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chubchub
10-07-2007, 01:32 PM
I don't know if you guys have heard about it, but there was a leaked script of TF.
Click to view it here (http://tinyurl.com/2398ya).
uraydo
10-07-2007, 02:02 PM
http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showthread.php?t=13486
uraydo
10-07-2007, 06:24 PM
On a side note. after reading the "rave" reviews of this script and hearing it was a fake, I decided to read a little bit of it myself (since Don Murphy himself, pretty much said it had no spoiler info in it). I also decided that I would be the guy that when against the crowd.
This treatment sucks!!!!!
Galvatron
10-07-2007, 09:31 PM
On a side note. after reading the "rave" reviews of this script and hearing it was a fake, I decided to read a little bit of it myself (since Don Murphy himself, pretty much said it had no spoiler info in it). I also decided that I would be the guy that when against the crowd.
This treatment sucks!!!!! :eek:
To each his own of course but you should read the entire thing as I did and are you just saying it sucks just to go against the grain or because you really feel that way ?
Just wondering is all ? :D
uraydo
10-07-2007, 09:37 PM
On a side note. after reading the "rave" reviews of this script and hearing it was a fake, I decided to read a little bit of it myself (since Don Murphy himself, pretty much said it had no spoiler info in it). I also decided that I would be the guy that when against the crowd.
This treatment sucks!!!!! :eek:
To each his own of course but you should read the entire thing as I did and are you just saying it sucks just to go against the grain or because you really feel that way ?
Just wondering is all ? :D
No I am saying it because of what I said at the official board.
"the Nemesis's alt form just didn't sit well with me. Soundwave's alt-form bothered me, because if he could do all that stuff before becoming a "sound lazer cannon" then why not pick something a little more mobile. Speaking of Soundwave, I really don't agree with the whole sound is energy thing. Sound is more of a product of energy, rather than a form. also, I hated Sam's friend. I hated the street racing bit. and I really hated the "my car has auto pilot" bit.
but by far, the worst part was the whole Los Vegas bit. In the first movie, I had a hard time swallowing the reverse engineering of Megatron, and the whole giant battery is a million times worse.
and that is where I stopped reading."
Galvatron
10-07-2007, 09:41 PM
[quote=Galvatron;1885]
No I am saying it because of what I said at the official board.
"the Nemesis's alt form just didn't sit well with me. Soundwave's alt-form bothered me, because if he could do all that stuff before becoming a "sound lazer cannon" then why not pick something a little more mobile. Speaking of Soundwave, I really don't agree with the whole sound is energy thing. Sound is more of a product of energy, rather than a form. also, I hated Sam's friend. I hated the street racing bit. and I really hated the "my car has auto pilot" bit.
but by far, the worst part was the whole Los Vegas bit. In the first movie, I had a hard time swallowing the reverse engineering of Megatron, and the whole giant battery is a million times worse.
and that is where I stopped reading."
True, they should have left it as an actual starship rather than an actual robot capable of being another form...they could have left it at the bottom of the ocean like in G1 to throw another bone to the G1'ers
uraydo
10-07-2007, 10:15 PM
[quote=uraydo;1886]
True, they should have left it as an actual starship rather than an actual robot capable of being another form...they could have left it at the bottom of the ocean like in G1 to throw another bone to the G1'ers
It's not even that. I just thought it would be bigger.
Sillypuddy
10-08-2007, 01:14 AM
Even though this can't be real, I can't say it sucks. It almost has an Empire feel to it. Any hook to make the plot for the 2nd movie work is going to come under HUGE criticism by at least a couple thousand different factions of complainers and TF purists. If #2 is to be darker, which I think it should, then there needs to be a serious controversial/gut wrenching ending that will make you scream for a third movie.
