pyramid and Fallen is released and transported from "the sun/another dimension" straight to the sand dunes.

This is the scene where the marines witness his "Terminator" arrival via lightning and flames.
You know, that's what I was thinking. The Decepticons fire their giant machine, shoots a massive beam of light towards the Sun and then nothing happens, they'd expect to see the Fallen walk right out of this thing, but no. So everyone's looking around the whole place, confused, until suddenly the wind picks up, static electricity builds, a strange noise is heard, a massive bolt of lightning forms, then...BAM! There he is!

guppyvh
03-15-2009, 10:36 AM
You know, that's what I was thinking. The Decepticons fire their giant machine, shoots a massive beam of light towards the Sun and then nothing happens, they'd expect to see the Fallen walk right out of this thing, but no. So everyone's looking around the whole place, confused, until suddenly the wind picks up, static electricity builds, a strange noise is heard, a massive bolt of lightning forms, then...BAM! There he is!

I love the idea:
Massive beam to the sun. After that a silence (mayby a few crickets or something)
Bad guys: Crap, nothing is happening.....
Good guys: What was that all about? Never mind, attack!!!!
Fallen shows up
Bad guys:Yes (thinking: what took him so long, got stuck in a black hole or something...?)
Good guys: What the...? Oh, crap!

Shadow
03-15-2009, 01:14 PM
i believe the Fallen will do a Megatron like from the first movie. We might hear a bit about him in history based events in the movie and like how Megs was stuck in the Dam frozen and didnt really enter till late in the movie... the same thing will happen with the Fallen. I mean they are going to have enough bad guys in this movie to keep it very interesting. So the Fallen isnt really needed till the last quarter of the movie.

scarey123
03-15-2009, 02:06 PM
You know I just had a thought, and since i dont read the books or comics maybe this was already mentioned, maybe Megatron was looking for the Fallen instead of the cube (initially) on Earth or where ever the Fallen may have been. The reason for this is the explanation of Megatron using the cube to turn Earths machines into his army, well when he crashed I am pretty sure Earth didnt have much machinery.

If this has already been talked about or is one of those "well duhhh" or I may have missed something than apologies just a thought.:)

phoenixgirl
03-15-2009, 02:49 PM
You know I just had a thought, and since i dont read the books or comics maybe this was already mentioned, maybe Megatron was looking for the Fallen instead of the cube (initially) on Earth or where ever the Fallen may have been. The reason for this is the explanation of Megatron using the cube to turn Earths machines into his army, well when he crashed I am pretty sure Earth didnt have much machinery.

If this has already been talked about or is one of those "well duhhh" or I may have missed something than apologies just a thought.:)

I caught that when I watched the first movie. I was just, "Megatron fell to Earth thousands of years, long before humans had any technological machines." At the time, I thought that may have been a error in the screenplay that was overlooked and I just went along with it.

But now that you mention it, maybe it wasn't and Michael did on purpose as a foreshadow to the second movie. I got to watch the movie again, see what other hints Michael left for us.

Slippery48
03-15-2009, 05:39 PM
here's my theory... and you have to be up to date on the defiance/alliance comics to get my line of thinking.

long long time ago, the Fallen gets banned from Cybertron, he gets exiled and finds himself on Earth. He's worshipped by the inhabitants of Earth as if he is a god, and he learns of the power of the sun. He shows/helps the humans create these great pyramids in his honor...

Cut to many years later on Cybertron, where Defiance picks up. The Autobots find some kind of device, which Megatron uses to communicate with The Fallen on Earth. The Fallen promises Megatron that he can have Cybertron, as long as he helps him. (The Fallen wants the rest of the Universe, he's not worried about Cybertron.) At this point, Megatron tries to take complete control of the Allspark. The Autobots, in an attempt to thwart his plan, jettison the Allspark from Cybertron. (which was The Fallen's plan all along...)

Something happens to The Fallen, whether he runs out of power, the humans find some way to deactive him... something happens (Bay and the geniuses fill in the details.) The Allspark is attracted to Earth because of the Fallen. Again, I can think of why, the writers come up with something good though, whether it's some kind of homing device, or whatever, the Allspark crashes on Earth. And then Megatron follows... and we get Transformers 1.

If this theory is even half right, it would explain Bay's recent comment saying Megatron would be in the movie as flashbacks. If they were setting up the background story for how The Fallen ends up on Earth. Obviously, cut to present day, something happens to bring The Fallen back online.

Shadow
03-15-2009, 05:52 PM
here's my theory... and you have to be up to date on the defiance/alliance comics to get my line of thinking.

long long time ago, the Fallen gets banned from Cybertron, he gets exiled and finds himself on Earth. He's worshipped by the inhabitants of Earth as if he is a god, and he learns of the power of the sun. He shows/helps the humans create these great pyramids in his honor...

