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Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 08:13 AM
Obviously, all kinds of driver variables and such, and the "three beeps" aren't super consistent... but I'm pretty sure this is relatively definitive proof that Z06's have nothing to worry about where GTR's are concerned, either from a dig or a roll...

The Ring is still up in the air, but in a straight line at that price point, R35's are cannon-fodder for a C6 Z06.

Well, we don't know if the Z06 is still on the runflats, but I'm with you:

I thought the GTR would jump the Vette out of the hole hard with that launch control thingy and the Vette would have to haul it down up top.

Apparently not.



Lastly, I'm more convinced now than ever that the Ring run was run with a ringer...

Now remember this is the Z06 not the ZR1 super vette. Not in a magazine, not on the ring where this car was to be the "king of all". This was on the street two production cars. This is owners showing something very much not the same as what Nissan claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjmyt52-c8c&eurl=http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=649628

guitarded
07-20-2008, 11:07 AM
odd.....With all the hype of this gtr, I thought it would have been better. I guess the car is over rated........ Unusual since most high performance cars that come out of Japan are usually "under rated"



Either Way "Good Kill!":cool:

Chip
07-20-2008, 11:31 AM
One of the mornings shows here in Detroit previewed the Corvette ZR1 this morning. I am not a bow-tie fan, but I would spend the 100K in a heartbeat for that car. It almost looks like a sleeper, expecting it to be an ordinary Corvette. It jumped 0-60 in 3.6 and 0-100 in 7.3

Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 07:24 PM
One of the mornings shows here in Detroit previewed the Corvette ZR1 this morning. I am not a bow-tie fan, but I would spend the 100K in a heartbeat for that car. It almost looks like a sleeper, expecting it to be an ordinary Corvette. It jumped 0-60 in 3.6 and 0-100 in 7.3


Yea..and this car in the vid is only the middle of the road Z06..not the ZR1.. ;) hehehe

and the funny thing is Chevy has called out Nissan and said bring it..you bring out your VSpec. GTR We will run our ZR1..
Funny thing is..they have not responded yet..after all the hype I think Nissan got caught. Many are calling bull now to Nissan and are thinking the GTR that made its ring run was the VSpec GTR.

nelson
07-20-2008, 07:36 PM
Both those cars suck. Neither of them can handle turns at high speeds.

guitarded
07-20-2008, 07:42 PM
Both those cars suck. Neither of them can handle turns at high speeds.


True!......and the Viper is Just as Bad. Granted they are much better at it than most affordable high performance cars...but they were never really bred for cornering...The average consumer seeks Straight line performance (drag racing) and that's what the market gives them

Chip
07-20-2008, 08:31 PM
True!......and the Viper is Just as Bad. Granted they are much better at it than most affordable high performance cars...but they were never really bred for cornering...The average consumer seeks Straight line performance (drag racing) and that's what the market gives them

And I personally feel that straightline racing is the most boring think in the world. I'd rather corner...all day long.

Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 08:37 PM
Both those cars suck. Neither of them can handle turns at high speeds.


WHAT????? Your out in left feild... handle turns??? Compared to what..

Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 08:39 PM
And I personally feel that straightline racing is the most boring think in the world. I'd rather corner...all day long.

Shall I give you a list of the cars that the Z06 has beaten at Nurburgrin?
Never mind the Z06..

In fact BRB..I think some people need an education on a car called Corvette..
(http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073)

nelson
07-20-2008, 08:43 PM
WHAT????? Your out in left feild... handle turns??? Compared to what..

To a Porsche 911 turbo, a Ferrari 599, the Koenigsegg, and on and on....

This is how a car should corner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGjqJv3pMmo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVcmi9iW7B8

Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 09:05 PM
I will give you the ZR1 Corvette times around the ring. If anyone who is anyone in the know the ring is the ultimate test in a cars all around performance. INCLUDING Corners!!!

Okay first I will do the Corvette ZR1:
Time:
7:26.4* 168.07 km/h -- Corvette ZR1

The cars it has beat on the track:

7:27.82 167.20 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F Clubsport
7:28 -- 166.65 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT
7:29-- 164.68 km/h -- 2009 Nissan GT-R
7:31 --- 164.38 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2
7:32.52 163.88 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO
7:33 --- 163.71 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F
7:34 --- 163.59 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR
7:35 --- 162.86 km/h -- Ruf Rt12
7.39 --- 161.58 km/h -- Ferrari 430 Scuderia
7:40 --- 161.22 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron *THE VEYRON!!!*
7:40* -- 161.22 km/h – Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
7:42* -- 160.52 km/h – Ford GT
7:42 --- 160.52 km/h –- Porsche 997 GT3 RS