The Nemesis being a carrier makes sense if the Decepticon's need for cover is thru Military vehicles. The use of Devastator is pointless unless his name is not mentioned---they screwed that up by not using Brawl for the tank. Hot Rod as a Ferrari--not bad--Magnus hauling other Bots to the fight--cool-- who they are and what car is way intresting---staying w/GM since that could happen again-- how bout Brawn(H3), Sideswipe(Red XLR), Tracks( ZO6), and Cliffjumper (Avalanche--unless he is a Red version of Bumblebee). Soundwave as a sound/energy transmitter...could be worse--- a tape player or something closer to G1 does not make sense--- Starscreams army should be all of the jets-- Thrust,Dirge,Ramjet,Thundercracker,and yes!! Skywarp!!
thats all I got--:eek:
Alpina
10-08-2007, 06:15 AM
This is "script" was, however entertaining with a pretty solid feeling to it, to extensive. The movie would need to break the 3h mark and probably be twice as expensive. Now, the script was fake as proven by DM, I do find som aspects of it to be considered, if possible, by the writers in movie #2. I like the HotRod-Ferrari aspect VERY much, imagine that car-chase between this Autobot-Ferrari and the Decepticon-Lamborghini proposed by your's truly, that's true "Bayhem".
fu2kimus_prime
10-08-2007, 06:56 AM
That treatment sucked because theres far too many TF's in it, which is fine for a long term fan like myself, but not fine for casual movie goers. However there are ideas in there that I wouldn't mind being used in a sequel such as dissent in the Decepticon ranks, and Starscream being made an example of, and the idea of Decepticons infiltrating the military is pretty cool.
But if ll those ideas in the treatment made it into one film it'd be a bigger cluster fuck than any of the Pirates sequels.
I'm starting to wonder if this so-called "false treatment" was deliberately leaked by the production office. The filmmakers could then analyze the reactions from TF fans on the message forums. If the geeks hate it, they'll run with it. If the geeks love it, they'll dump it. :rolleyes:
Man, I've gotta lay off the conspiracy theories...
nelson
10-08-2007, 09:22 AM
Bay doesn't do movies by commitee, much less by fandom request/wishes.
TIMtationX
10-08-2007, 10:10 AM
100000% fan made script
nelson
10-08-2007, 10:31 AM
100000% fan made script
Actually, it wasn't.
OmarB
10-08-2007, 11:07 AM
Wow that script sucked!
nelson
10-08-2007, 11:47 AM
It's a treatment...far cry from a shooting script.
devonnewberry
10-08-2007, 12:58 PM
[quote=Galvatron;1887]
It's not even that. I just thought it would be bigger.
I agree. I thought about it and yeah, the idea of Las Vegas was lame, I don't like the street racing idea (Tokyo Drift anyone?) and Shige is just a useless character.
Too many robots will result in a huge clusterfuck.
**SPOILERS (AS USUAL)**
Shige has the potential to be a cool new addition to the human cast, but the way he comes off in the treatment is...er...less than stellar. :o Then again, first drafts are all ABOUT discovering what works and what doesn't.
If Shige is to be Asian, make him Japanese (a nice little nod to the movie's real audience ;)), and try to avoid the usual "sidekick" cliches common in the action genre. DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE is a good example of how to do a "buddy-buddy" relationship on-screen. Let Shige collaborate with Sam, instead of just assisting him. Also, the name's gotta go. Call him Usagi, Hikaru, Tenchi...anything except Shige.
(Of course, I'm still basing all this on a treatment which may or may not have ANYTHING to do with the finished movie.)
sideswipe
10-08-2007, 01:48 PM
I don't see why Las Vegas is lame. It makes things a lot easier for people to see. The last time, I had no clue where the bots were in relation to each other. Was the battle with Ironhide/Blackout happening just in sight of Prime/Megs? Were they around the corner? Where was Bonecrusher? It left out all the feel of tactics to the battle. Brawl stood out there like a huge mutant monster just rawrrring like an idiot. He barely even tried to take a defensive position to better protect himself. I don't think any soldier of any army just stands out in the open shooting at nothing and yelling at everybody. That'd be the quickest way to get killed. The open spaces of Las Vegas allow you to see the tactics unfolding of two military squads strategizing/knocking the snot out of each other.