Cut to many years later on Cybertron, where Defiance picks up. The Autobots find some kind of device, which Megatron uses to communicate with The Fallen on Earth. The Fallen promises Megatron that he can have Cybertron, as long as he helps him. (The Fallen wants the rest of the Universe, he's not worried about Cybertron.) At this point, Megatron tries to take complete control of the Allspark. The Autobots, in an attempt to thwart his plan, jettison the Allspark from Cybertron. (which was The Fallen's plan all along...)

Something happens to The Fallen, whether he runs out of power, the humans find some way to deactive him... something happens (Bay and the geniuses fill in the details.) The Allspark is attracted to Earth because of the Fallen. Again, I can think of why, the writers come up with something good though, whether it's some kind of homing device, or whatever, the Allspark crashes on Earth. And then Megatron follows... and we get Transformers 1.

If this theory is even half right, it would explain Bay's recent comment saying Megatron would be in the movie as flashbacks. If they were setting up the background story for how The Fallen ends up on Earth. Obviously, cut to present day, something happens to bring The Fallen back online.ya but through all this there is not explanation as to where the Allspark came from, how it ended up on Cybertron, its link to the Fallen and any of the other first 13. I want to know how the Allspark is linked to all of this? OH and i think we will see the Allspark in the second movie as well;)

Trailbreaker
03-15-2009, 06:07 PM
ya but through all this there is not explanation as to where the Allspark came from, how it ended up on Cybertron, its link to the Fallen and any of the other first 13. I want to know how the Allspark is linked to all of this? OH and i think we will see the Allspark in the second movie as well;)
Seeing it in the form of flashbacks?

Shadow
03-15-2009, 06:15 PM
Seeing it in the form of flashbacks? no we are not going to see a lot of flashbacks guys. So dont be expecting much in the way of that. I mean I believe the Allspark will restructure itself and become whole again. Think about it... all the Bots have regenerative abilities... The Allspark created Cybertronian life so you mean to tell me it cant heal itself as long as something from it servives? (The shard)

Trailbreaker
03-15-2009, 06:22 PM
no we are not going to see a lot of flashbacks guys. So dont be expecting much in the way of that. I mean I believe the Allspark will restructure itself and become whole again. Think about it... all the Bots have regenerative abilities... The Allspark created Cybertronian life so you mean to tell me it cant heal itself as long as something from it servives? (The shard)
You know, I don't think the AllSpark was literally destroyed, but more like it was dispersed (think Animated). So somewhere out there AllSpark "stuff" is hanging around, it's just a matter of how you can get that "stuff" back together.

thelastautobot
03-15-2009, 06:24 PM
no we are not going to see a lot of flashbacks guys. So dont be expecting much in the way of that. I mean I believe the Allspark will restructure itself and become whole again. Think about it... all the Bots have regenerative abilities... The Allspark created Cybertronian life so you mean to tell me it cant heal itself as long as something from it servives? (The shard)

I agree with Shadow on this..clearly micheal wanted to show us something more with all these loop holes and the fact that optimus pulled a bit of the allspark from megatron means something, it aint over. So I wonder if in fact the allspark created cybertron. then it created primus? then primus created the first 13, right?

as for the fallen...(shrugs)

thelastautobot
03-15-2009, 06:25 PM
You know, I don't think the AllSpark was literally destroyed, but more like it was dispersed (think Animated). So somewhere out there AllSpark "stuff" is hanging around, it's just a matter of how you can get that "stuff" back together.

until all are one

Shadow
03-15-2009, 09:35 PM
I agree with Shadow on this..clearly micheal wanted to show us something more with all these loop holes and the fact that optimus pulled a bit of the allspark from megatron means something, it aint over. So I wonder if in fact the allspark created cybertron. then it created primus? then primus created the first 13, right?

as for the fallen...(shrugs) the Fallen is one of the 13. He was the last to be created. IM sure somewhere later down the line we will get a real name for him as im sure the Fallen name is just something over the millions of years other Transformers called him in stories as the Fallen one.

MustangPilot007
04-02-2009, 01:31 PM
In the teaser, lightning strikes and instantly........(1:38)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/MustangPilot007/fallen2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/MustangPilot007/Fallen1.jpg

uraydo
04-02-2009, 02:08 PM
OK there is now talk about the Decepticons trying to blow up the sun in the next movie? So here is what I think... We all remember the so called leaked script that was out and in it S-7 had built an orb like device under the Luxor Pyramid casino that ran off the power from the Allspark and in turn that same power ran the united states. The cons wanted this power. So whats not to say that an idea like this isnt being used in the movie but a device is now under the real Pyramids that is getting its power sorce from the Sun? Also in issue 2 of defiance it would seem that the Fallen is being held in some place where its real hot and there is fire... (Hell!!!!) ya maybe but what about at the core of the sun? What if this device in the Pyramids is not only a power sorce of some kind but it will release the Fallen from his burning prison? (Hell or the Sun).

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=15991

please no.