Transformers 2 writers confirmed

[devonnewberry]

Ehren Kruger, Alex Kurtzman and Robert Orci.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6372



Transformers 2 Writers Confirmed
Source: The Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i298d60247271e2fe1722233a840531a6)
October 4, 2007


Screenwriter Ehren Kruger and the writing team of Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci are in talks to team to write the screenplay for DreamWorks/Paramount's Transformers 2 (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=37679), says The Hollywood Reporter.

Director Michael Bay, star Shia LaBeouf and producers Tom DeSanto, Lorenzo di Bonaventura and Don Murphy are back in their respective chairs, as is executive (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6372#) producer Steven Spielberg.

The trade adds that the teaming of A-listers to write such a huge project might be an industry first and could have been necessary because Kurtzman and Orci -- who wrote first movie -- also are busy writing J.J. Abrams' Star Trek (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15645) movie for Paramount and producing Eagle Eye (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=21396) for DreamWorks.

The three writers are also working together on Nightlife, a DreamWorks serial-killer project that sees Kruger adapting a Thomas Perry novel, with Kurtzman and Orci producing along with Neal Moritz. Kruger also adapted the Stephen King novel "The Talisman," which Spielberg is exec producing for TNT.

Kruger met with Bay and Hasbro president Brian Goldner and impressed the duo with his knowledge of the "Transformers (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6372#)" mythology.

[sora]

That's great to hear! They seem to be extremely busy but I wish much they would be back to TF2 soon.

[LadiesMan217]

That's fantastic! (if it's true). Kurtzman & Orci did a good job with the first flick in my opinion. By now, they also have a nice working relationship with both Bay and Spielberg.

Ehren Krueger has written a lot of shit though, mostly thrillers/horror-flick, so who knows how he will handle this, but if he has a knowledge of Transformers then I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

[uraydo]

I have mixed feeling about this. Although I like the writers, I think they copped out on some important things like *spoiler* Jazz's death*spoiler*.

[MitP]

Personally, I'm hoping the writers don't pull an "X-MEN 3" and introduce too many new characters before continuing to develop the ones they already have. Bring in Arcee and Soundwave, by all means, but stay focused on Sam and Optimus Prime above all else. Don't resurrect Megatron, at least just yet; give Starscream a chance to shine as the Decepticon leader.

That's all the advice I can give to Kruger, Orci, and Kurtzman.

[OmarB]

Wow, the same guys that delivered the story that most of us said needed work in the first place and a new guy who's written one clunker after another. Well maybe these 3 minds might put together something more compelling than the first movie's story.

I wish I could be excited about this one but I'm not. The first one I loved because of everything but the script, I hope this time it's not more of the same.

[devonnewberry]

I hope they don't speed through it because of this strike. "quality over quantity"

[nelson]

Chud's take...

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=12037



My copy of the Transformers DVD just came in the mail, and I'm excited to pop the film in and watch it again; the movie has really grown on me in the months since I've seen it. I'm curious how it will play on the small screen since the parts that have grown in my mind are not the parts with big action but the 'smaller' moments. I think that's a credit to Michael Bay, since I read the script to Transformers by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman and kind of hated it, but that script was there on the screen.

I say this as a way of minimizing the possible negative impact of this announcement: Ehren Kruger is in talks to join Orci and Kurtzman as a writer on the Transformers sequel. Ehren Kruger has written a number of movies, and one of them - Arlington Road - was quite good. The Ring was passable. Every other one sucked so hard that they gave my eyeballs hickies. He wrote Blood & Chocolate, for Christ's sake. And I know that you have to give screenwriters some leeway - what they write and what ends up on film often have nothing in common. But if Kruger's work is getting bastardized this badly, he needs to write under a pseudonym. But I suspect that he really needs to write in a bunker 100 miles beneath the surface of the Earth, without any method of passing his writing on to Hollywood producers.

I'm chalking this up to pre-strike madness - the Writers Guild is rumbling about going on strike like ASAP, and not waiting for the Directors and Actors, like everyone assumed, which would mean no new scripts past this month. But even still, can't Dreamworks-Paramount (the new name!!!) get somebody DECENT on this script? Surely they have the budget. What would be totally dope would be getting John Sayles back into B-movie mode for this one. The paycheck could help fund his next real movie, and Transformers 2 would suddenly have a pedigree.

