Dodge Tomahawk Question.

[uraydo]

I want to put a Doge Tomahawk in my next project but I can find no image or video of the bike in a turn. I need this to better understand the suspension. I could probably do without, but why do without, when you can do with!


anyone want to help me out with this?

[The Great]

http://autos.msn.com/as/autoshow2003/photos/l_broadband_Dodge_Tomahawk.jpg

[The Great]

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-def/Dodge-Tomahawk-Speed-1024x768.jpg

[The Great]

http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Motorcycles/Dodge-Tomahawk-009.jpg

[The Great]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/246625/tomahawk/
sup @ you not knowing how to use google

[uraydo]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/246625/tomahawk/
sup @ you not knowing how to use google

I appreciate your enthusiastic posts but the images I am looking for are of the bike IN A TURN or TURNING. I have seen all these images save the Ripley's Believe it or Not video. It seems every image out there, is of the bike driving in a straight line, or sitting still. I NEED TO SEE THIS PUPPY LEAN.

[The Great]

I appreciate your enthusiastic posts but the images I am looking for are of the bike IN A TURN or TURNING. I have seen all these images save the Ripley's Believe it or Not video. It seems every image out there, is of the bike driving in a straight line, or sitting still. I NEED TO SEE THIS PUPPY LEAN.
Probably because it is to cumbersome. if it could turn with ease it might have been in limited production and you would have seen more of it.

[uraydo]

I always thought it was because it was so powerful and expense that when you did see someone drive it, it was always with kid gloves.


I also thought that it didn't go into production for the shear silliness of it.... which is why I want to use it...... to put a rodeo clown on it....fighting a minotaur.

[guitarded]

The tomahawk features independent suspension, and is stated to be able to turn, as in leaning into corners. The left and right wheels shift /offset height to allow turning. It would be more stable and have more traction than a normal bike. THere are no pics or videos, cause nobody has the cojones to try it;)

Here's another 4 wheel bike...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/superbike/yamaha-tesseract-hybrid-motorcycle-for-superheroesbadassesusno-307966.php

[The Great]

I always thought it was because it was so powerful and expense that when you did see someone drive it, it was always with kid gloves.


I also thought that it didn't go into production for the shear silliness of it.... which is why I want to use it...... to put a rodeo clown on it....fighting a minotaur.
I don't think it can take turns ury to be honest with you. never once have i seen a video of that thing turning and the ones i have seen people don't even try to turn the wheel

[uraydo]

The tomahawk features independent suspension, and is stated to be able to turn, as in leaning into corners. The left and right wheels shift /offset height to allow turning. It would be more stable and have more traction than a normal bike. THere are no pics or videos, cause nobody has the cojones to try it;)

Here's another 4 wheel bike...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/superbike/yamaha-tesseract-hybrid-motorcycle-for-superheroesbadassesusno-307966.php

thanks for the info, but that much I knew...... I still want to see it though.


as for the pic you showed, that looks sweet, but I kneed something a little more classic looking for what I am doing. I just can't see a rodeo clown riding that thing like I can a Tomahawk.... still it may have other applications down the road.

[The Great]

thanks for the info, but that much I knew...... I still want to see it though.


as for the pic you showed, that looks sweet, but I kneed something a little more classic looking for what I am doing. I just can't see a rodeo clown riding that thing like I can a Tomahawk.... still it may have other applications down the road.
go with a harley or this http://www.biker.net/vmax/NewVmax.jpg

[uraydo]

go with a harley
not silly enough.

[The Great]

http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/070125001.4.jpg
not silly enough.

[uraydo]

go with a harley or this http://www.biker.net/vmax/NewVmax.jpgwhat the hell is that?

[The Great]

what the hell is that?
yamaha vmax

[uraydo]

http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/070125001.4.jpg
it's silly enough, but a little too awkward.

[guitarded]

Just simulate the tomahawk in a lean stance. You already know the wheels will offset. Can you not render it?


Btw, V-max's are awesome....luvin the intake design :cool:

[uraydo]

Just simulate the tomahawk in a lean stance. You already know the wheels will offset. Can you not render it?


Btw, V-max's are awesome....luvin the intake design :cool:
like I said in my first post. I can do without, but why do without, when you can do with.

[r-type]

That thing cannot take turns. It was a one-off concept designed for the sake of saying they could wedge a viper engine in between your legs, that's it. I've only seen footage of it in a straightaway. (which is what I think it was intended for even as a concept)

If you notice even with that Boss Hoss that theGreat posted, the bike design has the traditional "fork" in the front.

If you are looking for cool bikes for ideas. May I suggest some from a company whose bikes I've really been into, called Confederate Motorcycles.