Now this is not ALL the cars it has beaten just some that I think are nnoteworthy of what a ZR1 can do at a fraction of a price to some of these other cars. Zonda's, Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche and BUGATTI! A Corvette can not corner?? At 7:26 this car is in VERY limited company..VERY. NINE cars..yea 9 are faster around the ring than the ZR1 Vette. And I can tell you they are not easy to find or buy cars like the ZR1...:cool:

That brings us to the Z06
Time:
7:42.9 - 160.21 km/h -- Corvette Z06


The cars it has beat on the track:
7:43 --- 160.17 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS
7:43.5 - 160,00 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago
7:44 --- 159.83 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S
7:45 -- 159.48 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24
7:46 --- 159.14 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220
7:46 --- 159.14 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera
7:47 --- 158.80 km/h –- Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
7:50 --- 157.79 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago
7:50 --- 157.79 km/h -- 2009 Porsche Carrera S

Again there are more cars on the list that it beat than just the ones I mentioned. And again the same ones. Porsche, Lambo, Jaguar, Ferrari...And again at a price point that is a fraction of a cost of some of these if not most of these cars..

cant take corners..HA:lol

Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 09:05 PM
To a Porsche 911 turbo, a Ferrari 599, the Koenigsegg, and on and on....

This is how a car should corner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGjqJv3pMmo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVcmi9iW7B8

Ohh I am sorry did you take a look at my list..;) Yea a vette can corner with the best of them..

Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 09:14 PM
you mean corner like this?

Yea this is the ZR1 Vette that ran totally 100% stock right down to the run flat tires. The car that will be in the showroom..and ohh that 911 and Ferrari..it would eat them for breakfast..

enjoy..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mEirkQN8o

Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 09:38 PM
and since were showing Top Gear stuff...

Here..the best explination and example of what this car can do..And for any time this guy give praise to an American car its gotta be good. For I have never seen him not give shit to an American car..even his favorite the Ford GT 40..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29Of-gkNdw

and ohh it was .1 second behind the 911GT3 RS

And how much is the 911 GT3 RS??
And like I said thats the Z06..at 75,000 not the 103,000 ZR1..
so whats that tell you? Tells me that some people have to catch up on reading what Corvettes can really do now.

nelson
07-20-2008, 10:02 PM
I will give you the ZR1 Corvette times around the ring. If anyone who is anyone in the know the ring is the ultimate test in a cars all around performance. INCLUDING Corners!!!

Okay first I will do the Corvette ZR1:
Time:
7:26.4* 168.07 km/h -- Corvette ZR1

The cars it has beat on the track:

7:27.82 167.20 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F Clubsport
7:28 -- 166.65 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT
7:29-- 164.68 km/h -- 2009 Nissan GT-R
7:31 --- 164.38 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2
7:32.52 163.88 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO
7:33 --- 163.71 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F
7:34 --- 163.59 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR
7:35 --- 162.86 km/h -- Ruf Rt12
7.39 --- 161.58 km/h -- Ferrari 430 Scuderia
7:40 --- 161.22 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron *THE VEYRON!!!*
7:40* -- 161.22 km/h – Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
7:42* -- 160.52 km/h – Ford GT
7:42 --- 160.52 km/h –- Porsche 997 GT3 RS

Now this is not ALL the cars it has beaten just some that I think are nnoteworthy of what a ZR1 can do at a fraction of a price to some of these other cars. Zonda's, Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche and BUGATTI! A Corvette can not corner?? At 7:26 this car is in VERY limited company..VERY. NINE cars..yea 9 are faster around the ring than the ZR1 Vette. And I can tell you they are not easy to find or buy cars like the ZR1...:cool:

That brings us to the Z06
Time:
7:42.9 - 160.21 km/h -- Corvette Z06


The cars it has beat on the track:
7:43 --- 160.17 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS
7:43.5 - 160,00 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago
7:44 --- 159.83 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S
7:45 -- 159.48 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24
7:46 --- 159.14 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220
7:46 --- 159.14 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera
7:47 --- 158.80 km/h –- Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
7:50 --- 157.79 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago
7:50 --- 157.79 km/h -- 2009 Porsche Carrera S

Again there are more cars on the list that it beat than just the ones I mentioned. And again the same ones. Porsche, Lambo, Jaguar, Ferrari...And again at a price point that is a fraction of a cost of some of these if not most of these cars..

cant take corners..HA:lol



You got the wrong list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

And the z06 that clocked in at that time was a pre-production car (http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0509_z06track/index.html) that probably won't hit the streets.

nelson
07-20-2008, 10:04 PM
and since were showing Top Gear stuff...

Here..the best explination and example of what this car can do..And for any time this guy give praise to an American car its gotta be good. For I have never seen him not give shit to an American car..even his favorite the Ford GT 40..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29Of-gkNdw
.