I think the script is actually very, very , very good. It has everything the old movie lacked - plot, character development, more TF time, less extraneous human groups that didn't add anything to the story and actually detracted from the story. It ties up the old bad movie and makes right of a lot of things that would be otherwise hard to follow up on. It leaves the Autobots dejected and demoralized, the perfect low point for the 2nd movie in a 3 part series. It adds drama and emotion - the deaths of pilots being caught inside a transforming plane. Gory, but its get the point across that Decepticons aren't to be messed with at all. Mikaela dying, or at least Sam thinking she is, adds a lot. Hot Rod causing Prime to get injured. Starscream getting killed. Soundwave's loyalty. It even has a cliffhanger moment in the whole movie where the audience might hold its breath while Mikaela's finger is hanging over the button to destroy the Stratosphere. Could you imagine it? All you have is action, explosions, fighting music all around you, the suddenly everything becomes silent during that scene as its a slow mo. Would be an excellent cliffhanger indeed.
I hope though that the producers go with cooler cars than GM. I LOVE the idea of Hot Rod being a Ferrarri. I hope some of the cars that UM is carrying are Sideswipe and Sunstreaker as Lamborghinis, Wheeljack as a Lancia, Brawn as some sort of SUV, and Hound as a Jeep.
The treatment totally rocks and I hope the producers use it.
devonnewberry
10-08-2007, 03:12 PM
I don't see why Las Vegas is lame. It makes things a lot easier for people to see. The last time, I had no clue where the bots were in relation to each other. Was the battle with Ironhide/Blackout happening just in sight of Prime/Megs? Were they around the corner? Where was Bonecrusher? It left out all the feel of tactics to the battle. Brawl stood out there like a huge mutant monster just rawrrring like an idiot. He barely even tried to take a defensive position to better protect himself. I don't think any soldier of any army just stands out in the open shooting at nothing and yelling at everybody. That'd be the quickest way to get killed. The open spaces of Las Vegas allow you to see the tactics unfolding of two military squads strategizing/knocking the snot out of each other.
I think the script is actually very, very , very good. It has everything the old movie lacked - plot, character development, more TF time, less extraneous human groups that didn't add anything to the story and actually detracted from the story. It ties up the old bad movie and makes right of a lot of things that would be otherwise hard to follow up on. It leaves the Autobots dejected and demoralized, the perfect low point for the 2nd movie in a 3 part series. It adds drama and emotion - the deaths of pilots being caught inside a transforming plane. Gory, but its get the point across that Decepticons aren't to be messed with at all. Mikaela dying, or at least Sam thinking she is, adds a lot. Hot Rod causing Prime to get injured. Starscream getting killed. Soundwave's loyalty. It even has a cliffhanger moment in the whole movie where the audience might hold its breath while Mikaela's finger is hanging over the button to destroy the Stratosphere. Could you imagine it? All you have is action, explosions, fighting music all around you, the suddenly everything becomes silent during that scene as its a slow mo. Would be an excellent cliffhanger indeed.
I hope though that the producers go with cooler cars than GM. I LOVE the idea of Hot Rod being a Ferrarri. I hope some of the cars that UM is carrying are Sideswipe and Sunstreaker as Lamborghinis, Wheeljack as a Lancia, Brawn as some sort of SUV, and Hound as a Jeep.
The treatment totally rocks and I hope the producers use it.
Vegas doesn't work because it's been covered by desert. :p
i-MAN
10-08-2007, 03:26 PM
Actually, it wasn't.
I hope you're right ! , love it already ! hope bay can pull this off :D
uraydo
10-08-2007, 04:04 PM
Actually, it wasn't.
i still stand by my original statement. It sucked.
Are we still talking about it?
Whatever it was, I quite enjoyed it. I love reading something wrote with sincerity. ;)
One thing I'd like to say is, like I said, a biased Asian character could not be a nod to the Asian market. It might leave a weird impression to us. (Sam's
"It's probably Japanese." thing was tolerable.) So, take someoene else along instead of Shige-like boy.
I just hope they don't make the mistake MATRIX 2 and PIRATES 2 made, i.e. bringing the small details everybody hated from the first movie into sharp focus and completely blur what drew people to the franchise in the first place.
TIMtationX
10-08-2007, 08:04 PM
Actually, it wasn't.