The Wraith
http://www.redline.co.za/pics/Wraith.jpg

and

The Renovatio Concept
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/features/122_0610_03_z+confederate_collapse+renovatio_desig n.jpg

[uraydo]

That thing cannot take turns. It was a one-off concept designed for the sake of saying they could wedge a viper engine in between your legs, that's it. I've only seen footage of it in a straightaway. (which is what I think it was intended for even as a concept)

If you notice even with that Boss Hoss that theGreat posted, the bike design has the traditional "fork" in the front.

If you are looking for cool bikes for ideas. May I suggest some from a company whose bikes I've really been into, called Confederate Motorcycles.

The Wraith
http://www.redline.co.za/pics/Wraith.jpg

and

The Renovatio Concept
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/features/122_0610_03_z+confederate_collapse+renovatio_desig n.jpg
the first one actually fits the bill quite well. I'm looking for something retro like that. but it also has to be a beast. something I can put a saddle horn on and drag a minotaur around with.

I'm going to bring these pics in on Tuesday and see what the class things. any other suggestions are welcome.


Oh, and I kinda guessed the tomahawk couldn't take a turn well, but that damn look gets me every time. plus this is going to be a fantasy pic, so anything I say goes. but I'm totally open for suggestions.

[The Great]

the first one actually fits the bill quite well. I'm looking for something retro like that. but it also has to be a beast. something I can put a saddle horn on and drag a minotaur around with.

I'm going to bring these pics in on Tuesday and see what the class things. any other suggestions are welcome.


Oh, and I kinda guessed the tomahawk couldn't take a turn well, but that damn look gets me every time. plus this is going to be a fantasy pic, so anything I say goes. but I'm totally open for suggestions.ethen don't limit yourself to others creativity. Just use the tomahawk as a base and do the rest yourself.

[uraydo]

ethen don't limit yourself to others creativity. Just use the tomahawk as a base and do the rest yourself.
we have to use photo reference... I don't know how much I can put a spin on things... I don't even know if he'll let me put a saddle horn on a bike.... I don't know if he'll let me draw a minotaur for that matter. :eek:


as for asking for suggestion, I'm don't need them but I was curious what others would think to be the perfect bike and I'm always open to suggestions.

[guitarded]

....about the steering on the Tomahawk...

taken from wikipedia...

quote

"STEERING: Dual hub center type steering. Steering Linkage: Rocker arm and push/pull rod with roller bearings. Polished billet aluminum steering yoke with turned aluminum grips and billet levers Steering Lock: 20 degrees, left and right Lean Angle: 45 degrees, left and right"

I think nobody has tried it cause nobody wants to drop a $500,000 bike;)

I still say Bay should use it in a TF movie. If no stuntman dare drive the beast, then just render the damn thing

[guitarded]

we have to use photo reference... I don't know how much I can put a spin on things... I don't even know if he'll let me put a saddle horn on a bike.... I don't know if he'll let me draw a minotaur for that matter. :eek:

I've no Idea what you're doing.....something for school maybe?

anyhow...why not photo refference another bike that has some similar features, and transpose some of the Tomohawk parts onto it.

I'm with "The great" , use your imagination

[Z28 Autobot]

about 2:40 in..you can see a demonstration of what it could do turning..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=geY0Mx_iQp0&feature=related

[uraydo]

about 2:40 in..you can see a demonstration of what it could do turning..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=geY0Mx_iQp0&feature=related


yeah, I've seen that video. at the very least it showed the headlights are attached to the wheels and how the intake works.... even thought, it's not English, I think it is the best video out there.

thanks for the link:)

[Z28 Autobot]

how bout this one man

at 2:50 this is why you don't see the bike turn..this is a kit bike but still its not far off from the actual design from what I can see..

basically what they did was take a cars turning dynamics and put the wheels on the inside..


at 2:50 you can see the problem..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9FupI2GCVi4&feature=related

[guitarded]

LOL...the second video is just a "Pocket bike" copy...............Far from the real thing. For a full grown man, a pocket bike is hard to steer at low speeds.
It's ridiculous to try and compare the two.

[uraydo]

how bout this one man

at 2:50 this is why you don't see the bike turn..this is a kit bike but still its not far off from the actual design from what I can see..

basically what they did was take a cars turning dynamics and put the wheels on the inside..


at 2:50 you can see the problem..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9FupI2GCVi4&feature=related

I wonder if the real thing has the same problem. in the first video (even though I don't understand the words) the suspention is said to do the opposite of that video. ( I read it in his body language.) also that was a low spead turn. in high speed turns on a bike, the shift weight more than actually turn the bike.


another good video, even though I must question the mechanics of it.

[uraydo]

this bike sucks more than I thought it did. the front finder is the gas tank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r26M066UbLg&NR=1

its at the end.

[Z28 Autobot]

LOL...the second video is just a "Pocket bike" copy...............Far from the real thing. For a full grown man, a pocket bike is hard to steer at low speeds.
It's ridiculous to try and compare the two.