[uraydo]

Wow, the same guys that delivered the story that most of us said needed work in the first place and a new guy who's written one clunker after another. Well maybe these 3 minds might put together something more compelling than the first movie's story.

I wish I could be excited about this one but I'm not. The first one I loved because of everything but the script, I hope this time it's not more of the same.

Well, that is the thing Orci and Kurtzman did not come up with the original story, they only reworked an existing script. as for how much was there doing, I don't know. you would have to talk to someone who read the original script.

[MitP]

Chud's take...

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=12037

Aaaah...good ol' Devin Faraci. I appreciate his view on the movie, but on the other hand, he HAS been very public in his opinion of all TF fans being infantilist perverts. (The operative word here is "all", as opposed to "some".) :rolleyes:

[Simon]

I don't care at all who the writers are in a Bay film.
The "story" / screenplay / whatever of the first movie already was bad, who cares.

[AllThatJazz]

Great to see they aren't wasting time with Transformers 2.


I don't care at all who the writers are in a Bay film.
The "story" / screenplay / whatever of the first movie already was bad, who cares.
Agree, but a good story/script wouln't hurt, right? :)

[LadiesMan217]

Roberto Orci spent a lot of time on Don's board and on the main Transformers-board during the making of Part 1. I hope he comes here and posts as well - actually it would be better for him 'cause most people here were enthuastic about the first film, while on the others there's sorta 50/50, the fans of the movie and then the whiners :p

Oh, and the script for Part 1 wasn't bad. It wasn't great either but it's based on an old cartoon so what can we really demand? I haven't seen that much of G1 (just a few episodes) but the way some fans talk about them, like the stories are something of the best ever written I will have huge expectations :rolleyes:

[sora]

Happily I like the way Orci and Kurtzman wrote in the first flick. I felt the movie had a kind of relaxed and warm atmothphere G1 cartoons used to have.
So I'm happy to hear that Bay, Shia, ILM, Jablonsky, entire crew involved in the first installment are back to TF2 again. I hope they'll continue what they want to do.

As for Kruger, if he's a huge fan of TF, I think there is nothing to worry about. (Am I overly optimistic?) ;)

[Galvatron]

Happily I like the way Orci and Kurtzman wrote in the first flick. I felt the movie had a kind of relaxed and warm atmothphere G1 cartoons used to have.
So I'm happy to hear that Bay, Shia, ILM, Jablonsky, entire crew involved in the first installment are back to TF2 again. I hope they'll continue what they want to do.

As for Kruger, if he's a huge fan of TF, I think there is nothing to worry about. (Am I overly optimistic?) ;)

No, you are not and I have confidence in the next movie myself.
:cool:

[yoco]

WOW, that is realy great news. I hope they will make even better then the first one :D

[fu2kimus_prime]

I'm not familiar with Kruger's work, so I'll keep an open mind. Glad Orci, and Kurtzman are returning though, as I was more than happy with their work on the first film.

[Devastator]

This will be a way better movie.

Now if only they get rid of Megan Fox....

[yoco]

Dude, you don't like Fox? :confused: Why is that?

[sora]

No, you are not and I have confidence in the next movie myself.:cool:

Glad you think so. :)
This movie really made me feel happy. So, the words I'll say in 2009 is just "Welcome back!".

[LadiesMan217]

I PM'ed Roberto Orci on Don's board, asking him if he could perhaps come to post here because me (and many others perhaps) don't really like to be around the whiners on that board and still like to know how the writing process goes. He said he would do that, so we'll see if he comes here.

[devonnewberry]

I PM'ed Roberto Orci on Don's board, asking him if he could perhaps come to post here because me (and many others perhaps) don't really like to be around the whiners on that board and still like to know how the writing process goes. He said he would do that, so we'll see if he comes here.


Oh man that's way cool. I think the writing duo of Kurtzman/Orci is awesome and I'm glad their back on this project. I heard Ehren Kruger isn't a very good writer, but we'll see.

I wonder how Bay is gonna top the 15 action pieces in TF2. I hope he doesn't just make MORE action pieces, but makes BETTER action pieces. "Quality over Quantity" works here.