Maybe you need to view TG a bit more. Clarkson has many favorite cars (http://youtube.com/watch?v=s25U0hbh03k).

guitarded
07-20-2008, 10:19 PM
And I personally feel that straightline racing is the most boring think in the world. I'd rather corner...all day long.


Really :rolleyes:.....You probably drive some slow ass 3 cylinder crap to make that statement.......

....and usually the ones who end up smashing their cars while street racing through heavy traffic

Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 10:23 PM
You got the wrong list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

And the z06 that clocked in at that time was a pre-production car (http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0509_z06track/index.html) that probably won't hit the streets.


Z06 is on the streets man.

The ZR1 is comming out now.

By: Tadge J. Juechter
Corvette Chief Engineer
I know many people have been very interested in how fast the ZR1 would be at the Ring…
Most car enthusiasts are quite familiar with the Nürburgring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring). Built in the 1920’s near Cologne, Germany, “the Ring” is considered to be the toughest and most challenging race track in the world.
Over the last two weeks, we have been doing our final tuning and testing there before we start ZR1 production cars. This morning (Friday June 27), General Motors development engineer Jim Mero drove the Corvette ZR1 around the Nürburgring in a time of 7:26.4.
Jim commented after the lap that conditions were good except for a strong headwind down the main straight and that the lap was solid, but he felt there were a few places he could have gone faster.
The car was bone stock with the exception of the communications and safety equipment. The tires were production Michelin Pilot Sport 2’s. These tires have been developed specifically for the ZR1 and will have impressive wet traction and wear (tread wear rating = 220), in addition to excellent dry road holding. Chassis alignment and vehicle height were set to factory specs. Likewise, the engine calibrations were absolutely stock, emissions compliant and the car ran on pump (not racing) fuel. The vehicle was exactly like the cars that will be built in Bowling Green (http://www.gmnext.com/Details/Videos.aspx?id=66b13bc9-3d11-4994-b074-fc65a55b9c4c), Kentucky and sold around the world later this summer.

Ever since the Z06 came out it has out performed its paper numbers. GM has done this on all its corvettes in the last 10 years. Why would they drop the ball on the most coveted vettes in History? I bet you not only that it will hold up to these numbers but in fact be better next time around...
And list..umm the list says the same anywhere you look it up. Like I said I just picked some cars out and not posting all of them and again the car put up the 7:26.4. How can you say it can not handle the corners?


and yes I have watched enough TG to know hes a pompus ass..and he knows it..

guitarded
07-20-2008, 10:31 PM
Maybe you need to view TG a bit more. Clarkson has many favorite cars (http://youtube.com/watch?v=s25U0hbh03k).



hahahaha.......tha's funny:). I saw one a while back where he had a dodge ram on a track making fun of its inability to take corners. :lol It was all over the place

I've never driven a vette, but I've driven two vipers. The 98 rt-10 is useless at 100mph as it does not come equipped with side windows. It is a great cruising car, and great for doing burnouts......and a chick magnet
The car handles corners laterally....no body roll whatsoever, but it's really squirrelly, and too easy to put into a drift.

The 2000 Viper GTS was a step up......addition of a roof and side windows, added some weight to the rear, and handled much better than the rt-10. But I'm sure there was a good reason for coming up with the GTS-R

nelson
07-20-2008, 10:31 PM
Z06 is on the streets.
The ZR1

Ever since the Z06 came out it has out performed its paper numbers. GM has done this on all its corvettes in the last 10 years. Why would they drop the ball on the most coveted vettes in History? I bet you not only that it will hold up to these numbers but in fact be better next time around...

You have to be pretty naive to believe what any car manufacturer would tell you in regard to their pre-production cars being the same as their street production cars. That goes for any car manufacturer.

Z28 Autobot
07-20-2008, 10:48 PM
no not naive Nelson. Proof on the street. The Z06 has been putting down MORE hp to the wheels than GM has advertised for some time now. This is private owners on corvette forums documenting this.
Also the 1998-2002 Camaro and Firebirds with the LS1 engines. They were rated at 305-320HP depending on the trim. And yet people were putting down HP numbers that would suggest flywheel HP to be at 350HP..
The thing is the Z06 the car you can go out and get now can and has done what you say it can not do in the times it says or take corners like you say. I have seen the cars do it personally at many a tracks up and down the east coast. Thats if you don't want to compare any times on the ring. What you call junk is kicking ass on cars costing much more. Thats not factory speculation thats actual events.
The ZR1..with GM's track record for the last 10 years I see no change in fact I see more being revealed as time goes on....:lol

guitarded
07-20-2008, 10:57 PM
I don't know about figures on the LS1 camaros....I've seen guys run them at the drags with headers and drag radials, turning best times of 13.8's in the 1/4. This is at only a mere 700 ft above sea level and cooler temperatures below 70 Fahrenheit.

I think there are a lot of guys around the net who loosely use the the word "Stock" to describe their cars.....