Then why do we never see the bike turn??? Not so rediculous now is it??
Maybe the same facts are present in that bike and the Tomahawk..
I think the kit bike shows enough of why it was never actually put into limited high end production..
In order to turn the bike you need to lean into it..with a cars geomenty of 4 wheels its harder to do with the set up like that..no real way for the inner wheel to let the bike lower itself and the outer wheel to compinsate in the way they move ..one of those looks good on paper and might work..but it does not.. high speed or not the wheels do not let the bike turn in a manner that it would be enough..

[uraydo]

guys I can't thank you enough. this really helping me out, and giving me stuff to think about, i would not normally consider. It probably doesn't matter if I get the mechanics right in the, but that kinda stuff matters to me.

[Z28 Autobot]

what are you doing?? PM me if you want just wondering :D

[uraydo]

what are you doing?? PM me if you want just wondering :D

oh we need 6 thumbnails and a rough depicting ideas for our next project. so far, my favorite and only idea is to have two rodeo clowns fighting a minotaur. one rodeo clown is in the close middle ground on a motorcycle. I need something with beef and a retro feel. (to me the tomahawk is perfect).... I'm also going to put a saddle horn on the bike to help the clown wrangle the minotaur.

[guitarded]

I really doubt that the pocket bike has everything the real thing does...lol. In the first vid, you can see the real bike has an awesome suspension to handle the power. When the pilot revs the engine, the bike squats down and forward a little to keep the bike on the ground.

Also, the bike is 1200 lbs for a reason.....

next point...

The steering locks at 20 degrees, and with it's linkage would turn like a car at low speeds. The wheels shift at different angles. The pocket bike version didn't have that setup....You could see the wheels come off the ground in his turn


anyhow...I'm done arguing :rolleyes:

[r-type]

This maybe too late, but it didn't dawn on me that you could use a mixture of 75% Tomahawk(from the handlebars to the rear) and 25% Batpod (similar, single-wheeled front setup)

Where the Batpod and Batmobile (from the new movie) use a massive single tire suspended on a control arm on one side. Just a thought that would retain a beast-styled look to your project. I think the Batpod as a whole (the frame) is too light for what you're asking. But something similar on the front combined with the rear of the Tomahawk would look mean.

http://asapblogs.typepad.com/theslug/images/061907batpod1.jpg

[uraydo]

This maybe too late, but it didn't dawn on me that you could use a mixture of 75% Tomahawk(from the handlebars to the rear) and 25% Batpod (similar, single-wheeled front setup)

Where the Batpod and Batmobile (from the new movie) use a massive single tire suspended on a control arm on one side. Just a thought that would retain a beast-styled look to your project. I think the Batpod as a whole (the frame) is too light for what you're asking. But something similar on the front combined with the rear of the Tomahawk would look mean.

http://asapblogs.typepad.com/theslug/images/061907batpod1.jpg
you know, I don't really agree with the mechanics of the batpod.

[woohoojestersdead]

I seen it on horsepower tv or something like that,It has indepensent suspension on all four tires when turning left,the tires in front go up on one side and the other side goes down to contact the road.Like Guitarded stated.:D

[r-type]

you know, I don't really agree with the mechanics of the batpod.
What does that mean? You don't agree because you think the mechanics of the bike don't work? That we have to suspend our brains too much to think that it's driveable? Or because you simply don't like the bike?

I think I will be with you when I see it make a turn. If it will be shown making a turn at all in the movie. (I've only seen spy footage of it being driven straight)
But the Tumbler's wheel setup is able to make turns just fine.

What if your design just removes one control arm from the Tomahawk's front setup?

How bout a hubless wheel design incorporated in? Now I'm just spitballin' though.

http://www.rideontv.com/episodes/2003Season/CRN8009/images/8009.49.jpg

[guitarded]

That biker buildoff series was a cool show. I remember when the hubless wheel design was introduced.........SOme wicked ideas came out of those guys

[uraydo]

What does that mean? You don't agree because you think the mechanics of the bike don't work? That we have to suspend our brains too much to think that it's driveable? Or because you simply don't like the bike?

I think I will be with you when I see it make a turn. If it will be shown making a turn at all in the movie. (I've only seen spy footage of it being driven straight)
But the Tumbler's wheel setup is able to make turns just fine.

What if your design just removes one control arm from the Tomahawk's front setup?

How bout a hubless wheel design incorporated in? Now I'm just spitballin' though.

http://www.rideontv.com/episodes/2003Season/CRN8009/images/8009.49.jpg

well, I don't see the advantage of a motorcycle having such a flat tire. Also I don't see an advantage in the in the suspension set up. that and the bike looks ugly as dirt.


as for the hub less wheel, although it looks totally bad ass, I don't see a reason to incorporate it in.... or even if I could.