[xAgonyxScenex]

I PM'ed Roberto Orci on Don's board, asking him if he could perhaps come to post here because me (and many others perhaps) don't really like to be around the whiners on that board and still like to know how the writing process goes. He said he would do that, so we'll see if he comes here.

biggest reason im not over there...it's a giant 'baby fest'

[sora]

I like it here because this place is peaceful. I wish Orci would like it too. :)

[bliss81]

I PM'ed Roberto Orci on Don's board, asking him if he could perhaps come to post here because me (and many others perhaps) don't really like to be around the whiners on that board and still like to know how the writing process goes. He said he would do that, so we'll see if he comes here.


nah we're not whiners, we just have better ideas than those who regularly post here.
here, you are too afraid to challenge bay's ideas. there, we are fearless.
furthermore, nelson already acknowledges that bay doesn't take fan opinion into account when making decisions.
so why would orci come here for discussing the movie, if those who post here already accept that bay doesn't listen to them? at least at don's board, you have a wider variety of opinions of the direction the movie should go.
at first i used to post here b/c i thought bay read the comments and opinions we had about the direction of the first film. but after realizing (via nelson) that he doesn't even consider our opinion in his decisions, I just come here to see what is new with the production now. that's about it.
don, orci and tom listen to the fans. even if they don't use all our ideas, they at least listen and let us feel as though we have input. that is why i post at don's forum.
anyway, bay did do well with the movie in an entertainment perspective, so hopefully the 2nd will be able to surpass the bar the first one set up. i'm a fan of bay's movies b/c i'm a fan of transformers.

[Galvatron]

nah we're not whiners, we just have better ideas than those who regularly post here.
here, you are too afraid to challenge bay's ideas. there, we are fearless.

I strongly disagree with that one, people are totally free to express their differences with Bay or the movie here too without the fear of being instantly banned.

[bliss81]

I strongly disagree with that one, people are totally free to express their differences with Bay or the movie here too without the fear of being instantly banned.


there is a fine line btw posting opinions and whining like a douche. there is no fear there of being instantly banned. people are banned from don's board when they act like douches.
i see the merits of this board. don't get me wrong. its a good place to discuss bay's movies. however, why post something that is in hope of being heard by bay if he won't listen to you anyway? that is the point i'm trying to get at. at murphy's board, the prime purpose was to discuss don's movies AND for fans to have a voice.
http://au.movies.ign.com/articles/475/475640p1.html
here that is not the purpose.

[bliss81]

anyway, back to topic. glad to see orci and kurtzman back on board. i appreciated the dialogue of the first movie. not to happy about the plot, but it could have been far worse. looking forward to the sequel as the first was a decent foundation to move on from. i'm still curious about Ehren Kruger. what does he bring to the plate besides his knowledge of the transformers mythos? any information about him?

[LadiesMan217]

nah we're not whiners, we just have better ideas than those who regularly post here.
here, you are too afraid to challenge bay's ideas. there, we are fearless.
furthermore, nelson already acknowledges that bay doesn't take fan opinion into account when making decisions.
so why would orci come here for discussing the movie, if those who post here already accept that bay doesn't listen to them? at least at don's board, you have a wider variety of opinions of the direction the movie should go.
at first i used to post here b/c i thought bay read the comments and opinions we had about the direction of the first film. but after realizing (via nelson) that he doesn't even consider our opinion in his decisions, I just come here to see what is new with the production now. that's about it.
don, orci and tom listen to the fans. even if they don't use all our ideas, they at least listen and let us feel as though we have input. that is why i post at don's forum.

I wasn't calling everyone there a whiner, but they're definitely people there who disliked the first movie, don't even know what movies Don Murphy has produced in the past and still post there. What's the point with that? That's a message board of a movie producer not transformersG1lovers.com. For me, who is a Bay-fan first and foremost has no reason to post there, and that's the thing I explained to Roberto Orci that us guys here would like to know how the writing process goes from time to time. Also, Bay is considered a douche by 90% of the board so that's one more reason for me to stay away. However, I found it funny that Bay is considered a egomanical douche while the man they're defending is a guy that after he went bonkers the other day, yelling "YOU'RE BLOCKED PSYCHO MONKEY" and "DON'T EVER TALK TO ME AGAIN! EVER!" to people left and right after the reportedly fake treatment leak just because nobody notified him.