Chip
07-21-2008, 07:20 AM
Really :rolleyes:.....You probably drive some slow ass 3 cylinder crap to make that statement.......

....and usually the ones who end up smashing their cars while street racing through heavy traffic

Wow...I didn't know we were going to begin making this personal...I sure as hell wasn't. My comment was simple, I prefer racing road courses over dragging. Currently I drive a Civic Si (I wanted fuel efficiency and some performance for less than $20k). Previously Honda S2000, Mustang GT, Jeep Wrangler and my '88 F-150 (she had plenty of lift and rode on 38's). Other than the Jeep, all have been on the track and none of them have touched the wall! You know a great deal about cars, but know who you are riping before you open your mouth. I WILL NOT run a car on the road and risk someone else's life. There are plenty of open track days at most area race courses. I run go-karts whenever I have a chance. I am trying to get a team together to run Mid-Ohio on a regular basis next year. I am using my dad's old twin engine mccullough outlaw to get comfortable with high speeds. Both of my parents met while racing the Cart circuit in the 70's.

Btw...I am willing to bet most dumbasses are injured dragging racing on the streets rather than being intelligent enough to take the car to a track (road or 1/4 mile).

Oh, and before you make a comment about me driving a rice burner...I am presently restoring a '66 Mustang and recently finished a sand-rail.

Sorry to fire back...but don't insult me when it comes to driving.

guitarded
07-21-2008, 07:39 AM
Wow...I didn't know we were going to begin making this personal...I sure as hell wasn't. My comment was simple, I prefer racing road courses over dragging. Currently I drive a Civic Si (I wanted fuel efficiency and some performance for less than $20k). Previously Honda S2000, Mustang GT, Jeep Wrangler and my '88 F-150 (she had plenty of lift and rode on 38's). Other than the Jeep, all have been on the track and none of them have touched the wall! You know a great deal about cars, but know who you are riping before you open your mouth. I WILL NOT run a car on the road and risk someone else's life. There are plenty of open track days at most area race courses. I run go-karts whenever I have a chance. I am trying to get a team together to run Mid-Ohio on a regular basis next year. I am using my dad's old twin engine mccullough outlaw to get comfortable with high speeds. Both of my parents met while racing the Cart circuit in the 70's.

Btw...I am willing to bet most dumbasses are injured dragging racing on the streets rather than being intelligent enough to take the car to a track (road or 1/4 mile).

Oh, and before you make a comment about me driving a rice burner...I am presently restoring a '66 Mustang and recently finished a sand-rail.

Sorry to fire back...but don't insult me when it comes to driving.

LOL.....it wasn't personal. Thanks for the resume ;)

Chip
07-21-2008, 07:55 AM
My pleasure. How's the new engine coming along?

guitarded
07-21-2008, 09:12 AM
My pleasure. How's the new engine coming along?

Its been running for a few weeks now, and boy do I love it :) At roughly 7 psi boost, I've clocked 0-60mph in 4.1 seconds (my truck weighs 5800 lbs). Can't wait to see what it does at 14 psi

I installed a new 3000 stall (3700 flash stall) torque converter from "EDGE" that seems to be a dud. It's not locking up at all, so I pulled it out. There are other people having issues with converters from "Edge" ...So If you know anyone looking for an aftermarket converter....tell them to stay away from that company.

I was previously running with an APS 2500. I sold it after a week of driving with the EDGE.......Wish I would have kept it. It gave me no trouble at all for the 2 years I had it

Chip
07-21-2008, 09:19 AM
You certainly know your stuff when it comes to car tech. That is a sick 0-60 for a truck. Nice job.

Z28 Autobot
07-21-2008, 05:49 PM
I don't know about figures on the LS1 camaros....I've seen guys run them at the drags with headers and drag radials, turning best times of 13.8's in the 1/4. This is at only a mere 700 ft above sea level and cooler temperatures below 70 Fahrenheit.

I think there are a lot of guys around the net who loosely use the the word "Stock" to describe their cars.....

Mother Mopar is your flag you fly under like mine is with GM.I know one thing about the LS1 F Bodies. The Camaro was running low 13's right out of the box. 13.8 with headers and D/R's thats not HP something was wrong with his set up. Heck I hit 13.9 with my 94 LT1 before bolt ons. So a LS1 should do better. And its been around for 10 years and I have seen it plenty of times to tell you the LS1 is a low 13 second car out of the box. And it was making on the dyno 350. And being 10 years I have had my fair share of buddies who have bought these cars and went to the track with them..when they get it right its low 13's all night. The thing with the LS1 is the launch off the line is a little changed to the LT1. I would line up at NEDW and I would jump on them and get a good car car and a half then 2nd gear I would see the LS1's just blow by my door. The end of the track I would be at his rear bumper or worse.;)