Movie doesn't drop until 2009, and stuff is already leaking.
Spanbauer
10-08-2007, 08:23 PM
It most certainly wasn't a piece of fan fiction. Too many important details were sorted out that a piece of fanwank would fail to address — most notably why have the Decepticons returned to Earth, and how are the humans from the first film still integral to the story. Additionally, whomever wrote that treatment had a very strong understanding of the themes and subplots of the first film, taking the opportunity of the sequel to develop them even further. Lastly, the treatment brought several original ideas to the Transformers lore; fanwank generally just rehashes that which has come before.
The treatment they decide to use in the end it may not be, but a treatment by a Hollywood writer(s) it most certainly was.
devonnewberry
10-08-2007, 08:51 PM
Movie doesn't drop until 2009, and stuff is already leaking.
It's gonna happen; they're in the writing process right now. They have to start shooting I imagine somewhat soon (like early 2008 soon) to get all the effects done
It most certainly wasn't a piece of fan fiction. Too many important details were sorted out that a piece of fanwank would fail to address — most notably why have the Decepticons returned to Earth, and how are the humans from the first film still integral to the story. Additionally, whomever wrote that treatment had a very strong understanding of the themes and subplots of the first film, taking the opportunity of the sequel to develop them even further. Lastly, the treatment brought several original ideas to the Transformers lore; fanwank generally just rehashes that which has come before.
There's only one piece of "fanwank" that I would beg Mr. Bay to use:
Unicron. And by Unicron, I mean a bad-ass cliffhanger for Movie 2 to close out on.
Galvatron
10-08-2007, 10:05 PM
Are we still talking about it?
Whatever it was, I quite enjoyed it. I love reading something wrote with sincerity. ;)
One thing I'd like to say is, like I said, a biased Asian character could not be a nod to the Asian market. It might leave a weird impression to us. (Sam's
"It's probably Japanese." thing was tolerable.) So, take someoene else along instead of Shige-like boy.
Well, I think it was certainly meant as a compliment to the Japanese supremacy in robotics design and manufacturing is all, nobody can deny that. :)
American robotics came up with the "Roomba", I bet one of those could kick Bumblebee's ass! :p
lol
bliss81
10-08-2007, 10:46 PM
It's a treatment...far cry from a shooting script.
hey iceforest, any comment on what bay thought about this treatment? i was asleep of when all this BS came about.
bliss81
10-08-2007, 10:46 PM
It most certainly wasn't a piece of fan fiction. Too many important details were sorted out that a piece of fanwank would fail to address — most notably why have the Decepticons returned to Earth, and how are the humans from the first film still integral to the story. Additionally, whomever wrote that treatment had a very strong understanding of the themes and subplots of the first film, taking the opportunity of the sequel to develop them even further. Lastly, the treatment brought several original ideas to the Transformers lore; fanwank generally just rehashes that which has come before.
The treatment they decide to use in the end it may not be, but a treatment by a Hollywood writer(s) it most certainly was.
are you sure?
Well, I think it was certainly meant as a compliment to the Japanese supremacy in robotics design and manufacturing is all, :)
I hope so. That scene makes us feel little embarrassed (Audiences made bittersweet giggles and timid coughs.) like ... "Oh, Are we Japanese seen as some sort of mech-fetishist?" :o (Uh... it might be undeniable for me and my mates who've made stories featuring heavily-armed robo-chicks in micromini skirts.)
American robotics came up with the "Roomba", I bet one of those could kick Bumblebee's ass! :p lol
kawaii! He (or she?) will be good friend of AIBO.
Sillypuddy
10-08-2007, 11:47 PM
A co-worker tried to tell me today they got a hold of the new script--- how shattered they were to find out it is not the real thing.....:eek: Amusement for the day--- how nice!
Spanbauer
10-09-2007, 12:08 AM
are you sure?