[MitP]

However, I found it funny that Bay is considered a egomanical douche while the man they're defending is a guy that after he went bonkers the other day, yelling "YOU'RE BLOCKED PSYCHO MONKEY" and "DON'T EVER TALK TO ME AGAIN! EVER!" to people left and right after the reportedly fake treatment leak just because nobody notified him.

We all have that one critical flaw that will make us look like a hypocrite or a fool at some point in our lives, guaranteed. And that's okay. The real sin lies in refusing to acknowledge your own shortcomings, and that's the only way to separate yourself from the rest of the blowhards. In cyberspace where Ego is King, we can all do with a dose of humility.

[nelson]

nah we're not whiners, we just have better ideas than those who regularly post here.

Great way of telling people here how clueless they are.

Has it ever occured to you that maybe people here aren't obsessed with every little single TF detail and just want to see an entertaining movie?


here, you are too afraid to challenge bay's ideas. there, we are fearless.

We're not afraid of Mike. I voiced my dislikes various time. Here you're able to disagree politely and not insult everyone in the process. No one here has been banned for disagreeing with anyone.

But, people have been banned for being pompous and insulting assholes.


furthermore, nelson already acknowledges that bay doesn't take fan opinion into account when making decisions.

Uhm...no. Bay listens. The problem is that for you, listening and do as I say are the same things.

A movie should not be concieved and made by committee much less by fandom.



so why would orci come here for discussing the movie.

Maybe because he's never been invited, or doesn't see the need to do so as the DIRECTOR already post here?

[Galvatron]

there is a fine line btw posting opinions and whining like a douche. there is no fear there of being instantly banned. people are banned from don's board when they act like douches.
i see the merits of this board. don't get me wrong. its a good place to discuss bay's movies. however, why post something that is in hope of being heard by bay if he won't listen to you anyway? that is the point i'm trying to get at. at murphy's board, the prime purpose was to discuss don's movies AND for fans to have a voice.
http://au.movies.ign.com/articles/475/475640p1.html
here that is not the purpose.

We do have a voice here that does not mean that Bay or anyone else needs to take it into consideration as it's his movie, that is the point that most people here are trying to get across to you. Bay did also search the internet forums and listen to some things and concerns and ideas that the fan base did express, it's out there on the internet already. This is also not the Don Murphy and Michael Bay website, it's the Michael Bay website last time I checked. Your comments are inacurate to say the least.

[r-type]

nah we're not whiners, we just have better ideas than those who regularly post here.
I'm gonna pretend I didn't just read this, or maybe I'll just chalk it up to those having too much free time with a keyboard in one hand and their d**ks in the other.

If my sole purpose of being here was to win Bay's approval through my measley post count, then I think it's time to tap out of life. I'm here to shoot the s**t, talk movies with the fellow board peeps, as are a lot of others. Not compete with other boards on who has more free time to write, let alone post the same stuff on 4-5 different message boards.

[bliss81]

Great way of telling people here how clueless they are.

Has it ever occured to you that maybe people here aren't obsessed with every little single TF detail and just want to see an entertaining movie?



We're not afraid of Mike. I voiced my dislikes various time. Here you're able to disagree politely and not insult everyone in the process. No one here has been banned for disagreeing with anyone.

But, people have been banned for being pompous and insulting assholes.



Uhm...no. Bay listens. The problem is that for you, listening and do as I say are the same things.

A movie should not be concieved and made by committee much less by fandom.



Maybe because he's never been invited, or doesn't see the need to do so as the DIRECTOR already post here?

ugh...no...
i don't expect anything i say to be done...actually i dont expect anything i say to come to fruition..
basically, to my knowledge, bays board is meant to discuss his movies only. not as a research tool for those involved in the movie making process.
does bay actually get influenced by what we write here?
according you nelson, the answer is no.
which, now i plainly agree with. i don't expect that from bay.
i'm also not competing with other boards either. i didn't start this board calling out bit!!!!

I PM'ed Roberto Orci on Don's board, asking him if he could perhaps come to post here because me (and many others perhaps) don't really like to be around the whiners on that board and still like to know how the writing process goes. He said he would do that, so we'll see if he comes here.

all i'm saying is that the boards have different purposes!!!
so nelson, before you jump to conclusions, just read what i posted earlier carefullly.
don's board was originally created to receive fan input while making movies.
was that the same case here? b/c you seemed in the past to deny that.
i come here to this boards for information, where as i go to dons boards for debating about the direction certain movies are going. see the difference? b/c at don's board we have a hope that someone is gonna take our criticisms and at least think about them.
again, i want to reiterate myself, b/c some of you guys just don't listen also, i have nothing against bays boards. i just see it as a tool to get information b/c in the past nelson has told that bay does not consider fan input when making decisions. i know understand that and accept it.
i didn't not try to make this a board war, i just wanted to defend those who post there since ladiesman first called us out.

[bliss81]

We do have a voice here that does not mean that Bay or anyone else needs to take it into consideration as it's his movie, that is the point that most people here are trying to get across to you. Bay did also search the internet forums and listen to some things and concerns and ideas that the fan base did express, it's out there on the internet already. This is also not the Don Murphy and Michael Bay website, it's the Michael Bay website last time I checked. Your comments are inacurate to say the least.

i also believe that once myself. which was the original reason i came to this board. but if you recall last year, fans were rudely disregarded by comments made by both nelson and bay. i understand it is not a committee, however, my impression last year was that fans had an input in the movie through these forums. according to nelson, the fans did not. so i got angry at one point, but now i don't care. i've come to the understanding that bay does what HE WANTS. which is ok b/c he's the director right? maybe other forums like the official movie forum, are better means of getting a voice heard rather than this forum.

[bliss81]

I'm gonna pretend I didn't just read this, or maybe I'll just chalk it up to those having too much free time with a keyboard in one hand and their d**ks in the other.

If my sole purpose of being here was to win Bay's approval through my measley post count, then I think it's time to tap out of life. I'm here to shoot the s**t, talk movies with the fellow board peeps, as are a lot of others. Not compete with other boards on who has more free time to write, let alone post the same stuff on 4-5 different message boards.

dude i was replying to the whining comment by ladiesman.
winning bays approval is not what this board is about. that is exactly what i was trying to say. continue talking about the movies, i'm all for that. that is why i come here also. i don't come here to give my ideas so bay or others making the movies will listen to me.

[r-type]

dude i was replying to the whining comment by ladiesman.
winning bays approval is not what this board is about. that is exactly what i was trying to say. continue talking about the movies, i'm all for that. that is why i come here also. i don't come here to give my ideas so bay or others making the movies will listen to me. Mea culpa for being a bit brash, I made the mistake of reading the quote before the post. However, I ask that you not be naive as to believe that your retort wouldn't elicit such comments.

[bliss81]

Mea culpa for being a bit brash, I made the mistake of reading the quote before the post. However, I ask that you not be naive to the notion that your retort wouldn't elicit such comments.

true. so i apologize.
basically i just wanted to share with the rest of you that at don's board we were given the impression that fan input was going to be taken into account.
here i was given the impression the board was meant for information and discussion among the fans. see the distinction? that is all i have on the matter now.
apologize again for any comments i've offended you guys with.
don't get me wrong, i hope the writers come here to give us updates here as well. that is why i come here. for information about the movie making process.

[sora]

Hi, bliss81, I hope you won't get me wrong for my words.

IMO it makes sense for directors to give little heed to fans' inputs because fans' demands vary greatly. Maybe producers or writers would do some research, but if directors care about it too much, nothing would be working. We fans talk what we'd like to talk (politely), The director does what he wants to do. That's how it should be. Don's board is the producer's board, and this board is the director's. It is the difference.

Anyway, welcome to the board. :)

[Galvatron]

i also believe that once myself. which was the original reason i came to this board. but if you recall last year, fans were rudely disregarded by comments made by both nelson and bay. i understand it is not a committee, however, my impression last year was that fans had an input in the movie through these forums. according to nelson, the fans did not. so i got angry at one point, but now i don't care. i've come to the understanding that bay does what HE WANTS. which is ok b/c he's the director right? maybe other forums like the official movie forum, are better means of getting a voice heard rather than this forum.