Foshizzle. It's way too good to be written by someone who hasn't already "made it". If I had to guess, I'd say they asked Kruger to submit a treatment as part of the hiring process, and this was what he wrote that got him the gig. So it's not an official submission for the actual film persay, but it's not "fake" either.
bliss81
10-09-2007, 05:09 AM
Foshizzle. It's way too good to be written by someone who hasn't already "made it". If I had to guess, I'd say they asked Kruger to submit a treatment as part of the hiring process, and this was what he wrote that got him the gig. So it's not an official submission for the actual film persay, but it's not "fake" either.
regardless of its authenticity, i'm sure the screenwriters can pull of something far greater. having said that i haven't seen this supposed treatment. don't even want to read the summaries of it.
i'm quite out of the loop while in australia. if shit goes down, i wont know until the next morning.
anyway, so what happened to ur buddy TV?
Galvatron
10-09-2007, 07:11 AM
I won't make up my mind completely one way or the other always leaving room for error as I like to play things on the safe side but if it's fake then I'm pretty disappointed as I thought most of it was pretty darn good, there were a few elements I did not care for but I can live with them if they come to light.
If it is real then I'm glad I made a copy of it before it was removed and also if it's fake I think this person or persons need to stop wasting time writing fan wank and get this to the people who would recognize it for being pretty damn good and possibly use it in the next movie.
darthrage
10-10-2007, 02:27 AM
how is any of this real?
The script isn't even ready yet
Spanbauer
10-10-2007, 08:33 AM
how is any of this real?
The script isn't even ready yet
A treatment is what gets ok'ed before they begin work on the full-blown script. This leak was a 13-page treatment — a summary of what the script could have been based on.
Devastator
10-10-2007, 10:51 AM
History repeats itself.
Johnny LaPhlegm
10-10-2007, 11:33 AM
Just read the treatment. Good stuff! I'm surprised everyone here is trashing it. Very Empire Strikes Back.
Galvatron
10-10-2007, 01:02 PM
Just read the treatment. Good stuff! I'm surprised everyone here is trashing it. Very Empire Strikes Back.
Not me, I rather enjoyed it and liked almost every single element of it.
:cool:
uraydo
10-10-2007, 04:41 PM
I think, I'm the only one really trashing it.
darthrage
10-10-2007, 05:23 PM
has anyone held off on reading it?
I normally don't read them but one thing I can't stay away from is teasers, tv spots and trailers.
Galvatron
10-10-2007, 05:26 PM
has anyone held off on reading it?
I normally don't read them but one thing I can't stay away from is teasers, tv spots and trailers.
I was just too tempted and felt like a kid in a candy factory!
Even if it was confirmed to be the actual script I'm sure there would be plenty of changes made in the next many months.
The script to the first movie was leaked a good year as far as I can remember before the movies release so I would bet money that this one will too!
r-type
10-10-2007, 09:37 PM
has anyone held off on reading it?
I normally don't read them but one thing I can't stay away from is teasers, tv spots and trailers. Not by choice, moreso, I missed out on it. All of this went down over the weekend while I was away. While this one was supposedly just a treatment, the same thing happened to me with the script for the first one. Kinda glad its not readily available anymore, probably wouldn't have been able to resist.
And just like the first time around I'm not gonna go around looking for it. Ignorance is bliss in that regard, even as those who discuss it here and abroad break the whole thing down (as the first).
uraydo
10-10-2007, 10:16 PM
I don't think I would have read what I had if Don didn't say it wasn't the treatment that they were going with.
xXRavenXx
10-11-2007, 05:16 PM
From what I get this film is being written or in Pre script form. So you get a Treatment, Draft, 2nd, Final, Production, even alt drafts that we haven't seen.
BUT, with the Mass shaping idea, and the fact that I said this before the thread was posted I am glad that the Nemisis is a Carrier. That gives way for (toy wise) a MASSIVE toy that you could put an army of Starscream (as an f-35) and stealths galore.
EDIT: ixnay on the oilerspay
xXRavenXx
10-11-2007, 05:17 PM
I think, I'm the only one really trashing it.
Yea, but you are know to trash everything just so you can be proven wrong and get one hell of a shock in the theaters. :D
The Oncoming Storm
10-23-2007, 05:14 PM
does anyone have a link to this? the link posted is defunct =/