Originally Posted by bliss81
nah we're not whiners, we just have better ideas than those who regularly post here.

With these two posts alone it seems more like you've come back bitter wanting to vent is all because your ideas were not put in the spotlight ?

If that's what you want then become a writer, a director then when everyone nitpicks your film then don't go crying on someone else's website.

As far as fans being rudely disregarded I can't speak to that as I just joined the old site around May of 2007 but I have to wonder what was said on both sides because I'm sure the "fans" you mentioned were just perfect angels as you seem to be implying ? I'm just not buying it! :rolleyes:

[bliss81]

Hi, bliss81, I hope you won't get me wrong for my words.

IMO it makes sense for directors to give little heed to fans' inputs because fans' demands vary greatly. Maybe producers or writers would do some research, but if directors care about it too much, nothing would be working. We fans talk what we'd like to talk (politely), The director does what he wants to do. That's how it should be. Don's board is the producer's board, and this board is the director's. It is the difference.

Anyway, welcome to the board. :)

i guess i overlooked that thanks...:rolleyes:
anyway more interaction w/ any of the filmmakers is a bonus.

[Grazer]

If Bay was to listen to the fans about what to put in this movie, it would never get made; given that not even the fans can agree on what should be in it. And which section of fans do you listen to? Bay knows how to make entertaining and successful films.

As for the writers, I'm glad Orci and Kurtzman are back. I thought they did a good job on the first movie. I've not heard of Kruger but I understand that he impressed Bay with his knowledge of Transformers so the combination of the 3 seems perfect :)

[Galvatron]

If Bay was to listen to the fans about what to put in this movie, it would never get made; given that not even the fans can agree on what should be in it. And which section of fans do you listen to? Bay knows how to make entertaining and successful films.

As for the writers, I'm glad Orci and Kurtzman are back. I thought they did a good job on the first movie. I've not heard of Kruger but I understand that he impressed Bay with his knowledge of Transformers so the combination of the 3 seems perfect :)

Oh my FREAKIN gosh! A damn person with some sense in their head for a change!

*extends hand in friendship* WELCOME to the forums!

:D

[BrettLee]

Oh man that's way cool. I think the writing duo of Kurtzman/Orci is awesome and I'm glad their back on this project. I heard Ehren Kruger isn't a very good writer, but we'll see.

I wonder how Bay is gonna top the 15 action pieces in TF2. I hope he doesn't just make MORE action pieces, but makes BETTER action pieces. "Quality over Quantity" works here.

well from a lot of what kurtzman and orci have said in interviews, Bay was very insistent on getting the characters set first, before any action (which is how the team likes to write. Get the story and the characters, figure out the action last). For example on "the island" when they turned in one of the their drafts (i think their first draft) Michael basically came back to them and said "stop trying to write what you think a Michael bay movie is". So from all iv heard up to this point, i really can’t see anybody on the team, wither it be the writers, Speilburgh or Bay letting anybody at any point along the way, get away with action that doesn’t fit organically into the story. I hope..lol

[bliss81]

Oh my FREAKIN gosh! A damn person with some sense in their head for a change!

*extends hand in friendship* WELCOME to the forums!

:D

dude, i realised you just don't understand. Orci himself has often said the fans are of great help. which is why i post any ideas on don's forum b/c orci sometimes goes there.
obviously i don't expect bay to listen to the fans because he doesn, and i understand it completely. however the writers DO listen. where in any of my posts does it say i expect bay to listen and consider fan input? no where. hence why this forum is not a place to post things of what we think this movie should be like because bay won't take it in. he's to busy in making other decisions about the movie. that is why fan input comes indirectly through the writers. i don't expect orci, kurtzman and kruger to take fan input like its the bible, but i do think they use fan input as a research tool. that is all i'm saying, so why do i not get a handshake? :mad:

[bliss81]

If Bay was to listen to the fans about what to put in this movie, it would never get made; given that not even the fans can agree on what should be in it. And which section of fans do you listen to? Bay knows how to make entertaining and successful films.

exactly. i agree with you about bay. however, i believe that some of the producers listen to the fans, i know many ILM artists ARE fans, and the writers are fans and are in dialogue with the fans. so fan input can be given through other means, not directly to bay.

do any of you honestly believe that if bay wrote the script and designed the robots themselves, we would actually have a transformers movie? because i don't. i think we would get a really entertaining robot movie nothing related to transformers.

[Grazer]

exactly. i agree with you about bay. however, i believe that some of the producers listen to the fans, i know many ILM artists ARE fans, and the writers are fans and are in dialogue with the fans. so fan input can be given through other means, not directly to bay.

do any of you honestly believe that if bay wrote the script and designed the robots themselves, we would actually have a transformers movie? because i don't. i think we would get a really entertaining robot movie nothing related to transformers. I understand what you are saying but ultimately its Bays film, its his neck on the line. He can listen to the fans, whether they be the producers, ILM, writers (and I think Bay does listen to ideas from these people) but at some stage Bay has to make the final decision based on what he thinks is right for the film. So yes, listen to the fans to get ideas but he cant allow them to make/drive the decisions


Oh my FREAKIN gosh! A damn person with some sense in their head for a change!

*extends hand in friendship* WELCOME to the forums!

:D Thank you :D

[bliss81]

I understand what you are saying but ultimately its Bays film, its his neck on the line. He can listen to the fans, whether they be the producers, ILM, writers (and I think Bay does listen to ideas from these people) but at some stage Bay has to make the final decision based on what he thinks is right for the film. So yes, listen to the fans to get ideas but he cant allow them to make/drive the decisions

Thank you :D

yeh..i never said he should allow them to make his decisions.
I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. he's the DIRECTOR. so he has the final say.
however, it is still a transformers movie, and the source material needs to be respected. does bay respect the source material? i'm sure he does to a certain degree.

[Grazer]

yeh..i never said he should allow them to make his decisions.
I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. he's the DIRECTOR. so he has the final say.
however, it is still a transformers movie, and the source material needs to be respected. does bay respect the source material? i'm sure he does to a certain degree. I didn't mean to suggest you think fans should make the decisions. It just seems that some fans who have ideas seem to think its their right to demand that they are in the film and if they are not, its not Transformers or Bay doesn't know what he's doing. Thats what I meant by the director having to go with what he feels is best.

As for the respect, I think Bay does respect the source material but at the same time, changes have to be made to propel it forward and bring it into the 21st century.

Just my opinion

[devonnewberry]

well from a lot of what kurtzman and orci have said in interviews, Bay was very insistent on getting the characters set first, before any action (which is how the team likes to write. Get the story and the characters, figure out the action last). For example on "the island" when they turned in one of the their drafts (i think their first draft) Michael basically came back to them and said "stop trying to write what you think a Michael bay movie is". So from all iv heard up to this point, i really can’t see anybody on the team, wither it be the writers, Speilburgh or Bay letting anybody at any point along the way, get away with action that doesn’t fit organically into the story. I hope..lol



On the only featurette on "The Island" DVD Michael said he told the writers to write "Action" for the actions scenes. Just one that one word. And Michael said "he'd fill in the rest."

I think that's awesome.

[xXRavenXx]

yeh..i never said he should allow them to make his decisions.
I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. he's the DIRECTOR. so he has the final say.
however, it is still a transformers movie, and the source material needs to be respected. does bay respect the source material? i'm sure he does to a certain degree.

Wow, I would like to remind you to please not skip your "meds" again. You do know that that the very cause you started arguing for in the first place you tarnished in the process.

Clearly if you (like you say) represent the common thinking of other threads and fans that means either everyone here (general word not literally everyone) is clueless, and shouldn't be here in the first place because we are passively afraid to voice opinion.

Stop hijacking the thread and go back to subject or I'll go and tell mommy. The process works like this: LISTEN, think, respond intelligently.

All I can say is give a man enough rope end...

This remind anyone of some of Rumble's posts.
(refer to nelsons comment about banning)


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The source material was also a toy line, a cartoon was just a by product for promotion, that's why Prime died in the film, It was said. Good thing China has some shitty paint and probably wont get a chance to make toys as fast and people might actually have to go with some original material. Let me guess you wish BB was a VW...?
(Wishes nelson didn't take off the kicking a dead horse icon) Man we're so gonna need that emot-icon...

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But, as for the writer I am a little discouraged, but I have to say I waited a while to go back and see the film to see what I could remember. I also read the script leak. I didn't remember to many moments that were dialog driven, just the big CGI shots. So if this is the goal to take the film to a darker realm there needs to be a 3rd member who is from the outside of this fan based action flick. More characterization. I'm thrilled with the treatment and it's promise, but discouraged about where this could end up. Then again I liked the first film, I just don't want (this is a shared sentiment for any sequel), "More of the same".

Well I do just not 1+2+3= box office success. There is no formula to good film making. Just as road signs give a cautionary warning all directors and writers can do is take the best advice and in the end the best script can be turned into shit if it doesn't have a good director. Thank God Bay can do that. (not make things look like shit, but has a Midas touch for B.O. Gold)

[bliss81]

Clearly if you (like you say) represent the common thinking of other threads and fans that means either everyone here (general word not literally everyone) is clueless, and shouldn't be here in the first place because we are passively afraid to voice opinion.

where did i say that? clearly it is you that needs to take the meds. here have some of mine.

[xXRavenXx]

was that the same case here? b/c you seemed in the past to deny that.
i come here to this boards for information, where as i go to dons boards for debating about the direction certain movies are going. see the difference? b/c at don's board we have a hope that someone is gonna take our criticisms and at least think about them.

Just figured the word we meant people had the same ideas or notated a commonality in thinking. Oops. Go easy out of everything someone says you find one sentence to nit pick. I guess I should assume you are alone in your principals then since I (as noted in your post) made an incorrect assumption. So either your alone or represent a mass. Either way for the love of God, back to topic or I'll break your crayons...:cool:

[bliss81]

Just figured the word we meant people had the same ideas or notated a commonality in thinking. Oops. Go easy out of everything someone says you find one sentence to nit pick. I guess I should assume you are alone in your principals then since I (as noted in your post) made an incorrect assumption. So either your alone or represent a mass. Either way for the love of God, back to topic or I'll break your crayons...:cool:

come break my crayons...whatever dude. your so tough and cool. thanks for deviating from topic also.
anyway, i'm glad the writers are back for the sequel for continuity purposes AND b/c they put in a lot of effort in talking with the fans.

[The Great]

Don't want to close this thread but, you guys need to chill. Raven don't respond with any type of comeback or slight toward Bliss and get back on topic or this thread will be closed also

[bliss81]

But, as for the writer I am a little discouraged, but I have to say I waited a while to go back and see the film to see what I could remember. I also read the script leak. I didn't remember to many moments that were dialog driven, just the big CGI shots. So if this is the goal to take the film to a darker realm there needs to be a 3rd member who is from the outside of this fan based action flick. More characterization. I'm thrilled with the treatment and it's promise, but discouraged about where this could end up. Then again I liked the first film, I just don't want (this is a shared sentiment for any sequel), "More of the same".

Well I do just not 1+2+3= box office success. There is no formula to good film making. Just as road signs give a cautionary warning all directors and writers can do is take the best advice and in the end the best script can be turned into shit if it doesn't have a good director. Thank God Bay can do that. (not make things look like shit, but has a Midas touch for B.O. Gold)

you do realise that the treatment (unless you actually have the treatment devised by kruger, orci and/or kurtzman) that the one leaked was not the treatment used for TF2.
apparently Kruger is a big fan also. he surprised goldner with his in depth knowledge of the TF mythos.

[autobot2007]

I thought MI 3 was a terrible piece and full of nonsense kurtz and orci were on that i think and Zorro, for screenplay which was alright i guess. These are personal views, and are not intended to offend the authors (freedom of speech). Kruger's only decent one is arlington rd in my opinion. The only recognition Ive had so far in writing is poetry under the International Poetry Association, I havent tried screenplays/scripts yet but I really do feel alot of these people are overrated, i hope they dont break tf2!.

its all going to be more about money and less about quality and when some people have the money they care less about the quality of work, unless you can afford to create it yourself. Directors sometimes can be held on a leash with agreements from production studios, If shit sells Hollywood will continue to sell it, at the end of they day it will all boil down to Money and if people constantly want to watch tom cruise go to the supermarket. The sequel is a good opportunity for bay to demonstrate a directing ability more character-progress based and silence alot of critics that hound him on a lack of it....